Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

quite simply, all butyl tubes feel like an electric toothbrush next to latex tubes. I have used Stans in my latex tubes with a large glass shard in a Barlow, and the Stans lasted as long as the remaining tire tread. On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:28:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > To

Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

I think we're getting into generalizations here. Car drivers, recreational cyclists, long-distance riders, truck drivers, pedestrians, competitive cyclists out training--there are of course bad apples in every bunch. Maybe I'm lucky, but most of the racers I've ridden/trained with on public

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

To confirm: you noticed a difference in the Compass tires with latex instead of butyl tubes? Certainly Compass ELs with standard tubes roll wonderfully. That would indeed be an amazing ride, just short, I daresay, of running Compass tires tubeless. I've looked for 559 X skinny and 650C ("See")

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Tubus offers excellent, threaded aluminum clamps for lowrider racks; these are head, shoulders, and knees above P clamps. Wayne at TheTouringStoredotcom has very good prices on Tubus and Ortlieb, among other marques, and all associated kit, and is very easy to work with. On Mon, May 23, 2016 at

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

Note, it's also possible they're simply re-rating them and changing the package to hit the 650b market. Could be the reason for the CRC closeout price... On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 10:07:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Especially if you're planning to stock up on 700c (try ribble?) possibly >

Re: [RBW] Re: S3X wheel: first impressions and home-hacked Cambio Corsa-type shifter

I agree that for most riding it is not worth the annoying lash or the weight, and for most of my local riding I simply prefer to flip the wheel, stand and grunt, or to walk. But frankly, I arranged this setup for eventual longer rides -- the missed, this past Sunday's Santa Fe Century (I would

[RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Thanks, Zach. I read that older thread about the Hillborne-Tara conundrum. Sounds like p-clamps or the adapters sold a few places are the answer. I'll send you an e-mail right now. On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 11:03:10 AM UTC-4, Zach Duval wrote: > > I've got a Tubus Tara I haven't been using as

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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[RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

Hi Bill, Do you think the long chainstays would help the stoker's ride quality? That might be a consideration to keep it longer (not a wheelbase thing). Shoji On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 1:09:08 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I had my phone in the charger in my car. As I was getting out

[RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

I've got a Tubus Tara I haven't been using as well as a pair of Seattle Sports waterproof pannier in blue. I would probably be willing to part with both. The Tara does require a hack to work on the Hillsborne's not quote low enough mid-fork mounts. Others here could probably advise a few

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

Especially if you're planning to stock up on 700c (try ribble?) possibly add a couple of these to kick up to free shipping level. If anything, all you're going to face is a little thicker tube, but the slight diameter stretch is going to keep them from buckling anywhere. If it doesn't work,

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Slight thread drift, apologies, but since Tubus lowriders were brought up - what's the max tire size that generally fits the Tara? Trying to figure out if the normal Tara or the Big Apple would be necessary. I'm running 700c Thunder Burts (about 51mm I think on narrow-ish rims). Thanks, David

[RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Hi Folks, I am looking for advice on (and I WTB) front lowrider racks for my canti Hillborne. I am mostly interested in lowrider racks like the Tubus Tara or Duo. Riv's HAR is nice, as are the Nitto Campee and Big Front Rack, but they're probably too pricey for me, even used, unless you're

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

I take it the toothbrush analogy describes the smoothness of the latex tubes. What about speed, or the sensation of speed? (For me, this is felt *not* by buzz but by feeling of torque/cadence related to effort.) My Elk Pass tires just feel easier to pedal than the not-bad-themselves Kojaks. On

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") wide tires, as they state 1.9-2.2". What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against the rim? Would it crease inside the tire and

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

This makes sense, but I could see why it would matter less for a tandem. For simplicity, imagine a rider on a single bike that sits exactly half way between the axles. A 1" vertical bump at the rear wheel would be felt as 1/2" at the saddle. But on an imaginary tandem with equal 1/3 spacing

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

On 05/23/2016 01:53 PM, iamkeith wrote: This makes sense, but I could see why it would matter less for a tandem. For simplicity, imagine a rider on a single bike that sits exactly half way between the axles. A 1" vertical bump at the rear wheel would be felt as 1/2" at the saddle. But on

Re: [RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

Hopefully you could see the grate in the distance and I would start gesturing at the obstacle on your right and constantly yell grate and start leaning left to move away from the obstacle. All roadies would understand what is happening and give you space. Lean to the left without moving to the

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

I've seen the Olympic Center peloton a few times out riding, but always cross current to me (I'm going up as they go down, or vice-versa). I've wondered what it would be like to pass them, er, for them to pass me. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice, Nigel Smythe, Minnehaha bags; Nitto Campee front rack w/ detachable lowriders

