[RBW] 650B -Grand Bois Cypres tire
A little over a year ago, I made a few statements comparing tires based on theory. I was wrong. http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/msg/ca91f41f70f6d57a I now have a few hundred miles on a pair of 584X32mm (actual 30mm) Grand Bois Cypres tires (same wheels, bicycle, etc.) and can positively say, with back to back comparison, that there is a noticeable difference in feel between the similar Maxy Fasty tires. The most accurate comparison I can provide is: The Maxy Fasty's feel like riding over suede whereas the Cypres' feel like riding over velvet. Of course, the Cypres' lighter casing and thinner tread is a trade off for durability. That analysis is for each rider to determine on their own. For me, that means riding the MF's for utility, errands, commuting, and shorter rides; and saving the Cypres for my longer, weekend rides. Just wanted to set the record straight and acknowledge my previous error. John McMurry Burlington, VT --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Funny question this morning? (version 2: digital shifting)
About six years ago I was on a ride in Solvang. I was on my Kestrel 4000 (the original Kestrel with the really large aero-shped tubes) with a Campy C-Record group. I caught a couple of other riders, both in their 20s, both on modern bikes with integrated shifting, etc. I reached down to shift gears (down tube) and one of the guys looked over and asked me is that that new digital shifting? I responded huh? He said, that digital shifting again. I then realized that my down tube shifters, with the derailleur cables routed through the frame, were confusing him. Mavic or somebody had put out an electronic shifting system of some sort around that time and apparently this guy thought I must be using that, because he'd never before seen this radical shifting system I was using. I responded, no, this is friction 7-speed shifting, This bike is from 1990. To which he replied, but that's a carbon bike I said yes, carbon's been around since at least the early 80s. At that point his eyes glazed over and I veered onto a different road. On Jun 8, 10:33 am, Joe Bartoe jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Everyone, I thought I'd share a comical moment from my morning commute: I was riding alongside another commuter (he on a Specialized Roubaix Carbon bike, me on my Riv) when he looked my bike over and asked what that extra tube was for. What extra tube? I asked. The one under the top tube. he replied. It took me a few seconds to figure out that he was referrring to my frame pump. Wow! Have a great Monday, Joe _ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Coffee holder
Thanks to whomever on the list suggested the Nissan Thermos sport bottle for carrying coffee on the bike. Found one on eBay and used it for the first time this morning. Commuted in on the Hillborne. The bottle works well. Rattled a bit in the King cage. But otherwise no trouble. Oh, and it kept the coffee warm for almost 4 hours. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Coffee holder
Starbucks sells nice thermos bottles as well. I found called groovy slim on sale a few years ago. It will fit in a bottle cage, but I usually stow it in a handlebar bag. It will keep coffee warm all day. --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:16 AM, EricP wrote: Thanks to whomever on the list suggested the Nissan Thermos sport bottle for carrying coffee on the bike. Found one on eBay and used it for the first time this morning. Commuted in on the Hillborne. The bottle works well. Rattled a bit in the King cage. But otherwise no trouble. Oh, and it kept the coffee warm for almost 4 hours. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
Is there a campground at the top of Page Mill? Are you thinking of Black Mouintain (http://www.openspace.org/activities/ ideas_for_campers.asp)? Another possibility could be to descend on the hike n' bike at Half Moon Bay SP. There is also camping in Portola State Park, but it is a mighty steep climb coming out... I think the biggest barrier to getting out for an S24H is the whole need a reservation thing (besides securing a quick furlough from parental responsibiities). Anybody else on the SF peninsula have S24H spots they're willing to divulge? BTW, this looks to be the last summer of cheap and always available bike 'n hike accomodations in CA state parks, since they're all going to close due to the failure of our state govt to fix the budget disaster This is tragic. I've GOT to get away for at least a 3-4 nighter this summer while I still can -br --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Chainline Question
Dave .. . I appreciate your input. I wish I could use an XD w/175mm arms . . . oh I wish I could. I'm used to it though, it's the outside the norm tax :) Your Carmina, their appears to be two versions, one with both sides of the arms anodized, the other with a bead blasted interior arm. Which is yours? . . as apparently they take different BB's according to Peter White. What was the BB length before you ran into the clearance problem of the RF ring? Your 119 Phil BB, by centered do you mean it's symmetrical? In regards to the FD, with a 46t ring, the vintage Deore I have has plenty of room left to drop. Something like that may work with smaller rings. -Garth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Bay Area Riding - first week of June
