[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Lum Gim Fong]

So is there really any diff between a hypothetical Waterford, Toyo, and Taiwan 
Atlantis (fully lugged braising construction-wise)?

If one was made by all three, could anyone tell a difference?

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[RBW] XTR RD-952

[DonandDebi Ward]

Does anyone out there have a Shimano XTR RD m-952 that they would be interested 
in selling?

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[DarinM]

Thanks for posting Jonathan, now I remember being intrigued by that 
"diversion attempt."

Looks awesome. Intersecting the DT means you don't have to paint a 
weird/difficult line around a fillet on the cream head tube, but I wonder 
if there is any other advantage to doing it this way.

It seems like fillet brazed frames coming out of Taiwan is kind of a new 
thing in the past few months (Crust LB, Frank Jones Sr. BB), does that seem 
accurate to others? Is it cheaper than lugs?

Darin

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:38:37 PM UTC-7, Jonathan wrote:
>
> Grant posted a photo of a frame with a curved 2nd tube in this thread 
> about the Silver shifters back in December. 
>
> Silver Shifter 2 project revived 
> 
>
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:31:10 PM UTC-5, DarinM wrote:
>>
>> I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models 
>> follow suit. 
>>
>> Bill, can you link to what you suspect is a picture of the curvy TT XL? I 
>> don't see anything like that on their insta. The Blug description sounds 
>> really cool/interesting but I'm having trouble visualizing a curved second 
>> TT. Would it be step-through style or will the TT still be straight? I'm 
>> really excited to see this project even though I wouldn't be able to buy 
>> one anytime soon.
>>
>> Darin
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
>>> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
>>> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
>>> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
>>> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
>>> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
>>> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
>>> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
>>> hand.  
>>>
>>> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[dougP]

Organizations have to evolve as their environment changes.  Products have 
to evolve as markets change.  We can all imagine the discussions at 
Rivendell over major changes to an iconic model.  This had to be an 
especially tough situation:  reduce cost while retaining the spirit of the 
bike; get sales up to a level to support production; update in terms of 
current philosophy on geometry without sacrificing ride quality & utility.  
Over the life of the Atlantis, they've likely learned some things that will 
reflect in the new version.  The design had already gotten longer 
chainstays and 650B wheels in the mid sizes.  This is probably an excellent 
strategic move, and I hope it gets people excited to buy one.  

dougP (still in love with my '03)

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[VeloVert]

On the biggest sizes, the “top” top tube is straight but slopes up and the 
“bottom” top tube curves like the top part of a circle.


On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:31:10 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote:
>
> I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models 
> follow suit. 
>
> Bill, can you link to what you suspect is a picture of the curvy TT XL? I 
> don't see anything like that on their insta. The Blug description sounds 
> really cool/interesting but I'm having trouble visualizing a curved second 
> TT. Would it be step-through style or will the TT still be straight? I'm 
> really excited to see this project even though I wouldn't be able to buy 
> one anytime soon.
>
> Darin
>

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Max S]

Verrry inteesting 

My low trail Ebisu 650b is the bees knees, though I'm interested in 
something with even fatter tire compatibility (say 50 with generous fender 
clearance vs. 38) and an upslope to the TT (which would be a first here!). 

Of the current Riv offerings, a Sam would seem to be the closest, but the 
59cm/650b Atlantis is even better... Given the price and the wait, This 
forthcoming Neu-'Tlantis could be the bike with the magic combo. A sell-off 
of current holdings may be in the making, as details develop! 

- Max in A2


On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:10:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Jan Heine Video Interview

[Eric Norris]

The folks at Path Less Pedaled interview Jan Heine this week, talking about 
(among other things), 650B and Jan’s role in promoting this and supple tires in 
general.

https://youtu.be/x6x5VC2nAuE 


--Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Joe Bernard]

I would argue the Bleriot and Quickbeam compete for best name/badge, but of 
current models Atlantis wins, hands down. Agreed about the color, too, it's 
fantastic. 

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[RBW] Sackville Banana Sax

[A CT Cyclist]

Hi, can any Banana Sax owners  provide the bag's dimensions? 

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Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

[Tony DeFilippo]

Hi Jim,

Yes 135mm rear spacing for the original 27 1/4" wheelset that I replaced with 
700c.  The canti studs and original Diacompe canti brakes accommodated the swap.

Thankfully shipping was avoided, an out of town buyer had an in town relative, 
so I dropped off the bike Sunday just a couple miles from my home.

Shipping cost and worse - the breaking down the bike and packaging would have 
been a mess.

I'm hoping to get my HHH built up this coming Sunday, can't wait!

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Tony DeFilippo]

Anything to get the Atlantis back in the Riv standard list of offerings... As 
good as so many of their frames, especially the new ones are I can't help but 
believe they are all slight to not so slight chips off that original block.

If the modern Atlantis is a lugged Clem in a larger spread of sizes I think 
it's a winner - and that is a compliment to both the Clem and the Atlantis imo. 
 Extra tire clearance never hurt anyone.

