Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Bill Gibson
I always thought of 584/650B as a way to get more tire in the right frame size with all the right clearances for fenders, etc. more than any other reason. And that especially for smaller sizes that even smaller wheels - 559/mountain bike size or - in my wife's case, for her mountain bike, 507/24

[RBW] 2010 Cirque du Cyclisme Photos

2010-08-15 Thread Marty
I'm way late with this, but here's a link to my set of photos from this year's Cirque in Leesburg VA. Plenty of Singer, Herse, Witcomb, Weigle, classic Italian, etc., etc.This is a great show for anyone who loves the Golden Age, and the current builders who carry on the craft. Enjoy!

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread JoelMatthews
I always thought of 584/650B as a way to get more tire in the right frame size with all the right clearances for fenders, etc. more than any other reason. Most likely the case. Combination of the market that makes up the 650b owners being overall more aware of what makes a good tire and

[RBW] Re: Is this rim wear unusual

2010-08-15 Thread EricP
Will agree with Tim, that the o/p should check his brake pads. However, will also agree with David Craig and suggest the person also pull the tire, tube and rim strip and make sure there are no cracks in the rim with that wear. Had two Velocity rims crack internally, so am more paranoid about

[RBW] Re: All Rounder Flickr Group

2010-08-15 Thread EricP
Good to see this. I don't have one, but do have a 26 wheel 58cm LHT. When Surly went with that option, boy, was there a lot of griping on the Surly list. Still are quite a few folks who don't like it. Then again, my dream bike would probably be a custom 61cm Atlantis for 26 wheels. Yeah, that

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread MichaelH
I think this is right. I don't think Grant has retreated from 650B for larger sizes. He has always argued in favor of wider road tires, 28-35 mm, and that it is easier to achieve that on small frames with a 584 rim diameter because the 622 size forces unwanted compromises on the frame design.

[RBW] Re: Is this rim wear unusual

2010-08-15 Thread thirty-six
On 14 Aug, 03:53, carnerda...@bellsouth.net carnerda...@bellsouth.net wrote: My 650B Sam Hillborne has Velocity Synergy rims and Shimano Deore V- brakes with the pads that came on them. Since new the front wheel has had a little tick with each revolution while braking.  I assumed this was a

[RBW] SoCal Autumn Rides

2010-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
We're having dates, times and routes under discussion right now. Check out the conversation and see if you can fit a great ride with some even greater people into your schedule! http://www.flickr.com/groups/socal_rivendell_bicycle_appreciation_society/discuss/72157624523700361/ -- Cheers,

[RBW] Re: Mini-rack for Dia Compe 750 centerpulls

2010-08-15 Thread Lee
Classy setup, Jason. I think fellow lister Nathan has used Albatross bars with a handlebar bag and standard size front rack (no decauler, though): http://tinyurl.com/23o7aft Btw, what size bottom bracket are you using with those cranks on the Bleriot? Happy Sunday, Lee On Aug 14, 4:04 pm,

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread RoadieRyan
Is it possible the retreat from larger sized 650b is simply a business decision? I get the impression, no hard facts, that there is less demand for larger sizes, especially over say 62 cm, than the mid- range, so it would follow that demand larger sizes spec'd for a non traditional wheel size is

[RBW] Re: Mini-rack for Dia Compe 750 centerpulls

2010-08-15 Thread jandrews_nyc
its the VO 118mm BB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread MichaelH
Over the years, Rivendell has trimmed its offering of larger sizes, independent of tire size. They don't offer anything equivalent to the Redwood, which went to 68, and have stopped offering the Atlantis in even a 64. I don't own an Atlantis but if it came in a 64, I would be tempted. michael

[RBW] Re: 2010 Cirque du Cyclisme Photos

2010-08-15 Thread SISDDWG
Very enjoyable! Thanks. On Aug 15, 4:37 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: I'm way late with this, but here's a link to my set of photos from this year's Cirque in Leesburg VA. Plenty of Singer, Herse, Witcomb, Weigle, classic Italian, etc., etc.This is a great show for anyone who loves the

[RBW] I'm living in a bicycle factory!

