Re: [R-SIG-Mac] GTK+ support (or rather lack thereof)
Thanks for the confirmation, Brian. I wasn't aware that Gtk+2 was abandoned for so long - then our 2.24.17 binaries are in fact quite reasonable and I'll go with that. Thanks, Simon > On 4/04/2020, at 9:11 PM, Prof Brian Ripley wrote: > > On 04/04/2020 05:15, Tom Elliott wrote: >> Simon, >>> Hence this is a call to the R community to see if anyone actually cares. >> I (and Chris Wild and quite a few of our mac users) care and would greatly >> appreciate working GTK+ CRAN packages! >> I don't have any knowledge re source etc, but just to remind you that the >> current RGtk2 package on CRAN for 3.3 doesn't work (or at least wasn't when >> I last tried): >> library(RGtk2) >> gtkHScaleNewWithRange(0, 5, 1) # segfault > > Did you really mean '3.3'? If so, R versions that old are long unsupported. > > FWIW, your example worked for me with 4.0.0 alpha and RGtk2 built from source > against Simon's (old) build of GTK+ 2.24.17. Have you tried that? RGtk2 > and some of the packages using it pass their checks but some (e.g. > gWidgets2RGtk2 and a few of those using it including MixSIAR, Ricetl, fit4NM, > plfMA) segfault. And this has been the case for several years. > > -- > Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk > Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] GTK+ support (or rather lack thereof)
If we have working 2.24.17 binaries, let's just use them. GTK+ was already super mature by that point; it's unlikely that many improvements/fixes were made. I'll start looking into RGtk3. Actually, I started that like 8 years ago. Michael On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 9:43 AM Kevin Ushey wrote: > For what it's worth, Homebrew and macports both have scripts for > installing GTK+ from sources, so presumedly those could be cribbed > into a standalone shell script for a build if desired: > > https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/gtk+.rb > https://github.com/macports/macports-ports/blob/master/gnome/gtk2/Portfile > > Would that be worth exploring? I'd be willing to try and put something > together if so. > > Also -- is the intention to stick with the latest patch release of the > GTK+ 2.x series, or try to upgrade to GTK+ 3.x? (I suspect that > GTK+-using packages would likely need to adapt to changes in GTK+ 3.x) > > Kevin > > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:03 PM Simon Urbanek > wrote: > > > > We have a fairly complete coverage of packages for R 4.0.0, but one > exception is GTK+ (and thus RGtk2 and its dependencies). It seems that GTK+ > has been abandoned several years ago, the documented macOS build doesn't > work and there are no released binaries. To make things worse, Gnome has > been switching from autoconf to custom build systems that are also broken > (quite amazing - the build fails with an error in the build system's > headers including Python headers...), so the path of building our own > release from scratch is also not realistic anymore (we used to build GTK+ > for X11 when it was still possible). > > > > Hence this is a call to the R community to see if anyone actually cares. > And if so, if there is any known source or path to macOS binaries (script > to build it is fine, too). Unlike regular rules, we would allow dynamic > linking as we have granted that exception to GTK+ before, but it has to be > compatible with the native system. As a last resort, we could also re-use > out GTK+ 2.24.17 binaries from Snow Leopard, but those are considerably > old, so I'd prefer not to do that. Comments are welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > Simon > > > > ___ > > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac > -- Michael Lawrence Senior Scientist, Bioinformatics and Computational Biology Genentech, A Member of the Roche Group Office +1 (650) 225-7760 micha...@gene.com Join Genentech on LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube [[alternative HTML version deleted]] ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] GTK+ support (or rather lack thereof)
On 04/04/2020 05:15, Tom Elliott wrote: Simon, Hence this is a call to the R community to see if anyone actually cares. I (and Chris Wild and quite a few of our mac users) care and would greatly appreciate working GTK+ CRAN packages! I don't have any knowledge re source etc, but just to remind you that the current RGtk2 package on CRAN for 3.3 doesn't work (or at least wasn't when I last tried): library(RGtk2) gtkHScaleNewWithRange(0, 5, 1) # segfault Did you really mean '3.3'? If so, R versions that old are long unsupported. FWIW, your example worked for me with 4.0.0 alpha and RGtk2 built from source against Simon's (old) build of GTK+ 2.24.17. Have you tried that? RGtk2 and some of the packages using it pass their checks but some (e.g. gWidgets2RGtk2 and a few of those using it including MixSIAR, Ricetl, fit4NM, plfMA) segfault. And this has been the case for several years. -- Brian D. Ripley, rip...@stats.ox.ac.uk Emeritus Professor of Applied Statistics, University of Oxford ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] GTK+ support (or rather lack thereof)
Simon, > Hence this is a call to the R community to see if anyone actually cares. I (and Chris Wild and quite a few of our mac users) care and would greatly appreciate working GTK+ CRAN packages! I don't have any knowledge re source etc, but just to remind you that the current RGtk2 package on CRAN for 3.3 doesn't work (or at least wasn't when I last tried): library(RGtk2) gtkHScaleNewWithRange(0, 5, 1) # segfault Cheers, - Tom ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
Re: [R-SIG-Mac] GTK+ support (or rather lack thereof)
For what it's worth, Homebrew and macports both have scripts for installing GTK+ from sources, so presumedly those could be cribbed into a standalone shell script for a build if desired: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/blob/master/Formula/gtk+.rb https://github.com/macports/macports-ports/blob/master/gnome/gtk2/Portfile Would that be worth exploring? I'd be willing to try and put something together if so. Also -- is the intention to stick with the latest patch release of the GTK+ 2.x series, or try to upgrade to GTK+ 3.x? (I suspect that GTK+-using packages would likely need to adapt to changes in GTK+ 3.x) Kevin On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 6:03 PM Simon Urbanek wrote: > > We have a fairly complete coverage of packages for R 4.0.0, but one exception > is GTK+ (and thus RGtk2 and its dependencies). It seems that GTK+ has been > abandoned several years ago, the documented macOS build doesn't work and > there are no released binaries. To make things worse, Gnome has been > switching from autoconf to custom build systems that are also broken (quite > amazing - the build fails with an error in the build system's headers > including Python headers...), so the path of building our own release from > scratch is also not realistic anymore (we used to build GTK+ for X11 when it > was still possible). > > Hence this is a call to the R community to see if anyone actually cares. And > if so, if there is any known source or path to macOS binaries (script to > build it is fine, too). Unlike regular rules, we would allow dynamic linking > as we have granted that exception to GTK+ before, but it has to be compatible > with the native system. As a last resort, we could also re-use out GTK+ > 2.24.17 binaries from Snow Leopard, but those are considerably old, so I'd > prefer not to do that. Comments are welcome. > > Thanks, > Simon > > ___ > R-SIG-Mac mailing list > R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac ___ R-SIG-Mac mailing list R-SIG-Mac@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-mac