Still the best name, best headbadge and most instantly recognizable color 
scheme...


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[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

[Linda G]

I stand corrected if 50 cm isn't considered a small frame. I guess my main 
point was that shorter, lighter people (many of them women) might 
appreciate a less stout frame and if those frames sold it would be good for 
Rivendell. I have trouble finding a frame that works for me and may not be 
the only one.  

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:04:20 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Did you mean small as in sizing or less stout?  If less stout, I agree. 
>  If sizing, I disagree that riv says they don't sell.  A person riding a 50 
> cm roadini would be on a 52 Hillborne.  That size range smallish medium 
> seems to sell out pretty quickly.

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Steve Palincsar]

Still basically a sandbox, not the real world at large.   Life is 
different out in the real world, where the maps are full of roads that 
exist only on paper, the white lines don't get maintained, and random 
chaos rules.  You can go 2 million miles around a closed track and still 
not have ten car lengths' real world experience.



On 03/19/2018 09:58 PM, Jim M. wrote:

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:58:21 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory


I'm not going to argue that autonomous cars are ready for prime time, 
but they're still in the lab only if you consider the streets of 
Mountain View, the Golden Gate Bridge, and the road around Lake Tahoe 
the lab. Google cars alone have driven 2 million miles in those areas 
and others. To date, most, if not all, of the accidents they have been 
in were caused by human drivers of other cars.




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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[tc]

Oh man, I want one!  Weehoo - a lower priced Atlantis FINALLY!

Wait, I have a  58 Sam.  I'd ride a 61 Atlantis with the current Waterford 
geometry.

Why would I want the newly re-imagined Atlantis?

New Atlantis will have same top tube angle as my Sam, so there's that.  

Additionally, my 58 Sam chain stay is 45.5cm.  Current 61 Atlantis chain 
stay is 48, and the re-imagined ones will be even longer?

So maybe it'll will be a beefier forked Sam with longer chainstays, painted 
Atlantis green.  And maybe more water bottle braze ons?

Is Atlantis tubing in general more stout?


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>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis
>

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[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

[Jim M.]

Congratulations on your first Riv! The Roadini is a great riding bike, as 
are all Rivs in my  opinion. We do want pictures when you can.

jim m
walnut creek, ca

On Saturday, March 17, 2018 at 10:31:23 AM UTC-7, Linda G wrote:
>
> I might be wrong, but it appears that this size sold out on the website. I 
> bought one, my first Rivendell frame. I like the Rivendell philosophy but 
> their frames are generally too heavy duty for my uses, height and weight. 
> Since they came out with something closer to what I want I voted with my 
> dollars. I haven't finished building it up so I can't say for sure that it 
> will work out but it looks promising. I used to own a 1984 Trek 620 which I 
> toured all over on. The frame tubing on that bike appeared very similar to 
> the Roadini. I'll bet with heavier wheels I could tour on this bike, though 
> I don't plan to do so.
>

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Jim M.]

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:58:21 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory 
>

I'm not going to argue that autonomous cars are ready for prime time, but 
they're still in the lab only if you consider the streets of Mountain View, 
the Golden Gate Bridge, and the road around Lake Tahoe the lab. Google cars 
alone have driven 2 million miles in those areas and others. To date, most, 
if not all, of the accidents they have been in were caused by human drivers 
of other cars. 

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[RBW] What happened to bullmoose bars?

[Joe Bernard]

The last original Bullmoose - the flattish mountain bikey one - sold on the 
Last Chance Specials page recently. I don't think they were a big seller in Riv 
World, which tends towards the pullback types. 

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[RBW] FS: Velocity Synergy Front Wheel (Rich Lesnik Built)

[Irving]

This post 
 reminded 
me to get this spare wheel outta my apartment!

Velocity Synergy front wheel, laced up by Rich Lesnik, so u know it's good. 
700c, 36h spoke, 100mm spacing, Shimano Deore LX hub. Velox rim rape and 
skewer. Used sparingly by me because I'm all about the dynamo life and 
previous owner 

Local pickup for $75 (SF), $95 shipped

https://photos.app.goo.gl/32ZfDte0vFuiklMf2

Irving
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Jonathan D.]

It does make me wonder what role the Joe Appaloosa plays now and it seems like 
some mdels will be dropped.  I already thought Joe was the Taiwan Atlantis and 
Sam the Taiwan AHH, Roadeo = Roadini. Excited to see pics. 

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[RBW] What happened to bullmoose bars?

[Mike K.]

So I hadn’t been on the site in a while, but was looking for Bullmoose bars and 
realized they were taken off the site. 

Do we know why?

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[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, all!

Carla, nae such thin’ as bad weather, only bad clothing. Grin.

Ash, I do. I just use a timer and a Gorilla tripod I wrap around tree branches. 
The predicessor to this: 
https://joby.com/phone-tripods-tablet-stands/griptight-pro-all/griptight-pro-phone

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Joe Bernard]

Today I delivered a bike in a very tippy and strange U-Haul van after not 
sleeping well last night. I like cars and driving, but I'm quite sure a 
computer would have been a more competent operator of that contraption than I 
was. 

