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If the 56cm 650B Atlantis can take 2.2" knobbies, I wonder if you could squeeze some 2.35" slicks in there... https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_tires/racing_tires/G-ONE_Speed On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 11:20:14 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a

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Andy Asking for the pros and cons of 650B vs 26" deserves it's own thread, if you sincerely want this group to cover that ground for you. As the ~60th post on a thread that has nothing about your topic in the thread title or in my original post, you won't likely get the best perspectives

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I currently ride a 53 cm Bleriot , and am considering an Atlantis as the last bike I will ever buy, until the next one (N+1, you know.) But, I'm curious about the wheel size and the considerations for either 650B or

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Now that is interesting news. Please keep us updated. What will be different from the stock model? On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 8:50 AM, masmojo wrote: > I may have a semi-custom Hunq. In my near future .. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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This is a quote from an article written by Jeremiah Knupp and published in the April, 2016 edition of American Rifleman. The article is about one of Ernest Hemingway's favorite rifles but I think this paragraph is a perfect summation of how I feel about an Atlantis/Hunqapillar vs an LHT or

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I am envious! That sounds a great plan! Like you I also got my Atlantis on this board & I totally love it. I have several 650B bikes & in the middle frame sizes I think it makes the most sense. I consider myself to be at the lower limit of what is idesl for 650B & most frames my size are 26"

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I bought my Atlantis after quite a bit of discussion with Rivendell. I wanted a custom touring bike but after the measurements, questions about current bike, etc, they said, "Well, what we'd build would pretty much be an Atlantis with S couplings. How badly do you want that feature?" There

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They vigorously encouraged me to order the 56 Atlantis over the 59 that I had also considered, given that I'm doing a drop bar build. Brian was probably the one I've talked with the most about this particular bike. I haven't ordered a Hunqapillar yet, and still may end up on the 56 instead of

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A lugged steel frame made to order by Waterford in the USA sounds pretty custom to me. I don't agree with the conventional wisdom that a full custom - even one from Rivendell - always gets you a better bike if the Atlantis already fits, and does the stuff one wants to do with their $2300

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>From an Atlantis owner: absolutely worth the price of ownership. Regards, Richard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Bill, Did the folks at RivHQ give you a hard time for ordering bikes that are "too small" by their standards. There is a lot more than a Fistful of seatpost showing there. -Dave On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 2:20:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Today I visited RBW headquarters to order

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People who love their LHT and hate the Atlantis are better off with the LHT. People capable of specifying a custom frameset that is superior to a masterpiece like the Atlantis should go ahead and do that. People who love the Atlantis, but think it should cost $500 are doomed to be unhappy.

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I like the looks of the Atlantis, too. And I can see why those who own one tout it's general purpose effectiveness for everything from off-road to self supported touring. However, when bringing the model up as such an example during discussions on other blogs I frequently encounter push-back

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I love the looks of that Atlantis Bill! If there's a next Riv in my stable (ha! That's so funny...IF there's a next Riv...) it will be an Atlantis. I'll probably need a 61. I've never experienced toe overlap on any bikes so I think maybe that won't be anise for a 700c in 61. Am I right about

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Bill, super happy for you. I sold my 56cm Atlantis for a number of reasons one being the toe overlap the other tire width, too skinny. Looking forward to seeing the builds. I Love Radiolab. Drew can you share the audio link? Or share the the name and date of the episode? Without reading

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Wow! I'm really glad I ordered my Atlantis when I did. It took 2-1/2 months and I'm in the process of building it now. On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 11:20:14 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset. This year I sold > two 700c Rivendells (a 58cm

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Thanks for the report and pics! I'm surprised to see so much seat post showing on the 650b Hunq. I have a similar saddle height, so I also appreciate the pics. I re-entered the world of off-road biking a few years ago via a fat bike and later a 29er. So much different than the 26x1.95 we had

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well that's certainly an unbiased source On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:25:15 PM UTC-8, Kieran J wrote: > > Steve, who says I know nothing about it? No one has proven that. And why, > because I'm not a hunter? I've done more than my share of evidence-based > research into my eating habits

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Bill, Thanks for posting those photos with the saddles at 75.5cm. I know you offered to do this and I appreciate you following thru with it. On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:20:14 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset. This year I sold

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Yes. Obsessing over Toe Clip Overlap has for the first time in my life caused me to obsess over Front Center. Front Center is the distance between the front axle and the BB, center to center. I have a bike already that has 584x42 tires and fenders. The fenders clear the tires by 15mm.

