May I just interrupt to say that this thread is yet another reason I love
this list? Useful, interesting input from everybody--plus this lucid
summary from Rod:
On Thursday, September 4, 2014 9:15:24 AM UTC-7, Rod Holland wrote:
I fear Jan is requiring that we think of two or three things at
On 09/04/2014 01:10 AM, Anne Paulson wrote:
A rider with a 29er who wants to do road or mixed terrain rides is the
use case for the Compass 700 x 38. They're not putting any 700 x 32
tires on those wide rims, or at least, they probably shouldn't.
Surely not the only use case. There are plenty
On 09/04/2014 12:38 AM, Madam Xylene wrote:
I just got a pair of Compass Stampede Pass (700Cx32mm) tires and was
wondering if there will be any problems installing on my rear DT Swiss
440 Asymetric or front Velocity A23 rims because of deep wells. The
new Stampedes will hopefully be replacing
Amen. I'm running the Compass Barlow Pass Extralight 38mm on my 700C LHT,
and Compass 1.75 on my 26 Trucker DeLuxe (I know, two LHTs, call me
eccentric). I ride both on all terrains, which in Eastern Massachusetts
includes a ration of single track and plenty of rocky abandoned carriage
roads,
Perhaps it's useful to clarify:
Having ridden the same bikes with 700C x 32 mm and 700C x 38 mm tires, I
prefer the wider tires. The extra air inside and the extra rubber on the
road really transform the bike. However, if I were to get a new bike, I'd
still spec it for 650B, as I prefer the
What's interesting is that your work is stimulating end-user
experimentation with both tires (for the bikes we have) and bikes (bike n +
1 will be 650B). Given the relative costs of both, the velocity of
experimentation with new tires is much higher than the velocity of
experimentation with
Jan, do you prefer the bike handling with 32mm tires (over 38mm tires) for mid
and high trail bikes, as well as for your low trail bikes?
Philip
www.biketinker.com
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I fear Jan is requiring that we think of two or three things at once.
Previously, he's laid out ranges of ideal tire size for specific wheel
sizes, based on the effects of rotational inertia on steering, among other
things (tire weight, air volume). For 700C, 32mm was the top of the range,
I should have thought of the 700C Surly LHTs. That's a popular touring bike.
But if you go to a popular mountain bike trail, in one day you'll see
more 29ers than all the LHTs you've ever seen. 29ers have taken over
the mountain bike market.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Steve Palincsar
*I was more or less joking about the 700 x 55 tires. I wasn't jokingthat I
want them, because I do, but I didn't think that Compass would**actually
make and sell them*.
In case another voice adds a bit of weight to the case pro, I'd commit to
2 pairs up front. At least 55 mm though.
Anne: If
The Furious Freds look like a decent choice, but I'm reluctant to put
a 50 mm wide tire on a 50 mm wide rim. Maybe I shouldn't be?
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
I was more or less joking about the 700 x 55 tires. I wasn't joking
that I want them,
I didn't know that your rims are that wide. FWIW, my rims are 44 mm wide
and the FFs measure 53 mm at well below the 20-25 I run them at (haven't
ridden Fargo in a while). I expect they'd flare out to at least 55 on 50
mm rims. But I can't comfortably say that they'd work on 50 mm rims.
Perhaps
If you think about it, you realize that putting a tire on a too-narrow
rim will make it narrower, because you have decreased the total
circumference of the cross-section. Putting a tire on a too-wide rim
will make it flatter, because the tire has to stretch out to reach the
two sides of the rim.
Rod, thank you for summarizing it so well. Yes, the extra cush and grip of
wide tires trumps the slower handling. That handling issue can be positive
- some bike can use some calming – but it occurs with all geometries,
whether low-, mid- or high-trail bikes (however you define those).
So yes,
If there was a Compass 650Bx34, I'd be there. Bike doesn't do 38s.
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This spring I switched from 32mm Cypres to 38mm Barlow Pass EL on my
Romulus, mounted on Open Pro rims. I liked everything except how the wheel
seemed to want to dig in at a sharp switchback. I built a new set of wheels
with H+Son Archetype rims, and the tires behaved much better on the wider
If I'm understanding the prevailing chatter from the roadie/track world
correctly, rims as wide as the mounted tires has been a buzz-concept for
the last few years. H+Son seems to have been the first to push it, with
23mm road clinchers recommended for the 23mm TB14 rim. I don't keep up with
The Compass Chinook Pass EL is now my favorite 700c x 28 tire. Everything
Jan Heine says the tire is. Wish the bike I have them on would fit 32's or
bigger.
Richard
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Interesting observation about the rim width. I am running the 650B x 42 mm
Babyshoe Pass Extralights both on 20 mm and 23 mm rims, and cannot notice a
difference, either on pavement or on gravel, even when running the wheels
on the same bike...
Regarding the cuts, it's impossible to say much
I still believe that for tires 38 mm and wider, 650B offers more nimble
handling, while also improving the packaging of the tire between the
chainstays of the bike. Two things made us re-consider our opinion on wide
700C tires:
1. We all ride the bikes we have, not the ones we wish to have,
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Jan Heine hein...@earthlink.net wrote:
I still believe that for tires 38 mm and wider, 650B offers more nimble
handling, while also improving the packaging of the tire between the
chainstays of the bike.