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Ash]

Good point Steve.

>> "computer-driven cars are safer than people-driven"

Not sure if this domain can be generalized like that.  There are so many 
independent projects underway.  The statement might be true for the leading 
one or two, but majority them are still buggy, not close to being 
road-worthy and unsafe, likely.

On Monday, 19 March 2018 15:58:21 UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 03/19/2018 06:39 PM, Eric Norris wrote: 
> > By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 
> > 2015, which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours. 
> > 
> > It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” 
> > story that triggers all sorts of worries about technology gone wrong. 
> > The facts, however, might indicate that, mile for mile, 
> > computer-driven cars are safer than people-driven. More research and 
> > work is needed, but overall I for one am hopeful for a future in which 
> > safer cars drive themselves. 
> > 
>
> Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory I think 
> it's premature to say they "are safer".  They "aren't" anything at all 
> yet, just a lab experiment. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

[Ash]

Nice post Patrick!  I'll try to remind myself of your rides like this one 
before I decide to skip the bike because it is drizzling :)

Btw, who takes those pictures?  Do you have one of those drones that 
follows you? 


On Monday, 19 March 2018 17:49:47 UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Great photos! I admire your gumption for always getting out no matter the 
> weather!

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[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

[Daniel D.]

Did you mean small as in sizing or less stout?  If less stout, I agree.  If 
sizing, I disagree that riv says they don't sell.  A person riding a 50 cm 
roadini would be on a 52 Hillborne.  That size range smallish medium seems to 
sell out pretty quickly.

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[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

[Carla Waugh]

Great photos! I admire your gumption for always getting out no matter the 
weather!

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Ray Varella]

Bill,
 There was a “spy photo” that Grant posted in a thread a while back. 
I don’t recall what the discussion was about and don’t know what heading to 
search for. 
That might also be the frame you were thinking of. He hinted that it was 
something in the possible works. 

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Jonathan]

Grant posted a photo of a frame with a curved 2nd tube in this thread about 
the Silver shifters back in December. 

Silver Shifter 2 project revived 



On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:31:10 PM UTC-5, DarinM wrote:
>
> I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models 
> follow suit. 
>
> Bill, can you link to what you suspect is a picture of the curvy TT XL? I 
> don't see anything like that on their insta. The Blug description sounds 
> really cool/interesting but I'm having trouble visualizing a curved second 
> TT. Would it be step-through style or will the TT still be straight? I'm 
> really excited to see this project even though I wouldn't be able to buy 
> one anytime soon.
>
> Darin
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
>> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
>> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
>> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
>> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
>> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
>> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
>> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
>> hand.  
>>
>> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>

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[RBW] OT: gransfors bruk

[Andrew Huston]

Anyone here buy a smaller hatchet  and wish they bought the small forest axe?  
I did the opposite. If you want one larger, I want one smaller. Let’s swap and 
both be happy. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Silver bar-end right-hand shifter pod

[Ron Mc]

yes, those two should get together

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> Franklyn, check Mat Grewe's "cockpit items for sale" post. He has pods. 

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bin Chen]

I'm in favor of it. I love my Atlantis to death but I couldn't have 
afforded it new. Luckily I bought it used. Happy for those that will be 
able to enjoy a similar ride in the future :)

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

[WETH]

Patrick,
What a fun adventure!  The last photo is spectacular and iconic! 
Erl

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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

[Coconutbill]

grey knickers sold,
black pants sale pending

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[iamkeith]

Very interesting news.  So many questions

Ironically, the 2016 geometry revisions - particularly the addition of the 
59cm/650b - have had me seriously trying to figure out how to swing an 
Atlantis purchase for the first time ever.  I've continued to think of that 
model as my aspirational zenith.  Not obsolete at all.   Simply not a good 
physical fit until now and, at the waterford price, I just was not willing 
to settle.   I bet others feel the same.   

The 2016 sizes already went from 2 degree top tubes to 3 degrees, so 6 
degrees will be interesting.  I assume that means a shift to the "expanded 
sizing' and a lot fewer size increments again, which unfortunately has not 
been kind to me.  But I'm crossing my fingers, and can't wait to see what 
they come up with.

Wonder if they'll change the decal to say "Atlantis 3."

Also interesting to think of the fillet brazed bottom bracket as a 
"shortcut," and wonder what the rationale is for doing so IF I'm right 
about there being fewer sizes and which would mean a need for fewer 
distinct shell castings.I always thought of that as a high-end custom 
detail. 

Lastly, here's crossing my fingers that lugs at the head tube retain the 
'points' instead of the rounded shape like on the more pedestrian models

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 4:10:48 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Eric Norris]

Well, they’re out in the world, so they’ve escaped the lab.

Note that I referred to a *future* in which safer cars drive themselves. We may 
not be there yet.

