Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
John Hasler writes: I wrote: Would it be useful to offer an official minimal implementation intended for embedded systems so that these people won't feel the need to code their own? Maybe add minimal NTP support to Busybox? Brian Inglis writes: AIUI an updated v4 sntp client will be

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: I recommend providing motivation for the undesired clients to stop using the server, by the server sending a regular response indicating that it is not synchronised or replying in some other way

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Mon, Jul 07, 2014 at 07:04:01PM +0200, Jan Ceuleers wrote: I'm not sure why sending the requester's timestamp back to him is better than an immutable timestamp. The effect of the former is slow drift, the effect of the latter is (I suspect) no lock at all due to the lack of passage of

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: I recommend providing motivation for the undesired clients to stop using the server, by the server sending a regular response indicating that it is not synchronised or replying in

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Jason Rabel
There are two obvious ways to go for an embedded client. One way would be to use the sntp code as the base. The other would be to either use the current NTP codebase and use the configure options to disable all the refclocks and anything else you didn't want, or wait until we're done with

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Paul wrote: One normally uses a so-called GPIO pin to read PPS on systems that lack a DCD line or a parallel port. E.g. BeagleBone or Raspberry Pi. Obviously. A lot of people however, by an embedded system, hook op a GPS receiver, find that PPS doesn't work and then just give up.

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Jason Rabel
I'd have to look this up but think board using Elan 486 used the on chip high speed timer to timestamp the pps input at a gpio port along with a custom ntpd on FreeBSD to obtain sub us offset. You mean something like this? *grin* http://www.rabel.org/pics/Net4501-2.jpg Yes, that is one of

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 07/08/2014 12:11 PM, Jason Rabel wrote: There are two obvious ways to go for an embedded client. One way would be to use the sntp code as the base. The other would be to either use the current NTP codebase and use the configure options to disable all the refclocks and anything else you

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread David Taylor
On 08/07/2014 11:01, Rob van der Putten wrote: Hi there Paul wrote: One normally uses a so-called GPIO pin to read PPS on systems that lack a DCD line or a parallel port. E.g. BeagleBone or Raspberry Pi. Obviously. A lot of people however, by an embedded system, hook op a GPS receiver,

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: I recommend providing motivation for the undesired clients to stop using the server, by the server sending a regular response indicating that it

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Paul
On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:38 PM, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: I'd have to look this up but think board using Elan 486 used the on chip high speed timer to timestamp the pps input at a gpio port along with a custom ntpd on FreeBSD to obtain sub us offset. Perhaps you're referring to

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Paul
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: A lot of people however, by an embedded system, hook op a GPS receiver, find that PPS doesn't work and then just give up. That's appropriate. If you don't know what you're doing and choose not to do the work to learn then

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread John Hasler
Jason Rabel writes: I do not know if this is the case with NTP, but quite often it takes considerable hacking of sources to get code to compile on non-x86 embedded hardware (i.e. ARM MIPS)... It would probably help boost usage if someone was assuring NTP sources compile on those platforms

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread David Lord
Paul wrote: On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 4:38 PM, David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: I'd have to look this up but think board using Elan 486 used the on chip high speed timer to timestamp the pps input at a gpio port along with a custom ntpd on FreeBSD to obtain sub us offset. Perhaps you're

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread David Taylor
On 08/07/2014 14:37, Paul wrote: [] People looking for inexpensive, low overhead NTP appliances should be supporting Partially Stapled's Laureline development. I would have supported that, partially because I like the chap what he does, but their server didn't support any of the standard NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

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Jason Rabel wrote: I do not know if this is the case with NTP, but quite often it takes considerable hacking of sources to get code to compile on non-x86 embedded hardware (i.e. ARM MIPS) ... It would probably help boost usage if someone was assuring NTP sources compile on those

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Paul
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:00 PM, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: I would have supported that, partially because I like the chap what he does, but their server didn't support any of the standard NTP management commands last time I looked I did talk to him about

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
Jason Rabel writes: There are two obvious ways to go for an embedded client. One way would be to use the sntp code as the base. The other would be to either use the current NTP codebase and use the configure options to disable all the refclocks and anything else you didn't want, or

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread mike cook
I bought one of these to see what it could do and wrote a review on the Tindie site. One of the issues I raised was the volume and ad hoc format of stats messages he puts out on port 514 for syslog . I just updated that review with info on a log message filter I wrote, which makes loopstats