[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
I though the Rivendell offer was generous in spirit and in practice. What they were offering was clear. Seems odd to pick it apart... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Quoting rob markwardt robmar...@hotmail.com: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). Here's what they said: quote 1. You or your spouse has lost a job because of the economy, so you've lost a huge chunk of income because of the economy. 2. You are retired AND living off your stocks, which have crashed, and you've lost enough of your retirement income that without the discount, you couldn't afford anything. /quote Dramatically narrowed scope than originally proposed, and as I said, clearly enough to disqualify me (and any other retired government employee, or retiree with a part-time job). I'd have been a lot happier if the discount were smaller, so they weren't actually making zero profit, but were more widely available. It felt a lot like put-and-take. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. Emminently more sensible than my advice. And to Atlantean's point, I looked around on line and could not stir up a 1 threadless. Riv could definitely accommodate if the timing of the request is right. I am sure it will cost more money though. ...and lemme tell you, I think GP is onto something here. Had a quick ride on Sam and Betty today and was pretty impressed. I'll start a separate thread later this pm. I hope this is a successful endeavor for Riv. On Dec 22, 9:19 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off asking if there is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from Ben's Cycles or such outlet. Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. ...and lemme tell you, I think GP is onto something here. Had a quick ride on Sam and Betty today and was pretty impressed. I'll start a separate thread later this pm. I think it's unlikely to find an aftermarket steel fork that will have the appropriate dimensions _and_ be 1 threadless. And it would be missing the braze-ons. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes The Gallery needs your photos! Send 'em in - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines She edged in to get a better look at the bike, how it was made, the intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis
shipping yr ride to an lbs is always an option ive had many folks over the yrs ask to ship to the shop no charge for them to have it arrive and pick up ive never had another lbs charge me anything for doing same of course i dont ask em to assemble nor do i ask to use their tools take enuf to assemble meself just a thought peace --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:20 AM, rob markwardt wrote: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). It didn't seem unclear to me. While my wife was recently laid off due to the economy, we're not (yet) suffering from this at all economically. Certainly I have a bit of worry and insecurity about this because the part-time gig she has at REI pays about 25% of what she used to make. Fortunately there are some people interested in hiring her within her field and she is thinking over those options. So I didn't think we qualified for the discount. Maybe a month or two from now we will (as my wife is still getting vacation pay and will into mid-January) if she hasn't sucured a job with reasonable pay. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless setup. But then lots of things would be cool. On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off asking if there is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from Ben's Cycles or such outlet. Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post. I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to try to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built. If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being put together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQL. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Quoting JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com: Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. Emminently more sensible than my advice. Even more sensible, IMO, would be to decide to get along with the fork that came with the bike, or if a threaded fork is a show-stopper, to get a different frame, one with a threadless fork. There are plenty enough of them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless setup. But then lots of things would be cool. On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off asking if there is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from Ben's Cycles or such outlet. Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post. I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to try to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built. If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being put together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQL. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars, grinning indulgently, eyeing Tom's helmet. Double disbeleif: not one, but two grown Americans riding bicycles. -- Neal Stephenson, Zodiac- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Even more sensible, IMO, would be to decide to get along with the fork that came with the bike, or if a threaded fork is a show-stopper, to get a different frame, one with a threadless fork. There are plenty enough of them. I am on your side on this. As long as Nitto is making its wonderful stems (and heck, the new Rene Herse folks make a real beaut of a threaded stem if you want to pay out the big bucks) I see no reason not to go threaded. But if this is the only way to get this guy on a Riv ... On Dec 23, 9:11 am, palin...@his.com wrote: Quoting JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com: Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. Emminently more sensible than my advice. Even more sensible, IMO, would be to decide to get along with the fork that came with the bike, or if a threaded fork is a show-stopper, to get a different frame, one with a threadless fork. There are plenty enough of them. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
I understand why a lot of cyclists want to hang on to forged aluminum stems for aesthetic reasons. But like lugs, pneumatic tires, cotterless cranks, aluminum rims and dozens of other things, they were introduced as a technical improvement. Forged aluminum stems are much lighter than forged steel stems, and they don't rust. We like forged aluminum stems for the same reason we like lugs. They look great. Like cassette hubs, index shifting, dual pivot brakes, single rail saddles, and on and on, threadless forks have a certain inevitability about them because they are technical improvements. Yes, it's easier to raise and lower your bars within a narrow range with a quill stem, but that's the only advantage I can see other than the aesthetic one. For someone like me, the higher I go with a quill stem, the floppier it gets, so raising the bar by exposing more quill is not exactly an advantage to me. Having the option of a threadless fork on a Riv is not a crazy idea. It's even a reality, in said Legolas. I would bet there's more than one Legolas out there all tricked out for touring, like all those Cross Checks. I doubt the geometry of a Legolas fork is much different than other Riv forks meant for the same wheel size. Maybe they are, but it's probably moot anyway since I don't think Grant has any desire to be in the business of selling forks without frames. I respect his reasoning there, too. On Dec 23, 9:02 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? But won't the angles be different? On Dec 23, 9:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless setup. But then lots of things would be cool. On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Sorry to hear that Tim. I know you have all that old McNamara money behind you, but let me know if you guys need any help with anything. Personally, I found the discount to