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who gave me riding ideas. I have a couple of posts about the riding (and a visit to RBW) here: http://veloflaneur.wordpress.com/ And plenty of photos of our trip here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/sets/72157619088156277/ Thanks again! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jun 2, 10:14 pm, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: cool ideas - thanks! Franklyn, I'll try to send you a note. On Jun 2, 9:15 am, franklyn frankly...@gmail.com wrote: Esteban, contact me off list, I can set you up with a great route out of berkeley depending on the distance, difficulty and amount of time you have. I can also point you to some mixed terrain here if you are interested. If you are in marin, don't miss Mt Tam; many people (including myself) on this list can give you directions. Take your protovelo to Berkeley, the roads here deserve a bike like that. Franklyn On Jun 2, 9:07 am, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: There's the Pinehurst and Redwood Road loop. There are many ways to approach it, depending on your starting point. Here is one version someone put up on MapMyRide with a start in Berkeley: http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/oakland/503225247 It's a nice loop, but exercise caution, as the roads are narrow, the cliffs steep, and drivers often think they are Mario Andretti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaoU96BKcSM You could also stitch the Pinehurst loop together with Wildcat Canyon. And depending on your legs, I think there is a way to combine all of them with the San Pablo Reservoir and the Briones Reservoir and park area. I can't remember what that loop is called. I think it's called the Three Bears or something like that. It goes out on Bear Creek Rd., Alhambra Valley Rd., etc. Aaron On Jun 2, 7:56 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, folks. I took the Protovelo, now with drops, for its first trip to the Bay Area (we're up here 4-5 times a year). So, I've worked it out, and I'm riding Mt. Diablo today, and so far, I have tentatively planned: Berkeley tomorrow morning-ish (maybe on my folder) Marin Thursday afternoon, starting at Mill Valley, riding around, ending backin San Francisco Headlands, maybe, with my father-in-law Saturday Napa on Monday If anyone knows any particularly good routes, or of any group rides going on this week or community events, let me know. I'm stoked: http://tinyurl.com/kndfzj --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Bill Rheabillr...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there a campground at the top of Page Mill? Are you thinking of Black Mouintain (http://www.openspace.org/activities/ ideas_for_campers.asp)? That's the spot. I've camped there several times. Campers are alone in what might as well be the middle of nowhere, although it's so near Silicon Valley. One has to hike or bike in, so campers are never bothered by noisy motorists. The running water is not potable, but one can easily carry water or a water filter. Another possibility could be to descend on the hike n' bike at Half Moon Bay SP. There is also camping in Portola State Park, but it is a mighty steep climb coming out... In the past, riders could exit Portola Redwoods by riding out on Old Haul Road, a fire road, to Memorial Park. The last time I camped at Portola Park I got a rude shock when I found out Old Haul Road was closed and I'd have to ride back up that mighty steep road. I don't know if Old Haul Road is open again. Sanborn Park, at the top of Sanborn Road (above Saratoga), could be a perfect overnight getaway. It's not as much climbing as Black Mountain, but still a respectable distance. If we got a group together including someone from Palo Alto, we could camp at Foothills Park, another delightful campground. I'm fond of Grant Ranch Park partway up Mount Hamilton Road, though from my house it involves a tedious ride through San Jose before one gets to the good stuff. Other possibilities would be Castle Rock, Memorial Park, Big Basin and Butano Park. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Sam Hillborne's name
So I'm hoping someone here knows the answer to this. Where did Grant get the name of the Sam Hillborne? Maybe this was in a past Reader that I missed, or maybe it's obvious to everyone but me. I have a 60cm arriving shortly and names seem important an I thought I ought to know where the name comes from (doubtless I will be asked). I can come up with several possibilities, but thought someone might point me in the right direction. Cheers! Karl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
I'm interested. I would vote for Foothills Park if someone in Palo Alto can come through--I'm in Mt View. I'm a bike camping newbie--tried Half Moon Bay with a small group last October and really liked it, but it's a tougher trip (big hill in both directions) from my place than I like to do for an overnight at my current fitness level. For a sub-48 if it's possible to stay 2 days... This weekend I'm going to Uvas Canyon (Morgan Hill) with a small group from the Almaden cycling club. I will report back... Grant Ranch sounds good--wonder if we could use light rail or Caltrain for part of the trip through San Jose if the group is not too large. I could probably be talked into most of these suggestions, including Half-Moon Bay. --Adele Newman Anne Paulson wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Bill Rheabillr...@yahoo.com wrote: Is there a campground at the top of Page Mill? Are you thinking of Black Mouintain (http://www.openspace.org/activities/ ideas_for_campers.asp)? That's the spot. I've camped there several times. Campers are alone in what might as well be the middle of nowhere, although it's so near Silicon Valley. One has to hike or bike in, so campers are never bothered by noisy motorists. The running water is not potable, but one can easily carry water or a water filter. Another possibility could be to descend on the hike n' bike at Half Moon Bay SP. There is also camping in Portola State Park, but it is a mighty steep climb coming out... In the past, riders could exit Portola Redwoods by riding out on Old Haul Road, a fire road, to Memorial Park. The last time I camped at Portola Park I got a rude shock when I found out Old Haul Road was closed and I'd have to ride back up that mighty steep road. I don't know if Old Haul Road is open again. Sanborn Park, at the top of Sanborn Road (above Saratoga), could be a perfect overnight getaway. It's not as much climbing as Black Mountain, but still a respectable distance. If we got a group together including someone from Palo Alto, we could camp at Foothills Park, another delightful campground. I'm fond of Grant Ranch Park partway up Mount Hamilton Road, though from my house it involves a tedious ride through San Jose before one gets to the good stuff. Other possibilities would be Castle Rock, Memorial Park, Big Basin and Butano Park. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: SF Peninsula s24 overnight? was Re: [RBW] S24O: Crystal Cove, 6/27
