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oops, just saw the tear - my eye went right to the ridge... > > > On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 9:29:09 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote: >> >> >> >> >>

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Tony, that saddle would develop a worse ridge by tightening the nose screw. Only hope would be lacing it. On Sunday, December 11, 2016 at 9:29:09 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote: > > >

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My old 'wright' leather saddle must have been listening to me rave about the Rivet and decided to give up the ghost... I think it could have been

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Those are definitely NOT Rivet rivets! Not a Rivet, for sure! - Elton Pope-Lance Natick, MA > On Dec 11, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > > SA, definitely not Rivet > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch"

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[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

ian m Is this a SA or a Rivet?? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 11:11:44 AM UTC-5, ian m wrote: > Here is a pic of my saddle for comparison > > > > > >>

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I mentioned $99 SA sale price in the context of people willing to give the saddle a try rather than value. On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 10:00:30 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > I don't think it's feasible to expect Berthoud saddles to cost $99. The > leather they use is scarce and

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On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 1:00:30 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > I've bought several from an ebay store located in Montreal Canada for > under $200 and have nothing but good things to say about them. Clearly > not a replacement for Bill Laine, but a worthwhile resource

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I've bought several from an ebay store located in Montreal Canada for under $200 and have nothing but good things to say about them. Clearly not a replacement for Bill Laine, but a worthwhile resource nonetheless. Also worth knowing about: if you have a question about Berthoud saddles you

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On 12/09/2016 11:18 AM, George Schick wrote: "...There is no panacea when it comes to saddles..." Amen to that. Also, things change over time. No kidding. I used Brooks Team Pros for close to 40 years, and B.17s for more than a dozen years with perfect satisfaction, and then one day

[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

Speaking of price, I surfed around to find out what they (Berthoud's) do cost and the first place that popped up was Wallbike. But the site just contained an announcement saying that Bill's hanging it up as of Dec. 2nd and easing into retirement. I hate to see him close down - it always felt

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I think it's about price more than anything. Berthoud saddles start at what ~$200? If you saw them on sale for $99 more people would be giving them a try. On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 7:48:17 PM UTC-8, Bill in Roswell GA wrote: > > I find it a bit funny that we never hear about the

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Here are some pics from and old post that compare the B-17 and Berthoud Aspin. https://www.flickr.com/photos/flickr_lee/sets/72157625777465234/ On Friday, December 9, 2016 at 8:25:29 AM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 12/08/2016 10:48 PM, Bill in Roswell GA wrote: > > I find it a bit

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"...There is no panacea when it comes to saddles..." Amen to that. Also, things change over time. When I started leaning toward "serious cycling" back in the early 70's I road bikes that the saddle jacked way up higher than the handlebars. It more or less had to be if one wanted to stick to

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On 12/08/2016 10:48 PM, Bill in Roswell GA wrote: I find it a bit funny that we never hear about the Berthoud saddles any more. I guess most folks realized that a Brooks/Rivet/SA is more comfortable for most people. However, even a used Berthoud goes for not much less than near new price.

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we just did - good job... I think Berthoud are fine saddles, and it's all my buddy rides. I've never sprung for one, so couldn't give a review. On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 9:48:17 PM UTC-6, Bill in Roswell GA wrote: > > I find it a bit funny that we never hear about the Berthoud saddles

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I have a Berthoud Mente on my Seven Cafe Racer and I like it just fine. It is thick leather but broke in nicely within a reasonable amount of time. That said, I am thinking of swapping it out for one of my B17 Select spares I have. Not much on the web about them and I agree they seem to be a

[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

I find it a bit funny that we never hear about the Berthoud saddles any more. I guess most folks realized that a Brooks/Rivet/SA is more comfortable for most people. However, even a used Berthoud goes for not much less than near new price. Would be interesting to try one as I tend to like

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It's fine if I click on it to display it in another window. Bill On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:56:19 AM UTC-8, ian m wrote: > > I just realized the picture I posted is strangely squished, don't know how > that happened. Still not sure how that would equate to thinking it was > stretched

