[RBW] Re: Student you guys helped update

2014-04-26 Thread hsmitham
Really fun video. How great that you have helped out this young man Kan kyi to make a dream possible. And what Doug said any reason at all. ~Hugh On Thursday, April 24, 2014 8:51:05 PM UTC-7, Kip Otteson wrote: Hey, guys. Thanks again for helping out the student Kan kyi that I wrote about

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Dear Anne, I'll be fascinated to learn what you discover. I can't precisely describe why I chose to spend as much as I did on my Hunqapillar rather than get a Surly or other somewhat similar bike. When I talked with Rivendell, they even told me they aren't a bad way to go. One factor was

[RBW] Re: Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-04-26 Thread Joe Bernard
That's crazy, I just bought an identical frame down to the size and color from Ted Durant. I think the other posters are correct about what 700 x 35 meant back then..I was around here at the time, and it was common knowledge that big 700c tires were routinely much narrower than their listed

[RBW] Re: Altus! Love the cheap derailer BLUG

2014-04-26 Thread Joe Bernard
Shimano made a Dura-Ace 9-speed triple mech with those big pulleys. I put one on my Romulus and, well, it looked *huge*. I never got used to it. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, April 25, 2014 4:09:10 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: I love the BLUG post on cheap derailers. Especially when

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
obviously not anne'# Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: somewhere below 20 gears, you lose the gyro effect of the wheels, which affects your ability to keep your balance on a bicycle. On Friday, April 25, 2014 10:27:22 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: I'm a big fan of low, low gears. I

Re: [RBW] Rivish Trek 970 Commuter

2014-04-26 Thread Eric Daume
Nice! I'm not sure why, but lately I have the idea stuck in my head that I need to make a 26 utility bike. XL frame like that as well. Something about the big frame + small wheels + fat tires just appeals to me. Eric Daume Dublin, OH bikingtoplay.blogspot.com On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:28 PM,

Re: [RBW] Rivish Trek 970 Commuter

2014-04-26 Thread Tony DeFilippo
I love all the details you o put into this build. Obviously a very well thought out and thoroughly executed project! Might even serve as the nudge to tighten up my XO3 build that has stalled in a ridable but not complete stage... Tony -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Ron Mc
perversity rears its ugly head in the form of the Bullwinkle Show. Patrick, your evaluation is right-on. How Grant builds a frame that puts you on the right mass distribution for low-speed control. On Saturday, April 26, 2014 4:28:38 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: obviously not anne'#

Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Prototype on Blug?

2014-04-26 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Pictures? On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:36 PM, eric wallacker ewallac...@gmail.comwrote: Went to BBH on Main Street on rode the prototype. According to the employee, it is an updated Hunqapillar. Was a nice riding bike. On Friday, April 11, 2014 9:42:56 AM UTC-7, eric wallacker wrote: My

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Anne Paulson
Mike, sigh, you're saying what I suspected but didn't want to hear: it's just harder to push those big wheels up a hill. I'm already thinking about trying 2.3 tires, though it does seem silly to buy a bike that takes 3 wheels and then not use them. In any case, I'm going to replace the heavy

[RBW] Re: Student you guys helped update

2014-04-26 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Great video, looks like a really fun day on the bike! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Anne, Standing while climbing took me 18 months to master. No doubt I've a steep learning curve to climb with my vertigo as part of that. I read and reread and read again Grant's description of how to do it in Just Ride. Eventually I got there, just doing it for as long as I could, especially

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread IanA
Try leaving things as they are and give it three months of riding. It takes a while to get used to new equipment, especially when it is quite different to what a person might be more accustomed to. I bet you end up really enjoying that bike with those big tires and wheels. IanA/Canada. On

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread ted
Anne, You have a wonderful new bike and one of its unique features is the ability to accommodate really big tires. I'd think you would want to make sure lower gearing isn't the answer before abandoning that big big rubber. When I stop on a hill because It feels like I just can't pedal any more

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread RJM
I really think you are feeling the effect of wide, heavy tires/rims and the fact it is going to take more juice to get those up a hill. I bet you bomb down the hill quicker on the surly because of the same reason. So, you need more juice to get the bike up the hill and how do you get that?