OK, roll call time. Anyone from the Peninsula area (let's say, San Jose to Redwood City, more or less) who is interested in a sub-24 overnight, email me. Let me know what your schedule is, and what destinations appeal to you. Let's think about a trip in late June or late July. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
That TA crank needs a 115mm BB, according to some info from Sheldon Browns site. This gives a very narrow Q of 134mm. You could go wider on the BB, but not narrower. These arms are straight. No bow. What is the current length of your spindle? I don't know the Saluki well enough, but a double of this crank may not have room to clear the small rings. I found this photo of one. . . . it would be tight with a 30t ring. You may need a slightly longer BB. http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc117-joeszokoli0506.html Isn't customizing fun? :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Coffee holder
I have the King cage, and no rattles. I would suggest one of those skinny gas station cuzies for added insulation and rattle-free riding. On Jun 11, 11:40 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Starbucks sells nice thermos bottles as well. I found called groovy slim on sale a few years ago. It will fit in a bottle cage, but I usually stow it in a handlebar bag. It will keep coffee warm all day. --Eric campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org On Jun 11, 2009, at 8:16 AM, EricP wrote: Thanks to whomever on the list suggested the Nissan Thermos sport bottle for carrying coffee on the bike. Found one on eBay and used it for the first time this morning. Commuted in on the Hillborne. The bottle works well. Rattled a bit in the King cage. But otherwise no trouble. Oh, and it kept the coffee warm for almost 4 hours. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
The Pro 5 Vis is a wonderful crank, IMHO, but I do want to point out that there is not much room between the outer chain ring and the arm. Make sure you have a derailleur that has a flat outer cage or you'll need to replace that, too. Cheers, Karl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:56 PM, relistan relis...@gmail.com wrote: The Pro 5 Vis is a wonderful crank, IMHO, but I do want to point out that there is not much room between the outer chain ring and the arm. Make sure you have a derailleur that has a flat outer cage or you'll need to replace that, too. IIRC, the new production models have more room here. Check Velo Orange? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
On Jun 11, 2:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, the new production models have more room here. Check Velo Orange? I could be wrong, but I don't think so, because Chris at VO sells this derailleur and specifically mentions this case: http://www.velo-orange.com/fsagofrd.html I know on my 80's era set it's definitely tightish in there. Nothing to worry about, just wanted to point it out ahead of time so nobody gets surprised. :) Karl --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
Perhaps it's not VO, but I distinctly remember reading that someone had arranged a new run of the venerable Cyclotourists with more gap. (Or, at least I distinctly remember thinking that I remember thinking that I saw what I thought I was seeing as such an assertion) Bicycle Classics? Mariposa? I bet Jan Heine at Bicycle Quarterly will know, as will someone on the iBob list. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, relistan relis...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, the new production models have more room here. Check Velo Orange? I could be wrong, but I don't think so, because Chris at VO sells this derailleur and specifically mentions this case: http://www.velo-orange.com/fsagofrd.html I know on my 80's era set it's definitely tightish in there. Nothing to worry about, just wanted to point it out ahead of time so nobody gets surprised. :) Karl -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
They may have moved it out a few mm, but it's still super tight on the new ones (I have 2 sets), and that FSA derailleur works well. Other derailleurs with completely flat cages like some Campy, and I believe the FD-6600-G Shimano America, might work. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM, PATRICK MOOREbertin...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it's not VO, but I distinctly remember reading that someone had arranged a new run of the venerable Cyclotourists with more gap. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
Hi, That would be my bike. I did change over to a Phil bottom bracket, now let me think; half of 115 is say 57 +3mm of spacers is 60 and that doubled would be 120mm. I think I ended up with a 122, to set the bike up symerrical, but I'm not a low Q nut as my knees like it a little wider than some. Joe On Thursday, June 11, 2009, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: That TA crank needs a 115mm BB, according to some info from Sheldon Browns site. This gives a very narrow Q of 134mm. You could go wider on the BB, but not narrower. These arms are straight. No bow. What is the current length of your spindle? I don't know the Saluki well enough, but a double of this crank may not have room to clear the small rings. I found this photo of one. . . . it would be tight with a 30t ring. You may need a slightly longer BB. http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc117-joeszokoli0506.html Isn't customizing fun? :) -- Joe Szokoli New York City --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