All sold. Thanks! On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 10:04:35 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote: > > For sale are three bags and a Nitto Campee rack. Details below, photos > here https://flic.kr/s/aHskADwFKN > > > 1) Carradice Barley saddlebag. Green. Very good condition. $85 shipped > w/in conus. > > > 2)

[RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

Hi Shoji I'm going to say "no", I don't think longer chainstays do anything for what I would call "ride quality". That's just my opinion, and I don't have any strong empirical evidence for it. Also, I've never been a stoker. I think the 'ride quality' most people think about for stokers is

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

Keith is exactly right (in my humble opinion). Moving the rear wheel back relative to one's tuckus reduces the magnitude of the bump you feel. How much does it reduce the bump? By the same percentage that you increased the wheelbase. So a 2.5cm increase of chainstay length increases the

Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Thanks, Bill. My Sam has eyelets just under my canti mounts and near the bottom of the fork blades. Hopefully that clears it up. On Monday, May 23, 2016, Bill Lindsay wrote: > Bob > > Most Rivendell bikes in 2016 come with fork tips that have rack/fender > eyelets both

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

On 05/23/2016 01:26 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: Hi Shoji I'm going to say "no", I don't think longer chainstays do anything for what I would call "ride quality". That's just my opinion, and I don't have any strong empirical evidence for it. Also, I've never been a stoker. I think the 'ride

[RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Bob Most Rivendell bikes in 2016 come with fork tips that have rack/fender eyelets both above and below the fork tip. My 2009 Hillborne only has eyelets below the fork tips which limits the choices of what I can run. The Hub Area Rack, for example, is intended to run on the upper set, which

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

On 05/23/2016 10:17 AM, René Sterental wrote: I saw these, but I'm concerned they'd be too big for 650b 42mm (1.6") wide tires, as they state 1.9-2.2". What would be the risk of trying to go with a wider tube in a narrower tire, assuming you are able to mount it without pinching it against

Re: [RBW] Re: Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Thanks, Patrick. That's what the older thread said, as well. David, no thread drift apology necessary. I was wondering the same thing in reference to my 47 Schwalbes, which I'd run if the weather allowed me to leave fenders at home... What about panniers? What's the best value/quality

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

Same goes for single bikes. The longer chainstays on Rivendells move the wheel a little farther back and help take the edge off of the bumps, compared to “racing” bikes with shorter stays. In fact, my Richard Sachs has long-than-racing-normal chainstays for the same reason. It has an inch of

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I think Rich may be on to something. But is this really a problem or is it theoretical? There are probably 100s of thousands, if not million of bikes out there with disc brakes! Yes, it's new for road bikes, but there have been disc brake mtbs and cross bikes for at least what 5, if not 10

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

"But what would it feel like on a super short wheel base tandem where the stoker is sitting virtually on top of the rear wheel? " Let's look at numbers. I'll assert that the Salsa Powderkeg is a typical enough tandem. 187cm wheelbase, 45cm chainstay, 74cm boom tube (connecting the BBs).

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

For sure an unhappy stoker is a bummer. Tandems have evolved over the last 50 years, to be sure, and make the stoker's existence more pleasant. On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 12:55:48 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > On 05/23/2016 02:42 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > OK Steve. If you aren't

[RBW] Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

Group riders tend to lose independant perspective. I think it comes from the sheer amount of concentration when riding at speed in a tight pack and also just trying to keep up. It the lead rider went wide around you, the pack would probably have snaked out and given you room. Taking the lane

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Replacing a warped disc is a lot cheaper than rebuilding a wheel. A customer brought in his tandem wheel a few weeks ago. It had a slightly dented rim. If the tandem had rim brakes he would have needed the rim replaced. But since it is disc, all it needed was a bit of truing. The dent isn't bad

[RBW] Re: Experience with mini "half clips" ?

Thanks for all the replies. I ended up buying some of the MKS Cage Half Clips, and put about 75 miles on with them over the weekend, then about 20 more miles in the city today. On the 75mi ride (actually split up into 2 days) I wore samba-like sneakers, and felt like I really had to lift my

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

On 05/23/2016 02:42 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: OK Steve. If you aren't comfortable with the math, give me the numbers and I will hit the calculator buttons for you. What is the wheelbase of your tandem of interest? what is the chainstay length of your tandem of interest? What is the boom tube

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 1:15:21 PM UTC-7, Mike in WA wrote: > > The only maintenance I've had to do on Avid BB7's in a year of running > them is adjusting the calipers every so often with then turn of a screw and > changing the pads. I do not miss having to try to conjure devil magic (or >

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

On 05/23/2016 04:56 PM, Lungimsam wrote: Sprung saddle sounds like it would be standard for stoker. except for the effect... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: Opinions on the 52cm Bosco?

