Re: [RBW] Re: Romulus geometry chart?
Thanks for the help with geometries and suggesting the Legolas! It was fun to research a Rivendell I had never paid attention to. This group is not only helpful but a pleasure. Seth, you ought to be Rivendell's VP for sales! Good riding, Tim On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.comwrote: here is a the later model geometry http://www.rivbike.com/images/static/upload/RBW-GeometryCharts.pdf the 54-56 have 52mm rake. ~Mike On Apr 15, 6:13 pm, Jason Hartman rjasonhart...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 5:13 PM, Tim Whalen whalen...@gmail.com wrote: LOL! Thanks much Seth! Tim and for comparison: http://cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/ram_17.jpg I have not looked thoroughly in the web archive, but I think at some point the Rambouillet front end geometry changed to 72 degree head angle with a 55mm fork rake. Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] AMOS update
I haven't seen any mention of the Soma/Amos update on the Riv page: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/349 I was disappointed to hear this about the second top tube: *It is an expanded frame, meaning the top tube slopes up 6-degrees to assure good comfy highish handlebars even if you buy a bit too small. The first three sizes coming---by late May, we're told, but we are out of that loop---will be 54, 59, and 63. The two bigger have an undertube (second top tube), and the 54 won't. The other sizes are 47 and 51, and they'll come later and will fit 650B wheels.* I've been kind of debating this bike vs. the Rawland Nordavinden (if that one ever happens...), but, I'm sorry, I find this whole second top tube thing just silly, especially on a sporty road bike. No thanks. Eric Dublin, OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
Eric I shared your reaction to the 2TT on the San Marcos. A second top tube sounds very much unnecessary and out of place on a 59cm road bike that is sturdy enough for fenders but not racks. I'll keep saving for a Roadeo or a custom (or the next thing I can't live without). On Apr 17, 7:13 am, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any mention of the Soma/Amos update on the Riv page: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/349 I was disappointed to hear this about the second top tube: *It is an expanded frame, meaning the top tube slopes up 6-degrees to assure good comfy highish handlebars even if you buy a bit too small. The first three sizes coming---by late May, we're told, but we are out of that loop---will be 54, 59, and 63. The two bigger have an undertube (second top tube), and the 54 won't. The other sizes are 47 and 51, and they'll come later and will fit 650B wheels.* I've been kind of debating this bike vs. the Rawland Nordavinden (if that one ever happens...), but, I'm sorry, I find this whole second top tube thing just silly, especially on a sporty road bike. No thanks. Eric Dublin, OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] AMOS update
Me, too. The second top tube is a deal killer. Sorry to be grousy but it's a dumb idea except maybe for cargo bikes. On Apr 17, 2011, at 9:13 AM, Eric Daume wrote: I haven't seen any mention of the Soma/Amos update on the Riv page: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/349 I was disappointed to hear this about the second top tube: It is an expanded frame, meaning the top tube slopes up 6-degrees to assure good comfy highish handlebars even if you buy a bit too small. The first three sizes coming---by late May, we're told, but we are out of that loop---will be 54, 59, and 63. The two bigger have an undertube (second top tube), and the 54 won't. The other sizes are 47 and 51, and they'll come later and will fit 650B wheels. I've been kind of debating this bike vs. the Rawland Nordavinden (if that one ever happens...), but, I'm sorry, I find this whole second top tube thing just silly, especially on a sporty road bike. No thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
On Apr 17, 8:01 am, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Me, too. The second top tube is a deal killer. Sorry to be grousy but it's a dumb idea except maybe for cargo bikes. Agree. I can see 650b for smaller size, but the 700c bikes getting a second top tube is too much! I don't get Grant when he says: kind of bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames should've gotten - really? Guys who are looking at $6K carbon bikes are not going for 650b or double top tubes. Sorry, doesn't work on either count. I guess with a total distribution of only 15 frames/size, they shouldn't have too much trouble selling. Still, I doubt its going to be on anyone's radar who is also looking at $6K carbon bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room.It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. -Matt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?