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Bill Did the 650B with wide tires eliminate the TOC??? John Hawrylak Woodstown NJ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Hi Bill, Love your bikes. Your and inspiration for others with the +1 itch. I have an AHH and can't make up my mind to go +1 with a Hunq or an Atlantis. I live in Utah and manage construction projects. We always have to budget times into our project schedules for hunting season. Even in

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Sorry, Bill. I think we're done :-s Enjoy the Rivs. KJ On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 6:31:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Drew > > I do have a build sheet PDF for the 56cm Hunqapillar. Send me a PM and I > will email it to you. If you want to get it straight from Rivendell, email >

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George The mountain bike folks call ISO 584 "27.5". The same way the mountain bike folks call ISO 622 "29". The Atlantis I pictured in the OP had some 584x57 knobby tires on it. Bill On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 3:12:39 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote: > > Bill - thanks for steering the

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Drew I do have a build sheet PDF for the 56cm Hunqapillar. Send me a PM and I will email it to you. If you want to get it straight from Rivendell, email Brian. It does not have a Diagatube. To everybody else arguing back and forth about meat, please allow me to politely invite you to

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Choose your own adventure! A) Back on topic or B) Lock thread Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Steve, who says I know nothing about it? No one has proven that. And why, because I'm not a hunter? I've done more than my share of evidence-based research into my eating habits and the influential factors therein. Leah, I respect your position and agree to disagree. As far as the link you

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+1; if Keiren has given up meat, that's proof of real sincerity. But if the Rivendell Way is Paleo, how do we square this circle? Me, I eat meat sometimes, not often; and I'm not at all Paleo. On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:56 PM, LeahFoy wrote: > I can respect our

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I disagree, at least partly. I've shot exactly one real gun, a cheap .22, about 20 times, plinking at old appliances on the far west mesa desert, and that's it, apart from home-made firecracker matchlocks made in high school, but I truly believe that hunting, given the right circumstances, is

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Bill - thanks for steering the thread back to the OP. I have a question about the Atlantis, too: I'm a little fuzzy on what you mean by "27.5 x 2.2" knobbies". "27.5"? Can you put that into ISO terms, please. Thanks. On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 5:03:38 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: > >

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Do you have any info on the 56 hunq? I have an itchy feeling it may fit me better, but I'm curious about whether or not it will have a Diagatube. Also, for those who like their beliefs shaken, there is a great radiolab episode about hunting and I don't think you could listen to it without

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Edwin I am happy to try to steer this thread back to my original post. :-) First, on the Atlantis front: I had a 700c 58cm Atlantis. I bought the frameset used here on this group for $1000. At the time it came available it was too inexpensive to pass on, and I jumped at it. I did a really

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As far as I'm concerned you can eat what you like, but I think you are on very shaky ground taking a "moral stance" on something you obviously know nothing about (i.e., hunting). Especially since it's off topic. On 12/02/2016 05:49 PM, Kieran J wrote: I wrapped up my piece, but since you

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I can respect our differences, Kieren, especially because you've given up meat. That's real conviction - misguided, according to The Book of Leah, but genuine. Meat-eaters who get on their pedestal about hunting are a special kind of stupid, and there's just no kind way to say that. My

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I wrapped up my piece, but since you asked: in depth research into this topic and other food industry issues led me to stop eating meat long ago. Are you arguing against taking a moral stance on an important issue? KJ On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 5:45:47 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote: > > Do

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Do you think paying others to kill your food and wrap it nicely in saran wrap with nary a drop of blood gives you some kind of moral high ground? The average shopper doesn't give much thought that something had to die so they could eat. A hunter does... "violent rampage" comparing hunting

