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I wish the big makers had focused on hub gears instead of cramming 12 onto the rear hub and using batteries to shift. Man, what a good selection we might have by now! And prices might be much lower if good hub gears were sold over a much large rmarket. Fat chance, I realize, since really the

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On 2/03/2017 10:35 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > Now this is a real benefit for some riders. Again, I think that > electric shifting would probably benefit those who are less > experienced or who simply are not interested in the (minor) art of > shifting. > > I really think that some sort of sealed

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Now this is a real benefit for some riders. Again, I think that electric shifting would probably benefit those who are less experienced or who simply are not interested in the (minor) art of shifting. I really think that some sort of sealed transmission (sealed from the elements; sealed from

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On Tuesday, 28 February 2017 10:49:03 UTC+11, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? > Well, to give an example, in spite of being an experienced cyclist with ~12000km/year riding for the past 35 years, my wife still cross-chains a lot

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 7:03:59 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote: > > The reason for devising it has little to do with practicality and much to > do with the way our economy is set up, as well as the law of diminishing > returns and a number of other interesting factors. When TSHTF, and

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Yeah, I think all of my bikes are younger than me. Although not sure about the German city bike I have for coffee shop runs. Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”* Educator:

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doesn't matter when the bike gets old, only matters when the motor gets old -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On 02/28/2017 07:47 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: I get the "How old is that bike?" question occasionally, but much more often I get the "Wow, what a nice bike!" exclamation for both of my Rivs, and from a surprising variety of exclaimers -- experienced riders but also ordinary citizens. The Rivs

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I get the "How old is that bike?" question occasionally, but much more often I get the "Wow, what a nice bike!" exclamation for both of my Rivs, and from a surprising variety of exclaimers -- experienced riders but also ordinary citizens. The Rivs are 18 and 14 years old respectively, but I don't

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I came in 3rd on last weekend's group ride, which ends with a pretty long climb. One of the later arrivals stood and looked at my fendered International for several minutes. Didn't say anything, I think he was disbelieving.

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I dont receive the misinformed "must be old" comments as often as i do the misinformed "must be heavy and difficult to ride" comments. So really thinking about this for the first time, it occurs to me that there is probably a hidden silver lining here. If average joe crook thinks my AR is

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My 2013 Rawland with fat 650B wheels often gets mistaken as an "old fashioned" bike. One person once called it a "nice antique bike". Anton velolumino.com On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:12:14 PM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote: > > Regarding the original topic, I recently had someone

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That's how the Shimano Coasting automatic 3-speed worked: The front dybohub provided the juice for the electronic shifting system in the rear hub. I could see Shimano adapting the dyno to electronic derailer systems if the touring market for it ever develops. -- You received this message

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The people who aren't charging batteries are the same people who don't check chain wear and/or don't replace cables till they break. As for bikes, I'd say that anything over 10 years counts as old. On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Ryan Fleming wrote: > Not

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Not exotic, but my early 70's Peugeot PX-10 rides very well as wellin spite of it's working-class origins On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 12:29:52 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote: > > One of my favorite bikes was built in the early 70s and is still going > strong. I just bought a bike built

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One of my favorite bikes was built in the early 70s and is still going strong. I just bought a bike built about 35 years ago, and it rides extremely well. Properly maintained, a steel bike will last almost forever. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Feb

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I'd say steel bikes are like people- 40-50 years is probably about middle aged. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 7:00:35 PM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote: > > What seems to make the most sense would be a dyno hub or dyno BB that > keeps your battery charged. > Good recommendation! It is probably cheaper and lighter than putting a motor and battery in your frame too! ;) --

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Yes indeed it (your AR) does look beautiful and has aged well. My A/R (1997) and road (2001) has received many compliments over the years from the non-ferrous crowd as well as others. Rivendells are just flat-out handsome bikes and people who love bikes (big tent, don't forget) are

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Electronic shifting exists to exist, quite simple. Same with everything else, existing to exist. Just like everything in bicycling circles, I may not need something or even consider it today, but some day I may. Fwiw, I ride with 2/3 rings and freewheels and friction shifters for no

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Regarding the original topic, I recently had someone compliment my newest bike, and Ocean Air Rambler as a "nice old bike". I was initially offended, but then I realized that the cranks are from 1984, derailleurs from the 90's, etc. So I suppose it is old, in part. My senior project in

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I've only played with it in a stand when I was taking a class at UBI. I have heard far better mechanics than myself who've ridden with it (but personally have no particular use for it) that the best thing about it is if you are racing cyclocross and even when your drivetrain gets mucked up it

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and to me, half steps make riding more fun On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 at 9:15:22 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote: > > I honestly think you're not in a position to know why they decided to buy > bikes with e-shifting. It's possible at least one of them tried it and > thought it made riding more

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I honestly think you're not in a position to know why they decided to buy bikes with e-shifting. It's possible at least one of them tried it and thought it made riding more fun. Anything that makes a bike more fun makes a bike more likely to be ridden. -- You received this message because

