Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-25 Thread Patrick Moore
I meant that while I cannot say I've experienced what Jan calls "planing," I have experienced bikes that make me (consistently, over extended periods of ridership) make me want to use a smaller cog, and those that seem at least on occasion to "hold you back" -- feel sluggish in certain conditions,

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-25 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Patrick I'm confused about your 'planning" discussion. Was the 60 C-C Liberatas the planning bike??I thought all Rivendellls used OS main tubes (they may be thin wall but still OS). Maybe the Liberatas was an exception, but thought it was similar to a Ramboiulet John Hawrylak Woodstown

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-24 Thread masmojo
Had I bought the Atlantis First, instead of the Clementine, I would have just pickup where I left off with my XO-1 for another 20 years and probably wouldn't have landed here. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:39 PM Ryan M. > wrote: > >> ...I wonder how many people just buy one Rivendell and then

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-23 Thread Patrick Moore
"Yes" to "... buy one Rivendell and then keep riding it for20 years ..." and "No" to "never to be bothered to get another one." My favorite bike of all time is my 1999 Joe Starck custom Riv Road, but I've bought and sold on 4 other Rivs as I found other bikes better suited to my admittedly

[RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-23 Thread Ryan M.
I appreciate buying widgets that are quality made for years and years of abuse. I find Paul Components stuff to be like that and I find Rivendell bikes are like that. That hasn’t stopped me from buying and selling a bunch of products from both companies. I figure I just like to change up

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-22 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
A Clementine is always good, now and forever! I think yours will nobly serve you, Mas. And yes, you should also have the Platypus. I mean, that’s exactly what I’m having, so it won’t be without precedent! Just own all the Riv mixtes, that’s what I say. It’s true that Rivs have overlap and that

[RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-22 Thread Rob Kristoff
I appreciate the light-hearted post. But we've been down the road of second-guessing Grant, Will, and Co.'s business dealings before. Instead, let's discuss that beautiful Saluki! RK (now @bike.writing on insta) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-22 Thread masmojo
I know you were not being serious, but I can still say your wrong. Indeed Rivendells reputation for forever bikes is what keeps them in business! It does present a challenge though, because 90% of your customer base already has a Rivendell. How do you sell the owner of an Atlantis, Homer or

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-21 Thread Joe Bernard
My Riv Custom is forever. Everything else is always susceptible to the right buyer at the right time, and I'm probably going to buy another production Riv eventually. Platypus! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-21 Thread Patrick Moore
I was kidding a friend today who makes his living as a handyman and often fails to adequately estimate his time that he used the "friendly and accommodating client" business model where you depend on the client to cough up extra to make up for your underestimate of time required (and your nice-guy

Re: [RBW] RBW Business Model

2020-07-21 Thread ANDREW ERMAN
I enjoyed your post. Thanks! Andy On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:38 AM Michael Hechmer wrote: > There is a major flaw in the RBW Business Model. They forgot to include > planned obselence. Really, how can you expect to grow a business when your > products not only don't wear out they don't even