2010-08-15 Thread Marty
I'm new to Chicago, and rented a place in what I thought was the old Dr. Scholls factory in Old Town. Nice brick building, beamed ceilings etc. Even had a bike lift in my place when I moved in. Found out today that before the Doctor, it was home to Western Wheel Works - maker of Crescent bicycles,

[RBW] Re: I'm living in a bicycle factory!

2010-08-15 Thread Marty
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[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread bfd
On Aug 15, 10:29 am, RoadieRyan rya...@hotmail.com wrote: Is it possible the retreat from larger sized 650b is simply a business decision?  I get the impression, no hard facts, that there is less demand for larger sizes, especially over say 62 cm, than the mid- range, so it would follow that

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
Two distinct but complementary phenomena. The larger sizes I was speaking of in the context of Riv retreating from 650B in larger sizes are sizes above 52 cm (e.g., the Hillborne comes in 650B only in 48 and 52 cm). 54-60 cm don't constitute large sizes for outlier huge people, these constitute

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 06:47 -0700, MichaelH wrote: I think this is right. I don't think Grant has retreated from 650B for larger sizes. He has always argued in favor of wider road tires, 28-35 mm, and that it is easier to achieve that on small frames with a 584 rim diameter because the 622

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 05:05 -0700, JoelMatthews wrote: I always thought of 584/650B as a way to get more tire in the right frame size with all the right clearances for fenders, etc. more than any other reason. Most likely the case. Combination of the market that makes up the 650b owners

Re: [RBW] Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 19:20 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Why are 650B tires better rolling and smoother than 700c tires, all things else being equal? If I understand wheels, the bigger the diameter, the smoother the ride. All things are not equal. Compare just about any 700C x 38 tire with a

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Jim Cloud
Steve, I guess this discussion merits another on the subject of the availability of 700C size tires that are designed around the parameters of the Gran Bois Hetre or Pacenti Pari-Moto (wide [38-42mm], supple sidewalls, lightweight and with fine herringbone tread patterns). Why doesn't anyone make

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 15:08 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: Steve, I guess this discussion merits another on the subject of the availability of 700C size tires that are designed around the parameters of the Gran Bois Hetre or Pacenti Pari-Moto (wide [38-42mm], supple sidewalls, lightweight and with

[RBW] Hunquapillar

2010-08-15 Thread Jim
What is the current estimated time of arrival of the Hunqua? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Hunquapillar

2010-08-15 Thread cyclofiend
On Aug 15, 8:35 am, Jim jfxdinn...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current estimated time of arrival of the Hunqua? Probably best to give Rivendell a call directly on Monday morning. They'll have pretty much the official word on it. - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed

[RBW] Re: Hunquapillar

2010-08-15 Thread Marty
To save a call, I happened to get an Email from Grant this weekend, and he mentioned that they would be ready in September. I can't say - and he didn't say - how long to get into the ship mode once they have them, so I would not expect a 9-1 box at your door if you're on the list. Paint is still

Re: [RBW] Re: Is this rim wear unusual

2010-08-15 Thread carnerda...@bellsouth.net
First, thanks to all who have shared their experience, observations and advice. Here are the brake pads: http://www.flickr.com/photos/carner/4892840374/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/carner/4892244553/ I removed the tire and rim tape and closely inspected the rim. I saw no signs of even tiny

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread William
The 58cm Betty Foy takes 650B, is a super bike, and would easily fit a 6'0 or 6'1 dude. I'm only half joking. Maybe not even half. With drop bars on a dirt drop stem, that would be a super touing/rando bike. Only one water bottle cage but otherwise would have everything you need. On Aug 15,

[RBW] Re: Hunquapillar

2010-08-15 Thread William
Waterford and Toyo? Wow, that's a lot of changes. I thought it was going to be a Taiwan frame. On Aug 15, 3:44 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: To save a call, I happened to get an Email from Grant this weekend, and he mentioned that they would be ready in September. I can't say - and he

[RBW] Re: Hunquapillar

2010-08-15 Thread Marty
I think I recall from way back that they said the forks were going to be made by Toyo, so maybe the frames and the forks come together there and then on to WC. I really can't recall what the logistics were, or if they were ever talked about. Not sure it even matters. It's a world frame for sure.