Winter projects are progressing...slowly, becoming spring projects The bikes and misc parts got cleaned out in a major way sold/ ebay'd or donated. Not the least of which were my lovely Rambouillet http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157623702627095/ and my Trek 610 fixie beater http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/3922031207/in/set-72157622375998384 I'm down to about 2 3/4 bikes now (feels odd), a leaner parts bin and a paypal account that is itching to be spent. Most of my efforts are directed toward building up a new commuter/ allrounder. My custom Banjo Cycles frame/fork/rack finally arrived and it was well worth the wait. It was conceived with an Alfine 11 internal gear hub, Hetres and a mini porteur rack in mind. At first glance it is a plain gray TIG frame, but workmanship is top notch and there are many nice details that show a lot of thought on the part of the builder. http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157626209514850/ Parts should be coming the mail this week. There is still a ton of work to do with wiring the front and rear lights, installing fenders, deciding on a crank/bb, and assembling the ordinary brake/handlebar business. I have the Jitensha flats bars on it but may switch to noodles when JTEK comes out with an 11speed Alfine shifter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room. It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
It's basically a roady frame, not a country bike, not a touring bike, just a really nice and versatile road frame kind of the way the Rambouillet was, and the Roadeo would be if it were a hair heavier and had rack mounts. A ROAD bike with clearance for tires up to 33mm with fenders, or 35mm without. The kind of bike you'd get for road riding, club rides, charitable centuries, and occasional careful smooth fire roading. The kind of bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames should've gotten instead, but they don't think so. And this bike needs a second top tube?... that's nuts. It's a road bike, not an off-road bike. It simply doesn't need a second top tube in large sizes. Look at the tens of thousands of large steel road bikes out there; do any have double top tubes? Look at the Rambouillet. And are these bikes prone to collapsing like a deck of cards for the lack of a second top tube?... of course not! Are they so flexy that they're unstable? Ask any of the RBW or iBOB readers who ride larger (60cm +) steel road bikes. The second top tube idea is just silly and will keep many from buying this bike. Hey let's add some extra weight to the bike without any reasonable benefit and see if people will buy it? Yeah, these will just fly off the showroom floor! On Apr 17, 9:53 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room. It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Follow up re WTB: 58 cm Rambouillet
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tim, I have a 59 Romulus frame for sale if you have any interest. Ive read that its the same exact fram as the Ram, just different paint. Thanks, -Mike They are similar, but not exactly the same. Here's a chart with most of the differences: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20040225124308/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_romulus_16.html Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update
Nailed it. On 4/17/11, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: bfd I think you are taking your point a little far. Grant/Rivendell is not marketing the San Marcos at all, much less marketing it towards the mainstream racing bike customer. Merry Sales and Soma aren't even 'marketing' the San Marcos, and it's their bike. Grant 'specifically' said that those folks who did buy a $6000 road bike should have bought a bike like the San Marcos. Somebody with as much experience reading Grant's postings as you do know what Grant means by that. He means that folks who buy plastic 16lb bikes should be buying 20lb steel bikes. That's a lot different than saying Hey, you bike shoppers! After you test ride that Cervelo and that Madone, come check out this undertube! That would be ridiculous, but that's not what Grant said, that's what you said. Merry Sales paid Grant for a design. Grant supplied one. None of the prototype photos have the second TT, so I suspect Merry Sales/Soma made the decision to add it. There's no way Grant called Merry Sales and said I've done the calculations and the bigger two sizes MUST have a 2TT! I'd bet a dollar that it's a fashion-driven decision, and the tiny production run makes it sound like a loss-leader, which bums me out on several levels besides the lousy idea of a 2TT on a road bike. good luck! Me, I love the 2TT on my parallel Bombadil, and I'm glad my 56cm Hillborne doesn't have one. On Apr 17, 9:53 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room.It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
I'd ride one. I wonder if a 59 or a 63 would fit me better. Unfortunately, probably not in the cards for me financially anytime soon. Although maybe i can do a frame on layaway. On Apr 17, 7:13 am, Eric Daume ericda...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't seen any mention of the Soma/Amos update on the Riv page: http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/349 I was disappointed to hear this about the second top tube: *It is an expanded frame, meaning the top tube slopes up 6-degrees to assure good comfy highish handlebars even if you buy a bit too small. The first three sizes coming---by late May, we're told, but we are out of that loop---will be 54, 59, and 63. The two bigger have an undertube (second top tube), and the 54 won't. The other sizes are 47 and 51, and they'll come later and will fit 650B wheels.* I've been kind of debating this bike vs. the Rawland Nordavinden (if that one ever happens...), but, I'm sorry, I find this whole second top tube thing just silly, especially on a sporty road bike. No thanks. Eric Dublin, OH -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
The double top tube is becoming a rivendell signature. I prefer the cream head tube. On Apr 17, 11:10 am, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Nailed it. On 4/17/11, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: bfd I think you are taking your point a little far. Grant/Rivendell is not marketing the San Marcos at all, much less marketing it towards the mainstream racing bike customer. Merry Sales and Soma aren't even 'marketing' the San Marcos, and it's their bike. Grant 'specifically' said that those folks who did buy a $6000 road bike should have bought a bike like the San Marcos. Somebody with as much experience reading Grant's postings as you do know what Grant means by that. He means that folks who buy plastic 16lb bikes should be buying 20lb steel bikes. That's a lot different than saying Hey, you bike shoppers! After you test ride that Cervelo and that Madone, come check out this undertube! That would be ridiculous, but that's not what Grant said, that's what you said. Merry Sales paid Grant for a design. Grant supplied one. None of the prototype photos have the second TT, so I suspect Merry Sales/Soma made the decision to add it. There's no way Grant called Merry Sales and said I've done the calculations and the bigger two sizes MUST have a 2TT! I'd bet a dollar that it's a fashion-driven decision, and the tiny production run makes it sound like a loss-leader, which bums me out on several levels besides the lousy idea of a 2TT on a road bike. good luck! Me, I love the 2TT on my parallel Bombadil, and I'm glad my 56cm Hillborne doesn't have one. On Apr 17, 9:53 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room. It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?
