Don’t know. They’ll let us know soon, I think.
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> So, pre-order in June???
> doug
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>> On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
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>> Well, they think the bikes will hit the water in
So, pre-order in June???
doug
On Wednesday, April 8, 2020 at 1:16:11 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
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> Well, they think the bikes will hit the water in July. So, no one is
> getting a Cheviot until late August, I think.
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> > On Apr 8, 2020, at 10:15 AM, Joe
Well phooey. I first heard of this frame at RBW in October (as I was learning
and about to deliver the bad news the Anniversary Mixte was probably a
goner)..now it's due almost a year later. After Summer! I know I know, it can't
be helped and the coronavirus situation probably isn't helping
Well, they think the bikes will hit the water in July. So, no one is getting a
Cheviot until late August, I think.
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> Did Will ever deliver a timeline for this bike?
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Just to add to the "weight" thing. It is less about the weight but rather about
the associated thickness/flexibility of the tube set used. For many people a
bike built with thinner walled smaller diameter tubes will ride with less
perceived exertion for a given speed than a bike of EQUAL weight
So I talked to Will during the Joe A frame presale. At that time he said
the new Cheviot is expected June and would have V-brakes, more tire
clearance. He talked me out of a Joe A. So I'm in for the new Cheviot as
well. I just hope it's orange.
Tom
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I've been reading back over the two threads I've started recently and
discovered an hilarious phenomenon: Somehow I keep dragging Riv customs - and
mine in particular - into the Cheviot discussion, and my attempt to start a
"Riv customs" thread didn't include Riv in the title and they're
As one who is prone to arguing that shaving a few lbs off a bike won’t make you
all that much faster up a hill, let me clarify that I’m all in favor of making
your bike light enough to pick up easily. Particularly if you have to lift it
frequently.
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It’s going to be beautiful. I hope this is your everything bike to last you a
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I can't wait, either, I feel like I was a much younger man when this project
started!
No, I haven't shared the color much, it's going to be a light-ish gray with
bright red..kind of in the original Hunqapillar mode but brightened up a bunch.
I found the inspiration in this pic while perusing
Joe, I am really looking forward to seeing that beauty built up! What
color will it be? (Maybe you already shared that decision; sorry if I
missed it.)
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Joyce,
Funny how everyone loves that mustard color (I call mine butterscotch).
Not my favorite, either, but I've prettied it up with pink handlebar tape
and now I'm liking it OK.
I love, love, love the RBW blue of the current Chevs, so I went "window"
shopping, to my favorite Rivendell
I hope so, Joyce, I think the road calipers are the big weakness on the current
Cheviot. I opted for v-brakes on my
sorta-maybe-looks-like-a-Cheviot-without-the-mid-stays custom because my old
arthritic hands want to STOP something when I grab those levers!
On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at
Joyce, is that what we have on our Clems? 藍藍藍 Ok, then I want those on our
Cheviots, too.
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> Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they work
> so well on my Clem. I have no idea if that will come
Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they
work so well on my Clem. I have no idea if that will come true.
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Ooh, are v-brakes a thing with this? Or just a (very good yes they should do
it) wish? I've had so many conversations about this bike - I think I was the
first "outsider" to know about it when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW
last year - that I've lost track of what I know and what's
Leah, count me in! I want a Cheviot to compliment my Clem that lets me:
- Feel light, agile and "fast" for road riding while upright and seeing
everything
- Put one foot on the pavement when I stop at an intersection without
getting off the saddle (love that about Clem)
- Easily
I won’t rehash how *I* feel about the Riv mixtes, because I’ve belabored that
point, but I’d be really excited for you got join the club with the rest of us.
I just don’t see the downside of a mixte. I’m going to start the hashtag on
Instagram - #toptubeswhoneedsem.
Last I heard, YES, there
I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about Riv
bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this topic is
making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower bar as my
flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these
Ann, I nominate us both. Let’s go crash their company meeting. We’ll wear masks
and gloves. It will be fine.
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> I currently ride a Soma San Marcos and an Appaloosa. For those not familiar,
> the San
I currently ride a Soma San Marcos and an Appaloosa. For those not
familiar, the San Marcos frame was a collaboration between RBW and Soma
Fabrications. I think my San Marcos is closest to the Roadini, but I would
be very interested in hearing from someone who has ridden both as to the
Joe,
Ibid, and god bless. Have a great ride.
