Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-03-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'll definitely buy a Silver 3 road crank. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 7:10:49 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote: > A couple of interesting(?) Roaduno tidbits in yesterday’s blog. Sounds > like a distinct possibility that the complete will come with the new

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-03-02 Thread Richard Rose
A couple of interesting(?) Roaduno tidbits in yesterday’s blog. Sounds like a distinct possibility that the complete will come with the new Silver 3 crank. And the bit about the head badge goof has me planning to paint the “window”, should I be lucky enough to get one. Not going to happen if I am

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-16 Thread Richard Rose
Per today’s e mail update - Roaduno completes due in May, not April. Not sure if that includes the non completes.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 7, 2024, at 1:03 PM, Berkeleyan wrote:" I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-07 Thread Berkeleyan
" I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. And I carry a Park bottle opener with 17mm socket on the end to remove the wheels." Er, make that 15mm... I was thinking of motorcycle parts at the same time. - Andrew -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-07 Thread Berkeleyan
Patrick asks, "Andrew: Do you use a QR axle on your flip flop hub? I switched from 17 and 19 cogs on either side of my Phil to a 17/19 Dingle so that with the QR axle it's very, very easy and quick to change cogs." I have a threaded through-axle with big heavy 17mm nuts, front and back. And I

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-07 Thread Bill Lindsay
" I like the idea of a front shifted 2x1 or 3x1 setup. If planning on such a setup I'd probably just get a Homer vs the Roaduno because I always end up wanting fenders on a bike like this and vertical dropouts make fenders so much easier. But I do see that the Roaduno with its 120mm rear

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Patrick Moore
But, more to the point, this discussion has clarified why someone might choose a 2X1 or 3X1. On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 9:53 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > All speculative, but speculation precedes action. Probably not my action, > but who knows where this might lead? > > On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:56 AM

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Patrick Moore
All speculative, but speculation precedes action. Probably not my action, but who knows where this might lead? On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:56 AM Bill Lindsay wrote: > " That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset" So > when I asked if this 1x2 bicycle existed only in your

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Bill Lindsay
just as an aside to your aside, I recently did some hobbyist lathe work for our friend Joe Bunik, who intends to build a two-speed single-speed mountain bike. He had me modify a vintage crankset to yield a single 52-tooth aluminum chainring that can bolt to the Problem Solvers system of

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Bill Lindsay
" That leaves the question how to arrange a 2-speed, 18-26 t cogset" So when I asked if this 1x2 bicycle existed only in your imagination, it sounds like the answer is "Yes" " 3 speed freewheels are still available [inserts Amazon link]" Note that those are definitely of the ultra-cheap and

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Patrick Moore
On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 8:41 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not > generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally > prefer to torque than to spin. > > We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-06 Thread Patrick Moore
Good point about very large gear gaps, and true that my riding does not generally involve very steep and very long climbs and that I generally prefer to torque than to spin. We all know that front derailleurs are capable of shifting 12-16 tooth gaps, my DA 7402 (?) fd shifts between the 44 and 28

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Bill Lindsay
Patrick Moore claims to have "always" wondered: "I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs" Can you be more specific about this 1x2 with a rear derailleur that you are comparing? Is this a bike you have? Have had earlier? Saw in person?

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Benjamin L. Kelley
Yes While I don't believe the Surly Ultra New hubs lack of a quoted weight limit means they are unlimited, I do believe it implies that any reasonable weights are not a problem. Whereas the Phil ones have a limit specified. If a company tells me there is a weight limit, I'm inclined to agree/obey

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Edwin W
I love all of this experimentation, and the Rev folks sure do have a lot of experience. For me, I am in the fixed gear or 1x8 or so camp. Fixed gear so pure and direct and connected. 1x8 more flexible, fewer problems on the hills, but not nearly as much easier as you would think considering

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread DavidP
A recent Riv newsletter compared the 3x1 to an IGH, saying the 3x1 setup is similar but more mechanically transparent. If you could setup a rear shifted 1x2 or 1x3 with 8-10t jumps between cogs that might be an interesting comparison. (The largest jump on a megarange freewheel is in this

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Patrick Moore
I've always wondered what advantages a 2X1 has over a 1X2 if you are going to use derailleurs -- the 2X1 requires a FD and something like a RD while the 1X2 requires only the rear one -- but for ss sans derailleur some people say that front shifting is easier than rear shifting. Not for me,

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Mathias Steiner
Bill said >> I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. That concept is alien to me -- if I understood right, we're talking about single-cog-in-back, front-derailleur shifting. I don't know what problem that would solve. I "get" the single-speed thing, I think. I've been

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Bill Lindsay
Do you interpret the absence of a weight rating on the Surly Ultra New to mean it's unlimited, and therefore stronger/more reliable than the Phil? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 8:18:47 AM UTC-8 Benjamin Kelley wrote: > One big difference(at least for me) other