I'd be slow to damn all freewheels because of this. The ird ones have a bad rep. And it's too bad it is still happening ihqve one and still seeing these reports are making me nervous. On Apr 16, 11:06 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Sat, 2011-04-16 at 07:29 -0700, Mike wrote: I picked up the rando frame yesterday and it's beautiful... unfortunately I decided to use the new VO high flange hubs for the wheels. The hubs are actually fine, what's not fine is the damned IRD 6spd FW. Already the thing is giving me grief! It's not immediately engaging always. At one point it was even freewheeling in both directions. No good. And this doesn't instill confidence for me. I agree. Certainly not something you would want on a dedicated randonneuring frame! IMHO the case for freewheels is getting increasingly harder to make. The best ones are all long gone. Some excellent discussion of freewheels in a recent Velo Orange Blog entry:http://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2011/04/freewheel-testing.html Tom's comment in that discussion is especially appropriate in this context: Shimano hasn't made freewheels in Japan in almost 25 years. The current tourney 5 speed freewheels are made in china. The tourney 7sp are made in Singapore. Been that way since the 80s. The average lifespan of a cheapo bike with a freewheel is around 122 miles of usage. Shimano produces their freewheels and other low end components to last 10 times that distance. The low end tourney freewheels are not dura ace level by any stretch and should not be compared to such. After all, what is 1,220 miles in the life of a randonneuring frame? That's less than a month's service, most likely. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WTB: Nitto Technomic 8cm and/or Nitto Dirt Drop 10cm
I have both. Email me offline. Pretty much brand new as I only used them when trying to improve my bike fit. May have some marks from trying different heights. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Apr 16, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Christian christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone I'm looking for one or both of the above. Thanks Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 11 for 9 stem trade
I'd like to trade my 11cm/26.0 Technomic Deluxe for a 9cm/26.0cm Technomic or Dynamic. Anyone interested? -nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 11 for 9 stem trade
Nathan, Yes. I have a 9 cm Technomic Deluxe. I never use it. I could use an 11 cm. -James Warren Southern California On Apr 17, 2011, at 1:10 PM, nathan spindel wrote: I'd like to trade my 11cm/26.0 Technomic Deluxe for a 9cm/26.0cm Technomic or Dynamic. Anyone interested? -nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Follow up re WTB: 58 cm Rambouillet
Just out of curiosity - is the canti-Rom the same as the regular-Rom except for cantis? On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tim, I have a 59 Romulus frame for sale if you have any interest. Ive read that its the same exact fram as the Ram, just different paint. Thanks, -Mike They are similar, but not exactly the same. Here's a chart with most of the differences: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20040225124308/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_romulus_16.html Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: How are those winter projects coming?
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 11:48 -0700, Minh wrote: I'd be slow to damn all freewheels because of this. The ird ones have a bad rep. And it's too bad it is still happening ihqve one and still seeing these reports are making me nervous. No, there /used to be/ many absolutely wonderful freewheels. Shimano Dura Ace. Sun Tour New Winner. They were fantastic. But, alas, they are gone and we shall not see their like again. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 11:40 -0700, rob markwardt wrote: The double top tube is becoming a rivendell signature. I prefer the cream head tube. +1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Follow up re WTB: 58 cm Rambouillet
That was the word directly from the source at the time the canti-Rom came out. It was the result of a miscommunication between Rivendell and Toyo, and Grant foresaw that the mistake would end up being a really nice frame, so he decided to follow through on the order, ending up with a frame that is the Rom in all ways except for brake style. The canti brake allows for easier big tires and fenders, and as a result, many argue that the canti-Rom ended up being one of the top Rivendells ever. I think it is so cool that it exists and is a rare breed. Others have since come along to match its function. -Jim W. On Apr 17, 2011, at 1:30 PM, andrew hill wrote: Just out of curiosity - is the canti-Rom the same as the regular-Rom except for cantis? On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Jason Hartman wrote: On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Tim, I have a 59 Romulus frame for sale if you have any interest. Ive read that its the same exact fram as the Ram, just different paint. Thanks, -Mike They are similar, but not exactly the same. Here's a chart with most of the differences: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20040225124308/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_romulus_16.html Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
I was disappointed by the undertube as well, especially on a bike identified as road-only. Philip Philip Williamson www.biketinker.com On Apr 17, 10:47 am, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: It's basically a roady frame, not a country bike, not a touring bike, just a really nice and versatile road frame kind of the way the Rambouillet was, and the Roadeo would be if it were a hair heavier and had rack mounts. A ROAD bike with clearance for tires up to 33mm with fenders, or 35mm without. The kind of bike you'd get for road riding, club rides, charitable centuries, and occasional careful smooth fire roading. The kind of bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames should've gotten instead, but they don't think so. And this bike needs a second top tube?... that's nuts. It's a road bike, not an off-road bike. It simply doesn't need a second top tube in large sizes. Look at the tens of thousands of large steel road bikes out there; do any have double top tubes? Look at the Rambouillet. And are these bikes prone to collapsing like a deck of cards for the lack of a second top tube?... of course not! Are they so flexy that they're unstable? Ask any of the RBW or iBOB readers who ride larger (60cm +) steel road bikes. The second top tube idea is just silly and will keep many from buying this bike. Hey let's add some extra weight to the bike without any reasonable benefit and see if people will buy it? Yeah, these will just fly off the showroom floor! On Apr 17, 9:53 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room. It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update
OTOH, I love the look of the diagatube and would ride it on a road bike any day. From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update I was disappointed by the undertube as well, especially on a bike identified as road-only. Philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update
And for me, I lurv the double TT on the Bombadil and larger Hilsens, but don't like the diagnatube of the Hunqapillar. But either on a road bike seem overkill. Luckily we can vote with our wallets and get a Roadeo, or a Hilsen or an Atlantis :-) On 4/17/11, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: OTOH, I love the look of the diagatube and would ride it on a road bike any day. From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update I was disappointed by the undertube as well, especially on a bike identified as road-only. Philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
not to beat a dead horse... but the double top tube road bike is just plain marketing schtick, nothing else. For me I would have bought a Hunquapillar if the 54 had the diagonal tube. I think that is a classic look and make sense for a camping/ rough stuff bike. ~Mike On Apr 17, 4:42 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: And for me, I lurv the double TT on the Bombadil and larger Hilsens, but don't like the diagnatube of the Hunqapillar. But either on a road bike seem overkill. Luckily we can vote with our wallets and get a Roadeo, or a Hilsen or an Atlantis :-) On 4/17/11, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: OTOH, I love the look of the diagatube and would ride it on a road bike any day. From: Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update I was disappointed by the undertube as well, especially on a bike identified as road-only. Philip -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Venturing Crew Monument Peak to Mission Peak Ride!
