Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

And how would that relevant? > >Looks like they do better than us in some aspects. > > > >> >> > Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe >> > the >> main branch of a repository for example. >> >> Github is some sort of national language institute, with a

Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

Looks like they do better than us in some aspects. On Friday, November 20, 2020, Marc Roos wrote: > > > Remember that github stopped using the term "master" to describe the > main branch of a repository for example. > > Github is some sort of national language institute, with a board of >

Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 23:27:29 +0100 Heinz Tuechler wrote: > One may remember that people who might feel offended by "Indian Red" > (Native Americans) make up less than 0.5 percent of all "Indians". > It is hardly the fault of the people of India that Native Americans > were called Indians by an

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On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:35:41 -0900 Lainey Gallenberg wrote: Lainey, Assumptions are always fraught. Your assumption about the "meaning" of Indian Red is simply wrong. Indian red is named for a lateritic soil in India. It isn't racist, and I have American Indian friends who have expressed

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> Surely these colors can be changed > to something less offensive- my suggestion is "blush." > How can I find out who to contact about making this happen? Yes, they can. blush <- "#CD5C5C" mycols <- function () { #your code here... I note that: (1) Changing existing code (esp in base

Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

inline - David Wright wrote on 19.11.2020 12:39: Appropriation of Indian Red as 'Chestnut' (or other alternative) will be viewed by some as 'making appropriate' the label for a colour, and no doubt by other groups as cultural theft by excising reference to its origin. Seems the best option is

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Appropriation of Indian Red as 'Chestnut' (or other alternative) will be viewed by some as 'making appropriate' the label for a colour, and no doubt by other groups as cultural theft by excising reference to its origin. Seems the best option is to recognise the actual etymology carries no

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And then there is also the issue of some people seeing it offensive and others not seeing it offensive (and both camps are in the minority group).  Case inpoint is look at the term being used for self-identification with California Native American groups List of Federally-Recognized Tribes in

Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

If the word Indian refers to India, the place of origin for the color, then referring to it by this name gives an acknowledgement to this fact and I would have assumed such acknowledgement is a positive thing. Bernard Sent from my iPhone so please excuse the spelling!" > On Nov 17, 2020, at

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I would not be optimistic about a change - the naming scheme is a community standard, and the community is VERY large; this scheme is employed in thousands of software assets. Ultimately it goes back to X11 color naming in the eighties. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X11_color_names for

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Might it be appropriate to raise that question on the Talk page associated with the Wikipedia article on "Indian red (color)": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) Many Wikimedian are generally sympathetic to discussions of political correctness and similar topics.

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What about just amputating the final "n?" "Indian" might mean one of two things, but "India" is pretty distinct. On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:10 PM T. A. Milne via R-help wrote: > > Apologies to the list for continuing a thread which is clearly off-topic. > However, contacting the maintainer of

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Apologies to the list for continuing a thread which is clearly off-topic.  However, contacting the maintainer of an R package to complain about this specific color name seems ill-considered. 1)  The name "indian red" is a part of widely-used color schemes everywhere, not just in R.  It's the

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Cc: Lainey Gallenberg Subject: Re: [R] Inappropriate color name *** [EXTERNAL EMAIL] https://www.northland.edu/about/external-email;>What does this mean? *** > On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 > Jim Lemon wrote:

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seem to remember that's the correct way to make a formal nomination. Very best all, Chris - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Novosielski" > To: "r-help mailing list" > Cc: "Lainey Gallenberg" > Sent: Tuesday, 17 November, 2020 16:39:38 &

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> On Nov 16, 2020, at 5:46 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 > Jim Lemon wrote: > >> Hi Elaine, >> There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I >> don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or >> antidisestablishmentarianism.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100Jim Lemon wrote: > Hi Elaine,There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. > Idon't think that it does anything against racism, sexism > orantidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast

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Thanks, Rolf, I never saw the Letter to Chesterfield myself. Though I admit I run more to Swift's "A Modest Proposal" but then if you really want to get into being impolitic that's a stellar example! Mitch On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 5:46 PM Rolf Turner wrote: > > On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01

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> Whether or not you agree with my reason for doing so, my question was > how to contact the creator of the "colors" function. If you do not have advice > on this, please refrain from weighing in. ... which is precisely what Prof Gunter said. However, it is worth consulting the documentation

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:54:01 +1100 Jim Lemon wrote: > Hi Elaine, > There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I > don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or > antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon > to comfort or insult

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Lainey wishes to report a bug, so should see ?bug.report. Mail sent to R-core will be held for moderator approval, and relevant input or ultimate resolution would not be visible to the wider community; it is not a good place to report bugs. Martin Morgan On 11/16/20, 4:48 PM, "R-help on

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r-c...@r-project.org. would be the first stop. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 4:37 PM Lainey Gallenberg < laineygallenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Whether or not you agree with my reason for doing so, my question was how > to contact the creator of the "colors" function. If you do not have advice > on

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Whether or not you agree with my reason for doing so, my question was how to contact the creator of the "colors" function. If you do not have advice on this, please refrain from weighing in. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 12:03 PM Bert Gunter wrote: > WIth all due respect, can we end this thread NOW.

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WIth all due respect, can we end this thread NOW. This is not a forum to discuss social or political viewpoints. I consider it a disservice to make it one. Bert Gunter "The trouble with having an open mind is that people keep coming along and sticking things into it." -- Opus (aka Berkeley

Re: [R] Inappropriate color name

Hi Elaine, There seems to be a popular contest to discover offence everywhere. I don't think that it does anything against racism, sexism or antidisestablishmentarianism. Words are plucked from our vast lexicon to comfort or insult our fellows depending upon the intent of the user. It is the

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Hello, Thanks for the information. I am glad to learn the etymology of the word is not related to the offensive terms used in the US and Canada. Personally, I would prefer if R took Crayola's route and changed the name to avoid this mistake in the future, but perhaps this sentiment is not shared

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This is a standard colour palette name that has been in use for years. R did not invent it. It simply uses the standard names. Look up indianred on google. You will find Wikipedia entries, hex codes for the colour, etc. This has nothing to do with R, in my opinion. -- Kevin E. Thorpe Head of

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Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) for where the name comes from. To cite: "The name Indian red derives from the red laterite soil found in India

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According to Wikipedia -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_red_(color) -- "Indian red" refers to a pigment from India. The Wikipedia page reports that Crayola were concerned about the mistaken etymology so used the name "Chestnut" On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 1:39 PM Lainey Gallenberg <