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that's exactly what Team Pro is for - it's shaped very different from B17 On Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 1:06:52 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote: > > If the B-17 is the wrong shape for drop-bar riding, what about the Team > Pro? I've had several of those over the years on road bikes and the

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S-A also did an interesting crowdfunded project to make a leaf-dampened full carbon version of their saddle, for you weight weenies out there. It looks nuts! And it costs $400. KJ On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:22:48 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote: > > I received an email from Selle Anatomica

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If the B-17 is the wrong shape for drop-bar riding, what about the Team Pro? I've had several of those over the years on road bikes and the only thing I didn't like about it was the lack of bag loops (which can be rectified by an add-on device). On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:22:59 PM

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I am on the side of thumbs up for SA. I'm a mostly commuter, sometimes rando/bikepacker. I've tried B17 (good shape, pretty), Rivet Pearl (good shape, too stiff), and Selle Anatomica X (old writeup here: https://stonehog.com/2012/08/02/leathersaddles/), and replaced all my saddles with the

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John, The Brooks Imperial is a B-17 with a cut out. I recently got the SA X with cut out for $99. I think I will have to drill it and use a zip tie to fine tune it. If you like the b-17 check out the Imperial. On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 4:52:36 PM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote: > I actually

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Now that is one sagged saddle! On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 1:56:19 PM UTC-5, ian m wrote: > > I just realized the picture I posted is strangely squished, don't know how > that happened. Still not sure how that would equate to thinking it was > stretched beyond the tension bolt -- You

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I just realized the picture I posted is strangely squished, don't know how that happened. Still not sure how that would equate to thinking it was stretched beyond the tension bolt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

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Huh? There is half the bolt length left to further tension the saddle if I felt like destroying it. The bolt hasn't been turned for at least a year, I have no need to tension it any more as it is perfect the way it is -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

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I wouldn't call that not stretching past the end of the stretch bolt. On my Rivet, the saddle really did stabilize and quit stretching after 100 mi. On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 at 10:11:44 AM UTC-6, ian m wrote: > > Here is a pic of my saddle for comparison > > >

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Here is a pic of my saddle for comparison My sit bones are well behind the seatpost so no threat of sagging until they hit. There is no problem and nothing wrong with this saddle.

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I grabbed a spare at $140 when we heard this, and it was timely for me. But I've also heard since that Brooks is not discontinuing the Select. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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The B17 Select is one of my favorite saddles which was why I was so bummed when Brooks discontinued making them. I've had good luck with B17s, B-67s, B17 Specials, and the B-68. The Pros are gorgeous and I can ride them but not my favorites for comfort. I have a B17 Narrow which I can not

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Also want to add that my history with B17 Special and B17 Champion is equally glum - - both stretched and developed bad ridges to the point that I had to lace them S. Texas summer sweat could be a factor in this, but

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OK, but this was the first 8 miles on my first S-A - it stretched so much the front of the saddle actually let go of the stretch bolt - this was stopped at a bike shop to borrow some tools to fix it. This took most of the stretch bolt and finally bent a rail.

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Hahaha. Love it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

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I must be one of those that the X fits, I call it my "taint hammock" and it is by far the most comfortable saddle I've ever been on. B17 on my Atlantis with Albas and the X on my Noodled Ram. On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 7:14:35 AM UTC-7, ian m wrote: > > I am honestly surprised people have

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I'm not debating that point. My brooks have some sag. It's the amount or tendency of the material to sag that's the problem. On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 1:50:16 PM UTC-8, ian m wrote: > > If the leather is taut with no slack it doesn't hammock your sit bones. If > it doesn't hammock your

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I actually preferred the looks of the SA. It looks just right on a slim-tubed steel bike like a Riv. Even the looks of the 'hammock' was fine by me. But one of mine would routinely sag so severely that I could (just barely) feel the top of the seatpost while riding. Not comfortable. Maybe I

[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

If the leather is taut with no slack it doesn't hammock your sit bones. If it doesn't hammock your sit bones each side wont move independently of the other. That movement combined with the slot to relieve perineal pressure are what make the saddle comfortable. Like I said I purchased my first