For those that don't know I mentor a co-ed Boy Scout Troop at the school that I work called Venturing Crew #999. One of my greatest perks in my life is the ability to share both my love for biking and my love of teaching in one rolled up bunch. Last Friday crew #999 conquered two mountains by bike in anticipation for their trip around the Bay Area. Last Friday right after school five ambitious venturers try to climb Monument Peak. Climbing up Monument Peak proved much more than any of us could handle. The 3 miles in 2000 feet of elevation seemed easier on paper. All the hard work and sweat couldn't damper the views of the sun setting on the climb up. We finally get up to Mission Peak and we were greeted with the amazing views of the city lights. The amazing lights was on par with the screaming decent down with only the moon lighting the road ahead of us. The decent down was on par with the after ride food, which consisted only the healthiest food, microwave chicken pot pie, chicken noodle soup and left over ice cream cake! It's great having to share these experience with my students. Seeing them push themselves to their limits and realize that like biking, life has it's ups and downs. Everyone has to pay their dues, but you can always look forward to the decent down. (Even if you can't see the road ahead of you!) Two sets of pictures proved it happen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626513325670/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626514040100/ - Manny I'm pretty sure it levels out... Acosta P.S. Biked to the shop with the lady friend yesterday. Camera dueling, slingshot making, earthquake dips. You know bike stuff. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626520251740/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Follow up re WTB: 58 cm Rambouillet
Hi Chris, Jason linked to the waybackmachine which is like an archive for old internet websites, that's what the riv site looked like back when this information was posted. On Apr 17, 6:14 pm, numbnuts campredd...@charter.net wrote: Now how is it that I have been all thru the Riv website, and specifically looked for this info, and I didn't find this page? Am I right that these are archived elsewhere, and not referenced on Riv's site? Is there a secret handshake? All the best, Chris Redding, Ca. They are similar, but not exactly the same. Here's a chart with most of the differences: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20040225124308/http://rivbike.com/ht... Jay Hartman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Downhill Leg
Agree. It's good. Didn't sign up for the 30 days, although am trying to hold to it. Just to see. This can be a tough month for riding. Should be doable. As long as the forecasts are wrong and we don't get 9 inches of snow this week. (Yes, snow. In Minnesota. In April.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 17, 12:27 am, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: Biking is good, and even though we all find a myriad of ways to slice and dice, dissect and intellectualize it, the act of riding seems to always pay back such glorious dividends. Good stuff Jim. Going to quote you on that. -Manny On Apr 16, 9:39 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Been doing the 30 Days of Biking challenge this month (30daysofbiking.com), and the miles have been exclusively Rivendell so far - split between the Hilsen and Quickbeam. Since yesterday's ride was 15 for 15, today's ride means there is now fewer than before. This act appealed to me for its simplicity - no logs to fill out, no big specific mileage commitment - just the idea that for the 30 days of April, I'd ride some distance every day, even if it was just around the block. Last month, like a lot of folks in this region, I got crushed by a nasty flu that had me off the bike for three weeks and pretty weak for a couple more. It got me thinking a bit, making me realize how easy it can be sometimes to take for granted the wonderous act of spinning a pedal, even if it's a wind-assisted roll at a lazy pace. Sometimes I've raced, sometimes I've aimed for a long distance number, sometimes I've loafed along and enjoyed the sun, hunkered down and cursed the wind or just tried to hang on until momentum rejoined me. But, they all now are memories which I appreciate and even relish. Biking is good, and even though we all find a myriad of ways to slice and dice, dissect and intellectualize it, the act of riding seems to always pay back such glorious dividends. Gonna have to roll out short today - ended up with a chunk more on the weekend task list than I'd planned, but the hum of the tires and the action of the legs will sustain me after I've returned. And a big thanks to Harry H, whose post reminded me to do this. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read -http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar-I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] trade: nitto technomic deluxe stem
anyone want to trade stems? I have a Nitto Technomic Deluxe in 80mm length / 26.0mm clamp. Excellent, new-ish condition. Looking for a 90mm or 100mm of the same stem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
If I was to get carried away, I'd probably start to gush about how I never thought I'd be introducing myself as a new owner on the RBW Owners Bunch. But I'll try not to do that. I was doing quite a bit of road riding between '95 and '02, including some centuries and metrics. Quite a bit for me anyway, considering working full time, raising a family and being a generally out-of-shape boomer. For various reasons which I won't bore you with, I took a break from riding for several years, until last Fall. I'm still not sure I'll be able to recover even a part of my conditioning, but I was (and am) determined to try. Along with starting to ride again, I got into the bicycle culture by reading various forums, blogs and makers websites, including RBW's. I had been aware of Grant and his company, philosophy and bikes for some time. I never considered that I might have a Rivendell for at least a couple of reasons: cost and the fact that I was enamored of titanium and light bikes. My last (other) bike is a Performance titanium that I eventually had custom painted. It's very nice, and part of me thinks I'm crazy for retiring it. However. I REALLY fell