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Very well Steve , I am glad you settled that for yourself ! ☺ Funny, it is just like that on the bike trail isn't it ? We make our assesments of what people may mean by what we see , but there is always a whole lot more to the story than meets the eye, or I of the story. -- You received

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On 01/03/2017 10:05 AM, Garth wrote: Everyone is a Fred to somebody ! Ahahaha so much for definitions as being anything definite, since everything is up for interpretation, everyone walking around trying to figure out the meaning of things . . . Eventually it just makes no sense,

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Yeah it's just some guy's blog ,his opinions and such, who by his own profile page : *While I love cycling and embrace it in all its forms, I'm also extremely > critical. So I present to you my venting for your amusement and betterment. > No offense meant to the critiqued. Always keep

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I only started cycling for recreation and fitness n 2001, at the age of 40 so maybe it is understandable that I only know the term Fred through BSNYC, whom I find to be quite funny. He is, to be sure, merciless on amateur riders who buy wheelsets that cost more than a new Roadeo frame. To be

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Steve commented: > Well, there's a difference between the evolution of word meanings as show > in that article and what we have here. This was not gradual evolution, it > was a charismatic writer who simply used it wrong, exactly opposite to the > accepted meaning, and all his acolytes simply

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Well, there's a difference between the evolution of word meanings as show in that article and what we have here. This was not gradual evolution, it was a charismatic writer who simply used it wrong, exactly opposite to the accepted meaning, and all his acolytes simply went along. A bit like

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So it goes, or so it seems. http://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/ Bob K. in Baltimore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send

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It's amazing: he uses it wrong and everyone follows along... On 01/03/2017 01:10 PM, Bob K. wrote: I first heard the term "Fred" as applied to roadies from BikeSnobNYC. He may've been partly responsible for the change in meaning. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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I first heard the term "Fred" as applied to roadies from BikeSnobNYC. He may've been partly responsible for the change in meaning. Bob K. in Baltimore -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Rod - yes, that's my understanding of how the term changed, too. That's happened to lots of other words and terms over the years, as well. Take "hacker" for example. That used to mean an electronics hobbyist who fooled around with bread-boarded components back in the day when personal

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> > everybody can relate .. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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The term "fred" used to be associated with touring cyclists (c.f. the old phreds mailing list), and was sometimes expanded to Fenders and Racks Every Day. Some time in the last decade there was a sense inversion, and the name started getting hung on kitted carbon riders (with the implication

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Yes - exactly ! ! ahahahaahahahahahahahah On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Except to George Carlin. If you're slower than him you're an idiot, and > if you're faster than him you're a maniac. > > On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-6, Garth

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Patrick, that's my sense of humor , some get it, some don't . . it's all good . I ams what I ams and that's all that I ams . . . Pop-eye the sailor man , toot toot ! Or in this case . . . ding a ling a ling long along the trail of life . > -- You received this message because you are

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Last year in my town a cyclist hit a child, breaking the child's femur on a MUP. He was described as a 30-40 year old white or latino person in racing kit with a red and white bike with red rims. As far as I know they still haven't caught him. -- You received this message because you are

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Except to George Carlin. If you're slower than him you're an idiot, and if you're faster than him you're a maniac. On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote: > > Everyone is a Fred to somebody ! Ahahaha > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

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On 01/03/2017 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: Garth: f there are no definitions, and one thing means the same thing as anything else, why does that leave you room to pontificate on meaning? So, why do you bother to speak at all? And why should anyone bother to read what you say? Do you

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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/internet-bob On 01/03/2017 09:49 AM, lum gim fong wrote: What's a Bob? You, basically, only you haven't found the group yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

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Garth: f there are no definitions, and one thing means the same thing as anything else, why does that leave you room to pontificate on meaning? So, why do you bother to speak at all? And why should anyone bother to read what you say? Do you really believe yourself what you say below? I expect you

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Everyone is a Fred to somebody ! Ahahaha so much for definitions as being anything definite, since everything is up for interpretation, everyone walking around trying to figure out the meaning of things . . . Eventually it just makes no sense, since every definition depends on another

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exactly On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 8:05:36 AM UTC-6, Skenry wrote: > > I have never heard the term Fred to denote a racer type persona. It has > been used since the mid80s in person and in magazines to describe what now > is a BoB. > > > -- You received this message because you are