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/19/2018 06:39 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
>> By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 2015, 
>> which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours.
>> 
>> It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” story 
>> that triggers all sorts of worries about technology gone wrong. The facts, 
>> however, might indicate that, mile for mile, computer-driven cars are safer 
>> than people-driven. More research and work is needed, but overall I for one 
>> am hopeful for a future in which safer cars drive themselves.
>> 
> 
> Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory I think it's 
> premature to say they "are safer".  They "aren't" anything at all yet, just a 
> lab experiment.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

[Deacon Patrick]

In which I ride when I couldn’t have pre-fixed, for a frozen derailure and loss 
of brakes, but all’s good with fixed! And there’s testing out the new wider 
writing board (works great cross legged too now!), saddle as backrest exposé, 
coffee, pipe, and narrowly avoided snow down me back. 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/well-heres-a-spot-a-snow

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/19/2018 06:39 PM, Eric Norris wrote:
By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 
2015, which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours.


It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” 
story that triggers all sorts of worries about technology gone wrong. 
The facts, however, might indicate that, mile for mile, 
computer-driven cars are safer than people-driven. More research and 
work is needed, but overall I for one am hopeful for a future in which 
safer cars drive themselves.




Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory I think 
it's premature to say they "are safer".  They "aren't" anything at all 
yet, just a lab experiment.




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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bill Lindsay]

On Rivs Instagram on my phone there are three photos per row. On row 17 there’s 
a photo of inside Riv hq with the caption “will talking shop”. It also has the 
hashtag #rivbikesaturdays. Hanging in the background is a big unpainted frame 
with the curvatube I saw. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Bill Lindsay]

Maybe I saw it in person, or maybe I’m thinking of Kevens weird curvature 
custom. If you don’t find it on Rivs Instagram then I’m sure I won’t find it. 

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Re: [RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

[James Warren]

This is great news! I was just thinking yesterday that the Atlantis, with its large price tag Waterford construction, had moved to a state that had gotten away from its original mission - more affordable all-rounder. Now I realize that it's almost 19 years since the original creation of the model, and yes, things change: incrementally over the years, the factors that have pushed the Atlantis frame to $2700 all make sense. But despite all that, I'm glad that the company recognizes the importance of a more moderately priced awesome all-rounder, and that the Atlantis deserves that distinction (even though Hillborne and Appaloosa cover that duty well also.) And to me, I don't see this as sad that the Atlantis is changing. It already has changed, or at least circumstances surrounding it have changed - the current price of $2700 is a strong indication of those changes.- Jim W.-Original Message-
From: Bill Lindsay 
Sent: Mar 19, 2018 3:10 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch 
Subject: [RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on hand.  The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CA 



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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[Drw]

I am both happy that they are making cheaper bikes and also happy that i 
have a waterford atlantis. I wonder a little about the purpose of keeping a 
bike like the appaloosa in the lineup when the atlantis will be a similar 
price and get longer stays (and presumably hunqapillar will also go the 
same way).  In general, i think the model lineup could be tightened up. 

I'd like to see the hunqapillar go plus sized and full mountainy. keep the 
atlantis as tour/all rounder. Sam OR hilsen as road/all rounder. Roadini as 
road bike and clem as even more budget oriented bikes. Then they could play 
with some weirder, Rosco-like experiments without trying to maintain orders 
for 10 different models

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Eric Norris]

By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 2015, 
which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours.

It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” story 
that triggers all sorts of worries about technology gone wrong. The facts, 
however, might indicate that, mile for mile, computer-driven cars are safer 
than people-driven. More research and work is needed, but overall I for one am 
hopeful for a future in which safer cars drive themselves.

NHTSA stats: Pedestrians - CrashStats - NHTSA 

 

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> On Mar 19, 2018, at 2:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> There's a lot of detail missing here. Neither the car nor the person in the 
> driver's seat avoided the pedestrian, which makes me question if the accident 
> would have been the same with a person doing all the driving. 
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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

[Joe Bernard]

Interesting. A short while back I alluded to the idea that Riv seemed headed 
out of the Waterford-frames business in favor of the Taiwan stuff people will 
actually pay for, and don't require a long might-change-my-mind wait. I think 
the Taiwan shop does immaculate work, and I like being able to afford them. I'm 
all in!

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Jim M.]

On average, there are 3,300 car accident fatalities each day in the US. All 
the research I've seen so far says autonomous cars are better than humans. 
At least, they don't look at their phones while driving.

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[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

[DarinM]

I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models follow 
suit. 

Bill, can you link to what you suspect is a picture of the curvy TT XL? I 
don't see anything like that on their insta. The Blug description sounds 
really cool/interesting but I'm having trouble visualizing a curved second 
TT. Would it be step-through style or will the TT still be straight? I'm 
really excited to see this project even though I wouldn't be able to buy 
one anytime soon.