for Rivs, and the Sam Hillborne in particular. The more I read, the more I wanted one. I never got to ride one, and saw only a single bike built up, and very briefly. But I was sure that that design would be a better bike for me. I'm short, and the 650b wheels, low BB and Riv geometry would, I was sure make for a more comfortable and confidence-inspiring ride. I have never been a confident bike- handler. At the time I finally discussed this with my wife, the Sam frames in my size were $1250. Bless her, she said go ahead if it was what I wanted. I wasn't ready then (last Fall), or even early this year, when the Sam price increased to $1400. I was determined to get some Spring riding in on my Ti bike and make sure that I was committed enough to deserve this new bike. I would need the frame/fork, wheels, and not too much else as I could transfer most parts from my Ti bike. Of course I also watched eBay. I almost bid on a Ram, but I was still not ready, so I didn't. In February (I think) I saw a Bleriot come up, in my size (51). I had to do some research on the Bleriot as I was not familiar with it, and I found that it was similar to the current Sams and had 650b wheels. The bids at the time were low, and I decided to go for it. Also, I had gotten a bonus at work which would finance the whole thing. By the time bidding was over, deep pockets (and cunning bidding on my part ; ) won the day and ended up winning the Bleriot. We won't dwell on the fact that I paid more than they originally sold for. But it was considerably less than $1400. The frame was advertised as nearly new, nearly flawless, with fewer than 10 miles on it. that seems to be the case. I can find one area that has been touched up very well, and it doesn't bother me a bit. It's a beautiful frame. I have built it up as a roadish country bike: Shimano 8 speed STI shifters and derailleurs; Sugino Alpina compact double crank; Brooks B17 Honey saddle, Velo Orange Diagonale/105 650b wheels; Nifty Swifty tires; Tektro 556 sidepull brakes; Performance drop bars (the ones I am used to and that I like). From my very short mileage on it so far, I love the ride. It seems to do what I hoped the Sam would do as far as feel and confidence. I need better weather to get out and assess both my current state of health, and the bikes characteristics. I have to be honest and say that my only quibbles with bike concern the graphics. They seem a bit over the top and camp to me. I could easily do without Louis and his mustache on the seat tube. But I know that he has his fans here. I'd be curious to hear others' thoughts. It wasn't until I registered the bike with my county (yes, I'm paranoid) that I realized that to most people looking at it, it's a Bleriot period. You have to look very hard to see any mention of Rivendell. I now realize that most Rivs are that way unless they are customs. I would be very happy if the downtube said, Rivendell but that is not meant to be. Anyway, that is very trivial. I like the look of the frame a lot, and appreciate that it has a cream head tube, a feature that was eliminated from the Sams.Hope this is not too long and that I have not ruffled too many feathers. Cheers, Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AMOS update
What no one is talking about yet is how it will be built out, component-wise. Sure, some will go the full-Riv route - Nitto noodles, bar-end shifters, Sugino triple, B17 saddle, etc., at least those who read this list and buy it frame-only from Riv if it's sold that way. I can see many shops who sell it as a Soma will do so with a full Shimano 105 build, or maybe a SRAM Apex build, and that many of the buyers will not know who Grant Petersen is, think Bridgestone has only and always made car tires, and think Rivendell is some fantasy kingdom of sorts. If the double top tube turns out to be a dud, Soma will drop it in a heartbeat and go with singles. Maybe change the color a little or a lot too. Wait and see. On Apr 17, 1:47 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote: It's basically a roady frame, not a country bike, not a touring bike, just a really nice and versatile road frame kind of the way the Rambouillet was, and the Roadeo would be if it were a hair heavier and had rack mounts. A ROAD bike with clearance for tires up to 33mm with fenders, or 35mm without. The kind of bike you'd get for road riding, club rides, charitable centuries, and occasional careful smooth fire roading. The kind of bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames should've gotten instead, but they don't think so. And this bike needs a second top tube?... that's nuts. It's a road bike, not an off-road bike. It simply doesn't need a second top tube in large sizes. Look at the tens of thousands of large steel road bikes out there; do any have double top tubes? Look at the Rambouillet. And are these bikes prone to collapsing like a deck of cards for the lack of a second top tube?... of course not! Are they so flexy that they're unstable? Ask any of the RBW or iBOB readers who ride larger (60cm +) steel road bikes. The second top tube idea is just silly and will keep many from buying this bike. Hey let's add some extra weight to the bike without any reasonable benefit and see if people will buy it? Yeah, these will just fly off the showroom floor! On Apr 17, 9:53 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 17, 9:09 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there is no accounting for taste, because I have always dug the second top-tube (I prefer the name 'innertube' to 'undertube', but i digress) ever since the bombadil came out, although I agree it probably works better on a mountain/all-purpose bike. I was also drawn to the plain-gauge tubing. I still like the bombadil's concept, even though now it is changed, but the original parallel second tube is hard to beat in my book. I agree in part. There are many, like yourself, who like the double top tube look. That's great and with only 15 framesets per size, it should easily sell. However, Grant is not marketing to you or those who like it. Instead, he specifically said the frame is aimed at bike guys who buy $6,000 carbon frames. That's ridiculous. People in the market for $6K carbon bikes are not looking at either 650b or double top tubes. The only way either of those things get popular with the $6K carbon crowd is if someone in the Tour de Frances wins on one. Now THAT will get people's attention and sell these kind of bikes. Of course, its not going to happen FWIW, I was in Harris Cyclery the yesterday, and they have a 58cm Hunqapillar built-up in the show room. It has the gray/red paint job. All I can say is, pictures don't do that bike justice. I haven't seen one of those yet and I live in San Francisco! I'm sure there's a few around as I do see alot of Riv bikes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Follow up re WTB: 58 cm Rambouillet