be a clever bit of marketing. Discounts, even steep ones, aren't uncommon in the bike business this time of year, and anybody who sells anything is discounting in this economy. Discounts are an essential part of managing inventory and cash flow. While we've had a wonderful year, we're happy to sell anything that's in stock right now. Even a low/no-profit sale can be great in terms of mid-winter cash flow. What's genius, even if it wasn't intentionally so, is how Riv framed their sale in a way that makes the company look generous rather than desperate. Not that they aren't generous, or that they are desperate, of course, but many retailers offering deep discounts right now do seem desperate. On Dec 23, 8:25 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:20 AM, rob markwardt wrote: The whole discount thing was a little unclear. I read it several times and still kind of thought it was a discount for all members who had been affected by the poor economy. Too many ifs, ands, and ors... (apostrophe or not?). It didn't seem unclear to me. While my wife was recently laid off due to the economy, we're not (yet) suffering from this at all economically. Certainly I have a bit of worry and insecurity about this because the part-time gig she has at REI pays about 25% of what she used to make. Fortunately there are some people interested in hiring her within her field and she is thinking over those options. So I didn't think we qualified for the discount. Maybe a month or two from now we will (as my wife is still getting vacation pay and will into mid-January) if she hasn't sucured a job with reasonable pay. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Like cassette hubs, index shifting, dual pivot brakes, single rail saddles, and on and on, threadless forks have a certain inevitability about them because they are technical improvements. Yes, it's easier to raise and lower your bars within a narrow range with a quill stem, but that's the only advantage I can see other than the aesthetic one. In my opinion, threadless forks and index shifting are more technical changes than improvements. I have bikes with both and do not really see how the new technology is better than the old. I would not understate the aesthetic advantages. The stem is the part of the bike the rider sees the most while riding. Commercially, even the sculptural Thomson stems are not as pleasing (to me anyway) as the Nitto. I have a nice Jonnycycle custom threadless that is very attractive. Pricey little bugger. On Dec 23, 10:20 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: I understand why a lot of cyclists want to hang on to forged aluminum stems for aesthetic reasons. But like lugs, pneumatic tires, cotterless cranks, aluminum rims and dozens of other things, they were introduced as a technical improvement. Forged aluminum stems are much lighter than forged steel stems, and they don't rust. We like forged aluminum stems for the same reason we like lugs. They look great. Like cassette hubs, index shifting, dual pivot brakes, single rail saddles, and on and on, threadless forks have a certain inevitability about them because they are technical improvements. Yes, it's easier to raise and lower your bars within a narrow range with a quill stem, but that's the only advantage I can see other than the aesthetic one. For someone like me, the higher I go with a quill stem, the floppier it gets, so raising the bar by exposing more quill is not exactly an advantage to me. Having the option of a threadless fork on a Riv is not a crazy idea. It's even a reality, in said Legolas. I would bet there's more than one Legolas out there all tricked out for touring, like all those Cross Checks. I doubt the geometry of a Legolas fork is much different than other Riv forks meant for the same wheel size. Maybe they are, but it's probably moot anyway since I don't think Grant has any desire to be in the business of selling forks without frames. I respect his reasoning there, too. On Dec 23, 9:02 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? But won't the angles be different? On Dec 23, 9:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
I can see valid points on both sides of this issue and I have bikes with threadless as well as threaded steering tubes/stems. But one thing found out the hard way about threadless that has made me a wee bit leery - if you buy a cheapo threadless stem, and the bottom edge of it (the part where it sits on top of the top-most spacer of the headset) is not perfectly made, it'll throw your headset bearings and steering out of kilter as badly as if the fork crown race is unevenly installed. I had one like that and it took me a while to figure out what was wrong. I finally dialed in on the error and was fortunate enough to have a machinist friend with a lathe who made a piece of 1 1/8 stock and took several 100th's of material off the bottom edge of the stem to correct it. Since then it's been OK. Now, this is not to imply that a similar thing couldn't happen to a threaded set up, but they're usually things you have to look for ahead of time anyway - are the top and bottom edges of head tube straight and parallel, is the crown race evenly seated, is the crown surface onto which it gets seated even and perpendicular to the steering tube, etc. But beyond that, I would agree that the threadless set up is more convenient from a tourist's stand point inasmuch as the only tool really needed to remove the stem (or the bars from the stem, for that matter) is a hex key wrench. On Dec 23, 11:40 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Like cassette hubs, index shifting, dual pivot brakes, single rail saddles, and on and on, threadless forks have a certain inevitability about them because they are technical improvements. Yes, it's easier to raise and lower your bars within a narrow range with a quill stem, but that's the only advantage I can see other than the aesthetic one. In my opinion, threadless forks and index shifting are more technical changes than improvements. I have bikes with both and do not really see how the new technology is better than the old. I would not understate the aesthetic advantages. The stem is the part of the bike the rider sees the most while riding. Commercially, even the sculptural Thomson stems are not as pleasing (to me anyway) as the Nitto. I have a nice Jonnycycle custom threadless that is very attractive. Pricey little bugger. On Dec 23, 10:20 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: I understand why a lot of cyclists want to hang on to forged aluminum stems for aesthetic reasons. But like lugs, pneumatic tires, cotterless cranks, aluminum rims and dozens of other things, they were introduced as a technical improvement. Forged aluminum stems are much lighter than forged steel stems, and they don't rust. We like forged aluminum stems for the same reason we like lugs. They look great. Like cassette hubs, index shifting, dual pivot brakes, single rail saddles, and on and on, threadless forks have a certain inevitability about them because they are technical improvements. Yes, it's easier to raise and lower your bars within a narrow range with a quill stem, but that's the only advantage I can see other than the aesthetic one. For someone like me, the higher I go with a quill stem, the floppier it gets, so raising the bar by exposing more quill is not exactly an advantage to me. Having the option of a threadless fork on a Riv is not a crazy idea. It's even a reality, in said Legolas. I would bet there's more than one Legolas out there all tricked out for touring, like all those Cross Checks. I doubt the geometry of a Legolas fork is much different than other Riv forks meant for the same wheel size. Maybe they are, but it's probably moot anyway since I don't think Grant has any desire to be in the business of selling forks without frames. I respect his reasoning there, too. On Dec 23, 9:02 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? But won't the angles be different? On Dec 23, 9:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork.