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Good point Ted. There is the simplest way I knw to directly compare gear inches or ratios, and no GPS required. (Sheldon, of course): http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/ With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:07:09 AM UTC-6, ted wrote: Anne, You have a wonderful new bike and one of

[RBW] FS: Deore XT long cage RD

2014-04-26 Thread Michael Hechmer
I've noticed a lot of posts lately about the love of really low gears and really cheap detailers. Count me out. I have a lightly used XT derailer sitting on the shelf which I will never use. $45 shipping. Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread ted
Patrick, True indeed, As Always Sheldon Has The Answer. But often people calculate gears without accurately accounting for the true circumference of the wheel (I didn't see 29x3.0 in the pull down menu). Also the remaining variable driving speed, and therefore effort, is pedaling cadence. The

Re: [RBW] GAP Trail from Confluence to Rockwood, PA

2014-04-26 Thread jimD
Poetic and inspiring words to live by. Yes, it's a long hard road. So what? It's the road you have and you can have whatever attitude you choose along the way. You can enjoy the view, the flowers, the stunning scents of new spring loam waking from under the melting snow, or you can allow

Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Prototype on Blug?

2014-04-26 Thread eric wallacker
I didn't take a pic, if that is what you mean... I had a particular interest in this protovelo due to my height (6'5.5) and as I previously posted was kinda hoping that it was one-size tall-guy off roady touring bike which has been lightly alluded to and discussed. Exactly the kind of bike I

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Jeremy Till
I don't want to add just another voice in the peanut gallery, but I have had similar experiences recently. I bought my first real mountain bike earlier this year, a pretty standard aluminum hardtail 29er from Raleigh. By pretty standard, it's geometry is the kind of mass-market stuff that

Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-04-26 Thread jimD
+1 ;) -JimD On Apr 25, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Chris Chen cc...@nougat.org wrote: I want to repeat something that's kind of bugged me a few times: If you want to know about Rivendell Bicycles you can call or email them. They will tell you to the best of their availability. They run a

[RBW] Re: Altus! Love the cheap derailer BLUG

2014-04-26 Thread Montclair BobbyB
I love reading about the history of the derailleur. Check out Disraeli Gears website (Google it, not sure of the URL), but it's hosted by someone who obviously has lots if passion and knowledge about derailleurs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] Re: Altus! Love the cheap derailer BLUG

2014-04-26 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I've been a fan of Tiagra and Alivio parts for years. It's decent looking, works great, and comparatively cheap (not as cheap as Altus). A lot of bike people have a psychological barrier to using entry level parts, buying into the hype about climbing the hierarchy to the fancier stuff. When I

Re: [RBW] Re: Going main stream or is that main street.

2014-04-26 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
If you watch a movie like Ride the Divide or follow Cass Gilbert's blog While Out Riding, you will see the types of minimalist bike-packing set-ups that are being popularly marketed now. Personally I like a combination of a Revelate Sweet Roll, Revelate frame bag, and a large Sackville saddle

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread ted
Jeremy wrote: ... And I think this is further reinforced by the type of riding featured in MTB magazines and videos: high speed, big jumps, riding up and down ledgy technical features. ... To which I would like to add (despite veering off topic a bit), this is why I don't think of, or refer

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread cyclotourist
I've been wondering lately if there is such a thing as too big a tire. A point when the height or circumference is just too big, and some negative things start happening. 29+ bikes haven't been around too long given the history of bicycles. If I recall a BQ article correctly, years of innovation

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread cyclotourist
Speaking of rear stay length, I'm slowly coming to terms with the idea of 430mm stays being better for me when climbing. I'm finding the typical Rivish length of 450mm leads to a lot of slipping when climbing, while 430mm maintains traction up the hill. That's on similar 40mm-ish tires, same 72^

[RBW] Re: 10 speed conundrum(s)

2014-04-26 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I will echo what has been said. The cassettes and chains don't matter as long as they're all 10-sp. SRAM and Shimano road and mountain are the same spacing. I prefer SRAM or KMC chains and Shimano cassettes. Your 9sp Deore derailleur should be fine. -- You received this message because you

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Mike Schiller
David, that may be a good size for roads. paved or smooth dirt, but rocky, sandy and rutted roads are much faster and smoother on wider tires than that. Just one ride on those 650B Thunder Burts convinced me otherwise. The 29+ tires are really fast and smooth once you are rolling and especially

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread cyclotourist
Yes road=/=dirt, but maybe the same principle, just scaled up? Perhaps a 27.5+ would be better than a 29+ just due to how huge a tire you're getting into??? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Mike Schiller

Re: [RBW] Re: Appaloosa Prototype on Blug?