They are similar, but not exactly the same. Here's a chart with most of the differences: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20040225124308/http://rivbike.com/html/bike s_romulus_16.html There are also some specific discussions on the Romulus page here - http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/ - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar - I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Welcome to the bunch! As another budget Bleriot owner, I commend you on your find. We are a rare and interesting breed us riot riders. All other Bleriot owners I've know share the same story. Second owners or third owners from the original buyers. All coming from some road background.Lucky to even own a Rivendell bike. I can't fantom my bike without Mr. Mustache, I feel that the decals for the Bleriot in particular are by far one of my favorite from Rivendell. Be sure to join the flickr group and add yours to the group. Congrats again -Manny http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html http://www.flickr.com/groups/bleriot/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike to Work Month
30 out of 120 people. That's really good. I'm lucky if I can get a team of 10 out of the 500-600 that I work with. Fenders ARE nice. On Apr 15, 11:29 pm, Brian Hanson stone...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in - probably captaining one of our company teams. We usually get a fourth of the folks in the office to ride in regularly (30 out of 120). Not bad for a typically rainy month, right? Fenders are nice... Brian On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.netwrote: Any Riv riders in the Seattle area participating in Bike to Work Month? http://commutechallenge.cascade.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Bike to Work Month
I'm already seeing A LOT more cyclists on the road. It's funny I always find bicycle lights laying in the road in May. Anyone wants to follow our team it's called The Handlebarbarians. On Apr 16, 7:50 am, Steve D. s_dem...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep. I've been commuting to the office on my Atlantis in Bell Town since late January, but have been looking forward to BtW month for a while now. There are a few people in my group who ride in on a daily basis as well. For now, I signed up as a solo rider. Hoping to see a good turn-out this year. It'll be fun to be riding the rode with more cyclists. -Steve Bryant neighborhood above U-Village On Apr 15, 11:24 pm, Benedikt neutralbuoya...@comcast.net wrote: Any Riv riders in the Seattle area participating in Bike to Work Month?http://commutechallenge.cascade.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AMOS update
on 4/17/11 11:25 AM, Jeremy Till at jeremy.t...@gmail.com wrote: I'd ride one. I wonder if a 59 or a 63 would fit me better. Yeah, I'm actually a bit curious as to how the specific sizing on this bicycle will turn out. I've ridden one, and it was a pretty spritely little beast. http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=431 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/4468312567/ It was a 54(55?), and I'm ~5'11, riding a 58 Quickbeam and a 59 Hilsen. It was a touch small feeling when I first got on it, but worked OK. I'd probably want to try both. As far as the second top tube...man, that feature does seem to divide folks into camps... ;^) There's no appreciable difference in weight, IMO. If you've ever hefted a light tapered tube, you'll know what I mean. And, since the frame _is_ built with lighter tubing and higher clearances (certainly more than the Ramboulliet, which got cited as not needing a 2TT), maybe it does make a difference when the triangles get big and stresses accumulate. I'll reserve judgement until I ride one of them. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar - I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Thanks for sharing the story, Steve, and welcome to the bunch. As far as your feelings about the graphisc well, I think everyone on the list is known to have opinions. The caveat here is to respect others' points of view as well. Please feel free to link to photos* so we can enjoy it visually as well. - Jim *List tenet is to provide links to posted images, rather than send them to the entire membership. -- Jim Edgar / list admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar - I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Todays ride
I know folks are tired of me talking about my biking experiance but all I can say anymore is wow. Nice 40ish mile ride today on road with paved trails, single track, mud, tree roots, rocks you name it.. smooth pavement .. head winds, tail winds, just a great time. I don't know how fast I went and don't care. The wool undies, columbia shorts, and shirt combo was great with some older hiking sandles. Recommendation: Try to use rivits or find some ohter way to attach mudflaps to fenders. the nuts on the inside collected mud and made noise. 30 seconds with a small stick and all was quiet again for the road. Here are some photos.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157626520888238/ Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Welcome to the group. Can't wait to see the bike. Kelly Oh don't worry about feathers.. I've ruffled a few and they haven't voided me yet. yet may be the key word... lol -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Hey there Steve, I sincerely hope your Bleriot is all you hoped for! My ex-Bleriot was one of my favorite bikes. I shouldn't have sold it, but a fancy new Rivendell caught my eye... or so the story goes. I think Bleriots were the best deal in Rivendell bikes for a long time. Prior to that it was the Romulus. Great that you got one. It should be the perfect compliment to a Ti go-fast bike. Hopefully you can keep both, horses for courses and all that. On 4/17/11, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks for sharing the story, Steve, and welcome to the bunch. As far as your feelings about the graphisc well, I think everyone on the list is known to have opinions. The caveat here is to respect others' points of view as well. Please feel free to link to photos* so we can enjoy it visually as well. - Jim *List tenet is to provide links to posted images, rather than send them to the entire membership. -- Jim Edgar / list admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar - I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Todays ride
