[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-07-16 Thread Mark Roland
Definitely looks close to the official ATMO red. On Tuesday, July 14, 2020 at 8:35:17 PM UTC-4, Michael Baquerizo wrote: > > rad red (ish) atmo > > > to clarify, this isn't the new color. i asked riv to have my new same > painted (first riv). looking foward to receiving it and hoping they

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-07-06 Thread Evan E.
Tuxedo Sam (black with cream accents, kind of like a fresh-poured Guinness). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-07-05 Thread dustin schaber
This is the green I have in mind. Speculation http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/02/custom-rivendell-all-arounder.html On Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 7:39:29 PM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote: > > What was Joe Bell Green? > > > On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 6:26:24 PM UTC-4 dustin schaber wrote: > >>

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-07-02 Thread Joel Stern
What was Joe Bell Green? On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 6:26:24 PM UTC-4 dustin schaber wrote: > One of the colors the new Canti Sams will wear is “Joe Bell” Green, aka > The Green customs used to be 爛 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-22 Thread Vincent Tamer
I'm hoping Sam can be my next bike (no less than 5 years from now). I am a Clem owner so I think a Sam would be the perfect compliment. I dig the Black and Cream as well as the Sage! On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote: > > The Email Newsletter from Rivendell

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-22 Thread Will Ashe
Here is Roman's sage Sam donning a mix of black and silver bits. This is one of my favorite staff builds > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-20 Thread Surlyprof
I own the original Hillborne orange (maybe 2009 or ‘10) which is almost pearlescent shifting to shades of gold in the sunlight. I love both the color and fit of that second generation size 56 frame (when they shifted the top tube down to 57.5). That said, I thought the black and cream was one

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Lyman Labry
Black for my money. Elegant. On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:39 PM Reid Echols wrote: > The black and cream, for my money :) I’d love a grilver one too, though. > > Reid in Austin > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread R Shannon
Sage is such a versatile color. Much like the gray on Joe’s custom:-) Best, Rich in ATL Sent from my iPhone > On May 19, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Will Ashe wrote: > >  > I'm with Joe. The sage was my favorite Sam color. I think they look great > with black bits. > >> On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Will Ashe
I'm with Joe. The sage was my favorite Sam color. I think they look great with black bits. On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 1:14:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > My impression is it's a previous Sam color. Sage Green wasn't real popular > but the Riv crew loved it (me, too)..my guess is they'll

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Jason Fuller
Whether the current Sam is too long, too short, or just right certainly depends on your body type but for me, it's perfect. I have a 51 that fits me spot on, and I believe strongly that in order to really love a bike, it can't just be close - it needs to fit. For my 50cm drops I run a 5cm

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Joe Bernard
My impression is it's a previous Sam color. Sage Green wasn't real popular but the Riv crew loved it (me, too)..my guess is they'll give it another run. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Fryfam
For those of us with short torsos and long legs, and a strong preference for drop bars, 2cm can make a huge difference in comfort over a 3-4 hr ride Market interest in custom or limited release stems seems mostly fueled by the overabundance of long TT framesets in a world moving in the

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch
Same shade of Orange used in the Jeep Sport vehicle. Not flat, but with some metallic in it to shine.. John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread David Johnston
I think MTB's were steered to long top tube short stem route because of Fat 29er wheels and long travel suspension. Doesn't mean it doesn't work well, but it's not unheard of for the bicycle world to sell a compromise as a feature. Maybe 650b wheels are the better compromise? I admit to being one

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread j.schwartz
Root Beer! On Tuesday, May 19, 2020 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > Getting back to the original topic, what is the old color being brought > back for the new batch if Hillbornes? I would guess by the wording that > it’s not a color that was previously used for Hillbornes.

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Patrick Moore
It seems that many riders are very happy with short stems and bars compensating for longer top tubes. I'd have to try such a combination before I paid for one, but it seems there are many different ways to skin a cat -- so to speak. And now I recollect that modern mountain bikes have similar

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-19 Thread Fryfam
My 58cm Fuji TSV had a 56cm top tube. My 58cm Romani a 55.5cm top tube. Best fitting bikes I've owned. Would love to see a Sam with a slightly shorter top tube. I believe there would be interest in such geo given the seemingly (?) growing market for shorty stems... and a 100mm Nitto looks

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Eamon Nordquist
Clayton, I'd probably need the zero offset stem to fit noodles on the current 59 Atlantis. Obviously, the 70 degree head angle can get the bars a lot closer, but only by having the bars much higher than I want). Yes, it could be done for me, but only just. The 55 Atlantis, with its 59cm top

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Eamon, What stem length and which upright bars would you run on the 59 Atlantis? What top tube length and stem length would you need on an Atlantis to run Noodles? Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 6:15:20 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > Clayton, most people I know, if

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Drw
The analog stem is no joke. I run a 30mm one on a MUSA Atlantis that fits me like a glove and fit me like a glove before the short stem. It has improved comfort, and handling especially off road. It’s definitely stiffer than a longish technomic, so maybe that’s the handling improvement I feel.

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Eamon Nordquist
Clayton, most people I know, if changing from drops to upright bars on the same bike, would use a longer stem for the uprights. That’s not an emotional decision. For myself, if on a 59 Atlantis with its 64cm top tube, I’m not running anything but upright bars on it. I bet it’s great too, but

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas. These bars often put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis. But, the same people throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that usually (unless you reverse the stem!)