Darin

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
> Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
> tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
> yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
> little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
> from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
> but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
> to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
> hand.  
>
> The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA 
>

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Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Patrick Moore]

This is not a solution, just a description of another day and another
place; a galaxy long, long ago, and far, far away. Dave Moulton on cars,
bikes, and everyday transportation in 1950s. Rationing in its entirety
ended only in 1954.

http://davesbikeblog.squarespace.com/blog/2010/7/29/once-upon-a-time-britain-had-a-bike-culture.html

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> There's a lot of detail missing here. Neither the car nor the person in
> the driver's seat avoided the pedestrian, which makes me question if the
> accident would have been the same with a person doing all the driving.
>
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[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

[Bill Lindsay]

The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive 
Atlantis.  No doubt they will be made in Taiwan.  The pricing hint is "a 
tad more than an Appaloosa".  Is it good that Rivendell is evolving?  I say 
yes.  Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing?  I say sure, a 
little.  I'd bet a dollar that some of their recent cashflow worries came 
from the financials around this change.  Made to order frames are expensive 
but cost you nothing until somebody wants to buy one.  Taiwan builds have 
to be done in expensive pre-paid runs, which require a bunch of cash on 
hand.  

The curved double TT of the biggest size was on instagram I think.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

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[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Joe Bernard]

There's a lot of detail missing here. Neither the car nor the person in the 
driver's seat avoided the pedestrian, which makes me question if the accident 
would have been the same with a person doing all the driving. 

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[RBW] ISO: Silver bar-end right-hand shifter pod

[Joe Bernard]

Franklyn, check Mat Grewe's "cockpit items for sale" post. He has pods. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racer Brakeset, Black, $250

[lukeheller]

Trade for a set of RACER M on black? 

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 4:34:58 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
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> Bump.  Price reduction-- I would be willing to let them go for $200 
> shipped.  
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[RBW] Cockpit Items - For Sale

[Kainalu V.]

Hi Mat, I PM'd you regarding the Albatross bars. Wondering what their width is.
Thanks 
-Kai 
BK NY 

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[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[masmojo]

Like it or not the transportation landscape is due for a drastic overhaul over 
the next 20 years. Bicycles will be part if that, but many people will cease to 
own cars. People will use autonomus electric ride share cars and I think 
electric scooters will take over!!! Bike lanes will basically be non-car lanes 
& we will share them with all sorts of electric contraptions.

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Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[masmojo]

I have two things that would wrest open my wallet. First, another red Rosco 
with vertical rear drop outs instead of the horizontal ones the last one came 
with. Same color or maybe a bit more Crimson!

#2 would be a Gloripillar or Hunqabury; basically a custom low standover 
Hunqapillar. It's on my "to do" list,  but if Rivendell could just do it, I'd 
be on board. 

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[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

[Lum Gim Fong]

Makes me wonder what cycling danger will  be like after these cars take 
over:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/self-driving-uber-car-involved-fatal-accident-arizona-n857941?cid=par-xfinity_20180319

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[RBW] Spring, winds, flowers, dirt, ride

[Patrick Moore]

Nothing special, except to me, but I just got back from a very nice 20 mile
out 'n' back on the Matthews; 17 miles of it dirt, and most of that rather
choppy because I followed the acequia roads from the southern to the
northern end of Corrales, just shy of the dam, and that is horse country.
Stopped after a few miles into Corrales and let out more air -- checked
when I got home and I had about 18 psi in the Big Ones, which weren't
horrible on pavement, but not as linear in the turn-in (if you will forgive
the confused metaphor) as with 28 psi -- again, pavement.

It is *very* nice to have completed last week's quota of resumes, and to
have a day on which to, well, just goof off (tho' finicky client in
Singapore said he'd send me data to incorporate by tomorrow ... but he's
late, so I rode without a qualm in my conscience).

Fatter tires need less pressure, all else equal, to "support" the sidewalls
(and, more supple tires, all else equal, require more pressure than an
equivalent with stiffer sidewalls); but, then, too, fatter tires don't
compress as much as narrower tires on the same rims at the same pressure,
all else equal.

At any rate, for mostly dirt, as this ride, ~18 or so seems good; for
mostly pavement, north of 26 psi; for my most common rides on this bike, at
least 1/3 pavement, about 23.

What do all ya'll think of this thing for:

1. Quick pressure replenishing after riding the tires squishy on dirt;
2. Popping tubeless beads into place?

There are all sorts of reservoirs available that you hand-pump to the
pressure and volume needed to seat tubeless tire beads, but AFAIK, this is
the sole device that is designed to be carried with you as a *gonfleur* in
the old-fashioned cycling meaning of the term.

http://www.sks-germany.com/en/products/rideair/

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Re: [RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! Great build. Per gearing, to echo what Patrick of the Moore said, 
ride till you can’t, walk till you can. Grin. You’ll be amazed how you build up 
to your gearing being normal.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

[masmojo]

Great, I hardly consider a 50cm, small, but it is right on the boundary.  Under 
50cm and popularity drifts off big time. 46 thru 49cm are slow going.

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[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Sent you a DM about the small, black knickers.

David Lipsky
Berkeley

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote:
>
> Greetings, Rivendell friends,
>
> I have a number of MUSA pants & knickers, ...
>
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[RBW] FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

[Coconutbill]

Greetings, Rivendell friends,

I have a number of MUSA pants & knickers, which I have not been wearing for 
a while.
All of which have been used, and are in varying degrees of wear, which is 
why the price is so low! Hopefully the prices are fair, will happily 
include a photo of 
the individual pair or the whole, if interested.


