Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Brian Hanson
Interesting that this topic came up. I was talking about this very thing with Grant last week on a quick visit to HQ. He indicated that he has thought through this quite a bit, and he said he felt he would have to keep the price way down to avoid it being a bike that rich parents buy their kids

[RBW] Re: HS

2011-06-23 Thread Esteban
My goodness, I finally figured it out. I can't believe it took me this long! Voila! It's a scooter bike. On Jun 21, 8:09 pm, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: I may be too late, but just in case, I filled out the form anyway. On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 12:52 PM, William

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
Far south of $600 for a complete bike? Sounds too good to be true. Really. And maybe isn't what you meant? If it is what you meant, then I'd consider buying one on the theory that it would be at least as good as any $300 complete bike option I have. And I'd feel more comfortable with where it was

[RBW] Re: HS

2011-06-23 Thread Ginz
Great idea. The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Just have a cobbled together gag bike made up to freak everyone out withthen reveal the actual bicycle.  But the

[RBW] Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread MichaelH
I am considering a switch to thumbies on our tandem. I am finding the BEs too slow on the tandem for the kind of rolling hills of Vt, which require a lot of fast, double shifts to attack hills that often swing from minus to plus 10%. The long cables, long rear derailleur cage, and the need to

[RBW] Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread rperks
I was lucky enough to have a semi-surplus Brooks B17 on hand to trade with Brad (jinxed) for his Swift - thank you. While I was playing musical chairs with the saddles in the stable I decided to take some pictures and measurements comparing my three saddles of choice. The Brooks B17, now a Swift

[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread MichaelH
Thanks for the posting, I found it interesting. I use both the early Selle Anatomica, which is a bit narrower than the current offering, and a B17 and like them both very much. My wife, on the other hand, has never found a saddle she likes. They all seem to chafe on the inside parts. From your

[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread rperks
Compared to my B17 and the short stint with a SA, the Bertoud floats between your thighs. The long nose is there to help with steering, but narrow to bring any rub to a screeching halt. For me the SA was the polar opposite, no matter where I had the tension the more triangular shape and skirt

[RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread Dave Craig
I do have experience with this change-including changes made to the same bikes and my stable of bikes with DT shifters, BE's, brifters and thumbies. There's no magic bullet. The issue is one of technique and anticipation. On my touring bike, the closest approximation I have to your situation

Re: [RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread James Warren
My favorite feature of BE's on long rides is the ability to shift while holding a water bottle. You drink, you're swallowing, you want more, so you want to keep the bottle in your hand, but the grade changes, and you need to shift in between drinks while still holding the water bottle.

Re: [RBW] Re: HS

2011-06-23 Thread tarik saleh
Right! lugged this bike: http://www.tariksaleh.com/bike/flashy/flashy.html On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:46 AM, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea.  The photoshoppers are now hard at work adding triple diag- a-tubes, invert-a-tubes and xris-xross-tubes! On Jun 22, 4:24 am, charlie

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Damian
I just ordered an Islabike Beinn 24 for my daughter. It was so refreshing to find a company that takes children's bikes seriously and doesn't just lazily try to shrink an adult's bike and imagine that that will do the job. Children's bodies have different relative dimensions and kids bikes so

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Hah add it to the questionnaire as part of prenatal planning... Things you can begin planning for NOW... - Will you and your wife be planning to send your son/daughter to college? - Will you and your wife be planning a custom Vanilla bicycle for your son/daughter's 5th birthday? On Jun 22,

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Montclair BobbyB
For me, it would be a Riv folding bike, preferably with 26in wheel... This so I could take my Riv on the train (and stick it to the bureacrats at Amtrak). BB On Jun 23, 7:06 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net wrote: Far south of $600 for a complete bike? Sounds too good to be

[RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread Thomas Lynn Skean
My only experience switching shifters is in the context of switching bars (roughly rotating through a set of four setups). Moustache bars make it easier to ride on the drops. I love the bar- ends there. It's at least as fast for shifting as the thumbies on my Albatross and Bullmoose bars. My