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 12:45:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Hey Ted,
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> We could argue about this for days and drive everybody crazy, but we're
> probably all a little crazy from the coronavirus lockdown already so I'll
> leave it at
Oy, crossposting! My reply is to the previous Ted reply, not the last Ted
reply. Have I said "reply" enough?
Joe "reply guy" Bernard
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Hey Ted,
We could argue about this for days and drive everybody crazy, but we're
probably all a little crazy from the coronavirus lockdown already so I'll leave
it at stuff I've already said. If I haven't convinced readers of my POV by now,
I'm not going to get there. It's a new week and I'm
I completely agree that there are a host of good reasons to get a RBW
custom, including "i want thinner tubes cause it's lighter and I just like
knowing that my bike is a bit lighter and not unnecessarily stout".
On Monday, March 30, 2020 at 11:39:02 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Also, I
Hey Joe,
My perhaps ill informed view is that once you get reasonably stiff more
stiff is not noticeable, and that rivs by and large are stiffer than what
the flexy frame proponents have in mind. E.g. one notable guy once told me
that an AHH was not a performance bike because it had oversize
Yeah, I realize what I want might not be actually possible. And I hear you,
Ted, on weights of frames and stuff. I’m willing to go back to the drawing
board, though. The lovely stable ride of the Clem may come at a cost that I
can’t have in a whippier frame.
Will is working from home and thus
Also, I believe the issue under discussion isn't strictly about dropping a
couple pounds from a Clem, it's (if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly): "I
would like a nice new lugged steel Riv mixte in metallic cranberry red, what's
the best path to this outcome?"
I have no stake in whether the
Ted, it's a matter of stiffness and feel, too. I believe the difference in
frames are more noticeable to the average rider on a big hill than your numbers
suggest.
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Going from a 35 lb bike to one in the low 20s is a reduction of what say 13
lbs, or over 33%. Start from the lighter bike and the increase is over 50%.
That is a fairly extreme comparison.
The RBW page states a 55 Roadeo frame is just under 4 lbs. In the pre MIT
days think I heard an Atlantis
Everyone, great discussion on the Cheviot attributes and capabilities. I’m
new to Riv family. Thanks.
Lyman
ATX
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> I hope they do a Blug post on the new Cheviot soon, Ann. Then we shall
> know all these vital details! And if they would like to
I hope they do a Blug post on the new Cheviot soon, Ann. Then we shall know all
these vital details! And if they would like to put me on their Cheviot Design
Committee, I nominate myself.
Ann, what made you decide you wanted a mixte? What bikes do you currently ride?
Fun!
Leah
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I got mine (a demo) in April, 2018. It’s the sage color, and it’s a 50cm. I’m
not entirely certain when it would’ve been made; maybe someone else might,
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I decided my next bike will be a mixte and am very interested in the next
batch of Cheviots. Does anyone have information on the colors? We haven't
seen a red yet for Rivendell's and that would be nice (GP: hint, hint,
hint).
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Reiterating a thing because I think it'll get lost in the walls of texts I've
posted (I've GOT to get off the internet, this is my last post on this thread):
I think whatever Mark Nobilette's timeline will be on a Riv Custom will be
somewhat reliable. Mine has slowed down in the paint booth
Reading this cross post, I'm confused again! Get one of everything. You
don't have enough bikes yet anyway.
On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 4:01:16 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
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> Deborah, it’s a Jaguar! Yes, I love this.
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> So based on your 5’ 2” height, did you get the 50 cm?
I would be the last one to tell people to get worked up about frame weight.
But it is a fact of physics that lighter weight riders experience the ride
qualities of many bikes differently -- partly as a frame to body
proportion, partly as a power output/wattage proportion. Certainly high
Deborah, it’s a Jaguar! Yes, I love this.
So based on your 5’ 2” height, did you get the 50 cm? What year did you get
your bike? I ask because I know the Cheviot is longer in later iterations. The
first gen wasn’t much different than the BF. I remember a Lister named Michael
saying his wife
Also (climbs back on soapbox because I meant to add the Melanie shoutout), I
think Melanie is right about the custom mixte being ordered in the Roadeo
weight class, which I think is similar to my new Frank Jones. Transposing from
that bike to mine, hoo boy is there a weight difference you feel
Leah,
I encourage you to try and avoid getting wrapped up in frame weight worries.
