I'm a recent subscriber to the list. I was very impressed by the
quality of people subscribing to the list, including the authors
of all the books on R thateither I own or are present in my local
uni library. However, I was astonished by the volume of messages.
I have set up a folder for R
: Marwan Khawaja [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2004 20:41
To: Robert Brown FM CEFAS; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
Well, if you do not like the way some people answer queries,
why not just delete
the reply without reading
Hello,
Liaw, Andy schrieb:
Apologies to those who are tired of these rather off-topic discussions.
I'll try to be brief.
I will toss in my perspective, instead of speaking for others. To me, it's
not how basic the questions are, but how they are being asked. It's been
pointed out by several
and the others can just ignore
them, but accept their utility.
-Original Message-
From: Greer, Braden (NIH/NCI) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 December 2004 17:05
To: Robert Brown FM CEFAS
Subject: RE: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
Thanks for your challenge, Robert
A brief note from someone who has rejoined the list after a year or so. I
notice that it is more busy that it was - about 50 messages a day. This
is not surprising - R has essentially taken over from many other packages
for statistical computing these days and has a massive user base. It is
one
- Original Message -
From: Marwan Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Robert Brown FM CEFAS' [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
Well, if you do not like the way some people answer queries, why
On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 11:19, John Logsdon wrote:
There are three ways of tackling this as far as I see:
First would be to make the list a Reply to Sender so that most of us don't
see the replies. This would keep the traffic down and if any topic was of
interest to another member, s/he could
- Original Message -
From: Marwan Khawaja [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Robert Brown FM CEFAS' [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
Well, if you do not like the way some people answer queries, why not just
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 21:52 -0500, Duncan Murdoch wrote:
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:55:53 +0100, Carlos Javier Gil Bellosta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over the years, while learning C, Java or Python, I have found very
useful a few IRC channels on those languages where one could get (and
On Wednesday 01 Dec 2004 4:46 pm, Robert Brown FM CEFAS wrote:
Understandable but not a recipe to encourage the use of R by other than
experts. The R community needs to decide of they really only want expert
statisticians users and make this clear if it is the case. Alternatively
if they are
Maybe it would be helpful to think of R-help as something more than
the Oracle of Delphi. Questions, ideally, should be framed in such a
way that they might lead to improvements in R: extensions of the code
or, more frequently clarifications or extensions of the documentation.
Indeed the
Although I agree that sometimes a response to a question seems rude, and
some degree of arrogance asserts itself from time to time (actually appears
to cycle), I don't see what in the nature of the commercial S environment
rectifies this problem. I've been using S since the late 80's, R for less
koenker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 1 décembre 2004 12:26
To: James Foadi
Cc: Robert Brown FM CEFAS; R mailing list
Subject: Re: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
Maybe it would be helpful to think of R-help as something more than the
Oracle of Delphi. Questions, ideally, should
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Robert Brown FM CEFAS wrote:
I have been following the discussions on 'Reasons not to answer very
basic questions in a straightforward way' with interest as someone who
is also new to R and has had similar experiences. As such it with
sadness that I note that most seem to
On 1 Dec 2004, at 19:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been a member for only a few days but I find the tone of some
responses are inappropriate for a list dubbing itself a help list. I
also
completely understand that traffic needs to be kept at a modest level
to
keep advanced users
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:46:07 -, Robert Brown FM CEFAS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
In the end my experience of r help is that you get what you pay for.
I think this statement is very true, but not necessarily in the way
you meant it. R and R-help are free in the open source sense, and
free in
number.of.years.using.R * runif(1)
[1] 1.064863
I waited this many hours before responding:)
First, let me say thank you very much to the R team for ...the software
...the help-list ...other intangibles. I am a relatively new R user and I
am struggling in my own way to learn R. I follow the
Baskin, Robert wrote:
number.of.years.using.R * runif(1)
[1] 1.064863
snip
After a lot of rambling, my main concerns are:
* learning good R programming techniques
Apart from the free documentation at www.r-project.org and
this list, the following books have been very helpful for
: Re: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
On 1 Dec 2004, at 19:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been a member for only a few days but I find the
tone of some
responses are inappropriate for a list dubbing itself a
help list. I
also completely understand that traffic needs
Experienced R users don't seem to understand how difficult the program can be
to new users. Responding that the questioner should read the 'Introduction
to R' or a similar document is like answering a question for directions to
one's house with
'Buy a map'.
from the posting guide:
Good
I'm also an R beginner. I have asked stupid questions, and received
RTFM replies. I believe such replies are _GREAT_, as long as they
include a brief reference to what to read, and where. (In some cases
searches don't work unless you happen to use the 'right' keywords,
and in other cases it may be
Here we are facing two problems:
1) Traffic at the r-help list should be kept at a reasonable level lest
it becomes completely unmanageable and un-r-helpful.
2) People will continue to misread, overlook or disregard the manuals
and come up with questions that many others will consider silly.
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:55:53 +0100, Carlos Javier Gil Bellosta
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Over the years, while learning C, Java or Python, I have found very
useful a few IRC channels on those languages where one could get (and
provide!!) peer-to-peer support. Should a rather informal, open and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have been a member for only a few days but I find the tone of some
responses are inappropriate for a list dubbing itself a help list.
We have experts giving hours of their time every day to be helpful
FOR *NOTHING* (no money, no honours, just the reward
-Original Message-
From: Richard A. O'Keefe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 11:50 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [R] Protocol for answering basic questions
... As for arbitrary thresholds like 2 years, I have been using R since
1996 or 1997, and I would still
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