$40 Black S Musa Knickers (in quite good shape) = 
9/10   
$35 Brown/Blue S Musa Pants (zippers on pant legs) = 8/10 - rear pocket 
needs re-stiching
$20  Grey/ Blue  S Musa Pants 5/10
$15  Grey / Blue S Musa Knickers 3/10 (
$15 Green S Musa Pants (kinda rough shape - a hole at the knee from 
crashing, and chain stain on legs)  3/10

$90 takes them all. Prices include shipping. 









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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[Ron Mc]

Valdipino - my daughter and I were caught together in a monsoon one day and 
each had them - they were perfect.  
In lighter rain, I can certainly live without them, and will either wear 
the lightest shell or go wet.  
One thought about vented helmets - the run-off through your helmet and hair 
can temporarily blind you, but a Halo sweat band has a runoff channel that 
keeps your eyes seeing fine and not burning in the heaviest rain.  
I carry the Halo sweatband on every bike.  

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 11:00:27 AM UTC-5, Bob B wrote:
>
> Which Vaude do you guys have? I like my Vaude Valdipino 
>  
> for light rains but mine barely covers the bars (bosco bars) but has no 
> elastic or anything to keep it there, so with the wind blowing around it 
> often flips or slides up. I've tried using clothes pins to clamp it to the 
> brake cables, but that's a pain in the butt and the poncho is then crooked 
> and doesn't shed the rain as well.
>
> My Sackville basket bag does great unless the rain is very heavy, at which 
> times the rain shedding off the vaude dumps directly down onto it, and the 
> water eventually soaks through. In those cases flipping it over the basket 
> would seem good, but I hear Jason about the steering situations. Though I 
> tend to ride cautiously, and even more cautiously during rain... 
>
> Still on the fence about this thing but maybe I'll have to be the guinea 
> pig. Being able to ride every day no matter the weather is pretty important 
> to me so the investment seems worth it... 
>
> Bob B
> Brooklyn, NY
>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[Jon Schultz]

I have VAUDE Valdipino Raincoat, Blue, Large, and I'm 6'4" and 225 lbs.
Mine has elastic loops in the front for wrists, but I typically hook them
over the brake hoods to keep the bar covered.  I've also attached them to
the bars with velcro loops when riding choco bars/mountain levers.

And the rear modification is key to keep it from riding it up in the rear,
though a larger size mitigate the need for this (Modification: attached a
shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat rail).


On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Rob Bolesta  wrote:

> Which Vaude do you guys have? I like my Vaude Valdipino
> 
> for light rains but mine barely covers the bars (bosco bars) but has no
> elastic or anything to keep it there, so with the wind blowing around it
> often flips or slides up. I've tried using clothes pins to clamp it to the
> brake cables, but that's a pain in the butt and the poncho is then crooked
> and doesn't shed the rain as well.
>
> My Sackville basket bag does great unless the rain is very heavy, at which
> times the rain shedding off the vaude dumps directly down onto it, and the
> water eventually soaks through. In those cases flipping it over the basket
> would seem good, but I hear Jason about the steering situations. Though I
> tend to ride cautiously, and even more cautiously during rain...
>
> Still on the fence about this thing but maybe I'll have to be the guinea
> pig. Being able to ride every day no matter the weather is pretty important
> to me so the investment seems worth it...
>
> Bob B
> Brooklyn, NY
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:19 AM Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> I must have the same Vaude poncho as Jon, and while I've only needed it a
>> couple of times caught in monsoon rain, it works great
>>
>>
>> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:54:10 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote:
>>>
>>> My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me.  My basket
>>> bag is waterproof, so don't really need that feature.  I did mod my Vaude
>>> by attaching a shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat
>>> rail, which keeps it from riding up my back.
>>>
>>> At 6'4", I doubt the size large would be big enough to cover me and my
>>> basket, so easy decision for me to pass.  ;)
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> Ellicott City, MD
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

[Patrick Moore]

Pretty! I approve the single speed drivetrain.

As for gearing: you'll quickly get used to climbing in slightly higher
gears, and this won't be a burden if you live in a flat area with only
occasional hills. Headwinds can be more wearing.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:26 AM, lconley  wrote:

> Took my freshly completed Frank Jones Sr for its first ride on Saturday on
> the Coast to Coat bike trail in Titusville. Immediately noticed a few
> things. My feet are too wide for the lovely old Lyotard Berthet pedals, I
> am not in good enough shape for the 45 - 18 gearing (OK on the flat,
> struggled to make it over the bridge over the highway), and I am too wide
> for the B-17, even with dropped bars. I also noticed that the blue paint is
> pearlescent - very beautiful in the sun. I ordered a set of blue Catalyst
> pedals, and I have two B-68 saddles "in stock", so I will be switching the
> saddle out. I was hoping to use the antique brown B-17 special titanium
> (off of my Guv'nor), but it was not to be. I may try another ride before I
> switch out the chain ring (I have a 44 and a 42) once I get the pedals. I
> really love the look of the bike, I give my 1st attempt at harlequin bar
> tape a C - very time consuming and patience testing.
>
>
> 
> Picture at the Mercury Seven exhibit at Space View Park.
>
> Laing
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[Rob Bolesta]