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
I was both impressed with Rivendell and touched by the offer. Literally. I lost my job in May of last year - due to both company restructuring and the economy. It had been slow at my employer for the last year or two. Unfortunately when the discount came down I couldn't afford to spend the money on bike parts. Had the timing been different for me, I had a list of stuff that I would have purchased. So my thanks go to RBW for thinking of those of us in a troubled financial position. And Best Wishes to all this holiday season. Phil B --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Like Jim, I'd take that bet as well. :-) I'm always on the active lookout for Legolas in the wild, and to date have only seen them as CX race bikes or road-ish/brevet bikes. So how much were you considering waging? Perhaps a slice of pumpkin pie, washed down with a pint? Gino On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:52 AM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: I'd probably take that bet... ;^) I don't think there are a lot of Legolases (Legolai?) out there to begin with, but the Warning has always been that these are racing-type bikes, with lighter than Riv-normal frame tubing thicknesses. Specifically, Please don¹t get one with the intention of using it as a lightweight version of an Atlantis it¹s not designed for loaded touring. I've seen one set up as a long distancey brevet type rig: Veronica's over at TandemHearts - http://tinyurl.com/89ar82 But, never one with bags lashed to racks... - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTT or FS Lil Loafer and Rack
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Quoting George Schick bhim...@gmail.com: Now, this is not to imply that a similar thing couldn't happen to a threaded set up, but they're usually things you have to look for ahead of time anyway - are the top and bottom edges of head tube straight and parallel, is the crown race evenly seated, is the crown surface onto which it gets seated even and perpendicular to the steering tube, etc. But beyond that, I would agree that the threadless set up is more convenient from a tourist's stand point inasmuch as the only tool really needed to remove the stem (or the bars from the stem, for that matter) is a hex key wrench. The only tool you need to remove a threaded stem is a hex wrench. Not true, of course for removing the bars from the stem. But, unless you're packing the bike for air travel, how often do you do that? And that advantage is primarily for the open faceplate design, which only coincidentally is a threadless advantage. You could just as easily make an open faceplate threaded stem as a threadless. (Not that it matters that much to me: between punitive surcharges for transporting bicycles and the ever-increasing hassles associated with air travel imposed in the name of security, I highly doubt I'll ever want to fly again.) And, for that matter, unless (like my companion on the Black Hills trip) you insist on screwing around with the headset adjustment and forget to get it taken care of before you set out on your trip, just how often does any road rider need to adjust headsets on the road? Maybe mountain bikers are more likely to need to do headset adjustments in the field. They do a lot of things while riding that a road rider would never do, and experience impacts and shocks you'd never get on the road. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize that this is a purely personal reaction) when I couldn't easily fine tune the bar height. As for aesthetics, I've seen a few nice looking threadless stems, and the ugly problem is less the kind than the current fashion, but one huge deal breaker for me would be to have a noticeable amount of steerer poking up above the top of the stem. Uglier than a Technomic at full height, IMO. If I were to have a new custom, I'd probably get threadless, but only after first finding and purchasing an acceptable-looking clamp on stem; and only because, after all these years, I know how high I like my bars; AND while accepting the fact that, should I ever want to raise the bars significantly, this would mean either a new fork with longer steerer, or possibly a custom upjutter stem. No pokey steerer in *my*face! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
On Dec 23, 11:25 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize that this is a purely personal reaction) when I couldn't easily fine tune the bar height. All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system: http://www.nvocomponents.com/ -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] WTT: 650b 36h Synergy or 32h Blunt for 32h Synergy
I have a new, 36-hole Velocity Synergy, non O/C, and I have a new, 32-hole Velocity Blunt, non O/C, but I need a new, 32-hole Velocity Synergy, non O/C. All 650b (or 584mm) sized. I'd like to trade either rim, straight up. I also have a new, 36-hole Mavic A719, 700c rim that I'd be happy to trade. offlist, of course. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:http://www.nvocomponents.com/ But then you either have ugly steerer tube protuding atop the stem or are stuck with a fairly ugly, (IMO), product from one manufacturer. For what, exactly? I mentioned above the argument threadless is stronger. A plus perhaps for MTB riders. A properly installed and maintained quill lasts is plenty strong for road riding and will last as long threadless. From my perspective, threaded to threadless is one of those things where technology has quite obviously changed but with no real gain for the use. On Dec 23, 1:00 pm, jim g yoj...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 23, 11:25 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I've used, and adjusted, exactly one threadless stem in all my years of riding, and (1) I was hugely impressed with how easy it is to adjust; not only easy, but simple! But (2) I was also very disconcerted (and I realize that this is a purely personal reaction) when I couldn't easily fine tune the bar height. All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system:http://www.nvocomponents.com/ -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race couldn't be slid into place over the threads, but I think that's unlikely. The stem will then clamp quite happily over the threads. In order to keep the geometry as designed, I think it would be best to use the frame's original fork - but to get one that was not yet cut to length for a threaded setup. Do they arrive at RBW HQ already cut? -Wesley On Dec 23, 6:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless setup. But then lots of things would be cool. On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off asking if there is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from Ben's Cycles or such outlet. Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post. I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make sense to try to see if you could order it now, while the frames are being built. If there's a possibility, it's best pursued now while orders are being put together and finalized. I'd give 'em a call over at RBWHQL. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines 'You both ride your bike?' He held his hands out and grabbed imaginary handlebars,
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