2014-04-26 Thread Abcyclehank
Can anyone compare the 62cm Prototype to a 60cm Cheviot from their test rides of each bike. Is this the maximum size the prototype is expected to come in or has anyone heard about a larger size also. I think just 1 longer chain stay frame is in order as my n+1. I had preordered the latter but

[RBW] FS: Misc MUSA Merchandise

2014-04-26 Thread soqer...@gmail.com
Medium Blue MUSA knickers. Medium Blue/Gray Bamboo shorts Large Brown MUSA shorts with green gusset XL Red MUSA arm warmers Pics available $75 for all. Will entertain breaking up the set You pay actual shipping or meet me near RBW world HQ or downtown SF for surreptitious handoff DIrect emails

Re: [RBW] Heron: Why the incorrect info about tire clearance?

2014-04-26 Thread reynoldslugs
I converted my Heron road (I think it's a 1999, maybe a 2000) to 650b x 38 (Evan posted a shot, above - - thanks Evan!). Like it was made for 'emt is about right, and man oh man is this bike fun to ride. https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/sets/72157642068014924/ talley ho, time to

[RBW] Re: Altus! Love the cheap derailer BLUG

2014-04-26 Thread Joe Bernard
Yes! I put a $250 Precision Billet ProShift CNC era rear derailer on a $200 Schwinn mtb frame..both found on Ebay. The frame is totes faster fer sure! On Saturday, April 26, 2014 9:13:18 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I've been a fan of Tiagra and Alivio parts for years. It's

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Garth
I'm guessing the rotational weight difference is what you are feeling. Compare the weight of your Atlantis tires and rims, to that of the Surly's. It's likely more, but I don't know your Atlantis wheels. 700g for a 700c Rabbit hole rim 1205-1229g for the Knard 29 x 3 27 tpi

Re: [RBW] Re: Grey Blue, Blue Grey Sam Hillborne touch up paint.

2014-04-26 Thread Marc Irwin
I got pretty close by mixing one of Testor's light blues and grey. I just kept adding a brush full of grey, mixing and trying until it passed the 5 foot inspection to my eye. But I also like to cut out a cute design with reflective tape for the bad ones. Marc On Thursday, April 24, 2014

[RBW] Re: 10 speed conundrum(s)

2014-04-26 Thread eflayer
My 3 road bikes use Ultegra 6603 sti shifters, 34 tooth 10 speed cassettes, and 9 speed long cage Shimano mt derailleurs...like a charm. On Friday, April 25, 2014 8:41:09 AM UTC-7, Jim Bronson wrote: I'm building up a new frame, and trying to keep it a secret, at least, until I thin the herd.

[RBW] Woody's Chop Chort 2.5 Fenders

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Here is the fender solution I worked out with Cody at Woody's Fenders by adding stays to his chop chort fenders and using a pair. They have plenty of clearance for knobby tire debris to fly out the sides. I've had the front fender on for a number of rides and it performs fantastically (aka no

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Anne Paulson
Unfortunately, lower gearing can't be the answer. I'm already below the Rohloff minimum. I can't go lower. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:07 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: Anne, You have a wonderful new bike and one of its unique features is the ability to accommodate really big tires. I'd

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Anne Paulson
Just to clarify: this new bike is a ton of fun, and I'm liking it. I love the Rohloff hub, I love the way the 3 tires stick to everything and roll over anything, I love the way I can go downhill with confidence on trails I wouldn't dream of descending on my Atlantis. It's just that I need to work

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread justinaugust
Is it a fit issue maybe? Lower bars? Bar ends? Shorter stem? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Patrick Moore
Why not go tubeless? I expect that your rims and tires are designed for this and, if they don't have to be built up with lots of tape, you should save the weight of the tubes mines the weight of the sealant and the heavier rim strip. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Anne Paulson

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Patrick Moore
I to was thinking that the greater mass of the Knard wheels might be the reason. While this comparison is only on pavement, I do know that the Fargo's wheels, with SnoCat rims and 60 mm Big Apple tires -- which roll very well on flat pavement, incidentally -- certainly require more effort to push

Re: [RBW] Re: Going main stream or is that main street.

