[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-25 Thread Ron Mc
I put in a bottom bracket yesterday. Just though I would share a simple technique to avoid cross threading. First off, reach through the other side and support the spindle end with a least a fingertip to help with the alignment. Turn the threads the wrong way until you feel a slight bump of

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-22 Thread drew beckmeyer
curiosity got the best of me and i had it taken out/replaced (with a lovely phil bb purchased from this group). most of your analysis' were right on the money. some uncleanliness, slightly imperfect fit, possibly unchased shell etc made the initial install hard, but all is well and the threads

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-21 Thread ascpgh
Tools used for cutting or chasing BB threads are used enough that there is wear of material form them, including that of re-sharpening, can leave less perfect threads. If the tool has wear, the cuts are not as deep and more metal remains than if it was done by a new cutter. A new BB threaded

Re: [RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-20 Thread William deRosset
Dear Patrick, It isn't the end of the world, though it is a hassle. If the threads are actually mangled, you may be able to fix them as Patrick outlines. You also can re-thread BSC bottom brackets to Italian threads. Worst case, brass in the munged up ones and recut them and repaint the bike.

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-18 Thread Minh
i echo everyone's statement about not getting too worried about it. i've had an issue in the past where i had a frame and bb-cup that just didn't agree (other bb-cups worked fine, and other frames worked fine with that particular bb-cup). in the end i just bought a new bb-cup so i could

Re: [RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread Patrick Moore
Note that cross threaded bb shells (if they are steel) can be (1) sometimes fixed by chasing; (2) repaired by a framebuild; (3) salvaged by using a non-threading-type bb bearing assembly. But Deacon P is right: if the shop messed the threads up, they owe you. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 6:35 PM,

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread drew beckmeyer
honestly, i doubt i kept a receipt for the work that was done. i figured that they must install bottom brackets multiple times a day, and everything was normal. the whole install took 10 minutes. it would be hard to prove and i can't imagine them willingly admitting to it. it seems

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread Joe Bernard
Oh Drew, I should add that my experiences include 5 Riv frames I installed/replaced BBs on, including a Saluki which had never been built up before it was sold to me. In general I would say they were easier to work on than other older bikes I've fiddled with, but there was still much variation

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread Deacon Patrick
I'm not the expert others here are, but I've done my BB a number of times. It sounds to my like the second shop gave you good advice with the following additional thoughts: -- can you get the first shop to stand by their work and if the frame is ruined to pay for the new frame? I wouldn't

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread Joe Bernard
If there was some crud in there, you most likely saw them slowly grinding through it with greased threads..backing off and going back in further a few times. I've done exactly this literally dozens of times. In my experience modern Shimano bottom brackets can be a bit of a tight fit compared

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread drew beckmeyer
pb, yeah you're hitting on what i was just wondering about myself. the frame was new, but not straight from the factory. it had been at rivendell for a while. the riv bb install video says that they face+chase before sending out, but that video is from 2010, so i dont know if it still

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Drew, was it a new, never-before-assembled frame? I don't know how clean those frames are when Riv sends them out. For clarification -- I'm not saying they aren't clean -- I'm saying I don't know. Does Riv have a policy of facing and chasing before shipping? Or was it a used and dirty

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread drew beckmeyer
thanks all for the one-way-or-another reassuring thoughts, experiences and ideas. i agree that the better shop may not be as prepared to do a creative workaround as i want. if it comes to that point, ill have to find a place that knows all the tricks you guys know. joe, im holding out that

[RBW] Re: bb/thread installation question

2015-02-17 Thread Jeremy Till
As a professional mechanic, I would say that there are numerous reasons a BB might go in slightly tightly or not as easily as a perfect tool video might show: 1. It is true that not all frames from Rivendell are faced and chased before they are delivered to customers. I had to end up facing