In Indianapolis it seems more like 20s on Surly and 50+ on Madone or
Cervelo.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM, redsydude thaus...@q.com wrote:
When I was stationed at Hill AFB, Utah in the 1980s all my friends were
skiers so I randomly walked into a sporting goods store and, with the help
of
You know, the whole should we or shouldn't we intervene discussion has been
fascinating, but it misses the point somehow. By being together in the same
LBS, we are participating--along with the sales staff and the shop and any
potential customers--in a shared experience of bicycling interest.
When I was stationed at Hill AFB, Utah in the 1980s all my friends were
skiers so I randomly walked into a sporting goods store and, with the help
of a salesperson, bought some skies, boots and bindings. I skied for a few
years and progressed from the bunny hills to steeper slopes and was
I think that depends on whether you are talking unisex or not. I don't
think in NA there are that many 5'3 men. But women, there are lots of
5'3 women.
signed,
pedantic 6'7 guy.
p.s.: great thread. thankfully, the LBS I choose to frequent doesn't put
people on ill-fitting bikes.
On Sun, Jun
I have to say my new LBS is great. Lots of steel, some CF of course but if
you want to try a bike they say, hey we will dial it in how you want, go
for a few hour ride and see how it feels. That's the part of buying a bike
I never got, how looking at it and standing over it or even a 5 minute ride
Anne, Franklin and Willow model chart starts at 4' 11. Not sure about
Driggs modle.Jim D.Massachusetts
On Sunday, June 29, 2014 12:18:21 PM UTC-4, Anne Paulson wrote:
I'm really liking those Brooklyn Bicycle Company bikes. Good price point;
reasonable design;
Another bike to possibly consider are the city bikes from Brooklyn Bicycle
Co. I hadn't heard about this earlier, but apparently Grant P. is on
their board of directors and possibly had a hand in the design of their
bikes.
I'm really liking those Brooklyn Bicycle Company bikes. Good price point;
reasonable design; fenders/chainstay protectors included; they're not
feathers, but a young healthy woman should be able to carry a 28 pound bike
up a couple of flights of stairs.
I was going to recommend them to my niece
I get what you're saying by factoring in the price commitment, but what I was
thinking was that if it's gotten to the point where the salesperson has the
buyer seriously considering something like an $1800 Specialized road bike and
is telling them they will grow into tolerating its
They should do a pamphlet sized run of Just Ride, so we can carry around
extra copies to hand out...or is that too forward? haha.
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net
wrote:
I get what you're saying by factoring in the price commitment, but what I
was
That would actually be pretty easy to dummy something up... nice idea Peter!
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Their sizing chart starts at 5'-5. Seems like a size small is in
order. I'll bet in North America there are a lot more people @ 5'-3 tall
than 6'-5.
If Grant had as much influence as Brooklyn aludes to on their website,
perhaps this is bargain Riv that we talk about from time to time.
dougP
The Rivendellian version of Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormon elders. I can
see it now ...
Repent thee of thy narrow-tired, shoes-rused ways! Yea, before the day of
tribulation, when thou shalt dash thy racing tire against a stone!
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Peter Morgano
haha, I was thinking more like Grant's Little Red Book without all the
genocide and cultural cleansing and whatnot associated with that other red
book.
On Sun, Jun 29, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
The Rivendellian version of Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormon elders. I
In reverse order:
Little Red Ride Riv elders speech, LOL.
Isn't the Clem Smith Jr. Logo most likely the cheap Riv speculation?
Why is indexed shifting so tied to a point and go bike? Friction seems way
simpler to me, to ride and especially in mechanics. Move the lever one way to
go up, the
we've certainly had this discussion before. It's tough to get the word out
when the main spokesmen are 20-30-somethings who need to push cookie-cutter
bikes. Comfort is a four-letter word in cookie cutter bikes.
There are a few bastions of sanity
around
I think a good rule of thumb when checking out shops is to see if you can
find out what kind of bikes the shop mechanics ride. My LBS has a fairly
broad range of stuff on the floor and has been in business for 40 years.