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread EricP
Folding would be nice. Although there was a Bromptom around RBWHQ at one time, I believe. (Wasn't it in a Reader?) The one I'd love straight gauge tubing, one bottle mount on the downtube, maybe hi-ten stays if cheaper, semi-horizontal dropouts. With slightly shorter chainstays than the Atlantis

[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread Minh
Man, i really need to spend more seat time in my new berthoud saddle, my b17 is just so much more comfortable, i do indeed feel like the berthoud is floating while the b17 feels like i'm sinking into it. anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud? it's still pretty new, but i just

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
Yes, that is a GREAT bike! No, we don't have anything like them here. All the majors have a few kid bikes, but they are tremendously heavy (my kid's 24 Trek MTB weights 30lbs, the same as my Surly 29er!) and not elegant in the least (clunky sus, cheap components). The only other option is a 24

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
I have a Swift, and really like. More than the Team Pro which I just couldn't work with. The Swift seems to have a flatter top, which compliments someone used to a B17. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: Man, i really need to spend more seat time in my new

[RBW] OT: Need advice on hauling lots of bikes

2011-06-23 Thread Joe Bartoe
Hi everyone, I am planning an event where I will need to haul 16 bikes to a site for a ride and need some advice on just how to do that. I was thinking of renting a moving van, truck, or trailer. The questions that come to mind are: (1) how big a van, truck, or trailer will I need?; and (2)

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread Lee Chae
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: anyone have additional tips for setting up the berthoud?  it's still pretty new, but i just can't get comfortable enough to go for a long ride... I have a B-17 Special on my Quickbeam and a Berthoud Aspin (touring model) on my

[RBW] Re: 1982 Footage, RAAM (including Lon)

2011-06-23 Thread Brett Lindenbach
wow, thanks for posting this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/JRwafOLJYUIJ. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread islaysteve
Go to the Dark Side, Luke.: Brifters. On Jun 23, 9:20 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I am considering a switch to thumbies on our tandem.  I am finding the BEs too slow on the tandem for the kind of rolling hills of Vt, which require a lot of fast, double shifts to attack hills that

[RBW] Re: FS: Green 58 QuickBeam

2011-06-23 Thread Liesl
The Quickbeam has joined my family as my partner's 50th birthday present. The bike is stunning and in stunning shape. John is a true gentleman; if he sells more from his stable, run don't walk. Cheers, John! liesl On Jun 22, 10:33 pm, John Blish jbl...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Joe.  You

[RBW] Re: HS

2011-06-23 Thread Liesl
I think the new bike will have creative and beautiful seat stays here- to-for never seen. liesl minneapolis (and the family where John Blish's spectacular 58 Quickbeam went) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this

Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread Ryan Watson
I thought the Berthoud Touring was THE ONE til I did a 600K on it. It became unbearable after 300 miles. I think it's just a bit too narrow for me, especially once fatigue sets in and more weight gets supported by my butt rather than my legs. Back to the B17 for me, at least for long rides. I

[RBW] SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread CycloFiend
Hey there - Just one more reminder to anyone in the greater SF Bay Area who wants to join in on the San Francisco Randonneurs Summer Populaire - runs from the GG Bridge up to Pt Reyes Station, covering 71-ish miles. You can preregister via Paypal (reg is $5) via the SFRandonneurs.org site until

[RBW] Re: Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread Kevin M
I use DA bar end friction shifters on our tandem without hardly any problems. Make sure that you have the bars high enough to be comfortable for long periods in the drops. How many teeth on your chainrings? We use (8sp) 53-42-30 x 11-32 and spend most of our time in the 42t. When preparing for

Re: [RBW] OT: Need advice on hauling lots of bikes

2011-06-23 Thread CycloFiend
Simplest method is upright, direction-switched heel to toe with a thick moving blanket between them. I'd probably remove the pedals, as that's what tends to bite into the frames and gouge stuff. We used to run built bikes from the warehouse out to the shops (anywhere from 1-2 hours by freeway)

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Pesce
Seems to me Schwinn (and maybe Huffy, etc) made a pretty good line of kid's bikes back in the day. By LBS as a kid was a stand-alone Schwinn dealer. They later added other brands, or course, but my friends and I all got Stingrays (and Varsitys and LeTours) from that shop. The problem is that

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread tarik saleh
James, I was going to pipe in that specialized has had some really nice kids bike (mixed in with not so nice ones) over the last 10 years. I would recommend checking them out along with the Kona ones. Tarik I don't have kids, so I'm only guessing, but how would something like this be?

Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread Lee Chae
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Just one more reminder to anyone in the greater SF Bay Area who wants to join in on the San Francisco Randonneurs Summer Populaire - runs from the GG Bridge up to Pt Reyes Station, covering 71-ish miles. You can

Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread CycloFiend
on 6/23/11 11:01 AM, Lee Chae at leec...@stanford.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Just one more reminder to anyone in the greater SF Bay Area who wants to join in on the San Francisco Randonneurs Summer Populaire - runs from the GG

[RBW] Re: SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread manueljohnacosta
Yikes. I was planning to do a bike camping trip up mission peak that evening. Maybe I can squeezed this one in7.5 hours I think I can do that. On Jun 23, 11:01 am, Lee Chae leec...@stanford.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Just one

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Leslie
How funny that the conversation turned this way... Just a couple of months ago, I was shopping for a new bike for my daughter, and I'd sent a similar note to Grant, saying it'd be interesting to see his 'expanded sizing' ideas used for a kids bike. Then recently, Yehuda's had his 'grow bike'

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread Leslie
I just replied over in the other thread (didn't realize this one had spun off); Instead of a true kids' bike, I went with the smallest ladies MTB bike for my 9-yr-old daughter; it dodged the 'kids-size' wheels, has regular 26 MTB wheels on it, is big enough that I can raise the seatpost and ride

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread John Speare
I gotta share this here. My buddy is a framebuilder and hooked me up with a sweet kid bike for my 8 yo daughter last Chrismass. The connection which really makes this Riv-related, is that the donor frame for the tube set came from a 89 RB-1.

Re: [RBW] SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread Joe Bunik
Ouch, no BART at that hour?!? Any other EastBayBobs plan on attending? =- Joe Bunik Walnut Creek, CA On 6/23/11, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 6/23/11 11:01 AM, Lee Chae at leec...@stanford.edu wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:47 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread James Warren
I don't have kids, so I'm only guessing, but how would something like this be? http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/SBCProduct.jsp?spid=52916scid=1005scname=Kids -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Urban Cycling Chic

2011-06-23 Thread Jim Cloud
The RBW Owners Bunch may not be the target audience, but I thought this on-line article from MSNBC might be of interest anyhow... http://thelook.today.com/_news/2011/06/23/6812780-biking-in-heels-a-do-or-a-dont Whatever gets people out on their bikes is a good thing, from my perspective! Jim

[RBW] Re: Saddle Comparison - Brooks B17, Swift and Berthoud Touring

2011-06-23 Thread Mojo
I like the Berthoud Touring, for rides up to about 50-60 miles. For those longer rides, the B17 just shines. The Berthoud is flatter than the B17 across the top. I have my Berthoud set up just slightly nose up. All my bikes are handlebar height equal to or up to inch below saddle height. I tried

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Peter Pesce
That is so fantastic! Thanks for sharing it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/jUr643FgcXwJ. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] OT: Need advice on hauling lots of bikes

2011-06-23 Thread Sean Whelan
I second that. The heel -to - toe, back of the truck, cardboard between bikes approach mentioned below was employed by the organizers of the 2007 London to Paris (http://www.londres-paris.com) when we took the train back to London and they brought our bikes back from Paris. Seems like a fine

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
I like the idea of a small 26er, but they're still hard to find w/out a sus fork. Specialized looks nice, thanks for the link! On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: I just replied over in the other thread (didn't realize this one had spun off); Instead of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread James Warren
Expression on child's face says you did well! -Original Message- From: Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com Sent: Jun 23, 2011 11:47 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids) I just replied over in the other thread