You sort of shoot your 700x38 sales in the foot by
I just got a pair of Compass Stampede Pass (700Cx32mm) tires and was
wondering if there will be any problems installing on my rear DT Swiss 440
Asymetric or front Velocity A23 rims because of deep wells. The new
Stampedes will hopefully be replacing some Schwalbe Marathon and Vitorria
I just got a pair of Compass Stampede Pass (700Cx32mm) tires and was
wondering if there will be any problems installing on my rear DT Swiss 440
Asymetric or front Velocity A23 rims because of deep wells. The new
Stampedes will hopefully be replacing some Schwalbe Marathon and Vitorria
Jan and others,
I was more or less joking about the 700 x 55 tires. I wasn't joking
that I want them, because I do, but I didn't think that Compass would
actually make and sell them.
I found myself riding my Atlantis on Aptos Creek/Buzzard Lagoon trail
this weekend, a 15 mile fire road in the
Does anybody have experience riding the Stampede Pass, GB Cypres and Jack
Brown Green to compare them.
Looking to put some new 700c x 32s on my Mercian.
David Hays
Kenmore, New York
On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:11:36 PM UTC-5, RJM wrote:
I just purchased a pair of the 700c x 32 mm Stampede
My Rivendell Custom riding rando buddy recently switched from the GB Cypres
Extra Leger to the Stampede Pass Extralight and he likes the Stampede Pass
better. I don't think he's tried the Jack Brown Greens though. I think
the Jack Browns are a fair bit heavier than the other choices, IIRC.
On
I don't suppose 700x55 is coming anytime soon. Or 700x60.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:
My Rivendell Custom riding rando buddy recently switched from the GB Cypres
Extra Leger to the Stampede Pass Extralight and he likes the Stampede Pass
better. I
I doubt it. I was surprised to see 700x38 coming from Jan due to his stance
on larger diameter 700c tires.
-J
On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:13:08 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
I don't suppose 700x55 is coming anytime soon. Or 700x60.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jim Bronson
On 09/02/2014 09:43 PM, justinaug...@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt it. I was surprised to see 700x38 coming from Jan due to his
stance on larger diameter 700c tires.
But there was a steady stream of pleading, coaxing and cajoling, begging
him to do a 700x38 here and on the iBOB list. 55 and 60,
I haven't used the Cypress or Jack Browns, but I have Stampede Pass tires on
two bikes and love them. Comfortable and fast (at least, they *feel* fast).
Reasonably flat-free, but not flat-proof.
--Eric N.
www.CampyOnly.com
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Jan, is there a rim that works particularly well with these tires? I'm hoping
to avoid the seating issues I've had with Hetres on Synergies.
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Starting to look like my Hillborne might try a new set of tires this year.
700x38 is probably the minimum width for me these days. Very, very
tempting.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
I thought I had enough
I only got about 1000 miles before the amount of flats I was getting became
intolerable. Nevertheless I love these Pari-Motos and I recently bought
more of them. Perhaps I would also love the Loup Loup Pass but get longer
tread life. The thinner sidewalls are a concern though. I have had some
I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike
around a pair of these tires!
Have a slightly different dilemma. 700x38s will fit, but my bike already
has 700x32 ELs bought just last year. Even have a spare pair. The ELs are
holding up so well for me that if I wait
Stan's will help you. I just had the bike shop do the ghetto tubeless thing
on the supremely fragile (360 actual grams, 700C X 55mm actual on my 44mm
rims) Furious Freds (ghetto required because of the wide rims) and a test
ride through a thicket, literally, of goatheads caused no permanent leaks
I feel exactly the same way. A lot of people have built a bike around
Hetre tires. Some have built a bike around Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads. I
was planning a build around Soma C-Line 700x38, and now there is a Compass
700x38 that claims to be even faster. It's great! I've heard putting
: Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?
I feel exactly the same way. A lot of people have built a bike around Hetre
tires. Some have built a bike around Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads. I was
planning a build around Soma C-Line 700x38, and now there is a Compass 700x38
that claims to be even faster. It's
Somebody should do a youtube of themself walking into their local bike shop
with a pair of Compass 700x38 tires. Walk up to the dude behind the
counter and ask: Do you have a bike to fit these tires? See how they
handle it. They always ask very early in the conversation What kind of
riding
The design tire for my new bike is a 50x584 big ben, with enough to go to
55.
MI ENCANTA
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
Somebody should do a youtube of themself walking into their local bike
shop with a pair of Compass 700x38 tires. Walk up to the
I'm glad Tom is going to try these, i'm interested in the 700x38, but my
fender clearance is a little tight with the 700x37 on there now, would like
to get some real world feedback on measured width once mounted.
The price per tire for the non-el versions is not too terrible when
: Re: [RBW] New Compass tires?
I'm glad Tom is going to try these, i'm interested in the 700x38, but my fender
clearance is a little tight with the 700x37 on there now, would like to get
some real world feedback on measured width once mounted.
