Re: [RBW] Ergon pedals

[Robert F. Harrison]

I haven't put them on my Riv, but I've had them on my Bike Friday NWT for
about a year including an Oregon coast tour this past Spring. I like em.
They are nice and big and quite comfortable for me (size 12 shoes). I don't
slip off them much, better than most pedals.

I use Grip Kings on a couple of other bikes and like them too.

I'd buy another set for an appropriate bike.

Aloha,

Bob
On Jun 27, 2012 8:02 PM, "Jay in Tel Aviv"  wrote:

> Anybody try these pedals? I'm tired of getting my shins torn up by the
> metal ones.
>
> Jay
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[RBW] Ergon pedals

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Anybody try these pedals? I'm tired of getting my shins torn up by the
metal ones.

Jay

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[RBW] Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!

[The Cripler]

Ok. So here is the situation. I have been looking for an Atlantis for a 
while. Well I guess looking isn't the right word. Perhaps "dreaming" is a 
more appropriate descriptor. To be honest, I haven't really thought that an 
Atlantis was going to be in my price range at the current moment. Not 
without selling off a few of the bike I have, and as my wife has learned, 
selling off bikes isn't a strong point of mine. Anyway, now out of the blue 
I have stumbled upon an opportunity to purchase a complete Altantis 
forwait for it.$1000. Here are the specs:

Nitto Technomic Stem
Nitto Noodle handlebars with new tape
Front rim: Bontrager 36 spokes
Rear rim: Velocity Synergy 36 spokes 
Hubs: Phil Wood hubs 
Tires: Schwalbe Marathon Plus (basically new)
Sugino XD crankset
Phil Wood BB
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore XT 
Shimano Cantis (couldnt tell what model)
Saddle: Brooks premium leather 
SKS fenders

It seems like an amazing price. I have met the guy, he seems like a totally 
straight up person. Now here is the dilemma. First, the frame is a 58. I 
have a Surly LHT (which of course I'd sell...maybe) which is a 56cm. Fits 
me great. My PBH is 83.84, but lets call it 84. According to the sizing 
charts I've seen Rivendell would put me on a 56-58cm frame. But, this just 
seems big to me. I know this has been discussed countless time before, but 
I am really concerned that a 58  would be too big for me to ride 
comfortably. I took the bike on a test ride, and with the current stem and 
setup it definitely felt too large. But, I did have a fistful post showing 
with my legs extended - albeit barely. The other main issue with the bike 
is that both of the rear rack braze-ons have broken off. As the seller 
described it, one of the braze-ons was broken off when he purchased the 
bike, and the other broke off due to the undue stress on a cross country 
trip. I looked at the damage and it really doesn't seem to be an issue, or 
to be that diffucult to fix. I have a frame builder in town who would be 
able to make short work of it...although I'm not sure what it would cost. 
Finally, the paint has some wear. There are several chips. It actually 
looks way better than I thought it would considering the price. But, it 
does have "character". So given what I have laid out...am I an idiot for 
having second thoughts about jumping on this? If the bike didn't, do you 
think i would be able to get my money back if I had to sell it? Help a 
confused brother out here. Thanks All!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivish bike shop in New Haven CT?

[rb]

Some of the absolute best riding in the us is in nw ct (Salisbury, Lakeville) 
into SW Massachusetts (Sheffield , great barrington) and over into Columbia 
county ny. Dirt roads, great climbs, hidden valleys etc. 

Rob in SW Mass

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Re: [RBW] Indianapolis area riders

[Paul Mellen]

Atlantis
Yorktown IN

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Christopher Wiggins wrote:

> I posted this a month or so ago, but never saw it show up.  I was at a
> advocacy function in the Spring, and saw 4 Rivs.  Not used to seeing more
> than mine.  Any Indy area riders on this board?
>
> Best,
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Noodles or Albas

[3wheelin]

i used noodles for about a year on my Hilsen...you are right, they
were nice, but not quite "there'. I changed to Alba's about a month
ago...Things were different. I realized i was going slower, but in a
good way. I was stopping more and enjoying my ride better. I feel
comfortable and very "English", sitting up so high. You can grab the
alba's near the stem and feel forward in the wind...I probably wont go
back to the noodles, but then again...never say never...As far as
traffic, you will be more confident, and the view is terrific...Good
luck on the switch..

On Jun 27, 7:30 am, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:
> I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my
> Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but
> can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about
> giving Albas a try.
>
> If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love
> to hear from you before.
>
> Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in
> dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo.
>
> I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem
> that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I
> would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or
> tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot.
>
> Any used Albas out there looking for a home?
>
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: A nine day ride around

[Michael_S]

great photos and a great trip Ray. I really enjoyed them. 

I'm dying to do the SF to Ventura section this year. Just need some 
other interested riders..

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

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[RBW] A nine day ride around

[Way Rebb]

Hello,

I took a little vacation last week.  Spent nine days hike'n and bike'n
the California State Parks, meandering my way from Livermore down to
Big Sur and back up the coast.

The first day was rough: Livermore to Santa Cruz.  Blazingly hot by
the time I hit the hills outside of Los Gatos, fifty miles into the
ride (about 70 total).  Traffic on Old Santa Cruz Hwy was heavy
because Hwy 17 was stopped. I traveled most of the hills pushing the
bike to keep away from the RVs.   Almost ran out of water but a
fireman at a fire station let me fill my bottles at the outside faucet
and finally hit that great cooling descent down Soquel San Jose Road
about twelve hours after I started. Whew, I was beat but I made it.