On Dec 23, 11:53 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote: It seems to me that if you want a bike with a threadless headset that you might want to go with something other than a Rivendell. Unless you get a Legolas. There are tons of custom frame builders willing to make lugged frames with threadless headsets. And these with custom stems look really nice. Just to state it explicitly (since a similar thread just recently cropped up on iBob), the frame (assuming it's not an inbred..er..integral hs design type) can use either threaded or threadless (sizing determined by the frame headtube), and it's the fork which really determines the type of headset. And, on the fork, it's really just the steerer tube. Depending upon the fork design, it may be possible to install an unthreaded steerer tube. ...and some unrelated blather while I'm on hold at work... Most of the flex I've encountered has seemed to come from the bars, though I'm not walking around with the largest set of biceps in the county. But, I've grunkled pretty hard on the QB setup while climbing, and run out of oomph long before I felt like flex was my issue. That has the Nitto stem with a Noodle bar. One of the reasons I'm hoping to eventually end up with a Legolas is that I'll get to once again look down in a suffering, anaerobic haze and see a stem that looks this gorgeous - http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/images/cx001r2-5.jpg There are some gorgeous threadless stems out there. - Jim --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into the differences as improvements, when, in fact, the differences are only differences. Most threadless stems are just ugly. I suppose some are a tad lighter, but this was never the reason for the new design. And what's all this about threadless being somehow stronger? Any of you snapped off a steerer at the stem lately? I'm certainly not saying there isn't a place for threadless systems, but to declare them as any sort of a wholesale improvement is fantasy. - Original Message - From: Chris Halasz To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! Tried a bike this past year with a threadless stem; it was the largest sized, and I could *not* find a production stem that brought the bars within a cm of saddle height (cm to zero difference) that wasn't stretched too far, or just incredibly ugly. Even then, I couldn't get it to work. Maybe if the steerer hadn't been pre-cut. I am so much happier back with a Riv and Nitto stem. From Dave Moulton's Blog: Richard Sachs said it best when he stated, “The threadless steerer was an answer to a problem that didn’t exist.” The old style quill stem (Left.) worked fine, it was elegant and easy to adjust up and down. Now it is obsolete, not because it didn’t work, but because forks with threadless steering columns are easier to mass produce. Chris Tucson, AZ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
I believe that it's not recommended to clamp threadless stems on threaded steerers. Stress risers, catastrophic failure, that sort of thing. Really, the 1 threaded setup is nearly as ubiquitous to Rivendell as lugs--there are plenty plenty of bikes out there to choose from if the quill stem's a deal breaker for you. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Invisible Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:14 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race couldn't be slid into place over the threads, but I think that's unlikely. The stem will then clamp quite happily over the threads. In order to keep the geometry as designed, I think it would be best to use the frame's original fork - but to get one that was not yet cut to length for a threaded setup. Do they arrive at RBW HQ already cut? -Wesley On Dec 23, 6:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the custom color option. Nickel plated fillet brazed or lugged stems would look really good on a Riv with a threadless setup. But then lots of things would be cool. On Dec 22, 9:39 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 7:19 PM, CycloFiend at cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 12/22/08 6:49 PM, JoelMatthews at joelmatth...@mac.com replied to: lBut I don't want to start an argument over this, I just want to know whether I can get an Rivendell sells uncut forks for use with a 1 threadless headset - and if so, how long is the steerer. with: Grant could probably have Noblilette make you a threadless fork custom. It would cost you no doubt - kind of defeating the purpose of getting a Hillborne. You would probably be better off asking if there is a Hillborne frame without a fork (I suppose one might break during the voyage from Taiwan) and just buy a steel threadless fork from Ben's Cycles or such outlet. Actually, it may be simpler to order an appropriate threadless fork at the same time. The steerer tube is just set into the fork crown, and it could be just a matter of getting an unthreaded tube put in. That way, you have the dimension of fork blades that the bicycle was designed for. sorry - wasn't quite clear in this post. I meant that if you knew that's what you wanted, it would make
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
On Dec 23, 12:15 pm, David Faller dfal...@charter.net wrote: Exactly! Talk about drinking the Kool Aid; the consumers all bought into the differences as improvements, when, in fact, the differences are only differences. Most threadless stems are just ugly. I suppose some are a tad lighter, but this was never the reason for the new design. And what's all this about threadless being somehow stronger? Any of you snapped off a steerer at the stem lately? This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/ And, FWIW, threadless stems (read: non-quill stems that clamp onto the fork steerer) go back to the classic French constructeur bikes of the 40s/50s -- it's not a new concept. E.G. this 1947 Alex Singer: http://reneherse.com/images/DSC_00463.JPG http://reneherse.com/images/DSC_00166.JPG -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Please keep in mind that no one here has said they thought Riv should abandon threaded forks; only that for those of us who could derive a benefit from it (real or imagined), it would be great to have the option of a threadless setup. Either as an option on a new Riv, or from some aftermarket manufacturer somewhere. Such an option does not seem to exist anywhere this side of a custom fork. I can't see any advantage for me in going to a 650b wheel bike, for any reason, but you know what? I think 650b is great and I'm glad Grant pushed for it. If someone else finds something magical in that size that I can't see, I am happy for them. Even better if it actually does work better for normal size people. I don't know and don't really care because it is irrelevant to me. If I go to a bigger wheeled mountain bike, it will likely be a 29er dually, which work just fine, at least in my size. Of course there are as many opinions here as there are contributors as to what is an improvement and what is simply something different. If you like things just like they were in '81 or so, I am delighted that you can find all the stuff to keep your bikes the way you want them. I have a couple dozen good freewheels and I sell one or two on eBay from time to time, so it works for me, too. :) On Dec 23, 1:21 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I believe that it's not recommended to clamp threadless stems on threaded steerers. Stress risers, catastrophic failure, that sort of thing. Really, the 1 threaded setup is nearly as ubiquitous to Rivendell as lugs--there are plenty plenty of bikes out there to choose from if the quill stem's a deal breaker for you. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Invisible Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:14 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race couldn't be slid into place over the threads, but I think that's unlikely. The stem will then clamp quite happily over the threads. In order to keep the geometry as designed, I think it would be best to use the frame's original fork - but to get one that was not yet cut to length for a threaded setup. Do they arrive at RBW HQ already cut? -Wesley On Dec 23, 6:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it. Maybe I'll just get a chomoly stem that's the right size and angle and clamp diameter. That's probably harder to find than a threadless steel road fork. Hmmm. I wonder if Grant would sell a Legolas fork separately? Or are they oversized as well as threadless? Is this question any less sensible than the whole 650b industry? Or anything else we obsess about around here? I don't think so. Surely it's more productive than yet another discussion of trail. On Dec 23, 7:39 am, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: Perhaps a bit off the wall, but couldn't you buy a threaded fork with a too long steerer and cut the threaded bit off? -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Atlantean Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:02 AM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! From what I have seen, one-inch threadless forks of any description are pretty scarce. I have one bike in particular that I'd like to switch to threadless, but I haven't run across anything suitable. New uncut one inch threadless steel forks tend to be generic and the tubing is usually not specified. I looked into having the steer tube replaced, and like a lot of things it is fairly easy to have done but not cheap. It's not that big a deal on this particular bike, a Merckx I've converted to fixed, but I would like a stiffer front end. Out of the saddle mashing up a hill makes the M bar pretty floppy, even on an 80mm Dirt Drop all the way down in the fork. The Dirt Drops are great stems; the stiffest aluminum quill stems I've found. I think it would be cool to have the option of threadless on a new Riv, kind of like the
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com: This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/ No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Dunno, but I'll bet it cost more than a Technomic Deluxe! B-) -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of palin...@his.com Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:49 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com: This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/ No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
Can't access his site right now (some miserable weather in Wisconsin, maybe it knocked down a power line) but it looks like something from Jonnycycles. I have a custom Jonnycycle threadless stem on my threadless fork bike. (I went with brushed nickel rather than the bright chrome). It is beautiful. It also cost more than a lot of people are willing to pay for bikes. On the other hand, you can a beautiful, durable and very functional Nitto for under 100 bucks. If you want to be fancy, the NOS Bike Shop on eBay has hundreds of lovely Italian and Japanese threaded stems most well under 100 bucks. Thomson an earlier noted exception, most off the shelf threadless stems in the Nitto price range are not particularly attractive. On Dec 23, 2:49 pm, palin...@his.com wrote: Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com: This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529... No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
I just don't see this as some kind of competition. Threadless stems came about for several good reasons, and that should not be a threat to anyone. Both systems have their advantages. Not being able to find a steel road fork with a 1 threadless steer tube is a bit like not being able to find a cassette hub to fit a road bike. Makes no sense to me. Your mileage may vary. That's great. What a boring planet it would be and all that. On Dec 23, 2:16 pm, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Of course there are as many opinions here as there are contributors as to what is an improvement and what is simply something different. If you like things just like they were in '81 or so, I am delighted that you can find all the stuff to keep your bikes the way you want them. I do not know if that is all that fair a comment with stems. I am certain the modern Nitto stems are made to higher tolerances, lighter, and more durable than anything made in '81. Cassettes are easier to install, maintain, adjust cogs and more durable than freewheels. It would be very hard to say the same with threadless versus threaded stems. Cutting a steerer tube is a more work than installing a threaded head set. Maintenance on both is about the same. Adjustments are a tie. Even if you leave some extra room on the the steerer tube, playing puzzle maker with the spacers is a royal pain in the neck. The open face plate on threadless is nice if you switch bars a lot. I do not think threadless are more durable than threaded. If a tie is the best 27 going on 28 years of technical improvement can do, heaven help us. On Dec 23, 2:48 pm, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Please keep in mind that no one here has said they thought Riv should abandon threaded forks; only that for those of us who could derive a benefit from it (real or imagined), it would be great to have the option of a threadless setup. Either as an option on a new Riv, or from some aftermarket manufacturer somewhere. Such an option does not seem to exist anywhere this side of a custom fork. I can't see any advantage for me in going to a 650b wheel bike, for any reason, but you know what? I think 650b is great and I'm glad Grant pushed for it. If someone else finds something magical in that size that I can't see, I am happy for them. Even better if it actually does work better for normal size people. I don't know and don't really care because it is irrelevant to me. If I go to a bigger wheeled mountain bike, it will likely be a 29er dually, which work just fine, at least in my size. Of course there are as many opinions here as there are contributors as to what is an improvement and what is simply something different. If you like things just like they were in '81 or so, I am delighted that you can find all the stuff to keep your bikes the way you want them. I have a couple dozen good freewheels and I sell one or two on eBay from time to time, so it works for me, too. :) On Dec 23, 1:21 pm, Frederick, Steve frede...@mail.lib.msu.edu wrote: I believe that it's not recommended to clamp threadless stems on threaded steerers. Stress risers, catastrophic failure, that sort of thing. Really, the 1 threaded setup is nearly as ubiquitous to Rivendell as lugs--there are plenty plenty of bikes out there to choose from if the quill stem's a deal breaker for you. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Invisible Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:14 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site! Unless I'm missing something, there's no need to cut the threaded portion off. One possible hiccup would be if the uppermost race couldn't be slid into place over the threads, but I think that's unlikely. The stem will then clamp quite happily over the threads. In order to keep the geometry as designed, I think it would be best to use the frame's original fork - but to get one that was not yet cut to length for a threaded setup. Do they arrive at RBW HQ already cut? -Wesley On Dec 23, 6:30 am, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: Cutting the threaded part off works just fine, if the steerer is long enough. In the case of my fixie, I did find a few threadless forks on eBay and such some time back, but I was having trouble even finding a new threadless steerer that's long enough for a 25 frame. Typical 9/8 threadless mountain bike forks come with 265mm steer tubes, but 275 would work a lot better for me. Maybe when the hipsters all move on to unicycles, I'll ride my fixie more, and it will seem worthwhile to pay for the modification. The fork on the Merckx is a wild looking thing with aero styled blades brazed into a custom crown, so I'd like to keep it.