What's funny is that before I clicked on to your post, I said to myself, Oh good Kelly posted. He always has something interesting to say with great pics. And as usual I was right. Thanks for posting Kelly. I always enjoy your ride commentary and pics. That's a huge bag. What brand is it? Ness On Apr 17, 7:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I know folks are tired of me talking about my biking experiance but all I can say anymore is wow. Nice 40ish mile ride today on road with paved trails, single track, mud, tree roots, rocks you name it.. smooth pavement .. head winds, tail winds, just a great time. I don't know how fast I went and don't care. The wool undies, columbia shorts, and shirt combo was great with some older hiking sandles. Recommendation: Try to use rivits or find some ohter way to attach mudflaps to fenders. the nuts on the inside collected mud and made noise. 30 seconds with a small stick and all was quiet again for the road. Here are some photos.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157626520888238/ Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Where are the pics?!!! On Apr 17, 8:19 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: Hey there Steve, I sincerely hope your Bleriot is all you hoped for! My ex-Bleriot was one of my favorite bikes. I shouldn't have sold it, but a fancy new Rivendell caught my eye... or so the story goes. I think Bleriots were the best deal in Rivendell bikes for a long time. Prior to that it was the Romulus. Great that you got one. It should be the perfect compliment to a Ti go-fast bike. Hopefully you can keep both, horses for courses and all that. On 4/17/11, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: Thanks for sharing the story, Steve, and welcome to the bunch. As far as your feelings about the graphisc well, I think everyone on the list is known to have opinions. The caveat here is to respect others' points of view as well. Please feel free to link to photos* so we can enjoy it visually as well. - Jim *List tenet is to provide links to posted images, rather than send them to the entire membership. -- Jim Edgar / list admin cyclofi...@earthlink.net Could you take a moment to vote for me? I am entered in a audiobook contest which is initially determined by public voting - if you could go here - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar register on the Bookperk site and vote for my read - http://tinyurl.com/vote-jimedgar- I'd really appreciate it. You can vote one time each day until early May. Vote early, vote often! Thanks! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Welcome to the group, Steve. It's a good bunch of resourceful folks. I am also a proud and happy Blerioteer. I purchased mine from another list member last year. (I buy a lot of things from members of this list.) I already had three 700c Riv's -- including the aforementioned canti-Romulus -- but was really curious about the much-ballyhooed 650B wheel size thing. I must admit that I am very pleasantly impressed with the wheel size and the Bleriot, although I did suffer an extended pedal-strike learning curve as I struggled to stop pedaling through moderately leaning turns. Anway, the Bleriot came to me with drop bars and bar-cons that I switched out for Albatross bars and a set of old SunTour stem shifters. A few months after that, I switched over to a set of Jitensha flat bars, and like the set up quite a bit. I also put on a set on Fatty Rumpkin tires that I ride slightly under-inflated. It's a great ride on city streets and park gravel paths. Last January, I crashed and broke my collar bone. It had to be plated/screwed back together, and it kept me off all bicycles for a couple of months. When I did dare to hop back on, I chose to ride only the Bleriot. I picked it for it's cush ride, fat tires, upright seating posture, and stem shifters. I've been riding it everyday for about a month, and I commute to the office on it nearly everyday. After the crash, I developed a real paranoia about riding the skinnier wheeled bikes. It's completely irrational, because the cause of my crash was speed, not dropping into an asphalt crevice or off a road shoulder, and spilling to the roadway. (You should see me traverse streetcar tracks these days! Makes me feel really old.) Nonetheless, I just feel much safer on the Fatty Rumpkins for some reason. I'm working on breaking that fear. But, until I regain my riding sense, the Bleriot has really fit the bill. Oh, I like the graphics. From: islaysteve alkire...@verizon.net To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:12 PM Subject: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts If I was to get carried away, I'd probably start to gush about how I never thought I'd be introducing myself as a new owner on the RBW Owners Bunch. But I'll try not to do that. I was doing quite a bit of road riding between '95 and '02, including some centuries and metrics. Quite a bit for me anyway, considering working full time, raising a family and being a generally out-of-shape boomer. For various reasons which I won't bore you with, I took a break from riding for several years, until last Fall. I'm still not sure I'll be able to recover even a part of my conditioning, but I was (and am) determined to try. Along with starting to ride again, I got into the bicycle culture by reading various forums, blogs and makers websites, including RBW's. I had been aware of Grant and his company, philosophy and bikes for some time. I never considered that I might have a Rivendell for at least a couple of reasons: cost and the fact that I was enamored of titanium and light bikes. My last (other) bike is a