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I have never heard the term Fred to denote a racer type persona. It has been used since the mid80s in person and in magazines to describe what now is a BoB. On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:01 PM, George Schick wrote: > The term "fred" seems to have morphed into a myriad of

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Our greenways and users are all pretty nice, but always expect the unexpected. The stupidest thing of all, today there was a road bike group with 25+ riders on the greenway, and heading toward the busiest part of our greenway system. Luckily I had already done that part earlier in the

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The term "fred" seems to have morphed into a myriad of meanings nowadays (according to a look-up in the Urban Dictionary, anyway), but the way it gets used "locally" implies someone who portrays him/herself as a racer, decked out in the some of the priciest gear from head to toe, rides an

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On 01/02/2017 11:14 AM, George Schick wrote: Agreed (and also with Lum Gim's comment). And BTW, those "in lycra with skinny tires" are usually known by the slang term "freds." Are you sure? When did that happen? When they first started using the term, it applied to us, not to them.

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Very true. In my experience on the local MUP, rudeness/cluelessness is an equal opportunity ailment, affecting bikers and walkers of all stripes. Where I ride, most “racers” are pacelining single file, but both racers and un-racers alike can be seen riding 2 or more abreast, oblivious to the

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Many Rivendell owners ride road bikes with sub 35 mm tires while wearing lycra; let's not be foolishly elitist. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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I hold my line and let them move. Works every time. On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:38 AM, lum gim fong wrote: > I hate when approaching loquatious cyclists and they maintain their > abreast tracking even when they see me coming towards them. As we pass it > feels like there's

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A noisy drivetrain and flicking one's brake levers works too on the unearbudded. i'm surprised that joggers jog along with earbuds in both ears. I think I remember my wife telling me that the local library had the police there to talk give a seminar on safety or something like that and they

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Yeah, Chris King hub angry bees are a safety feature. Badly adjusted, squealing cantis do the job, too, and penetrate earbids reliably... rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Agreed (and also with Lum Gim's comment). And BTW, those "in lycra with skinny tires" are usually known by the slang term "freds." What's equally annoying is when riders (usually freds, it seems) are approaching a rider(s) from behind while there are runners or bikers coming from the

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It's annoyingThey are usually in lycra with skinny tires. I always say" WTF is wrong with the other side of the trail??" Jon "FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK " On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 8:40 AM, lum gim fong wrote: > Meaning the cyclists are approaching me and

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But how can I put myself in the other person's shoes when there is no "other", only All and Now? Or... something. I mean, or... everything! I'm off to treat myself. I hope you all enjoy it. (On topic: "On your left!" = the other other invariably moves left into my path 92% of the time. I ring

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You know Patrick of the Moore's . . . . life really is just like a box of wondrous chocolates ... . when you open the box it's gonna be everything it was ever going to be :) On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 11:01:21 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Can we somehow remove this sort of

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It sounded like terrific fun Eric Middle Ontario On 29 December 2016 at 16:06, Ron Mc wrote: > I was having fun too > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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On 12/29/2016 03:21 PM, Ron Mc wrote: And you can't please everybody. Some people are looking for offense. I about decided the old man was pushing and taking up the whole path on purpose. But you are doing the right and safe thing and someone is offended, it's all on them and not about

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something else for sure - if I'm panic braking, my bell is also ringing On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 2:21:46 PM UTC-6, Ron Mc wrote: > > And you can't please everybody. Some people are looking for offense. I > about decided the old man was pushing and taking up the whole path on >

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And you can't please everybody. Some people are looking for offense. I about decided the old man was pushing and taking up the whole path on purpose. But you are doing the right and safe thing and someone is offended, it's all on them and not about you. There was this one guy several

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Richard, for a bike approaching at 20 mph and even slowing to pass you at 10 mph, unless you're constantly swinging your head or wearing a rear view mirror, you can still get surprised. Sparing pedestrians the surprise and shock of our very quiet bikes is just polite - maybe it's just my very