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
No!!! I don't want steerer sticking up above my stem!!! Abominable! Won't do it!!! On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 12:00 PM, jim g yoj...@gmail.com wrote: All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system: http://www.nvocomponents.com/ -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529941/ Gawd, that's even *pretty! IIRC, my brother had an old tandem frameset from the 1930s with a clamp on stem rather like the pinch bolt system used on tricycles when I was a child. Not elegant, but obviously not new, either. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: How's your quill stem look when you pull it out every year for greasing? [snippo] And if you don't pull it out every year? Good luck getting it out (if you rode it at all that year). Huh? ***HUH* I've pulled quills out of steerers where they had slumbered for, LO!, these many, many years, and never, **EVER**, had a stuck one. Pull it out *every year for greasing*? Blpfpht ppffft pop! crackle! Fwooom! That doesn't compute. Patrick don't regrease hubs, bb, headsets yearly either Moore, who has had no problems with his lack of care, and yes, he does ride his bikes. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Stem the stem debate Was Hillborne is up at RBW or somesuch
Pull it out *every year for greasing*? Blpfpht ppffft pop! crackle! Fwooom! That doesn't compute. Thanks to Bill The Cat for weighing in on the topic.. I have to agree though, service bike parts as needed. Like most things, YMMV. Regarding the now furious debate about stem styles, I have to come down on the quill (Gryffindor) side of the debate. The chapter of GP's cycling saga which first and most captured me was the idea that my handlebars should be as high or slightly higher than my saddle. Quills seem a better and more available M.O. to get this to happen. And prettier too. I'm especially fond of how a Nitto Dynamic looks. Sure you can Slitherin with a threadless, and yes they are easier to R R the handlebars. Even Snape had his good days Off to chase that Golden Snitch.. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!
We've got to find a good long hill where we can watch. I went with some people from LA last year to the top of a grade somewhere out maybe in Ventura County. It was a circus a lot of fun. The actual race group goes by so quickly, even on a steep grade, it's pretty amazing. But it's one of those getting there is half the fun gigs. The course is probably posted we can figure it out. Coming up soon. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:06 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today! It starts in Ranch Bernardo (Poway area) and finishes in downtoen Escondido...sounds good to me Chris On Dec 22, 12:44 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Keep us posted if this idea gains traction. My brother lives in O'side and I've ridden there with him a few times. Some very nice rides in the area. To the north there's the Pendleton ride through the Marine base and up the coast to Trestles and San Onofre. Southward there's Swami's and La Jolla. Best burritos are in Carlsbad. I haven't traveled with my Ram before, but there's always a first time. If we wanted to get ambitious (in terms of organization) it's worth thinking about the Tour de (duh?) California's schedule. I believe the ninth and final stage will start in the Escondido area. Brian On Dec 21, 11:20 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, great idea! L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside, S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up. Everyone rolls south and then can Metrolink home! Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an option...) DE On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested. So far, I've only run into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis, he lives about 5 miles away. One of the things my touring buds I do is take Metrolink down to Oceanside either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the Sprinter out to Escondido ridden from there. Downtown for an overnight or loops back to Oceanside. Basically north county for you guys. Might be fun to explore further south. Keep me in the loop. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today! Esteban, That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I think... Chris On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats on the mileage. We need to get a little San Diego ride together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries. I'm back in town from SF after the new year. There's quite a few of us, I think. On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote: Thanks Patrick! BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it was just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv site. Actually, the similarities are intentional. The Bleriot was intended to be a less expensive version of the Saluki. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
On Dec 23, 12:49 pm, palin...@his.com wrote: Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com: This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529... No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway? Custom Toei. Not mine, unfortunately. -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bronx cheer for the postal service
Considering the recent weather all over the country, I'd be inclined to cut 'em some slack. Hey, you've got great reading for the next snowstorm! dougP On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Horace max...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: Neither snow nor rain nor heat of day nor gloom of night shall stay these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:05 PM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: My copies of BQ and the Rivendell Holiday Catalog arrived today! peace, shalom, salaam, Michael Westford, Vt --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis
To get your bikes around domestically, look into shipping via either Fed Ex or UPS ground. Contact your motel ask them to take delivery of your bike ship it so it gets there a day or 2 ahead of you. Then when you leave you just re-pack your bike, ship it home. Usually runs around $45-50 each way, at least this year. Plus you can load it up with clothes, tools, etc not be as concerned about weight as if you were dealing with the airlines. And you don't have the hassle of getting your bike from the airport to your motel. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis Jim, I wish I could bring my Bleriot, but I fear the airline prices might be a little high... We should try and have a RBW List get together... On Dec 22, 3:09 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Thanks all for the input. I found a bike map online that indicates a number of greenways and other bike trails, in addition to bike-able city streets, etc. The NAHB show itself is good for about 4 hours of entertainment for me, but the real reason I want to go is to ride my bike (probably Atlantis) in an unfamiliar city. Indy isn't Portland, but it doesn't look that bad. Jim On Dec 22, 1:31 pm, Sarah Gibson sadieja...@hotmail.com wrote: never ridden bikes there myself but this was one listmember or was it ibob anyhoos this is what he had to say damn, flying there so i won't have wheels. kind of a shame, as the town empties at night with huge spread out roads- I was there for a conference and yearning for a bike. It will be a blast for you all. the one thing a bit troublesome with the town was the difficulty finding vegetarian, but i am not terribly picky (outside of that constraint) and can eat quite minimally.peace well behaved women rarely make history_ride yr friggin bicycle_ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a discussion of possible ways to get a threadless fork on a Rivendell or similar bike. Is there really only one right answer? One thing that has not been mentioned is the fact that the typical Riv has a tall head tube, which lends itself well to a threadless fork. Check out the new 64cm Kogswell, for example: http://www.kogswell.com/siteBLOGGER.php I removed an Albatross bar from my Atlantis even though I liked it a lot, simply because I could not get it low enough! Imagine that! It would have been easy with a threadless fork. Actually, I have considered getting a custom fork for that bike, and painting it to match the head tube. On Dec 23, 5:35 pm, jim g yoj...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 23, 12:49 pm, palin...@his.com wrote: Quoting jim g yoj...@gmail.com: This one's certainly not ugly... http://flickr.com/photos/t2architect/3128394163/in/set-72157610331529... No, not hardly! What is that luscious thing, anyway? Custom Toei. Not mine, unfortunately. -Jim G --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