Performance titanium that I eventually had custom painted. It's very nice, and part of me thinks I'm crazy for retiring it. However. I REALLY fell for Rivs, and the Sam Hillborne in particular. The more I read, the more I wanted one. I never got to ride one, and saw only a single bike built up, and very briefly. But I was sure that that design would be a better bike for me. I'm short, and the 650b wheels, low BB and Riv geometry would, I was sure make for a more comfortable and confidence-inspiring ride. I have never been a confident bike- handler. At the time I finally discussed this with my wife, the Sam frames in my size were $1250. Bless her, she said go ahead if it was what I wanted. I wasn't ready then (last Fall), or even early this year, when the Sam price increased to $1400. I was determined to get some Spring riding in on my Ti bike and make sure that I was committed enough to deserve this new bike. I would need the frame/fork, wheels, and not too much else as I could transfer most parts from my Ti bike. Of course I also watched eBay. I almost bid on a Ram, but I was still not ready, so I didn't. In February (I think) I saw a Bleriot come up, in my size (51). I had to do some research on the Bleriot as I was not familiar with it, and I found that it was similar to the current Sams and had 650b wheels. The bids at the time were low, and I decided to go for it. Also, I had gotten a bonus at work which would finance the whole thing. By the time bidding was over, deep pockets (and cunning bidding on my part ; ) won the day and ended up winning the Bleriot. We won't dwell on the fact that I paid more than they originally sold for. But it was considerably less than $1400. The frame was advertised as nearly new, nearly flawless, with fewer than 10 miles on
[RBW] Re: Venturing Crew Monument Peak to Mission Peak Ride!
That looks like a ride to remember. On Apr 17, 5:11 pm, manueljohnacosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: For those that don't know I mentor a co-ed Boy Scout Troop at the school that I work called Venturing Crew #999. One of my greatest perks in my life is the ability to share both my love for biking and my love of teaching in one rolled up bunch. Last Friday crew #999 conquered two mountains by bike in anticipation for their trip around the Bay Area. Last Friday right after school five ambitious venturers try to climb Monument Peak. Climbing up Monument Peak proved much more than any of us could handle. The 3 miles in 2000 feet of elevation seemed easier on paper. All the hard work and sweat couldn't damper the views of the sun setting on the climb up. We finally get up to Mission Peak and we were greeted with the amazing views of the city lights. The amazing lights was on par with the screaming decent down with only the moon lighting the road ahead of us. The decent down was on par with the after ride food, which consisted only the healthiest food, microwave chicken pot pie, chicken noodle soup and left over ice cream cake! It's great having to share these experience with my students. Seeing them push themselves to their limits and realize that like biking, life has it's ups and downs. Everyone has to pay their dues, but you can always look forward to the decent down. (Even if you can't see the road ahead of you!) Two sets of pictures proved it happen: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626513325670/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626514040100/ - Manny I'm pretty sure it levels out... Acosta P.S. Biked to the shop with the lady friend yesterday. Camera dueling, slingshot making, earthquake dips. You know bike stuff. http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626520251740/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] New Bleriot Owner; intro and some thoughts
Ooh, nice desilencing of the t. On Apr 17, 2011, at 8:50 PM, Ray Shine wrote: I am also a proud and happy Blerioteer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Todays ride
Nigel Smythe Big Box bag that they don't make anymore. I'm really liking the large saddle sack bag though. I'm using it on my bombadil.. ' http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5614851327/in/photostream They both seem to work equaly well with differences... Kelly grrlyrida wrote: What's funny is that before I clicked on to your post, I said to myself, Oh good Kelly posted. He always has something interesting to say with great pics. And as usual I was right. Thanks for posting Kelly. I always enjoy your ride commentary and pics. That's a huge bag. What brand is it? Ness On Apr 17, 7:04 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: I know folks are tired of me talking about my biking experiance but all I can say anymore is wow. Nice 40ish mile ride today on road with paved trails, single track, mud, tree roots, rocks you name it.. smooth pavement .. head winds, tail winds, just a great time. I don't know how fast I went and don't care. The wool undies, columbia shorts, and shirt combo was great with some older hiking sandles. Recommendation: Try to use rivits or find some ohter way to attach mudflaps to fenders. the nuts on the inside collected mud and made noise. 30 seconds with a small stick and all was quiet again for the road. Here are some photos.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157626520888238/ Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] IRD Defiant cranksets
I just tripped across these cranks on the interwebs, and don't know much about them. They sure look beautiful though! Cold forged, 110/74bcd, square taper... I'm not seeing any downside, although they may not work with widely spaced chain stays. No affilition, etc, just passing it on. They have a compact double as well! http://store.interlocracing.com/irddetotrcr.html -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] IRD Defiant cranksets
Sweet. Thanks for the link. On Apr 17, 2011, at 10:09 PM, cyclotourist wrote: I just tripped across these cranks on the interwebs, and don't know much about them. They sure look beautiful though! Cold forged, 110/74bcd, square taper... I'm not seeing any downside, although they may not work with widely spaced chain stays. No affilition, etc, just passing it on. They have a compact double as well! http://store.interlocracing.com/irddetotrcr.html -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
