Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

My buddy and I have both used the VO sabot pedals for many miles of paved bike touring, and been very happy with them. I've done around 5,000 miles, and he has done about 15,000 miles. We both use them with sturdy soled trail running shoes. For paved riding, I have no issues with the rounded

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Agreed. The vp pins grip and dig into anything, in all weather. Including shin and ankle meat. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bu

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Of course you can change the pins to hollow, they even come in different lengths, but hey, nothing like buying brand new stuff only to have replace part of it before you use it -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To uns

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

I just looked at the Sabots, I would not recommend them if you want your feet to stay put. The pins are the rounded off type, not the hollow point ones, huge difference. No wonder Dave's feet slid off. With the hollow point pins that would not have happened. I have ridden in driving rain with Vi

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Thanks, Dave; Sabots and these Power Grips clones might be the best compromise, which is somewhat adequate retention while accommodating all shoes. On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 7:14 PM, 'Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch < rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote: > My only experience with the Hold-Fas

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

My only experience with the Hold-Fast straps is with VO Sabot pedals. In that case retraction hasn't been a problem because the pins on the pedal aren't that tall and are rounded. I tightened the straps to the point that they're snug, but not so tight they were cutting off blood flow to my toe

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Thanks, Garth. More good information to feed into the knowledge mill. No, I've never tried no-ret, at least, not since about 1972 -- actually, had a grocery store Raleigh Sprite in WDC circa 1986-8 with rubber blocks, but since then, nope. I keep meaning to try it but haven't gotten a round tuit y

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Hollow point pins, the most common, grip anything soft. Depending on the softness it may even create voids in the sole. I This happens on Crocs slides I wear and my feet do not move at all on tne pedals, but since the the sandals fit somewhat loose my feet move around a bit, whatever is natural.

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

some of us have to check everything. :-) On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 4:21:02 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Ooooh medical tape. Maybe. I'll rewatch th

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Thanks, Deacon. One more very useful data point. On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Barefoot and pins, no. Thin, flat sandals work great with pins. You should > be just fine. You may find a grippier rubber sole grips better, but you'll > get a lot of grip short of a wooden

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Barefoot and pins, no. Thin, flat sandals work great with pins. You should be just fine. You may find a grippier rubber sole grips better, but you'll get a lot of grip short of a wooden clog. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 4:45:25 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Whoo

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Whoops! Good point! You might have saved me from yet one more expensive Trial And Error experiment, with the result being the Error. But this raises a question: do the pins work to hold any shoe in place -- eg, the Sperry boat shoes I'm wearing right now? Or do you need to buy special grippy soles

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

I've never tried this, but wouldn't pins be somewhat redundant on a pedal with straps? Also, wouldn't the pins make foot entrance/exit difficult? I was under the assumption that grippy pedals with pins were made for bmx or mtb applications where you wouldn't want straps. I have thin gripsters

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

BTW, I'm particularly interested in knowing if those Holdfasts retain better than slightly tightened straps, for the (climbing" reason mentioned. Do Power Grips hold your non-slotted-cleat shoe in place better than just slightly tight straps? On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Thanks, Chris. I will indeed try retentionless, if I do get the Gripsters or the VO Sabot (which takes clips and straps). But I so often pull rather strongly upward or backward when climbing that in fact, rather than either of these, I may simply go back to SPDs. On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:30 AM,

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Hi Patrick, Have you tried just using flat pedals without straps? I use them on my multi speed and fixed gear and have not had a problem with my feet flying off. On the fixed gear, which sees a lot of offroad, slow cadence hill climbing, I am able to pull on the upstroke by pointing my toe down

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 3:12:47 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to > the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. > > Without checking , I will wager the cost of a pair of HoldFast straps that > it

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Thanks, Dave, for bringing a small measure of sanity to this discussion recently gotten out of hand. I checked out the VO Sabots last month, to see if they accept clips 'n' strap; and yes, they do -- a plus. I've moved the Sabots once again to the top of the list, as able to take clips/straps as w

[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

I bet the white tape on his feet was common athletic tape, the kind of stuff used to tape ankles and all body parts in athletics, so I agree with Christopher as it could also be called medical tape by medical folk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "R

[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Back to the subject For touring I use Hold-Fast straps with VO Sabot pedals, which for purposes of this discussion are similar to the Thin Gripsters. The pedals are well made and have a large 100mm by 100mm platform, which when coupled with the large-size Hold-Fast straps accommodate my siz

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Ooooh medical tape. Maybe. I'll rewatch the movie and make a judgement. Who's in the pool for: Electrical tape Scotch tape Newbaums -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving email

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

I always thought it was medical tape, the cloth stuff with glue so strong it would reopen the cut when you tried to pull it off. Chris On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 5:12:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to > the pedals

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Sorry, only willing to wager the cost of a roll of masking tape. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to > the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. > > Without checking , I will wager th

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Patrick Moore implied that duct tape was employed to attach Daves feet to the pedals during the Little 500 at the end of Breaking Away. Without checking , I will wager the cost of a pair of HoldFast straps that it was not duct tape, but masking tape. Bill Pedal Pedant Lindsay El Cerrito Ca

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

It let Dave Stoller win, but I expect more than Dave Stoller. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Garth wrote: > >Duct tape will work !!! It's the Xth wonder of the world you know > .. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" g

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

Just for the record, "cloaca" means, archaically, "sewer", avian or not. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > You're becoming a conceptual bird? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Thems These And Those: >

Re: [RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

A conceptually confused canary. Ciao! Catrick. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > You're becoming a conceptual bird? > > With abandon, > Patrick > > On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Thems These And Those: >> >> https://www.rivbike

[RBW] Re: Grim Hipsters, Holdfasts

You're becoming a conceptual bird? With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 1:57:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Thems These And Those: > > https://www.rivbike.com/products/thin-gripster-pedals-dark-grey-vp-001 > > (Grim Hipsters instead of Thin Gripsters is from the Blug, so it'