All you need do to remedy (2) above is to not chop the steerer down all the way, leaving a little space both above and below the stem for spacers. Or, if you're really picky, use an NVO stem system: http://www.nvocomponents.com/ -Jim G Their motion graphic gives a whole new slant on 'bike porn'.=8-o Lisa --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today!
Between the 4th and 11th works fine for me... On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Chris fourf...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in Sonoma County until the 30th, but could do something after that. On Dec 23, 5:56 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: I'm interested, for sure. It would be nice to meet many of you in person. I'm in SF until Jan. 4th - but if you guys get something together before then, I'll just make the next one. On Dec 23, 5:31 pm, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Route/stages/stage8.html BTW, any thoughts re. a SoCal coastal get-together in the upcoming days? Between Boxing Day and the 12th I'm pretty much available... DE On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: We've got to find a good long hill where we can watch. I went with some people from LA last year to the top of a grade somewhere out maybe in Ventura County. It was a circus a lot of fun. The actual race group goes by so quickly, even on a steep grade, it's pretty amazing. But it's one of those getting there is half the fun gigs. The course is probably posted we can figure it out. Coming up soon. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:06 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today! It starts in Ranch Bernardo (Poway area) and finishes in downtoen Escondido...sounds good to me Chris On Dec 22, 12:44 pm, rinjin feltov...@gmail.com wrote: Keep us posted if this idea gains traction. My brother lives in O'side and I've ridden there with him a few times. Some very nice rides in the area. To the north there's the Pendleton ride through the Marine base and up the coast to Trestles and San Onofre. Southward there's Swami's and La Jolla. Best burritos are in Carlsbad. I haven't traveled with my Ram before, but there's always a first time. If we wanted to get ambitious (in terms of organization) it's worth thinking about the Tour de (duh?) California's schedule. I believe the ninth and final stage will start in the Escondido area. Brian On Dec 21, 11:20 am, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Doug, great idea! L.A./O.C./I.E. folks could Metrolink down to Oceanside, S.D. people could Metrolink or ride up. Everyone rolls south and then can Metrolink home! Oceanside could be the meet-up, or maybe even San Clemente if we're really motivated (not sure what shape I'm in for that, but an option...) DE On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Although I'm up on Orange County, I'd be interested. So far, I've only run into one other Riv rider in my area, another guy with an Atlantis, he lives about 5 miles away. One of the things my touring buds I do is take Metrolink down to Oceanside either ride from there south or a couple of times we've taken the Sprinter out to Escondido ridden from there. Downtown for an overnight or loops back to Oceanside. Basically north county for you guys. Might be fun to explore further south. Keep me in the loop. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 9:36 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: Meet a new Rivendellian today! Esteban, That sounds good to me, I'll be back after the new year as well. I know I met a guy in Encinitas one that said he rode an Atlantis I think... Chris On Dec 20, 8:58 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Congrats on the mileage. We need to get a little San Diego ride together - maybe up to one of our stellar breweries. I'm back in town from SF after the new year. There's quite a few of us, I think. On Dec 20, 4:21 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2008-12-20 at 14:35 -0800, Chris wrote: Thanks Patrick! BTW- To all the Saluki owners...I really wasn't saying the Bleriot is comperable the Saluki, I'm sure there are tons of differences...it was just striking to see the similarities. Of course, the description of what the intent of the bike is is pretty much the same on the Riv site. Actually, the similarities are intentional. The Bleriot was intended to be a less expensive version of the Saluki. -- Cheers, David Redlands,
[RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis
I just shipped a bike to a UPS customer center near the customer's home. It was much cheaper than it usually is when I ship it to a business or residential address. I'd also recommend paying a bike shop that does mail order to pack and ship the bike. The shop will generally provide a used box and packing materials for free or at a small cost, and will pack it better than you would yourself. If there is damage or loss, the claim is more likely to be paid if a regular shipping customer files it. At least that's been my experience. On Dec 23, 6:46 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: To get your bikes around domestically, look into shipping via either Fed Ex or UPS ground. Contact your motel ask them to take delivery of your bike ship it so it gets there a day or 2 ahead of you. Then when you leave you just re-pack your bike, ship it home. Usually runs around $45-50 each way, at least this year. Plus you can load it up with clothes, tools, etc not be as concerned about weight as if you were dealing with the airlines. And you don't have the hassle of getting your bike from the airport to your motel. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 4:25 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: NAHBS Indianapolis Jim, I wish I could bring my Bleriot, but I fear the airline prices might be a little high... We should try and have a RBW List get together... On Dec 22, 3:09 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Thanks all for the input. I found a bike map online that indicates a number of greenways and other bike trails, in addition to bike-able city streets, etc. The NAHB show itself is good for about 4 hours of entertainment for me, but the real reason I want to go is to ride my bike (probably Atlantis) in an unfamiliar city. Indy isn't Portland, but it doesn't look that bad. Jim On Dec 22, 1:31 pm, Sarah Gibson sadieja...@hotmail.com wrote: never ridden bikes there myself but this was one listmember or was it ibob anyhoos this is what he had to say damn, flying there so i won't have wheels. kind of a shame, as the town empties at night with huge spread out roads- I was there for a conference and yearning for a bike. It will be a blast for you all. the one thing a bit troublesome with the town was the difficulty finding vegetarian, but i am not terribly picky (outside of that constraint) and can eat quite minimally.peace well behaved women rarely make history_ride yr friggin bicycle_ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne geometry is up at RBW site!