They are also a Gunnar dealer in part because of me using them when I
I think certain Rivs are easily hop-on-and-go bikes. If a Rivendell such as the
Hillborne or Cheviot comes with indexed bar-end shifters and flat, normal-shoe
pedals, what is there on that bike that requires terminology or mechanical
experience that is any more prohibitive than typical
I think certain Rivs are easily hop-on-and-go bikes. If a Rivendell such
as the Hillborne or Cheviot comes with indexed bar-end shifters and flat,
normal-shoe pedals, what is there on that bike that requires terminology or
mechanical experience that is any more prohibitive than typical
I don't see that Rivendells require any more mechanical interest or
involvement than any other bike. The versatility of design allows one to
set-up the bike in a variety of ways. The Atlantis is an excellent case in
point. The old brochures show them in several guises - tourer, commuter,
Yes Tom... I'm talking about Chuck. You should stop by and chat ( and buy
something). He's on 101 and Vista in O'side now.
~mike
Carlsbad Ca.
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 9:23:04 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
Heya Mike,
Would you be talking Chuck Hoefer at Pacific Coast Cycles? Chuck built my
I've overhead similar pitches more than once. Common variants include
Once you get used to the riding position, it's really quite comfortable
and This gearing is fine once you get into shape. I think it's selling
what's on the floor regardless of customer need. It seems the young, fit
shop
The gearing is fine once you get in shape is my pet peeve. New riders
ought to buy a bike for their real selves, not their fantasy selves. This
guy was a Clydesdale. He should have been sold a bike appropriate for him--
but I didn't see any such bikes in this shop. Oddly, a door away was a bike
I am reminded of hanging out at a LBS one Sunday afternoon and watching a
young sales person try to sell a full suspension mountain bike to a middle
age women buying her first bike and wanting something for bike paths and
Vt's many dirt roads! I had to bite my tongue.
Michael
On Thursday,
I don't understand the tongue biting. Why not find a moment and say
something to the customer, quietly? Just something short and sweet to let
them know there are other options? A shop that doesn't lose customers
because they don't offer options won't add those options in the future, a
shop
The customers I see coming out of my local Trek bike shop with their newly
purchased bikes make my mouth drop.
One more reason to be happy you either own a Riv or at least know about
Riv.
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 10:49:53 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
On my recent Sierra to the Sea
I was once in an aisle of a sports shop and there were two fellows, one
advising (the expert friend), one looking to buy high performance clip-in
road shoes for his commute. I casually mentioned that flat pedals would
work well and he could ride to work in his regular shoes and that had
My favorite recent overheard at a bike shop story: I was in the local
gigantic bike retailer, where there's a special (large) room for all the
carbon bikes. The few times I've been in, that's where all the action is.
So, there's this couple there getting the sales job from the young racer
This reminds me of my local bike shop and the run around they gave me after
I discovered that the post-fit riding position they tried to shoehorn me
into was causing me pain. The owner of the shop tried to dissuade me
against getting Bosco handlebars, because he didn't recommend changing a
Yeah, the expert friend as the second person really changes the dynamic
over a pushy salesman, doesn't it? I agree with you, Ian, that walking away
there is the right call.
With abandon,
Patrick
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It's the Shoprat Wishlist.
The salesman pressures the customer into what he himself wishes he could
afford - barely used and at second hand prices - and voila! at some point
down the road, gear is showing up back at the shop or on Craigslist for his
ilk to get on the cheap.
On Thursday, June
I remember when Grant's book Just Ride was published. I asked our library
to buy a copy. I figured I could get more people to read it that way. So
the library bought a copy. Then they bought more. Today there are 13 copies
in our system, plus a license to provide electronic downloads.
I tried. I kept waiting for an opportunity to speak to her out of earshot
of the staff, but it never materialized.
Michael
On Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:53:41 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
I don't understand the tongue biting. Why not find a moment and say
something to the customer,
I know what you mean, and it's depressing for many of us almost
self-destructively try to support our LBS and then see the LBS do a
disservice to their clientele. When I was working the floor, I really
thought is was as simple as this: Which rider are you, or do you want to
be?
it's kinda nice at my LBS... if someone walks in asking about carbon bikes,
everyone would look at each other and chuckle. Every bike is steel (I
think), there are a mixed assortment of new Surly's and Salsa, some
Soulcrafts and a large number of vintage lugged steel bikes.
~mike
Carlsbad
Heya Mike,
Would you be talking Chuck Hoefer at Pacific Coast Cycles? Chuck built my
no holds barred Salsa Motoman in 1986. I still have it. I still ride it.
With the exception of the wretched U-brakes, it is a state of the art
bicycle today. Timeless.
In those days, the shop was on Elm
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