[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I confess I've wished for canti bosses on my Homer, mainly though I just want to run Paul Mini-Motos because they stop so much better than any sidepull/centerpulls I've used with about the same clearance. I think for brakes cantilever bosses cost a little more but offer superior clearance in

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Well, this has been interesting :) Thanks to those who offered opinions and comments, which I think are netted out below: - aesthetics ... sidepulls look right on a road bike - now that the homer and atlantis are made in taiwan, and pretty much clones of their formerly-cheaper taiwan

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Could be that choice of brake pads may improve (or not) your braking power, at least in my experience. My side-pull brakes work great here in hilly rainy Seattle. That said, lately I’m having not-so-great results with salmon pads in dry weather. They were recommended for wet conditions over

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I told Joe I would help him set them up, but he balked at paying for my flight out there. Oh well. Them's the brakes. On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 11:08:17 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote: > > Doesn’t brake function correlate to set up? Mark said his Dia-Compe CPs > work fine. Joe said his were abysmal.

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Overlap among Grant’s designs has existed for a long time. Weren’t the Road Standard and Long Low models similar but for some small differences? Much like todays Joe App and the new Atlantis. Re: brake comments Doesn’t brake function correlate to set up? Mark said his Dia-Compe CPs work fine.

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Hope he has a pair of the excellent crochet gloves from Riv. Personally, I use my pump , . On Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 12:00:56 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Sorry, I already sold them to some poor soul who is currently grabbing his > front wheel with

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Sorry, I already sold them to some poor soul who is currently grabbing his front wheel with his hand to stop in time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I guess I am the Dia Compe/Weinmann 750 brake whisperer. They stop my bikes most fabulously. I'd ask you to please send the offending calipers to me, but I already have extras waiting for a new build. On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 12:14:24 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Yes, the long reach

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

In that case, I wish the 51 Roadini (my size) came in 650B! On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 8:43:35 AM UTC-7, lconley wrote: > > Pacenti makes a fairly light 28 spoke "Brevet" wheelset in 650B. That is > what I am using to build up a 48cm Roadini for a friend. > > Laing > Cocoa FL > > On

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Yes, the long reach Dia-Compes are abysmal. I replaced with Pauls Racers and it's a drastic improvement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Pacenti makes a fairly light 28 spoke "Brevet" wheelset in 650B. That is what I am using to build up a 48cm Roadini for a friend. Laing Cocoa FL On Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 11:26:45 AM UTC-4, Linda G wrote: > With a PBH of 80 I like the 650b wheel size. No or reduced toe overlap and > the

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Less lever effort required for a given amount of braking power? That turned out to be what everybody meant about disc brakes "having more power," perhaps it's true here too.   Or, possibly, some old centerpulls really don't have all that much braking power, and in the wet that shows up?  I've

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

With a PBH of 80 I like the 650b wheel size. No or reduced toe overlap and the bike just looks more in proportion. But really light wheels (24/28 spoke rims and "racing" hubs) are not available in that size to my knowledge. So 700c is better for a go-fast. I like v-brakes a lot. They work in

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Another data point: I just road a very wet, very muddy Farmer's Daughter gravel ride with center pulls, stopped just fine. My Le Tour mixte city bike has them as well, and gets ridden rain or shine. Traditionalist who ride mostly dry roads? That almost sounds like an insult;^) These brakes

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I like the old centerpulls on my Fuji 650B conversion, strong braking with good modulation... until they get wet, then they're crap until the rims are cleared. Compare that to the V brakes on my Black Mountain, which are strong all the time. And have better tire clearance. So put me in the

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I don't have any special insight to Rivendell's thinking, but I will guess that cantilever bosses add cost. If you don't need to run extra large tires (42mm seems to be around the limit for Tektro's R559), then why incur the cost? The fork crown already has a cast-in brake hole, and all

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Lots of folks are intimidated by cantilever brakes. That's just a fact. In any case, until you get beyond 42mm tires, centerpulls work fine--my Dia Compes allow the easy installation and removal of a 700x43 BG Rock and Road with no deflation. Not sure what the clearance is for the biggest

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

[image: Image result for legolas bicycle] On Monday, May 28, 2018 at 4:51:28 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote: > > For me on a "road bike" build sans a stack of racks and bags, the choice > would be aesthetics: I think a lightish steel road bike looks "right" with > sidepulls. -- You received

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I believe consolidating to canti/v-brakes posts on all models would actually add, rather than reduce, redundancy. Riv has a small but rather varied line-up but one thing I think really sets them apart is the fact that even the Roadini/Roadeo are designed and made to handle more

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Why stop with brakes? Maybe Riv should just have one model, all things for all people right? Your choice whether you want to run 23 mm tires or 63 mm tires! One frame tubing spec, one wheel size, for all! Any color you want, as long as it is grilliver? /sarcasm I agree with the poster that

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

We should also remember that it was Grant that convinced Tektro to start producing the R559 (aka "Silver") caliper with it's 55-76mm reach and clearance for ~38mm tires and fenders, and this brake was basically the raison d'etre for the first A. Homer Hilsens. So it makes sense that he would

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I believe cantis means Riv would have to make tubing choices to accommodate the stress on the fork and seat stay. When I was looking at getting a MUSA AHH but a canti version, they told me that the fork and seat stay would have to be beefed up a little and if I was okay with that. On Monday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

I tend to agree with your point. What seems to have started as cheaper/more expensive versions of models for USA vs taiwan reasons, feels somewhat silly now. I don’t really understand keeping joe and Atlantis or Sam and homer, since they are now functionally equivalent frames made in the same

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

For me on a "road bike" build sans a stack of racks and bags, the choice would be aesthetics: I think a lightish steel road bike looks "right" with sidepulls. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Hey Patrick, evidently yes, at least Riv says that's how you'd pick between them. From the new Riv catalog, emphasis mine: "Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, *but the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones, and you can pick by color or brake type*."

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Hey Joe, yep I agree making "*all models essentially the same v-brake bike* would...reduce sales". To clarify to you and others, that's not what I was suggesting. I was wondering out loud if all Riv models (and they would be different models with different purposes) had only canti/V, all if

Re: [RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

This I don't get. Are buyers choosing between very similar or identical frames or bikes because of the type of rim brake? On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 11:59 AM, tc wrote: > Hey Joe, yep I agree making "*all models essentially the same v-brake > bike* would...reduce sales". > -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

Not concerned about the weight, but I do prefer side / center pull brakes unless I want more clearance than they provide. It would make me sad if all future Roadeo Roadini and AHH frames were canti / v brake only. Sams have gone back and forth a few times. With the new MIT AHH bringing that

[RBW] Re: Model redundancy: Why not offer only canti/V brakes on all models? Why not offer a 650b on every model?

> > I have no idea whatsoever on the running a business as such ... or what > inspires a person and in what ways . Who am I to say ... "you should or > should not do this or that or the other" ? Based on what assumptions and > presumptions but of myself ? As far as I'm concerned I'd be