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The obvious solution here is for everyone to get Chris King hubs and coast at speed on MUPs. No one can miss you then. -j -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Yea Yea Leah ! ! I like the jingle bells idea too. Here are some practical tips . . . . Put yourself in the "other" person shoes, forget who you think you are and who you think they may be, forget about the circumstances, forget they were known or unknown to you prior to this

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Maybe I'm just weird but I do glance back every so often as I walk along. Do the same on my bike. Keeps me from being surprised at least 80 percent of the time. Also most bikes are not absolutely silent usually there will be some kind of noise that alerts me to a bike comming along. Tire buzz,

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Leah, as usual, you are a model of positivity for us all. Happy New Year to you and your family, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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On 12/29/2016 02:00 PM, Ron Mc wrote: even the most conscious people can't see behind them. One thing I like about the Crane Karen bell is you play it. It can flam, it can ping, it can be a gentile ring, it can be loud. Pedestrians appreciate a polite warning that you're about to pass them.

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even the most conscious people can't see behind them. One thing I like about the Crane Karen bell is you play it. It can flam, it can ping, it can be a gentile ring, it can be loud. Pedestrians appreciate a polite warning that you're about to pass them. Just like the deer, from your

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As to original question posed. I say yes it is absolutely ok, go for it and why not. My experience is that people you can pass in this manner are generally the more considerate and aware types. They don't seem startled or to mind. I know I dont, just slow down a bit and go on about your

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It seems not -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

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Ah, the MUP etiquette. It's confounding, isn't it? I've tried ringing bells, but what I mean as a pleasant alert ends up seeming like honking to pedestrians. I took a leaf out of Grant's book and put jingle bells on the kids' bikes. They were clearanced at $1 apiece, and they wrap securely

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Can we somehow remove this sort of drivel from the list? On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 7:55 AM, Garth wrote: > > I speak from a place of having given all, "complying" to all the implied > powers that be, and yet all was never enough, more was never enough. Yes, > call it hell,

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I narc'd on a lady who was running her bull terrier loose on the trail to an officer and he took off after her -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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OK, sorry. I guess I didn't understand the first post. Always do what they say, the first time, every time. On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Ron Mc wrote: > Maybe it's the real estate - all our greenways are in the flood plains. > And so are the police stations - our

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Maybe it's the real estate - all our greenways are in the flood plains. And so are the police stations - our greenways connect all the police stations. There are always officers on the trails, in addition to Trail Stewards. It's a good thing. On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 9:03:15 AM

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Please if you are going to be disparaging the work of America's police forces, do it someplace other than a bike list. Scott On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Garth wrote: > > I speak from a place of having given all, "complying" to all the implied > powers that be, and yet

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I speak from a place of having given all, "complying" to all the implied powers that be, and yet all was never enough, more was never enough. Yes, call it hell, but in the midst of nowhere left to turn but your Self . . . funny things seem to happen, you ask true honest questions within

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On 12/29/2016 08:20 AM, Garth wrote: He was no cop, and our "grown up" cops had better things to do than police kids on bikes. Always the threat huh Steve ?The dead squirrel images you post.. . . blah blah blah . . . . the ol' "comply or die" mantra. Comply to who ? You try

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He was no cop, and our "grown up" cops had better things to do than police kids on bikes. Always the threat huh Steve ?The dead squirrel images you post.. . . blah blah blah . . . . the ol' "comply or die" mantra. Comply to who ? On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 7:57:24 AM

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Don't try that with a grown up cop. On 12/29/2016 07:53 AM, Garth wrote: Ahahahah .. . "The Bike Police !" Funny story about how great my mom is . .. . back in the 70's in Minnesota the city where I lived created a "bike patrol" just to write tickets to bicyclists. One summers day I

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Good advice; and I'll add: recall with confidence that you have as much right to the path as anyone else. On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 10:40 PM, Christopher Murray < chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think you got it right with "you just can't win" bc no matter what you > decide you will never

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I find women of a certain age and class to be the most self-righteously unpleasant among path users; and this one turned without looking and then blamed you? On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Christopher Cote < christopherjamesc...@gmail.com> wrote: > She yelled "nice bell" as if to mean that I

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Another vote for bells here. Where I live, riding from home (i.e., without driving to a remote ride start) is impossible without riding on one of the most popular MUPs in the country (so much for avoiding the problem by not riding there) and especially near the District of Columbia many of