Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode
> If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL > news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not > email. Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups > available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the > moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable digests > via email, or disable posting. I did read that part. I just didn't understand what you mean. I still don't. NNTP is not involved here, with the Racket community, as far as I know. The one thing that is clear is that NNTP is one of the many different technologies which these forums can get fragmented across. That is a problem. NNTP was originally designed to manage bandwidth way back when transfer of plain text was an issue. Today, text is trivial next to Bit Torrent, Netflix and other things which use up orders of magnitude more bandwidth. I haven't used NNTP in more than a decade now so I don't know if there have been improvements but, from what I remember, there is no reason to use it today. I can't think of any advantage it has over any other technology at all. If it does, let me know. Sometimes it's good to take another look at an old technology which you thought was basically dead. It's been, what? about 20 years, since an NNTP server was considered one of the basic services which you get from your ISP. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/B8C2C9A2-DA9A-4E9B-911B-40456BDF8765%40biomantica.com.
Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode
On 12/8/2021 12:34 PM, James Platt wrote: On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote: > It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups. I don't understand. Why is this an issue? I find it very convenient to filter each group into it's own folder in email. If this were a non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters and folders. If you had continued reading, you would have seen my comment that NOT ALL news groups support list distribution or posting via email. NNTP is not email. Usenet group moderators[*] can choose how to make their groups available: the default is via list distribution and NNTP both, but the moderator can deliberately disable one or the other - or only enable digests via email, or disable posting. My complaint is having to read some things via NNTP and others through email because, while there are programs that do both, I haven't found any single program that does BOTH WELL. And that is without even considering the growing number of ... don't want to confuse by saying "groups", let's call them "crowds" ... that have abandoned Usenet entirely in favor of web forums. George [*] even unmoderated groups have a moderator/administrator - by default it is whoever started the group. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/5f17-59b4-a381-ddd7-25b435887694%40comcast.net.
Re: [racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode
On Dec 8, 2021, at 10:45 AM, George Neuner wrote: > It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups. I don't understand. Why is this an issue? I find it very convenient to filter each group into it's own folder in email. If this were a non-technical group, you wouldn't expect everyone to know how to do that but anyone who is a programmer ought to have no problem configuring filters and folders. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/E3524041-641D-40A0-AB14-80055D1EE6D7%40biomantica.com.
[racket-users] Re: Discourse - Mailing list mode
On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 17:56:38 -0500, James Platt wrote: > I notice that Discourse has a "mailing list mode" which you can set > in the preferences. I haven't had a chance to evaluate it much yet > but, what I'm hoping for is that this will allow me to use the forum > pretty much the same way as I have been using Google Groups all > along. I just realized, after catching up with some older messages > on this list, that I have been presuming, thus far, that the whole > point of Discourse was to have basically the same functionality as > Google Groups from the standpoint of managing the email list but also > have different (hopefully better) features at the server/web site > end. Are others not seeing it this way? List mode is not default > so you do have to explicitly go in and set it. With Google Groups, > list mode is default but you can turn that off and only read messages > on the server. So I'm not seeing this change as that much of a big > deal unless I'm wrong about the email end for Discourse It's a big deal if you are (or were) following multiple groups. In the last ~10 years, a lot of the old groups have abandoned NN for web forums ... some due to spam in unmoderated groups, but it seems to me mostly that the change has been driven by pandering to youngsters who won't be caught dead using a simple text based service (except, of course, for SMS which they can't live without). Where once you could monitor many groups with just a news reader OR an email client, now you need both because many mailing lists are no longer on NNTP and many newsgroups no longer support email access. And then you have to monitor a plethora of web forums to follow the groups that have gone over entirely to those platforms. So where you once had one program that handled all your news needs, now you need 2 or 3 different programs (NN reader, web browser, maybe separate email client). Keeping your own archives of interesting discussions - if you even /can/ keep archives (web forums) - has become much more difficult and time consuming, and you have to look in multiple places to find things. [Yes, I use Thunderbird for email and I know it has NNTP also ... but it can't share/sync its NN folders across multiple machines. I don't know of any program that does BOTH email and NNTP that /can/ sync everything across machines. Walking around with a USB drive is a non-starter.] Change for the sake of change is not a win. I don't mind Discourse so much because it has mailing list support, but I am bothered by the principle. YMMV, George -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/o1i1rgd569e4vr52j4nv9kfn55h002rfv2%404ax.com.