Though I'm not immune to bouts of weight weeniesm (I've got a sub 19lb
black mountain and my AHH is under 21lbs) I think bike weight is at best a
third order effect, and frame weight is only part of total bike
Mark, you make a point that has crossed my mind a couple times in these
discussions: How would the Cheviot be that much different from the Betty Foy?
Leah has one and likes it, but it's not her dream Riv Mixte that she was
looking for in the apparently-never-to-be Anniversary Mixte. Which leads
The first bike I tried when I visited Riv was the Cheviot I purchased. I’d
ridden the same Specialized road bike always, and I’d bonded with it
profoundly, but I hadn’t ridden a bike much in a long time. I tried a Surly
Long Haul Trucker—and really wanted to love it—but thought it felt really
Ugh, I know that Melanie and Mark make excellent points. Points I weighed when
I was trying to decide custom mixte vs. production mixte. I knew that Riv would
steer me toward production, and they did, and it seemed like I could get enough
of what I wanted with a Cheviot. But the more I think
I agree with Mark Roland. You need a Roadeo-weight mixte. The weight of my
Roadeo is perfect for my under-125 lbs. body.
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I'm wrong, it's "trip through", which she already said in this thread. I knew
I'd heard it somewhere!
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"Best part is swinging your leg over the top tube instead of trying to clear
all the stuff on your rack, its a whole new world."
Hehe, that didn't quite work for my stubby legs. I can step through a Clem L,
but usually kicked my Chev. Roberta calls them "kick throughs"
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I find the Cheviot to be great on trails, amazing around town, and have ridden
a century on mine comfortably too! Best part is swinging your leg over the top
tube instead of trying to clear all the stuff on your rack, its a whole new
world.
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I don't know enough to say who is wrong or right, and suspect it doesn't
matter anyway. Given all the bad press the R559s have received, I was just
surprised when they worked so very well for my 650B conversion w/road
levers.
Hugh "haven't crashed yet" Flynn
Newburyport, MA
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020
My 700x35 shod 57 FJsr feels light plush and zippy.
My 650x38 shod 56 toyo AHH also feels light plush and zippy.
I suspect we tend to make too much of wheel size.
That said, aesthetically I really like the proportions on my AHH and if the
wheels were 700c and all else equal the head tube would
Ah, the 650B v. 700C question is an interesting one I've been thinking a lot
about this week after building my Frank Jones up (and probably worth its own
thread as well, but I digress). I'm running 700 x 38 Compass Barlow Pass tires
and it feels light and whippy and cushy and I love it. My
This post made me really hopeful about my upcoming Cheviot. It’s going to be
such a long and difficult wait. I really hope the batch is still happening late
summer. Did you all see the Hillibike shipment will now wait to ship with
Roadinis? We can only take guesses as to whether or not this
To clarify - this became a long convoluted thread on the 650B group with
considerable disagreement - I've used new versions of these brakes, too, with
mtb short-pull levers and still don't love them. YRMV because several people
said I was full of the bollocks about this. Ride what you like, be
FYI I replaced the stock pads on mine with Kool-Stop salmon compound
pads/cartridges and there's a noticeable improvement.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 5:11 PM Joe Bernard wrote:
> Possibly, Hugh. I switched to the short-pull (canti) position on my Avid
> mtb levers for these brakes but it's still
Possibly, Hugh. I switched to the short-pull (canti) position on my Avid mtb
levers for these brakes but it's still not great. A new set of pads will
probably help, I just picked these Silver-branded brakes up used.
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Brakes: Yeah, I'm never going to love the Tektro R559s. I have them on my
new-to-me Frank Jones Señor singlespeed (talk about a light and flexy
frame!) and am once again reminded why I prefer v-brakes. The Tektros don't
really stop you as much as reduce your speed if you absolutely
Sweet post Abe in the Rain.
A
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 1:41 PM Pancake wrote:
> I have both a Hillborne (56cm) and Cheviot (60cm). I’m 240 pounds, 6’0”,
> 84pbh iirc. I commute about 25 miles every week on the Cheviot, the Sam is
> for longer, faster weekend rides or if I’m late for work and
On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 8:11:02 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be
> interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a
> Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses
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