on 12/23/08 5:18 PM, Atlantean at softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: So is this some kind of legislative process whereby we determine what kind of steer tube is right and proper for all, which then becomes the law of the land? Have I missed something? I thought I was joining a discussion of possible ways to get a threadless fork on a Rivendell or similar bike. Is there really only one right answer? Nope. Don't think so. In retrospect, that probably would have benefited from a separate thread. Of course not. Folks are bound to disagree on this list, but it's important that we all do so in a way which shows respect to one another. I think with the pressures of this season in general, this year in particular and the fact that many of us aren't getting out and riding, it might not be a bad thing for us all to remember to ease up a bit. Remember that written comments often come across a bit more bruskly than intended, so let's continue to give each other enough elbow room in this happy little pack we've formed for this part of the journey. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Send In Your Photos! - Here's how: http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Stems, steer tubes, threads and lack thereof
The threadless CT-80 below it is pretty... On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 9:07 PM, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 23, 8:18 pm, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: I removed an Albatross bar from my Atlantis even though I liked it a lot, simply because I could not get it low enough! A stem like this stem ought to help that situation: http://www.businesscycles.com/tstem-nitto.htm Imagine that! It would have been easy with a threadless fork. How would've it been easier to lower the bars with a threadless fork? Actually, I have considered getting a custom fork for that bike, and painting it to match the head tube. That stem, while not exactly cheap, is a whole lot cheaper than a custom fork, if the purpose is to get the bars low. Though, if that's the purpose, I bet there's a better bar for your ride. John McMurry Burlington, VT -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Stems, steer tubes, threads and lack thereof
I'm not a fan of the 7 shaped stem, and I really really don't like the looks of track stems. A track stem and an Albatross bar? I don't think so. The Atlantis comes with 15mm of spacers (I think) under the top nut. I couild have shortened the steer tube up by that much and that might have lowered the Albatross bar enough, but since the stem I was using (an old Cinelli 13cm with a home brewed shim) was far from ideal, I was not willing to make such a committment for an experiment. Bike shop mechanics cut steer tubes of all description routinely, by the way. Anyway, if that same frame had come with a threadless fork, it would have been very easy to try the lowest postion available before cutting the fork. People do this all the time with mountain bike builds. Yes, it looks pretty funny with spacers on top of the stem, but once the position is sorted out after a few rides, it's easy to cut the steer tube to the proper length. There is nothing difficult about shuffling spacers around, either. You can't get them backwards or upside down. They come in many different lengths, too, so once the proper dimension is determined, it is possible to use one spacer of the proper length in most cases. That looks pretty tidy. That whole process can get pretty fiddly, but then so can unwrapping bars and removing levers in order to try a different stem. With modern mountain bike stems, and increasingly common road setups, it's easy to swap between stems. Takes a couple of minutes. We have a guest bike, an old GT dually, that several people ride over the course of a season. It's a very simple matter to swap stems on that bike, and it gets done often. It has air springs on each end, so at the most we swap out saddles, stems, pedals and adjust the air pressure and it's good to go. This is a very common practice. On Dec 23, 10:07 pm, John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com wrote: On Dec 23, 8:18 pm, Atlantean softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com wrote: I removed an Albatross bar from my Atlantis even though I liked it a lot, simply because I could not get it low enough! A stem like this stem ought to help that situation: http://www.businesscycles.com/tstem-nitto.htm Imagine that! It would have been easy with a threadless fork. How would've it been easier to lower the bars with a threadless fork? Actually, I have considered getting a custom fork for that bike, and painting it to match the head tube. That stem, while not exactly cheap, is a whole lot cheaper than a custom fork, if the purpose is to get the bars low. Though, if that's the purpose, I bet there's a better bar for your ride. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: WTT: maxy fasty with col de la vie
Thanks. The maxy fasty pair has been traded. Rene valbu...@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. [Original Message] From: John McMurry johnmcmu...@gmail.com To: valbu...@ix.netcom.com Date: 12/23/2008 11:04:11 AM Subject: Re: WTT: maxy fasty with col de la vie Hi Rene, Have you found a trade yet? Cheers, John On Dec 20, 12:22 pm, valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I have a pair of slightly used maxy fasty that I want to trade with equally used pair of col de la vie. Please contact me off list. Thanks, Rene valbu...@ix.netcom.com EarthLink Revolves Around You. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