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Joe Bernard
Patrick: I had a 53cm MIT Atlantis that came to me from Analog Cycles with a 0 stem and flared drops. Later I ran a shorty - maybe it was 50mm - stem with a Jones Loop. Granted I'm not a trail rider and not particularly sensitive to slight differences in road handling, but the frame rode the

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
One more observation. People accept and love handlebars like Bosco, Losco, Jones and Albas that put your hands behind the steertube/steering axis, but throw their hands in the air over sub 40mm stems paired with drops that place the hands still well ahead of the steertube/steering axis.

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Hi Patrick, This will all sound a little vague and I am likely not describing it perfectly but here it goes: To answer the question about how handling changes with shorter stem: Personally I don't think it affects handling much *as long as it works within the overall bike bike/rider system*.

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Jason Fuller
For a traditional road bike, such a short stem might be strange but for a more all-road or all-terrain style bike, I think the long TT / short stem combo is great because it gets the front wheel further out in front of you for better stability / less chance of endo, reduces or eliminates toe

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Patrick Moore
How do such short stems affect the handling of the Atlantis? I use stems on my Riv Roads that are short by conventional standards -- 8 cm, and I absolutely insist on drop bars with sufficiently long ramps (but short-hooded Shimano aero levers and not the very long brifter levers), and insist on a

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread David Johnston
It is nice that stems and seatposts are now available to make so many bike frames work for a variety of riders with the huge variety of handlebars out there. I haven't done it yet but I'd like to try Drops on my old 1989 Miyata MTB. Maybe I'll become a convert of longer top tube shorter stem

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
Just to be clear, I am not advocating reversing stems, what I am getting at is more along the lines of a 30-50mm stem vs. a 100-120mm stem. Clayton Scott HBG, CA On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 10:58:17 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > There are benefits to one-size-fits all bicycles like

Re: [RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread David Johnston
There are benefits to one-size-fits all bicycles like Bromptons. I suppose there are benefits to reversing your 8cm stem and running a 16cm longer top tube, but I think I prefer the benefits of a bike that actually fits. On 5/18/20, Clayton Scott wrote: > A few thoughts: > > - Completely agree

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
A few thoughts: - Agree to keep the Hillborne as is. Keep cantis too. Just to have some diversity in the line up. - Short stem and drops: Personally I don't see it as "making it work". There are even benefits to it: longer wheelbase is possible, less TCO or similar TCO but with bigger tires

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Clayton Scott
A few thoughts: - Completely agree to keep the Hillborne as is. Keep cantis too. - Short stem and drops: Personally I don't see it as "making it work". There are even benefits to it: On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 9:35:13 AM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > To each their own, but if that

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Jason Fuller
I've said more than once that I'd rather a second Hillborne than any other bike, that's how much I love the Hillborne - this might make me put my money where my mouth is! Haha.. (and to explain, I'd have one set up with drops, slicks, and fenders - and the other would have knobbies and an

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread Eamon Nordquist
To each their own, but if that is “making drop bars work”, it’s not for me. I’m not afraid of short stems either. But, hey, it’s all about what works for each individual. I just think the new longer bikes are designed for swept back bars, and if you are near the bottom end of the pbh range for

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-18 Thread James / Analog Cycles
New MIT Atlantis frames worth fine with shorter reach drop bars and 30mm or 0mm stems. No need to size down. -James / Analog Cycles / Discord Components / Etc etc https://www.instagram.com/p/Bk8H2AKhPiD/ [image: DSC07236-1.jpg] On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 10:56:07 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread Eamon Nordquist
The newest MIT Atlantis models do seem to have gotten even longer than the first round. I personally wouldn’t be able to fit dropbars to one without it going a size too small, and having way more stem and seat post than I would be happy with (short stem notwithstanding). I do hope the new

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread RichS
+1 on the black and cream color combination. I have a sidepull sage green Sam and often wish I had the black canti version as well. Hope Riv doesn't change a thing on what has been for me, an exceptional bike. Best, Rich in ATL On Sunday, May 17, 2020 at 4:08:37 PM UTC-4, John Bokman wrote: >

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread John Bokman
I don't know, but that old black was the nicest I've ever seen! That color really pops. Although I've got an Orange Sam, I'd be mighty tempted to get another in Black, assuming the dimensions/specs are the same on the forthcoming iteration. On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread Clayton Scott
The MIT Atlantis are excellent for drop bars. It might take some rethinking on what constitutes appropriate stem length though. There several advantages to shorter stem with longer frame. Clayton Scott HbG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread André P
My personal picks would be either hunqapillar green or the quickbeam silver. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-17 Thread Dave Johnston
I just hope they don't lengthen the chainstays and top tube. The current Atlantis, Joe's are no longer drop bar compatible and that is sad :( -Dave J On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 8:29:13 PM UTC-4, Grady Wright wrote: > > The Email Newsletter from Rivendell yesterday mentioned Sam Hillbornes are

[RBW] Re: New batch of Sam Hillbornes this fall.

2020-05-16 Thread eddietheflay
duh. orange. that'd be cool. On Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:29:13 PM UTC-7, Grady Wright wrote: > > The Email Newsletter from Rivendell yesterday mentioned Sam Hillbornes are > coming later this year and maybe in an older Rivendell color. Any guesses > what that color could be? -- You