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Benjamin L. Kelley
One big difference(at least for me) other than the price between the Phil and the Surly Ultra New Hubs, is the loaded bike+rider weight rating. Phil says 280lb/127kg for their Classic. Surly unspecified weight on all their hubs. I personally prefer the fixing bolt to the QR. Less stuff for people

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Patrick Moore
If the Roaduno track ends are horizontal yes, that's a defect, IMO. It has been a long time since I bothered with a rear brake on a fixed geared bike, but just perhaps, with just 2 teeth difference, you could set up your rear pads to work with the wheel in both positions despite no angled axle

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Hah, even better: SA AM hub (3 speed freewheel, 86.54%, direct, 115.55 %; and ASC (3 speed fixed), direct, 90%, 75%. I agree that 3 speeds is a kind of universal norm. On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 8:39 AM Will Boericke wrote: > Sturmey Archer AW is as close to single speed as I get - the perfect >

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Richard Rose
Patrick, Roaduno drops are rear facing but horizontal vs. the Quickbeam’s angled ones. I presume that means you could not adjust chain tension without also needing to adjust brake pads? That ain’t happening.:)Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 5, 2024, at 9:54 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:Two teeth will

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Will Boericke
Sturmey Archer AW is as close to single speed as I get - the perfect number of speeds for a tootling bike. Will On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 10:01:48 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote: > Per their site (https://surlybikes.com/parts/ultra_new_hubs) Surly offers > their "Ultra New Hub" in 135 mm

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Per their site (https://surlybikes.com/parts/ultra_new_hubs) Surly offers their "Ultra New Hub" in 135 mm OL in both rim brake and disc rotor models, and in 120 mm and 130 mm in a rim brake model. I expect that this hub is very like their earlier one -- I bought a couple, the first 18 years ago

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Patrick Moore
Two teeth will require adjusting the axle-bb length. The Quickbeam and Roaduno have long track ends to hold the axle (or will the Roaduno have long forward-facing horizontals?). With the chain adjusted for the bigger cog you might be able to ride, just, with the chain on the smaller cog, using a

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-05 Thread Richard Rose
Andrew, how does the dos freewheel work? Is the 2 tooth difference not enough to worry about chain tension?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 4, 2024, at 1:09 PM, Berkeleyan wrote:The paint and fancier lugs on the RoadUno are beautiful, glad to see this coming. Still, I love my 66cm QuickBeam. I stick

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-04 Thread Ryan
Rmrose...+1 for the PX10...mine is ss only. Long history of almost 50 years with these bikes...current one is my 3rd...and yes I still love riding Itnew roaduno IS intriguing though. And in winnipeg...windy and flat. On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 1:49:31 PM UTC-6 rmro...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-04 Thread Richard Rose
Max, PM’ed you. RichSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 4, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Max S wrote:So, I've got the ol' flip-flop hub, I've got a DOS freewheel and a Dingle cog, and I even hand the ENO double-ring crank (that I then passed on to Bill). In all this time riding SS & fixed, I've never actually stopped

[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-04 Thread Bill Lindsay
Max S asked: "I'm curious, do people with 1x2 or 2x2 "SS" or fixed-gear setups actually stop, unbolt / release the wheel, move the chain, re-tighten, and then continue up the hill?" Yes, I do. I live up a 500ft climb in the East Bay Hills and all my multi-single-speeds have an uphill gear

[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-04 Thread Max S
So, I've got the ol' flip-flop hub, I've got a DOS freewheel and a Dingle cog, and I even hand the ENO double-ring crank (that I then passed on to Bill). In all this time riding SS & fixed, I've never actually stopped mid-ride to change the gearing. I guess my area isn't all that hilly, so

[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-04 Thread Berkeleyan
The paint and fancier lugs on the RoadUno are beautiful, glad to see this coming. Still, I love my 66cm QuickBeam. I stick with a single ring up front and a Dos ENO 17-19 freewheel on the rear, with a 16 fixed cog on the other side. It gets me anywhere in Berkeley except up the steepest hills,

Re: [RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-02 Thread luckyturnip
Dare I…come in here with the Squid…?On Feb 2, 2024, at 15:01, DavidP wrote:Hi Edwin, A few more I'm aware of:Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fineWabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44

[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-02 Thread DavidP
Hi Edwin, A few more I'm aware of: Crust Florida Man - 130mm spacing, track ends, removable canti-posts, 27.5x2.4 listed max so 55mm tires with a fender should be fine Wabi Thunder - 120mm spacing, track ends, 700x44 (conservative?) max Handsome Devil - 132.5mm spacing, semi-horizonal

[RBW] Re: Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

2024-02-02 Thread Bill Lindsay
"BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed." Not true. All BMC Monstercrosses that have ever been released have had 130mm spacing. Only the latest revision, which has not been delivered yet, has 132.5mm spacing,