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Anne, I've never had a problem with the Large SaddleSack or the TourSacks, used independently or together with LCG. My problem is with my feet sacking into the pedal unless I turn it to the 9 o'clock position (toward the front). Considering the stuff I've gone through I fail to grasp the need

Re: [RBW] Re: Going main stream or is that main street.

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Anne, Here are two pics of LCG with the Large SaddleSack (this one and the one to the right of it): https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9981012633/in/set-72157635975329866 If you look through the other photos from that trip, you'll see the configuration for SaddleSack only travel (I

Re: [RBW] Re: Going main stream or is that main street.

2014-04-26 Thread Anne Paulson
Deacon Jim, I asked because I have a large Saddlesack (great product) on one of my bikes, which I ride off-road, and I have noticed that my hip hits the Saddlesack when I'm hike-a-biking. It's not nearly as bad as rear panniers, which are definitely in the way when pushing, but I notice it. On

Re: [RBW] Re: Going main stream or is that main street.

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Huh. Perhaps the difference is frame size? Looking at my LCG photos, I'm in front of the SaddleSack. Perhaps that's possible because my frame is 62cm and thus has a longer top tube? But I'd think proportionately you'd have a similar fit for a bike that fits you? I prefer to get tucked up inside

Re: [RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread ted
Well that's simple enough. Though it may still be worthwhile to check out how the gearing of your bikes compare, also the relative weights. If either of those comparisons explain what you are experiencing, then you will have a better idea of what you are dealing with. If not, well it sounds

[RBW] S24O Report

2014-04-26 Thread Pondero
It shaped up to be first class weather here in north Texas, so I loaded up the Hilsen with overnight gear. The great weather generated a lot of interest, the State Park was more crowded than usual, and my favorite campsites were taken. So when I arrived at one of the leftover sites, I

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread Nils Eng
Anne, Don't despair! This is EXACTLY the experience I had on my Krampus, but now it's sorted and he'd climb a telephone pole if I had the legs. I think it's the front end-- it's really slack-- and the way there is mucho weight on the back wheel. While the All-Mountain geometry IS great for

[RBW] Woody's Chop Chort 2.5 Fenders

2014-04-26 Thread Pondero
I know nothing about how well those wood fenders perform, but I've always admired their looks. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

[RBW] Re: S24O Report

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
Fantastic, Chris! Indian Paintbrush this early is amazing to me. They are typical for August here. What a fun adventure. With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, April 26, 2014 7:50:54 PM UTC-6, Pondero wrote: It shaped up to be first class weather here in north Texas, so I loaded up the Hilsen

[RBW] S24O Report

2014-04-26 Thread WETH
Chris, your photos are fabulous and inspirational. Thanks for sharing. Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: S24O Report

2014-04-26 Thread dougP
This looks right seems a pretty good decision point. That hammock set-up looks interesting. Thanks for taking the time to get good photos; going solo must make that a challenge in itself. dougP On Saturday, April 26, 2014 6:50:54 PM UTC-7, Pondero wrote: It shaped up to be first class

[RBW] Re: Geometry, climbing, what's going on?

2014-04-26 Thread dougP
This is an interesting thread. When going up Really Steep Uphills (the kind that call for a 20 or lower gear) the terrain must play into all this discussion of weight transfer, bike geometry, etc, no? Conversely, if one went down the same hill, now the point of front tire contact has moved

[RBW] Re: Woody's Chop Chort 2.5 Fenders

2014-04-26 Thread Deacon Patrick
They offer recurve fenders, which curve around the diameter of the tire rather than being flat. Those would offer the best coverage (but are pricy). I like the flat because of their ability to clear rocks and debris that comes up with the tires, especially the knobbies. My goal with them is to