Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-30 Thread Ben Miller
Patrick, I agree ride quality does take precedence, and we all trust Riv to put that first and foremost, and they deliver. But there is more than one way to skin a cat, as they say, so there are lots of different ways to make a bike that rides well and is durable (the other really important

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-30 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, and I have to say about the Niner: as far as I can tell, it's a very Rivendellian bike in its subordination of form to function; but true, it's not a Rivendellian mannter of subordinating form to function. But that's fine; there is plenty of room for wonderful, practical bikes that are outside

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-30 Thread Patrick Moore
On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 6:25 PM, Ben Miller wrote: > ... end of the day Grant decides what Riv is. (This is said slightly > tongue-in-cheek, but only slightly) > That's true; what is left for debate is, if this is all that Riv is, is it worth following? I've followed

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Philip Williamson
QUICKBEAM! "It's just a road-going track bike that can fit 42mm tires. Totally normal. Retro. Plus it's designed specifically for two gear ratios." "Oh is that all? I'll take two." Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
That's where it can become a boring semantic debate. Somebody could say 'the Roadeo is a road racing bike that can take 32mm tires', and then point to a 1963 Jack Taylor that can take 32mm tires. Still, to me the Roadeo is unique. More BB drop, slacker STA, slightly upsloping TT, etc. Grant

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Orc
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 4:21:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I can't tell if this question is honest curiosity or the beginning of a > semantic debate. I hope it's the former, because semantic debates are > super boring. > Honest curiosity.There has been a LOT of

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Jay Connolly
Great thread, Bill. I love Will's take. My own evolution as an incorrigible tinkerer had been to detach from the opinions of others. I love my bikes, but they are MY bikes and I get a lot of pleasure from figuring it what I want from each one. Jay -- You received this message because you

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
I can't tell if this question is honest curiosity or the beginning of a semantic debate. I hope it's the former, because semantic debates are super boring. Any of them. There is no Rivendell model that is a copy of something that came before, in my opinion. If there's a model that

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Garth
What's a Rivvish bike ? The only place to find the "what" , is where there is no "what". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Orc
On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 2:09:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Rivendell does not copy or replicate any old proven designs. They > design bikes that have never been built before by anyone, ever. > Which frames in particular are you talking about? -david parsons --

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Lee Legrand
I stand corrected by Bill. On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > If you think that list is a retrogrouch list, then I don't know what you > mean with the word "retrogrouch". To me, retrogrouch means "I like this > old thing, and the new thing is crap, and

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
If you think that list is a retrogrouch list, then I don't know what you mean with the word "retrogrouch". To me, retrogrouch means "I like this old thing, and the new thing is crap, and I don't even have to try it to know I hate it". Rivendell is not pro-friction-shifting. Rivendell

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Steve Palincsar
Since when are high bars "retro"?   Anything but, I'd say.  Back in the day, it was inches of bar drop.  You didn't even see bars level with saddle back then, never mind "modern Rivendell sky high". On 10/26/2017 05:45 PM, Lee Legrand wrote: Bill there are retrogrouch aspects of it.

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Lee Legrand
Bill there are retrogrouch aspects of it. Friction shifting High bars for riding Riding for enjoyment rather than fast pace road cycling Lugged steel frame vs composite Tires wider than 25 mm (this is more bucking the system) I view Rivendell as a company that makes bicycle for the vast majority

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Bill Lindsay
It is my opinion that the people who think Rivendell is either "retro" or "retrogrouch" are taking an EXTREMELY short-sighted view of things. You can't see the forest for the lugs if you think Rivendell is using old proven designs. Lugged-steel is an old proven construction method, perhaps.

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
Riding Individualistically Versus Inclusive Stylistic Habituation Or something like that... Brian Cole Lawrenceville, NJ On Thursday, October 26, 2017 at 3:56:28 PM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote: > I always thought Rivish was centered around the retrogrouch philosophy in > which steel lugged

Re: [RBW] Re: What is a Rivvish bike?

2017-10-26 Thread Lee Legrand
I always thought Rivish was centered around the retrogrouch philosophy in which steel lugged frame, wide tires for comfort, bicycling is for enjoyment and travel over speed, modern technology is good but the old design has proven itself to work well, therefore no need to constantly move with