Which Vaude do you guys have? I like my Vaude Valdipino

for light rains but mine barely covers the bars (bosco bars) but has no
elastic or anything to keep it there, so with the wind blowing around it
often flips or slides up. I've tried using clothes pins to clamp it to the
brake cables, but that's a pain in the butt and the poncho is then crooked
and doesn't shed the rain as well.

My Sackville basket bag does great unless the rain is very heavy, at which
times the rain shedding off the vaude dumps directly down onto it, and the
water eventually soaks through. In those cases flipping it over the basket
would seem good, but I hear Jason about the steering situations. Though I
tend to ride cautiously, and even more cautiously during rain...

Still on the fence about this thing but maybe I'll have to be the guinea
pig. Being able to ride every day no matter the weather is pretty important
to me so the investment seems worth it...

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:19 AM Ron Mc  wrote:

> I must have the same Vaude poncho as Jon, and while I've only needed it a
> couple of times caught in monsoon rain, it works great
>
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:54:10 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote:
>>
>> My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me.  My basket bag
>> is waterproof, so don't really need that feature.  I did mod my Vaude by
>> attaching a shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat
>> rail, which keeps it from riding up my back.
>>
>> At 6'4", I doubt the size large would be big enough to cover me and my
>> basket, so easy decision for me to pass.  ;)
>>
>> Jon
>> Ellicott City, MD
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[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Updates.

[RichS]

David, I like your Redwood and all the creativity you brought to it. Do you 
get pedal strike when you run the 650b wheels?

Best regards,
Richard

On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 6:41:03 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> I’ve had my Redwood setup as a weekend road bike - switching between 650b 
> and 700c every year or so. 
> I’ve made the decision to not buy more bikes, sold one and have another to 
> sell, and ride the bikes I have more, which means all should be commuter or 
> errand ready and try and use parts already on hand. 
> I stripped off shifters and front derailleur, left the rear using the 
> cable adjuster and a short piece of cable to switch rear gears off the 
> bike. 
> I polished up some Mafac Raids. Still need to get some new brake pads and 
> tweak setup but so far they stop just fine. 
> Added a dynamo wheel, Nitto rack, front light, and SKS fenders. 
> Fenders need to be tweaked slightly and stays trimmed. 
> Made a saddlebag today, and will make a matching rando bag shortly. 
> Weirdly, this frame seems made for 650bx48mm tires with fenders. Chainstay 
> clearance is a little tight but acceptable right now. 
> Photos here: https://instagram.com/p/BgezQjzDTMS/ 
>
> Warming weather (fingers-crossed) means this’ll get some miles in soon. 
> David 
> River Grove, IL

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Re: [RBW] FS: BMC Monstercross F/F/HS 65cm

[Reid Echols]

Bump. This is a great frame for a tall rider out there!

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[RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

[lconley]

Took my freshly completed Frank Jones Sr for its first ride on Saturday on 
the Coast to Coat bike trail in Titusville. Immediately noticed a few 
things. My feet are too wide for the lovely old Lyotard Berthet pedals, I 
am not in good enough shape for the 45 - 18 gearing (OK on the flat, 
struggled to make it over the bridge over the highway), and I am too wide 
for the B-17, even with dropped bars. I also noticed that the blue paint is 
pearlescent - very beautiful in the sun. I ordered a set of blue Catalyst 
pedals, and I have two B-68 saddles "in stock", so I will be switching the 
saddle out. I was hoping to use the antique brown B-17 special titanium 
(off of my Guv'nor), but it was not to be. I may try another ride before I 
switch out the chain ring (I have a 44 and a 42) once I get the pedals. I 
really love the look of the bike, I give my 1st attempt at harlequin bar 
tape a C - very time consuming and patience testing. 


Picture at the Mercury Seven exhibit at Space View Park.

Laing
Cocoa FL

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[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[Ron Mc]

I must have the same Vaude poncho as Jon, and while I've only needed it a 
couple of times caught in monsoon rain, it works great

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:54:10 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote:
>
> My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me.  My basket bag 
> is waterproof, so don't really need that feature.  I did mod my Vaude by 
> attaching a shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat 
> rail, which keeps it from riding up my back.
>
> At 6'4", I doubt the size large would be big enough to cover me and my 
> basket, so easy decision for me to pass.  ;)
>
> Jon
> Ellicott City, MD
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[jandrews_nyc]

That actually looks sort of terrifying.  I can imagine having control 
issues with a loaded basket getting pulled by the poncho material in 
emergency steering situations in the city.  Even with plenty of material, 
it seems suspect.

