Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Yes, I am still here. You probably remember me from the back and forth on my Rivendell Mountain and some of the possible changes in the build I was requesting or from sending you a box of Shimano down tube shifters. Still keeping up on things. Look forward to the final product that is the

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Reginald! You're still around! I associate you with my garage and holding my then toddler old Anna like a football when trying to work...that was your era. Thanks for hanging in! On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:37 PM, R. Alexis wrote: > Those shifters look nice. Look forward to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

The pricing of Silver parts and kits is "non-strategic" and is supposed to be person-friendly, so you don't feel like a bad money-manger for buying components separately. A critic could see the whole shebang price as not offering any discount, but we go at it from the other way. It's hard to apply

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Thanks for the details Bill, Lee, Dave and masmojo. I picked up the kit. Looking forward to some smooth shifting. Paul in ATL On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 4:42:08 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote: > > Bill is right. > > That is what happened when I order the kit. The shifters and pods were >

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Bill is right. That is what happened when I order the kit. The shifters and pods were added to the kit list but they all had zero dollars, except the kit. I get mine Monday. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 4:20 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Dave, > > Not exactly true. You do need a

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Dave, Not exactly true. You do need a different shifter washer thingy for bar-end setup vs downtube setup, but when you buy the kit, you get BOTH. Put item #17089 in your basket and you will see what I mean. When you buy the bar-end KIT in your basket, all it does it put a set of downtube

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

If you buy the bar end kit you should buy the "little travel stop washer thingy " to go along with it for downtube use. Riv sells that piece separately. It is round with a tab that stick out and a square hole that fits over your frame boss. On 11/4/16, masmojo wrote: > A

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

A few things: First, yes the bar end Silver Shifters are basically the same thing as the downtube shifters, with the bar end pods. But,it should be noted that, the bar end pod replaces the little travel stop washer thingy that cones with the Silver Shifters when ordered in the downtube

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Yes. When you buy the bar end kit, you get a set of downtube shifters and a set of bar end pods. Note that the downtube shifters are $46, and the bar end pod are $38. $46+$38 = $84, and the bar end kit is $84. It's the same parts. On Friday, November 4, 2016 at 11:03:20 AM UTC-7, Paul

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Can anyone confirm that if I buy the barend kit, I can still install the levers on the downtube if I wanted? I think I read something like that at some point, but can't find it again to confirm. I've got downtube bosses on my bikes already but might need to dig up a cable stops for one of

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

It must be the salt; mine are still as new-looking after 2+ years (dry desert climate). Patrick Moore, in ABQ, NM where it is raining this morning. On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM, lum gim fong wrote: > These shifters are great. The only downside I have experienced is

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

These shifters are great. The only downside I have experienced is that after two years the finish is starting to get a little pockmarked with corrosion. I feel like that's a little early for that to be happening.however I do ride on dry salted winter roads sometimes during the winter. Maybe

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I just ordered a pair. I probably got the last one. On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 6:13 PM, Edwin W wrote: > They are just so durned good looking I am trying to figure out where I > could put them! Ornamentation! > Might try a single stem shifter on my 1x8 Appaloosa. > > Bill

RE: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

1. Since RBW is into calling their bikes . " hobo bikes". How about calling the shifter "___'s toothpick"? Name your favorite hobo in the blank space. 2. Since RBW is into calling their bikes . " Country bikes". How about calling the shifter "___'s toothpick"? Use your favorite

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I use them on bumpy dirt roads over a home-made (ie, ignore the ramps; it's a 15-30)) 9 speed cassette, and they are wonderful -- better than the old Power Ratchets, IME. On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Lee Legrand wrote: > Hey Bill, > > Does the silver shifters work on a 9

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I agree with Reed. Silver downtube shifters are great with 9 speed. That doesn't guarantee you will love them. I find operating a downtube shifter is about as hard as tying ones shoes. It's pretty easy. Some people run Velcro shoes anyway and some people insist on index. I know how to tie my

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Hey Lee, I (and many others here) run friction with these shifters and nine speeds with great aplomb. In fact, I have a set on a bike with a ten speed cassette and it seems to work even *better* there! More on that if you're curious:

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Hey Bill, Does the silver shifters work on a 9 speed cog cassette? I have heard that 9 speed change using a friction shifter is too much. What are your thoughts? On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Yes that looks like the Silver 1. Riv got told that

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Oh modern earnestness! It took me in. On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it > until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and > slot, and the slot is

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

My Silvers Version 1 (mounted on bar end pods) do loosen, as do so many other shifters I've used including the archetypal Power . Me, I used Blue Loctite and button head allen screws, and put the D ring screws in my bin of small spare parts. OTOH, my Simplex Retrofictions -- very fine ratchets

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Ahahaahahahhaha !!! thanks for the laughs Grant ! Yeah, that woud be right there with a diagascrew or a bombahead , the list of odd screws, real or not could be endless . . . . . ahahahahahaaha !!! On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 12:28:55 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > The