Buy the 52 and the 55I believe Riv will let you return...You will probably like them. On Saturday, May 21, 2016 at 12:09:52 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote: > > Hi all- > > > I’m experimenting with handlebars on my new Riv. I’ve had the Albatrosses > on a number of previous bikes (and now this

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth checking out. Those should fit well. Patrick, the subtleness of your descriptions sometimes escapes me, but I'd venture to say that the latex tubes on the Compass tires makes them feel a lot smoother. Whether they actually roll

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

I vote with the omission club rather than commission. They're nose down and locked into their neighbors. Your best defense is long-distance anticipation of what's ahead, holding the white line or wider and forcing them to think and eventually pass. The good news is, you only have to make

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

The only maintenance I've had to do on Avid BB7's in a year of running them is adjusting the calipers every so often with then turn of a screw and changing the pads. I do not miss having to try to conjure devil magic (or relying on LBS) to adjust V-brakes to reduce squealing or (worse) cantis

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 12:27:38 PM UTC-7, Peter White wrote: > > Replacing a warped disc is a lot cheaper than rebuilding a wheel. A > customer brought in his tandem wheel a few weeks ago. It had a slightly > dented rim. If the tandem had rim brakes he would have needed the rim >

[RBW] Spikes, Pedals, Shins

Hey there, I have clipless pedals and shoes and most of the things in the shoes ruse article don't really ring true for me. Clipless pedals are great and the longer the ride, the better they are for me. However whenever I put clipless pedals on a bike that is the bike I never ride, so I use

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

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Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Rim brakes are better because discs are getting popular. Friction is better because indexing is everywhere. Steel is best because it's outdated! Yes, I wear a wind up watch. Rob "elevate from the norm" Markwardt Seattle, WA > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Re: RBWHQ spy report

OK Steve. If you aren't comfortable with the math, give me the numbers and I will hit the calculator buttons for you. What is the wheelbase of your tandem of interest? what is the chainstay length of your tandem of interest? What is the boom tube length? I'll be glad to run those numbers

[RBW] Single TT 67cm Hilsen with braze-on centerpulls!

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hilsen-67x.htm That's pretty swank. One of you tall folks should go check that out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

To those people who have tried Ebikes only one thing I would mention & that is that not all systems work the same AND in only the last couple years most systems have improved measurably. I don't have any real knowledge of this unfortunately, beyond my recent online research on the subject,

Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

Yes, the varying levels of pedal assist make for a much more bicycle-like ride than the ones where you just jam the throttle and hold on. Mine has both, but Faraday makes a lovely PAS-only bike; they purposely eschew a throttle so that their classicly styled double-tuber remains a bicycle. I

[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

Hi Ryan, Maybe try RMX sneaker pedals? I have them on my AHH, and they are terrific for Just Ride-- no sharp edges, look great, spin freely, and even have reflectors. (I do prefer VP thin gripsters for grip and trail riding.) Oh yeah, price on RMX is v nice, too. good luck, shoji On Monday,

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

Thanks. I'll be very interested in hearing any further perceptions. I really must look further for 650C tubes in latex. On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 1:42 PM, René Sterental wrote: > Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth > checking out. Those should fit

Re: [RBW] Re: eCLEM

Hi Joe, I think the eCLEM is awesome. I'm tempted to help with shlepping the kids and also having my spouse out more with me/us on rides. Don't think we're in the market for it now, though. Tailwinds-- just dial it up by throttle! shoji On Sunday, May 22, 2016 at 4:19:02 PM UTC-4, Joe

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

New to the supple tube zeitgeist and was wondering: 1. Really?!?! First supple tires and now supple tubes? ;) 2. Is their any research on safety of butyl vs. latex? Specifically with flats resulting in catastrophic tears? Like does a simple puncture in latex develop into a blowout tear faster

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

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[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

I know it must be fun to gain the speed of a paceline. But one cannot say they finished the ride under ones own steam. Racers understandably use plines. But I dont get randonneurs using pacelines though. Comeradery. But seems it flies in the face of the self sufficiency ethic. Ill admit that

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

On a slight tangent, I think its too bad that the value of doing bump and touch drills gets so little (if any) attention outside of racing oriented cycling. Things we'd rather didn't do happen, and when they do it can help to have developed skills for dealing with them ahead of time. On