Jason



On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 6:30:12 PM UTC-4, William! wrote:
>
> A hundred and forty dollars for a poncho that seems a little –
>
> wait, did you say OVER the basket? **gets credit card**
>
> w
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Bob B wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried the Fairweather rain poncho? It looks pretty good; I'm 
>> particularly interested in the elastic band that will fit snugly over 
>> Alba's AND a Wald basket!
>>
>>
>> Which would be awesome, because my Vaude poncho barely covers my bars and 
>> often blows up out of place (it has no elastic). 
>>
>>
>> Anyway, been doing more rain riding lately and was considering springing 
>> for this, and an endorsement from someone on the list would probably cause 
>> me to buy it.
>>
>>
>> Link: 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-navy.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

[Jim Bronson]

Off Topic random Tandem questions:

Tony, it had 135 hubs in the back?

My 94' Burley Duet has 140, and I stuffed a 145 in there when I had a new
wheel built for modern Shimano drivetrain, could use the Shimano rear
tandem hub that way.

I would like an HHH also, but I would have to thin the herd quite a bit to
afford it.

What kind of shipping did you use?  It was extremely expensive to ship the
Burley when I bought it a few years back.  Over $200.

-Jim

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 7:49 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> SOLD - definitely bittersweet packing up the Burley as it really is a fine
> looking bike but I'm excited to be taking delivery of our new HHH and
> getting that one built up shortly!
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[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

[Jon BALER]

My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me.  My basket bag 
is waterproof, so don't really need that feature.  I did mod my Vaude by 
attaching a shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat 
rail, which keeps it from riding up my back.

At 6'4", I doubt the size large would be big enough to cover me and my 
basket, so easy decision for me to pass.  ;)

Jon
Ellicott City, MD

On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 6:30:12 PM UTC-4, William! wrote:
>
> A hundred and forty dollars for a poncho that seems a little –
>
> wait, did you say OVER the basket? **gets credit card**
>
> w
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2017 at 12:43:22 PM UTC-7, Bob B wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone tried the Fairweather rain poncho? It looks pretty good; I'm 
>> particularly interested in the elastic band that will fit snugly over 
>> Alba's AND a Wald basket!
>>
>>
>> Which would be awesome, because my Vaude poncho barely covers my bars and 
>> often blows up out of place (it has no elastic). 
>>
>>
>> Anyway, been doing more rain riding lately and was considering springing 
>> for this, and an endorsement from someone on the list would probably cause 
>> me to buy it.
>>
>>
>> Link: 
>> https://global.bluelug.com/fairweather-packable-rain-poncho-navy.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

[Tony DeFilippo]

SOLD - definitely bittersweet packing up the Burley as it really is a fine 
looking bike but I'm excited to be taking delivery of our new HHH and 
getting that one built up shortly!

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Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

[Tony DeFilippo]

SOLD - It was definitely bittersweet packing up the Burley, it's a great 
looking bike but I'm excited for the HHH build up.

On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5, Jeff wrote:
>
> I'm a little bit interested in, but been lazy in putting my Rosco v.2 out 
> on the market which would satisfy one-in-one-out... I'll get working on 
> posting it this weekend, amongst some other bike workbench detritus and 
> we'll see what fate has in store for the future.
>
> I think it was you who advised me, some years back on a Pondero ride, when 
> I was grasping for the statement that is often made regarding tandems, that 
> "wherever your relationship is going, it'll get there faster on a tandem." 
> I've had good luck putting my kids on the back of my Bike Friday family 
> tandem not so sure if I should push my luck on getting the wife 
> involved, but that Burley looks like a good mojo machine. 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Tony DeFilippo  > wrote:
>
>> I'm leaning toward snaping up one of the remaining HHH's and have this 
>> sweet ~1990's Burley I built up for C riding if love to get rid of.  Some 
>> great parts and an solid oversized/ovalized MUSA steel frame.
>>
>> Burley Bossa Nova frame, true temper tubes, I've never been able to date 
>> it
>>
>> Sizing:
>> Captain SO - 32"
>> Captain TT - 22"
>> Stoker SO - 29 3/4"
>> Stoker TT - 26 1/2"
>> Stoker reach to Max hbar extension - 16"
>>
>> Mustache hbars, rear is flipped, Nitto stems
>> 3x8spd friction with SunTour bar end shifters (the stubby ones)
>> Dia camp brakes (original)
>> Phil wood hubs, rear 135mm cassette
>> 700c wheels, originally spec'd for 27 1/4"
>> Compass Barlow pass 35mm standard casing tires
>>
>> $750 local, not including the Brooks Flyer saddles, but including a set 
>> of new, not mounted berthoud fenders.
>>
>> If be happy to talk about the frame without some components, I've often 
>> thought the frame would be a great disc conversion and allow for 650b x48mm 
>> tires.  I don't think shipping is a good option on this bike but I'd 
>> deliver the bike to a LBS for professional packing and shipping if the 
>> butter wanted to pay for that.
>>
>> Pictures:
>> http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/06/barlow-pass-burley.html?m=1
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