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Bill, I have seen you write about the quest for these two bikes, but am hazy on the details. Can you let us know why you are getting these two bikes, and what you are going to do with them? I like the look of both and can't wait to see your color. On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:20:14 PM

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Sure, nature can be cruel but the balance is there for a reason. Hunting for sport and unnecessary food stocks is indefensible, period. It's a practice steeped in tradition and dogma, like racism and fossil fuel extraction. It's a textbook display of human arrogance. I understand this is not

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Yeah why can't hunters get their meat from Safeway like everyone else. That way nothing has to die. "Violent rampage"SMH... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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I've never been hunting, but I can't imagine "violent rampage" is any kind of accurate description, no more so than "spree." I'm guessing you are "not from the culture"... On 12/02/2016 05:02 PM, Kieran J wrote: Sorry if I sounds confrontational, but in this day and age, you can't "be

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Kieran, do you know what happens to deer when there is overpopulation? You know not of what you speak. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Sorry if I sounds confrontational, but in this day and age, you can't "be respectful of wildlife" while also participating in a killing spree. Some of us get through life very well without feeling the need to go on a violent rampage .. Peace, KJ On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 4:13:15 PM

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Haha Jeff. I was trying to go for a PEOTUS speech transcript. Bill On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:15:52 PM UTC-8, sameness wrote: > > Holy Grant PetersEn Ghost Writer! I'd say today's visit really rubbed off > on you, if not your keyboard. > > Jeff Hagedorn > Los Angeles, CA USA > > On

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Argh! The insanity is spreading! Gonna be a lng 4 years (heavy sigh). dougP On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > OK, well, *practically *everybody. I'm telling you, if we had a vote, > believe me, it would be a landslide. I'm telling you a landslide.

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Bill, That's awesome. Sky in new west -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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Holy Grant PetersEn Ghost Writer! I'd say today's visit really rubbed off on you, if not your keyboard. Jeff Hagedorn Los Angeles, CA USA On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 1:11:05 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > OK, well, *practically *everybody. I'm telling you, if we had a vote, > believe

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I hail from North Dakota (which hereafter shall be referred to as God's Country) where deer hunting is also alive and well. There is no school on the opener to this day. Our friendly neighbors to the east in Minnesota are in muzzleloader season. One of my best friends just got her for a few

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OK, well, *practically *everybody. I'm telling you, if we had a vote, believe me, it would be a landslide. I'm telling you a landslide. The people, and these are all good honest people, have almost all of them played, all except those crooked people, duck duck something. Those people who

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"Everybody"...? There was no such game that I ever saw in New York City. We did have "Tag You're It," though; and of course, the two games that of all things you ever learned in school were best able to prepare you for a career as a bureaucrat, "Mother May I" and "Simon Says." On

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And, of course, for customs , you have to be really, really patient...that's one of the criteria ...and have other bikes to ride ...that's another But after seeing that purple Mixte a little while ago, I'm looking forward to what I'm gonna get. Anyway, Bill ...2 new rivendells sounds pretty

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This is just classic. I love it. Who knew? I feel like I did when I learned about Duck Duck Gray-Duck. Everybody played a game called "duck, duck, goose" in grade school, right? Wrong! Everybody*except *everybody from Minnesota. Everybody from Minnesota played a game called "duck,

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On 12/02/2016 03:21 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: Bill stated; "...everybody from Waterford takes massive time off for deer-hunting season!..." The "deer hunting season" phenomena is standard from central PA out through the Midwest, especially in the industrial areas. It may seem strange to

[RBW] Re: News around today's RBWHQ visit

Bill stated; "...everybody from Waterford takes massive time off for deer-hunting season!..." The "deer hunting season" phenomena is standard from central PA out through the Midwest, especially in the industrial areas. It may seem strange to west Coast foks, but is quite normal. John

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I was at a local Waterford dealer yesterday and two of the guys just ordered some Waterford frames. 2+months they were told. On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 2:20:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Today I visited RBW headquarters to order a frameset. This year I sold > two 700c Rivendells (a