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

#1 rule in a training paceline is whoever is at the front is in charge of the safety of everyone else following. That's what I was taught decades ago. Many, if not most of us have either pointed out potholes and glass, put your open palm facing backwards on your butt to indicate a stop ahead,

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

Rene, I believe I was mistaken and the 42mm is is just the valve stem length. (though 42mm tire width is 1.65") On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:42:09 PM UTC-5, René wrote: > > Got it. I won't risk it. The link to those rated 42mm is worth > checking out. Those should fit well. > >> >> -- You

Re: [RBW] Seeking advice (and WTB) front lowrider rack and panniers for canti Sam

Still hoping for some more offers on panniers and front racks! Bill, et al--You can *just barely* make out the eyelets on the front fork in the second picture here: https://goo.gl/photos/NFB2MPCKR3ZdKK796 Also, if I understand the older thread about the Tubus Tara correctly, the upper eyelets

Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

If you're looking for another low-profile option, I've had good luck with the VP-535 / VP Grind (I've seen them called both). They are cheap and comfortable. Not quite as grippy as the VP-001, but they work just fine in the dry with sneakers. And no cut shins. Eric On Monday, May 23, 2016 at

[RBW] Re: Aggressive cycling pack and I slipped up today

I concur. Furthermore, you have to understand that the riders behind you can't really see what's in front (the drain), until they passed you. By then, the line is established and following riders won't know this from that. By riding your own (safe) line, you would have assured that the peloton

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

they transform even the smaller sizes of Compass EL tires (or any fine casing/ supple tires) - they run quieter and that, by definition, means the run faster, because noise is kinetic energy being lost by the tire. They also reward lower pressures - they actually become too bouncy at too high

[RBW] Re: eCLEM

Yep yep, that's the way I would go if I was starting from scratch with a new kit. This one pulled from an old KHS is very rear-heavy, which works well enough on the very stable CLEM with long chainstays, but it's not ideal. The first thing I'll change when this battery wears out is to put a new

Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

Funny - I wear keens almost exclusively, for 7 months a year. I was SO excited when they came out with those bike sandals. But they're about 1/2 the width of their regular sandals, and I literally cannot even get them on my feet. My SPD bike "shoe" of choice is currently the Nashbar sandal,

Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

VP-001 has become my least-favorite platform pedal - the center of the pedal at the outermost point is like an intentional knife edge, and it's so far away from the pedal spikes, it's pointless for it to stick out that far. The other pedals I ride, Raceface Atlas, Straitline Amp and

[RBW] Re: hard cases for shipping

Thanks for the reply, Doug. (And that's also a good idea regarding the dimension stenciling.) Like Matt, I'm also a bit uneasy about putting my bike in a cardboard box. Maybe I'm just paranoid, as of course lots of brand new bikes are shipped that way (although they probably do a better job

Re: [RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

I'll second the MKS sneaker pedals. Good grip for something without all the shin eatin pins. I was actually really surprised at how well they gripped. I think of it like this. Thin gripsters too much, Grip Kings not enough, especially if you add any amount of h2o, sneaker pedals just

[RBW] Re: Experience with mini "half clips" ?

With 40 years' practice, I'm pretty good at getting in the 2nd toe clip on the first half-rev. But what my daughter hated was dragging it around for several revs before getting the second foot engaged. On Monday, May 23, 2016 at 2:51:43 PM UTC-5, Jack B wrote: > > ... > > Around town I found

[RBW] Re: Spikes, Pedals, Shins

Man, you describe me and my struggles to an absolute T: Clipless are still best for long rides; but I don't use a bike nearly as often if so fitted; I enjoy platform pedals most of the time; but am scarred, scabbed and bloody all summer long. I got all the way to shin bone last year. I'm

[RBW] Re: eCLEM

Thanks Joe. The Alfine/Nexus IGH works quite will with the e-assist, being able to downshift while stationary if I forget to do so before stopping for a light. It adds noticeable weight to the rear wheel and the steps are as nice as the 2 x 9 on my Sam, but they balance out the weight of the

Re: [RBW] Always heard this about latex tubes

All correct there, Rene. It seems redundant to say these improve supple tires, but they do indeed. I flatted last week, put in quick butyl spare on roadside and was delighted to get my latex back in - rode it yesterday and giggled the whole 35 mi. Don't know of any for 650B, but Michelin

[RBW] Re: S3X wheel: first impressions and home-hacked Cambio Corsa-type shifter

I briefly tried a S3X hub. I was excited about it having ridden primarily fixed gear for over a year at the time when they were available. I built it up and had the kit that came with a barend shifter. I used the shifter on a dt boss instead of barend. Took it for a spin and hated the lash. I