The price per tire for the non-el versions is not too
You could run the standard Loup Loup Pass, which has a similar casing to
the Pari-Motos. You still get the extra tread thickness and longer life, in
exchange for a few grams extra weight when new. Once you have ridden them
for a thousand miles or so, they'll be almost indistinguishable from the
I am also wanting to build my dream bike around a specific tire but I doubt
Jan will be producing a 559 x 55 Compass version anytime soon. :)
On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:58:41 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I feel exactly the same way. A lot of people have built a bike around
Hetre
I just purchased a pair of the 700c x 32 mm Stampede Pass, standard model
with tan sidewalls, to use on the Roadeo. I look forward to using them.
So far I have been using 25mm GP4000s tires on that bike on a set of wheels
that I had, which has worked fairly well for the riding I have been
No, if you read the comments on Jan's post, he mentions the new Babyshoe
has a thinner tread than the Hetre.
Eric Daume
Dublin, OH
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 2:42 AM, Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. I have no insider info, but my guess is
the Babyshoe is a
Yes, per Jan's blog entry on point there are differences between the
Compass and GB. In addition to thinner tread Eric mentions, less tread on
the side of the Compass than the GB.
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:51:36 AM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:
No, if you read the comments on Jan's post, he
The wider Compass tires are brand-new designs, not re-branded tires from
other makers. They all feature a tread pattern designed for optimum
cornering adhesion in dry and wet conditions, whereas the Hetre has a
ribbed pattern that also is considerably thicker. Compared to the
Pari-Moto, the
I don't rhink Jan is. Into rebbranding
Aaron Young 1ce...@gmail.com wrote:
I was wondering the same thing. I have no insider info, but my guess
is
the Babyshoe is a rebranded Hetre in a different color. I very well
could
be wrong though.
Aaron willing to hazzard a guess Young
The Dalles, OR
Jan:
My Pari-Motos have 2,521 miles on them. They're showing some age and I
expect 3,000 might be as much as I expect to get from them. While the
Loup Loup may be longer lasting, I doubt it would even double my
mileage, not to say many times. Pari-Motos have a similar lifespan
for me as
Mine wore out at 1600 mi
Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote:
Jan:
My Pari-Motos have 2,521 miles on them. They're showing some age and I
expect 3,000 might be as much as I expect to get from them. While the
Loup Loup may be longer lasting, I doubt it would even double my
Samsonite! I was way off...
-Aaron and Dumber Young :)
The Dalles
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, per Jan's blog entry on point there are differences between the
Compass and GB. In addition to thinner tread Eric mentions, less tread on
the side
That's because you're a grouch Steve.. gdr
On 2/23/2014 8:46 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Mine wore out at 1600 mi
Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote:
Jan:
My Pari-Motos have 2,521 miles on them.
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I think I'll give the 700x32 stampede model a try, to see how it compares
to my lightweight 33.33 Jack Browns.
Those JBs just roll and roll, I so often find myself accelerating while
coasting on slight downhills, as other riders start pedaling.
- Andrew, Berkeley
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or maybe heavier than You?
Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote:
That's because you're a grouch Steve.. gdr
On 2/23/2014 8:46 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
Mine wore out at 1600 mi
Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote:
Jan:
My Pari-Motos have 2,521 miles on
I got less miles than Steve did on my Pari Motos.
These tires are definitely not for everyone.
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
or maybe heavier than You?
Bruce Herbitter bruce.herbit...@gmail.com wrote:
That's because you're a grouch Steve..
Kirk did call them event tires rather than every day use.
Ken Mattina ken.matt...@gmail.com wrote:
I got less miles than Steve did on my Pari Motos.
These tires are definitely not for everyone.
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
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or maybe heavier than
regardless how many miles people get on parimotos, that compass lineup is
impressive. so many awesome tires out there!
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The more so for having been based on what jas been learned from testong the
other tires.
Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
regardless how many miles people get on parimotos, that compass lineup
is impressive. so many awesome tires out there!
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That 700x38 is crazy tempting. This is a good day for lovers of tires.
-J
On Sunday, February 23, 2014 4:51:43 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
The more so for having been based on what jas been learned from testong
the other tires.
Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
As Grant has pointed out for rims, you can only wear them down to a certain
limit, so the worst case is a rim that has the absolute minimum sidewall
thickness and will be worn out the first time you brake. Adding a little
extra sidewall thickness will greatly increase the lifespan, while adding
My previous post might be interpreted to be negative about the Pari-Moto...
I have enjoyed my rides on them a lot, and we used to sell them at Compass
Bicycles. If you compare them to a narrower racing tire, the life
expectancy is just fine. We've become so used to riding tires for many
I thought I had enough bikes, but now I'm tempted to build a new bike around a
pair of these tires!
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So, how does a Babyshoe Pass compare to a Hetre?
(Also, typo on the Babyshoe link, takes you to the Loup Loup page; and, it has
a 28.5 MTB listed instead of 27.5)
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I was wondering the same thing. I have no insider info, but my guess is
the Babyshoe is a rebranded Hetre in a different color. I very well could
be wrong though.
Aaron willing to hazzard a guess Young
The Dalles, OR
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
So,
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