Re: [RBW] How can I improve the rear-loaded handling of my new Sam Hill?

2010-06-19 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Thanks for all the advice, suggestions and encouragement. I do find it hard to believe that a Riv bike would have inferior handling, based on the other 3 I've owned. I will try moving weight for'ard and see what happens. Saddle: I've got the saddle where I like it, about 3 to 31/2 behind the bb.

[RBW] How can I improve the rear-loaded handling of my new Sam Hill?

2010-06-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Disappointment. I've owned 3 Riv customs, designed for fast road riding, and all, particularly the second two, have been magnificent in fit, feel and handling, even with rear loads. So I was hugely disappointed to take my SH out for a quick 20 mile shakedown ride with 35 lb or so in the rear (An

Re: [RBW] How can I improve the rear-loaded handling of my new Sam Hill?

2010-06-18 Thread Phil Roberts
Patrick, I'm at a loss why your Hillborne is behaving that way. My experience is exactly the opposite; after many many miles touring on my Expedition (which I still love) my Hillborne in comparison is rock solid with a loaded rear rack, and is one of the easiest bikes to noodle up a steep slope.

Re: [RBW] How can I improve the rear-loaded handling of my new Sam Hill?

2010-06-18 Thread CycloFiend
Hmmm... - I'd take a look at the fore/aft saddle placement with respect to the bb. - I might drop the bars slightly - IIRC, don't your other bikes have bars 1-2 below the saddle? Both those steps could shift just a bit more weight onto the front end. The technique which always worked for me

Re: [RBW] How can I improve the rear-loaded handling of my new Sam Hill?

2010-06-18 Thread Bill Gibson
Methodically move weight from back to front, if possible try a low rider front, even overloading the front to see what the matter is. Keep light stuff that you need handy in the handlebar bag. I try to keep all loads between the axles and low, so long as it doesn't interfere with pedaling, etc.