[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-02 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
For all the fetishism around handmade, it seems to be a common excuse for sloppiness and poor quality control. That said, I enjoy my Brooks saddles, and tolerate their quirks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-02 Thread Richard
I own three Brooks B17-type saddles. Two have developed deformities in the leather. I still ride them, but they are clearly deformed. My next leather saddle will be from a competitor, maybe a Berthoud, if I can wrap my head around the price. Richard Selle Anatomic makes quality saddles.I have

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-02 Thread Johan Larsson
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:08:21 PM UTC+2, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned),

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-02 Thread Tim McNamara
On Nov 2, 2014, at 1:24 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: For all the fetishism around handmade, it seems to be a common excuse for sloppiness and poor quality control. That said, I enjoy my Brooks saddles, and tolerate their quirks. Yep. The deal there IMHO

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-01 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-01 Thread Jim Bronson
Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014 3:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I have owned several B17s a

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-11-01 Thread Ron Mc
the other sounds like a snack food On Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:03:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-10-31 Thread lungimsam
UPDATE: I got a response from Brooks: These are indeed peculiarities from being handmade and they should cause you no problems.. Glad they responded and good to know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-12 Thread ascpgh
Too many hours as the after school shop rat using tools from a chest with those stickers on it, and add Lockheed-Girling, a nightmare if they had gotten into bike parts Brooks is living up to some of these epic, old empire, business models if these reports are representative. Company response

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-12 Thread David Banzer
The Spa Cycles saddles are manufactured by the same company that makes Velo Orange, Cardiff, Gyes saddles. Nice looking, tough to break in IME. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-12 Thread Andrew Marchant-Shapiro
The VO saddles *are* hard to break in. I've been riding mine for two years, and it's just getting a few dents now, but I ride far back, on the cantle, so that likely makes a difference. For all that, I have to say that it's a pretty comfortable saddle (I'm using the Model 1, which is no

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-11 Thread Tonester
The Prince of Darkness and why the English drink warm beer On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:18:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-11 Thread Matthew J
My Cambium is holding up beautifully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Hechmer
We have B17s on the tandem, one standard one deluxe. No anomalies or premature ware in either; but the early Selle Anatomica saddles I have on the Ram Saluki are both noticeably more comfortable. These are very early models and still in good condition. Only no dang bag loops! Michael On

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-11 Thread Ron Mc
it's the badge that is an inch off center, but one side of the saddle is stiff, and the other is quite soft. We've concentrated on breaking in the hard side and she rides it Many miles without complaint, but I still have to apply neatsfoot oil to the bottom of the saddle just on that side to

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Anton Tutter
Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them

RE: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC? On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Anton Tutter
Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Ron Mc
have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread Goshen Peter
Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin.

Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread cyclotourist
Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread RJM
I can't complain about my b17 special and my select model, but my basic black standard brooks b17 didn't hold up as well as they are. The leather is noticeably thicker on the special and select and I haven't come across any squeaking or need to adjust the bolt like I have on the standard.

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread lungimsam
@Ron, An inch off center?!?! Does it ride fine? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. I don't know if those things are considered defects, or just part of the hand-made acceptable imperfections. I mean, as long as the saddle rides great, then no big deal, if that's par for the course

[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?

2014-09-10 Thread lungimsam
I emailed Brooks about this and will report back if I get a reply. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to