[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Ron Mc
On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:17:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. no there isn't. We don't like bike snobs on racing bikes, we don't like an industry that models itself after cutting-edge racing, and 30-something

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Montclair BobbyB
There are lots of similarities between the car industry (and how they appeal to individual tastes) and the bike industry... and it shouldn't surprise us that the type of person who gravitates towards sleek, fast sports cars may also gravitate towards sleek fast sporty bikes, that's all... I

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Ron Mc
I'm very glad your friend had a good experience. I could recommend bike shops here that likely sell exactly what he wants and others that can make any of us drool. The people you can't seem to find are out there. I can give you a bad bike shop reference if you want. -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Ron Mc
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[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Ron Mc
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[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
On Thursday, July 30, 2015 at 5:26:29 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 at 8:17:29 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: There's a definite negative attitude on this list toward racers. no there isn't. Gosh, I sure perceive one, and it started at the source. It pervaded the

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Garth
Laughing . Oh No ! . . . . there's attitudes here ? Implying one attitude is somehow better or worse than another ? How silly am I !So I ask myself . . .. when I detect an attitude , or a jerk , or see snobs on the road and in all walks of life . . . . . can I even

Re: [RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Eric Norris
Well said. “I think he doesn’t like me, so I don’t like him” did a lot to get this world where it is today. Everybody has problems, and everybody thinks they’re right. Keep that in mind when you’re snobbing on someone who’s different from you. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-30 Thread Patrick Moore
The young pup still has to learn how to pass someone with credit. First, you blow past at *at least* a 5 mph differential; second, you control your panting so that you can keep your mouth closed and nose breath as you go by. Third, you must be in the hooks. Fourth, you casually lift your *right

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Doug Williams
I just think that racing has a negative impact on bike design for the general public. Keep BORAF and races like that if you want, but I would like to see many more real world races on real world bikes which would influence bicycle purchases in a POSITIVE rather than a negative manner. Current

Re: [RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Make that: If you were on a Clem, you'd be done by now. On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 10:52 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: The pro cycling people must have very good reasons to ride what they ride. I don't think these people are dummies. While I am not enamoured with them, I have

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-29 Thread Mark Reimer
I'm another Riv rider who loves racing. I'm actually a co-organizer of the Canadian Cyclocross National Championships for the past two years, and also race the odd road race and (gasp) even a crit or two. Racing can be a LOT of fun. Not racing is super fun too. Point being, riding bikes rules,

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-28 Thread George Millwood
I love watching the BORAF. Here in Oz, I have to sit up to 02:00 to watch the live broadcast on free to air.The scenery is fabulous, the photography is stunning and the peleton is a riot of colour and movement. What's not to like? This year there seemed to be some human frailty in the riders

[RBW] Re: Racer loves Rivendell

2015-07-28 Thread Lungimsam
The pro cycling people must have very good reasons to ride what they ride. I don't think these people are dummies. While I am not enamoured with them, I have respect for people who can go 20+mph average speeds and pump out sustained 400+ watts on mountain climbs for 40+ minutes at a time. They