Are you thinking of the Sugino PX that VO sells? http://www.velo-orange.com/supxcr.html It has a wider Q, not sure about ring clearance though. On Jun 11, 6:08 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps it's not VO, but I distinctly remember reading that someone had arranged a new run of the venerable Cyclotourists with more gap. (Or, at least I distinctly remember thinking that I remember thinking that I saw what I thought I was seeing as such an assertion) Bicycle Classics? Mariposa? I bet Jan Heine at Bicycle Quarterly will know, as will someone on the iBob list. On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:05 PM, relistan relis...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 11, 2:58 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, the new production models have more room here. Check Velo Orange? I could be wrong, but I don't think so, because Chris at VO sells this derailleur and specifically mentions this case: http://www.velo-orange.com/fsagofrd.html I know on my 80's era set it's definitely tightish in there. Nothing to worry about, just wanted to point it out ahead of time so nobody gets surprised. :) Karl -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 16:08 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Perhaps it's not VO, but I distinctly remember reading that someone had arranged a new run of the venerable Cyclotourists with more gap. I recall that as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne's name
There was a Sam Hill known as the Father of good roads in the 1920s. He championed the Pacific Highway. Could be a play on him. Then there was a movie a while back, but I can't recall what the Sam Hill Jason's last name was... On Jun 11, 4:20 pm, Rick richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote: Wish I could say, I googled it when they were announced, but did not find. I wait expectantly for someone else to provide the enlightenment. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
Two suggestions. Why don't you take a look at the White VBC crank before you buy. They have a very low Q and lots of ring flexibility. Second, one problem with a difference of 16 between rings is that once you shift rings you are many cogs away from the next gear, and in fact there really isn't a good pattern when you shift rings. A difference of 14 will put you exactly two cogs away from the next gear of about + or - 10 % almost anywhere on the cassette. So you might want to consider a 44 / 30. You give up a couple of gear inches at the top, but get a smoother pattern. A 30x32 is a small enough gear for most riders to get up most hills without a touring load, and the 44x12 (99 g.i.) will allow you to spin up to 30 mph; after that you can tuck and coast. Michael On Jun 11, 3:58 pm, Darren Stone dst...@bitmason.com wrote: Hi. I have a tech crankarm/BB/spindle question that could use some expert insight. Current: Saluki w/ Sugino 50-40-26 triple Phil BB. It's fine but I definitely notice the width/tread/q-factor. My other rides are all singlespeeds, so that's to be expected. The triple is decadent but I'm seriously thinking about moving to a wide-range double. I spend most of my time in the 40 ring, likely in the 43 to 86 inch range. I've done the math and a 46-30 double might suit my riding needs. I'd like to keep my 8 speed 12-32 XT cassette, Campy Record 9-speed chain, and friction shift. It's all working well. So what I'm considering are the TA Pro 5 Vis cranks. Apparently, they're narrower than most cranksets so that's very appealing. Aesthetically, gorgeous. No reason to change the Phil BB, I assume. But what do I need to measure/scrutinize/order now before I make the switch? I understand chainline but some of the BB width and spindle length specs confuse me. Open to opinions. Cheers! -Darren. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
Wow, some good feedback already. Thanks, all. I haven't pulled the cranks to determine spindle width for sure, but I just asked my LBS and they believe it was a 113 (maybe a 111?) that they put in there for the Sugino triple. That doesn't seem very long, but then this BB stuff is an aspect of bikes I'm no expert at. Does it make sense that a TA double would need a longer spindle than I'm currently using for a Sugino triple? -Darren. On Jun 11, 1:25 pm, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote: That TA crank needs a 115mm BB, according to some info from Sheldon Browns site. This gives a very narrow Q of 134mm. You could go wider on the BB, but not narrower. These arms are straight. No bow. What is the current length of your spindle? I don't know the Saluki well enough, but a double of this crank may not have room to clear the small rings. I found this photo of one. . . . it would be tight with a 30t ring. You may need a slightly longer BB.http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc117-joeszokoli0506.html Isn't customizing fun? :) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: Crank/BB/spindle tips (changing triple to double)
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Darren Stone dst...@bitmason.com wrote: Does it make sense that a TA double would need a longer spindle than I'm currently using for a Sugino triple? In the current and rather weird jargon term: Absolutely. I don't have much experience with cranks built after, say, 1990, but I do have a little, and I would guess that a modern crank might well have a higher Q than a Cyclotourist triple on the same frame even though the Cyclotourist triple might use a spindle that is as much as 30 mm longer than that for the modern crank. I got a Q of 160 with a custom 145 Phil and a Cyclotourist triple. Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
