[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-08 Thread pruckelshaus
Quill stems allow for far easier (and far more) bar height adjustment, which is why I prefer them. I also prefer threaded headsets because I can remove the bar stem from my bike and not have the fork fall out onto the floor. Threadless headsets were invented by an industry that was lazy and

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs make for better engineering? One reason might be that freewheels NEVER performed flawlessly. First

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 03:35, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 20:43 -0700, james black wrote: Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which in my experience has always performed flawlessly as intended, just because freehubs make for better engineering? One

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:34, John Vu j...@jhvu.com wrote: I love my freewheel stuff but I'm not sure you can really say it's cheaper to use them. I don't think I can claim it's cheaper to use freewheels, but it can be cheap. The last wheelset I built last year was on a NOS pair of Sunshine

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Tue, 2011-06-07 at 13:29 -0700, james black wrote: I see the freewheel system as analogous to the quill stem - technological improvements have supplanted it in the mainstream market, but not rendered it worthless or any less useful than it was 20 years ago. Except that with stems it's

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread james black
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 13:52, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: If gearing choices don't matter to you, fine; and if you happen to be a real genuine fan of 14-28 Alpine, then God bless you - some long winter's evening maybe you can explain to me how the shifting pattern works, and who

Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread tarik saleh
THis is a pretty funny conversation all out. I think the big difference (for me) is between using quill stems and freewheel hubs on brand new bikes. I don't get it at all. Even worse (to me) is speccing quills and freewheel hubs on a new bike. Outside of this, I get it, have fun riding. Inside of

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-07 Thread Jim Cloud
I've never ridden a bike that wasn't equipped with anything other than a freewheel. Given that fact, I'd have to say if I was purchasing a new Rivendell, or whatever, today it would be fitted with a cassette hub. The freewheels that I'm presently using are all either SunTour Winner Pro or Sachs

[RBW] Re: [BOB] Why Freewheels? WAS: Experiments in Rolling Resistance and Low Speed Stability

2011-06-06 Thread james black
On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 05:17, Dave Mann pinnah.d...@gmail.com wrote: So... I'm probably about as retro-grouchy as the next iBOB, but I have to ask... Why use a freewheel? By asking this question you are advancing to a new plateau of grouchy. Why must we dump our freewheels, a technology which