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Not about looks it's about comfort. Sagging too much then it's uncomfortable. The company line that it's supposed to sag a lot IMO seems more like an excuse than an actual design choice. yes out of the box it's more comfortable than a brooks. But a brooks gets more comfortable over time a

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For me it wasn't the sagging of the SA it was the bending of the super long rails over a century distance ride that did me in... I did find the saddle to be pretty comfy. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Daniel D. wrote: > Not about looks it's about comfort. Sagging too

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Not about looks it's about comfort. Sagging too much then it's uncomfortable. I'm not sure which came first the excessive sagging or their customer service response of "it's supposed to sag and warning about over-tensioning":p. yes out of the box it's more comfortable than a brooks. But a

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Thanks Ian. I was feeling like the Lone Ranger. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 9:14 AM, ian m wrote: > > I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past > the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before

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I just installed my fourth new SA. In my last comment I neglected to say, I had to do some prep work on my last saddle. I took coarse sandpaper and sanded down the edges to provide a rounded edge. I also carefully peened down the edge of the name plate so it won't tear up my shorts. Some mink

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I realize sagging is part of their design but when you get a saddle whose shirt goes from (nearly) vertical to horizontal - I have a fit problem with that. Believe me, I wanted to like the saddle and am no stranger to leather ones. On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 9:25:23 AM UTC-5, ian m

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The main take-away if you want to use a SA saddle is that it is *supposed* to sag. It's part of the design, not a flaw. If you are more interested in the saddle looking a certain way than feeling a certain way you will not be happy with these saddles. The cut-out is a life changer Also I don't

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I am honestly surprised people have managed to stretch the SA leather past the length of the tension bolt. I have a Titanico (original model before T, X, ) I've had for about 5 years. Put countless miles on it, rode it on a week long tour, commuted on it, you name it. Still going strong. I

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I ride B17 Select on upright and semi-upright moustache bike. I ride Rivet Indy on my drop-bar road bike. Went through two S-A saddles and each lasted 6 months to the end of the stretch bolt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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John, I own and have ridden B17's, a Rivet Pearl Ti and an first-year-of-production SA. They are quite different, and for me suit different purposes . The Rivet is narrow through the waist and nose, which eliminates a lot of thigh rub, but also makes it ride like a narrower saddle than the

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I've considered doing the same thing. No better candidate than an old, spent saddle! ;-) KJ On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 4:22:09 PM UTC-5, Les Lammers wrote: > > Kieran, > > I may drill my SA, it's the newer one rated for 250 pounds, and use zip > ties to keep it from splaying. YMMV. > > On

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Kieran, I may drill my SA, it's the newer one rated for 250 pounds, and use zip ties to keep it from splaying. YMMV. On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 1:18:26 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote: > Among other saddles, I've tried the B17, the Rivet Pearl and the regular > S-A (not X) from a couple of

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Among other saddles, I've tried the B17, the Rivet Pearl and the regular S-A (not X) from a couple of generations (although not one of their current 'plate logo' versions). My impressions are that the Rivet is a nice composition in feel between the B17 and S-A. It combines elements of each,

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Thanks for all the feedback everyone. I'm glad I asked. Between the lukewarm to bad reports on the SA and the glowing reviews I found in previous posts about Rivet, I think I'll hold off and spend the extra money for the Rivet. I was leaning that way anyway since I had met the woman who

[RBW] Re: Holiday Saddle question

I had a Brooks Special and could never get real comfortable on it, even after ten years. I tried a Selle Anatomica and now have them on all three of my bikes. Once they get a little beausage, they look better. I only had the sides of the saddle bother me in technical single track. After an

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I recently got the X-Series https://selleanatomica.com/products/x-series The edges are not rolled but I'll drill holes and use zip ties. Years ago I sent them a B-17 and they did a cutout. I still have it and like it but the Sell has longer rails and is more adjustable. You do get a 30 money

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I purchased a Selle Anatomica last year. I was pretty disappointed at the finish quality when I took it out of the box. Much lower quality leather and general detailing than the cheaper Brooks B-17 it replaced. But I figured a saddle was meant to be saddled, so I wouldn't be seeing it much