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Leslie
John, that's awesome. She'll treasure that, and pass it down to her kids. Wow -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread Leslie
James, Occasionally, I can manage to do something right :) You're right, tho', she really is happy w/ it; has made a nice replacement for the last one she outgrew... David, I understand, and yes, her Trek does have a suspension fork; but, otherwise, it was okay... (not a Riv, but,

Re: [RBW] Thumbies vs BEs

2011-06-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 06:20 -0700, MichaelH wrote: The long cables, long rear derailleur cage, and the need to move each separately from the shifter back to the bar before I can reach for the other shifter causes too much delay and I end up with too much pressure to drop the chain, or I shift

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread numbnuts
Specialized older steel stuff is a great choice. My son has a bunch of miles on a 24 wheeled Hardrock converted to a 1x7 with a chain guard and guide plus better brakes, brake levers, shifter, saddle, and other stuff. Norco also built a bunch of steel 24 wheeled bikes, along with others. Our bikes

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread William
Taking it back to the Original Post: What bike(s) would you like to see Riv implement in the future? The one I'm shocked nobody brought up (or maybe it's because we've all said it so much that it needs no more saying) was the Riv Tandem. On Jun 20, 3:33 pm, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Urban Cycling Chic

2011-06-23 Thread Anne Paulson
I say it's chic. And a lot of times, biking in those shoes is way way easier than walking in them. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: The RBW Owners Bunch may not be the target audience, but I thought this on-line article from MSNBC might be of interest

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Taking it back to the Original Post:  What bike(s) would you like to see Riv implement in the future? The one I'm shocked nobody brought up (or maybe it's because we've all said it so much that it needs no more saying) was

[RBW] Re: Urban Cycling Chic

2011-06-23 Thread William
My nicest italian dress shoes are GREAT for cycling. CHIC! On Jun 23, 3:10 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I say it's chic. And a lot of times, biking in those shoes is way way easier than walking in them. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com

[RBW] Re: Future Rivs

2011-06-23 Thread William
I can still want it to happen, though. Even if it's not likely and even if I couldn't afford it. On Jun 23, 3:28 pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:59 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Taking it back to the Original Post:  What bike(s) would you like to

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
I've found older Trek 220 models to be pretty good. Heavy as all get out though. Other than that, real good bikes! http://cyclotourist.blogspot.com/2010/05/found-perfect-kid-bike.html On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:33 PM, numbnuts campredd...@charter.net wrote: Specialized older steel stuff is

[RBW] Re: On cork and shellac...

2011-06-23 Thread Angus
Yes On Jun 20, 12:34 pm, Jack Warman jack.war...@gmail.com wrote: If I put on some cork grips and shellac them Thursday night, will they be dry enough to ride early Saturday morning?  How about if the shellac'ing were Wednesday night? Pimping my Xootr, Jack -- Jack Warman Durham, NC

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread Justin August
Scott (the bloggist formerly known as LFoaB) bought his daughter a tiny Long Haul Trucker. She rides more miles than most of us on it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit

Re: [RBW] Re: Future Rivs (current options for kids)

2011-06-23 Thread cyclotourist
Yes, that's a really smart choice. There aren't many options in 26 drop bar bikes. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.comwrote: Scott (the bloggist formerly known as LFoaB) bought his daughter a tiny Long Haul Trucker. She rides more miles than most of us on it!

[RBW] Re: SFR Populaire Reminder

2011-06-23 Thread benzzoy
Any south bayer attending this ride? I'll rather bum a ride there (and possibly Caltrain back) than leave my wife carless for most of Saturday. I'm close to 85 and El Camino and will need either a rear rack or a full-bike (i.e., don't have to remove front wheel) roof rack, owing to my fenders.

[RBW] Rivendell Ribbit Brakes

2011-06-23 Thread jandrews_nyc
Does anyone have experience with these. A shop near me has a unopened set from a few years ago and I'm thinking of getting them for my incoming Simpleone. They are no toe-in adjustment brakes. I'd love to hear from anyone who has used them. THanks, Jason -- You received this message because