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Jim Cloud
On Aug 15, 3:19 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: There's no Consumer Reports of bike tires, either.  So if there was a diamond out there amongst all the hybrid tires, who would ever know it? Well, I think that Jan Heine has done a pretty good job of testing bicycle tires and this

Re: [RBW] Re: I'm living in a bicycle factory!

2010-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
If you gotta' live somewhere, might as well be in a (former) bike factory! On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:06 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Link to the proof here: http://tinyurl.com/23gk9au -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group.

[RBW] Re: Is this rim wear unusual

2010-08-15 Thread Angus
David, If it were me, and it's not, but if it were...I wouldn't worry about it too much. Rims wear much more when things are wet, on-road or off. I clean and check the rims/brakes after riding in the wet to get out all the stuff embedded in the brake pads. I have a Sun Rhino-Lite rim on a MTB

[RBW] Re: I'm living in a bicycle factory!

2010-08-15 Thread Angus
Marty, What good luck! I like the picture of the factory pouring out black smoke...not something we would advertise today :-) Enjoy the unique home! Angus On Aug 15, 2:06 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Link to the proof here: http://tinyurl.com/23gk9au -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Beth H
Allow me to add my slightly more-informed two cents and say that I would also agree. My [wholesale] distros are telling me that few of them plan to widen their variety of 650b offerings for next year because demand has fallen off among specialty shops and their customers; and that demand never

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Angus
Michael, I believe Grant recently posted that he would make larger Atlantis sizes as a special order. I own a 64cm Atlantis and love it! Angus On Aug 15, 1:31 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years, Rivendell has trimmed its offering of larger sizes, independent of tire size.

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 18:42 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote: On Aug 15, 3:19 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: There's no Consumer Reports of bike tires, either. So if there was a diamond out there amongst all the hybrid tires, who would ever know it? Well, I think that Jan Heine

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Earl Grey
I would guess that even in the tiny niche of riders who love combined road/dirt rides, there are more 700C bikes than 650B out there. While Jan Heine claims that tires in the 33-44mm range or so handle best in a 650B size (see BQ Spring 2010, p. 19), I would love to see a light, supple 38-40/700C

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Earl Grey
Forgot to mention why the wire bead versions may be less desirable: not because I am a weight weenie, but because the added weight of the wire bead increases the gyroscopic force enough to impact the handling negatively (making the bike harder to turn, and the line through corners harder to

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread cyclotourist
While I think that sounds like the perfect tire, how many non touring or hybrid bikers are out there that can accommodate that size? Even among Rivendell's lineup, the lighter weight bikes (Roadeo, Rambouillet) wouldn't be able to run that size. You would need to get a Sam or an Atlantis. Not

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread james black
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 20:44, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: While I think that sounds like the perfect tire, how many non touring or hybrid bikers are out there that can accommodate that size?  Even among Rivendell's lineup, the lighter weight bikes (Roadeo, Rambouillet) wouldn't

[RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread Jim Cloud
I'm sure that we're not going to find an agreement on the RBW Owner's Group site.. I think, however, that this snip I took from Sheldon Brown's site pertaining to various sizes of tires that are available relates to my statement about the 650B tire size. 584 mm, 650B, is the focus of this

Re: [RBW] Re: Riv's Retreat from 650B in Larger Sizes, Optimum Tire Pressures/Sizes

2010-08-15 Thread james black
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 21:18, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: I stand by my comment that the traditional 650B size tire, as it was used by the French was generally for loaded touring bikes - which they often referred to as the Camping model.  If some today are using the size for a