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Another reservation of e-shifting systems: battery life. These batteries will lose capacity over time, just like the battery of any mobile device. So, within 3-5 years, you'll have a battery with 30% life left, and how long (and at what price) will these batteries be available? Also, how do

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On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > Patrick, if you really want to know more, why are you asking the ibob list > where most people are probably still using friction shifters or at least > that's the reputation?! Why not read a few cycling review and

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Well, I ride with several people who have electronic shifting, and not one of them has any need for milliseconds, and none of them sprints. I honestly don't think any of them bought these systems for any perceived benefits other than "having the latest and best." On 02/28/2017 02:28 AM, Joe

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I thought Brewster was being facetious. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

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I always assumed it was devised to make shifting faster, with less effort, in the peloton: Faster buys you milliseconds in the sprint, less effort saves your hands on stage races where you're doing crazy miles for a week or more. I'm not sure this translates to a need in recreational riding,

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The only truly distinctive feature I can point to for electronic shifting is that you can put the buttons where you need them, and you can have more than one per derailleur. Not crucial for the riding most of us do, perhaps, but on a time trial bike the ability to shift either on the aero bars

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The reason for devising it has little to do with practicality and much to do with the way our economy is set up, as well as the law of diminishing returns and a number of other interesting factors. When TSHTF, and your electronic shifting gizmo goes on the fritz, good luck finding someone who

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What seems to make the most sense would be a dyno hub or dyno BB that keeps your battery charged. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 4:33:40 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > No, the *question *was whether e shifting *reduced* mis-shifts, and > whether this *reduction* was the *reason* for devising it. > As someone who doesn't own a bike with e-shifting, I can only say what I see, *NONE* of

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Brewster nailed it, Electronic shifting = N+1 On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 6:00:10 PM UTC-6, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? >> I assume there is

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As to batteries going cold: hell, use a bigger battery! On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: > No, the *question *was whether e shifting *reduced* mis-shifts, and > whether this *reduction* was the *reason* for devising it. > > I'm afraid Steve is right;

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No, the *question *was whether e shifting *reduced* mis-shifts, and whether this *reduction* was the *reason* for devising it. I'm afraid Steve is right; you've not stated any good reason for electric shifting except cosmetic, and in my book, that's a pretty modest reason for an entirely new

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On 02/27/2017 07:00 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? >> I assume

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On 02/27/2017 07:00 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? I assume there is some benefit to someone besides the seller, since someone or other has

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On Monday, February 27, 2017 at 3:49:03 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? I > assume there is some benefit to someone besides the seller, since someone > or other has been trying to make it work since the mid or late

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Continuing this aside: what exactly is the purpose of electric shifting? I assume there is some benefit to someone besides the seller, since someone or other has been trying to make it work since the mid or late '90s. Does it make mis-shifts, which I assume (right? wrong?) are more common with

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I have to admit that if I was going to go to e-shifting, etap is the way to go. Yes, you do have to monitor the battery to make sure its charged, but my buddy says he "rarely" ever charges it and probably only does it once a month. Still, the wireless feature is kind of neat, makes a bike look

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Yes, that happened to a woman on a ride I led a couple of weeks ago. Not a way to make me fall in love with that technology, unless there's a special use-case involved. Those stick them anywhere auxiliary shift buttons could be a godsend to someone with only one hand that works (and I have

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Wow. I sure do like the look of that Bianchi! Honestly, when you factor in that chain guard, crank and fenders, Clementine doesn't stand a chance in the "fairest of them all" competition. On 02/27/2017 05:39 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote: Here's the oldest bicycle in my

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I was on a ride last week when two guys on bikes rolled in to the coffee place. One was on a bike with electronic shifting. Halfway through a 40-mile ride, he was stuck in the small ring because the bike’s battery was low. Granted, he said he hardly ever has to charge the bike’s batteries, but

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Yeah, my riding buddies all have the latest in bicycles. They're all drooling over disc brakes and e-shifting and if you don't have either, well watch out for all the death and destruction! So, I'm the guy with the "old bikes" in the group. Both of my bikes were both used - a 94-ish Calfee

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Wow, I love the carbide headlamp on that Flying Merkel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbide_lamp The "halloween backgammon" paint job is awesome too. On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Ron Mc wrote: > ps - a 1917 Flying Merkel > >

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ps - a 1917 Flying Merkel looks pretty Rivesque from a distance -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Stopped in my LBS today to get a new Whitworth 26 tpi headsead installed on a 57 Lenton GP bare frame and original fork I bought recently. On they build stand they had (another) new Cervelo P5. How's that for a contrast? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

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My SO's dad consistently claims that his best friend had the same bike (hunqapillar) when they were younger. ive given up trying to say otherwise. i think he just sees green+lugs=same bike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

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Addison, et. al.: Yes, indeed, been thinking a lot about that lately myself. Other riders comment favorably all the time on my beautiful 'old' bike, even when it was 'new' in 2004. Like you, I just smile and thank them for their kind generosity and sharp eye. And actually, some bits ARE what