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Phew! Existential crisis averted. :) The virtual communication problem of no facial/voice cues making humor hard to spot strikes again! Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 11:28:55 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > The Pantaloon screwhead was...not

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

The Pantaloon screwhead was...not serious. I'd never even heard about it until I googled "unusual screw heads" or something like that. D-ring and slot, and the slot is sized for a dime. On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 6:08:28 AM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote: > > Pentelope? Does that mean I can't

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Either the shifter stays put or it does not. If the chain is really off a bit you can hear it, but a good shifter should still not autoshift easily , a not as good shifter apparently, will. I have not seen the ratchet inside of a Silver shifter to compare with the ST DT version. As I

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Grant, I'm another voice against the pentalobe idea. No other fastener on the bike uses it, it will require a special tool just for the shifter, making maintenance a pain - there's not really a reason to do this, other than theft, perhaps, and if you're still using a D-ring than that's moot.

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Pentelope? Does that mean I can't tighten without a special tool if it loosens on the road? That would be a bad idea. Cyclists have been using the slot and D-ring for decades with no major confusion. -Dave On 10/23/16, Grant Petersen wrote: > This is an early version of the

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

This is an early version of the tightener screw. I'm not sure I like the options it provides--rather confusing. The current one has a pentalobe head (google it until we get the newer version up there). On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Lungimsam wrote: > I hope they keep

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I hope they keep the D rings. So convenient for on the bike tightening!! No screwdriver necessary!!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I love my Silver Shifters. But an LBS says the ratchet ain't strong enough and they autoshift too much. Says the originals they are based on ( I think those are the ones ) stay put better. I might try them sometime. I do get some autoshifts, but cannot say exactly why, thought I think it is

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I wholeheartedly agree with Patrick, downtube shifting has it's place despite all the other options out there now. I prefer DT shifters when using drop bars, despite being 6' and riding largish (62-64cm) frames. I like the much simpler cable routing and find that downtube shifting induces

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Don't carry this line of thought too far! Steel, hand-built wheels, wool clothing, friction shifting, leather shoes, fixed drivetrains, lugged frames, -- you can go on and on about technology that one could argue is in its twilight. There are good reasons for downtube shifters that remain

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I think Bill Lindsay was making a kind offer to buy and hold a backup set of the V1 shifters for me. It's nice to know the Walnut Creek Gang has my back. Call me a crank, but I just hate when good things are "improved" out of their original purpose. Ah well. Progress. On Friday, October

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Patrick, Who is whom talking to? Are you asking about Bill Lindsay's post about buying and holding? If so, I think, (but am not positive), that he is responding to LBleriot's (whoever that is) posts lamenting the end of the road for Silvers V1. It does get a bit confusing in the Google

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I believe they look like a "Goose Neck". No offense, or vote intended, just saying. I do like the alliterative nature of the "THIMBLE THUMBIE" though. On Thursday, October 20, 2016 at 7:12:20 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > If now and then or from the start we call them Thimble

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I have been on this forum since 2012 and I have now come to the conclusion that Bill is either Grant Petersen incognito here on the forum, or RBW's #1 fan.

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Since there are 80 sets of the originals on the shelf, it seems like a good time to buy a back up set, since you like them that much. If you'd rather not risk the $46, I'll buy an extra set and put your name on them. If you need them, let me know. I promise I'll save them until they are my

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

If now and then or from the start we call them Thimble Shifters---if we or I EVER do--Ryan gets a free pair. Since 'tis the season for voting, the polls are open till Saturday at 10 o'clock California time. Silver THIMBLES The SILVER part is alredy in the genes. That's the brand. Model would be

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I like the old down tube style ones and the new thimble ones. Both are nice. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

It's all good, but for me the originals epitomized an "ah, brilliant!" moment you guys are known for. The replacements, for me, for my use, for my style of riding not so much. On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 10:49:52 PM UTC-4, Grant @ Rivendell wrote: > > Downtube shifters are so much

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Good to know that the Dia Compes are still available. On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 7:12 AM, David Banzer wrote: > For those who still want the traditional downtube shifter shape, Dia Compe > makes them with the same ratcheting friction internals as Silver shifters. > It's

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

For those who still want the traditional downtube shifter shape, Dia Compe makes them with the same ratcheting friction internals as Silver shifters. It's cosmetically a little different, but functionally it's the same shifter. I'd guess this is a little bit why Riv is making something new

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

Downtube shifters are so much better than the original Campy shifters that were mounted on the seat stays. But even they were breakthroughs for the time--for the first time ever, a rider should shift remotely. We have a bike here with those "Cambio Corsa" shifters, and anybody who comes by can try

Re: [RBW] Re: Silver 2 shifters

I agree that they will make only makeshift dt shifters -- too bad. Me, I like the shape of the old ones for bar end shifting too, but for that purpose, the new ones will work at least as well. On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM, LBleriot wrote: > Meh. I can't get excited