The days after that were great.  Miles of bike paths toward Monterey,
zippy traffic on highway 1 around Moss Landing, back roads through
quiet strawberry fields outside of Watsonville; tough climbs and fast
descents in the hills approaching Big Sur; ferocious headwinds,
sidewinds, tailwinds; several why am I doing this moments but many
more I gotta do this again moments and on and on.

I was planning to go further south, maybe to Santa Barbara or
somewhere, but when I found out they allowed two nights of bike
camping at Big Sur I stayed and enjoyed the park. Pushed backed up the
coast with overnights at New Brighton, Half Moon Bay and, during the
trek around Devils Slide via the mystery road, I thought why stop now,
China Camp is just up the road!  Maybe I can get in one more night of
camping.  Quite an adventure to find China Camp since I'd never been
there.  Beautiful park!

Maybe it is to early in the touring season but I didn't see may others
out on the roads. I was the only one at New Brighton. I did see a mint
'83 Specialized Expedition loaded for a trip across the country.  He
bought the bike from a neighbor who bought it new but never used it.
I told him the bike waited all these years for him to take it on a
trip.

Hillborne handled the ride perfectly and I really got to know my
little chainring. I knew it was there never understood how useful it
was, big gear too…anyway…here are a few pictures.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wrebb/sets/72157630307669764/

Regards,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: Leonard Zinn Custom touring frame for a tall rider 68cm.

[Rambouilleting Utahn]

I can't tell from the pictures, canti or side pulls?

Also, you list it as a touring bike. Is the fork crown and brake bridge 
tapped for fenders?


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[RBW] touch up paint: riv custom road, light metallic blue?

[LF]

I'm looking for touch up paint for a Joe Bell paint light metallic blue Riv 
Road. IIRC this color was once described as something like "if we had a 
classic color, this would be it."   Any suggestions? Thanks, Larry

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[RBW] Grant's Nashville book signing.

[RJM]

http://letsgorideabike.com/blog/2012/06/an-afternoon-with-grant-petersen/
 
Here is a write-up of Grant's book signing that happened last Sunday in 
Nashville. Thought y'all would be interested.

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[RBW] Re: Leonard Zinn Custom touring frame for a tall rider 68cm.

[Ryan Ray]

Oh I didn't realize this was yours. Umm... bidding war away!

What's the tire clearance on this frame?
Tubing?
It looks like it has only one set of brazeons for both fender and rack in 
the back?

Thanks,
- Ryan

 

On Monday, June 25, 2012 7:29:39 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
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> End time: Jun 30, 2012 5:51:58 PM EDT
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> 68cm.
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[RBW] 68cm Ram near Seattle

[Ryan Ray]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/3105497010.html 

Wow. Pricey but a like-new 68cm Ram.

- Ryan


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[RBW] Re: BLUG: radio interview

[Tim]

The interview is still up on the website. I'm listening now. It is "Morning 
Magazine, Wednesday 6/27, 9:00am. Grant is on at around the 35 minute mark. 
Here is the link:


http://kgnu.org/shows.php

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[RBW] Re: Noodles or Albas

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Hi Jay, 

I believe you saw my related thread a few day back. A couple thoughts that 
might be worth while for you...

My Noodles were on a 7cm stem and Albas are on a 12cm stem. I probably 
could have gone with a 10 or 11 and been fine. Not that the 12 is too long 
but  I definitely don't want it longer. My intent was to sit more upright 
for city riding in traffic and what not. With the 12 I have the stem a 
couple cm above the saddle. With a shorter stem I'd probably be level with 
the saddle. If you already have the 10cm give it a try. 

As far as width... I've always ridden wide/upright bars. The 48cm Noodles 
felt narrow to me. When I've tried narrower road bars they feel way too 
narrow... like I may as well be holding the stem. I appreciate being back 
on a bar that feels "normal". As far as width in traffic... I ride 
defensively in traffic so don't even consider going places that are too 
narrow for my bars. If you like to split lanes and squeeze between cars 
downtown, Albas probably are not your bar. I prefer the slower + more 
deliberate handling of the Alba over the Noodle. 

Albas have 2 solid and unique hand positions and several variations in 
between. I don't feel like I'm wanting for hand positions on Albas. 

Alum vs Cromo... I have both and don't notice any real difference. Perhaps 
if you want to put magnets on your bars it'll matter. 

Unfortunately this is the kind of thing that you'll only really know if it 
works for you if you try it. 

My wife recently declared that she wants Albas on her commuter (an aluminum 
Kona hybrid that's slowly being Riv-ized), so even though I had a "spare" 
Alba bar laying on my bench for half a day, I ended up ordering another one.

Good luck. 

--Andy 


On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my 
> Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but 
> can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about 
> giving Albas a try. 
>
> If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love 
> to hear from you before. 
>
> Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in 
> dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo. 
>
> I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem 
> that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I 
> would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or 
> tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot. 
>
> Any used Albas out there looking for a home? 
>
> Jay 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: garage sale weekend

[Joe Bunik]

Classic parts and photos added, list updated...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157630317235604/detail/

Time to pay the piper. Went digging and came up with a pile that *someone*
should find appealing :-)

As always... speak up if a price is not right for you. Price sans
shipping, paypal **personal** please! And, thanks for the fiscal
bail-out! =- Joe Bunik, Walnut Creek, CA


FRENCH BAG!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155492/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155546/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155662/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155756/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155854/
$95  Mel Pinto handlebar bag. Undeniably French. Some wear^H^H^H^Hpatina!


CAMPY PARTS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155088/
$95 Campy misc small parts stash (2 DT shifters, 1 pre-CPSC
straight front q/r, 110mm 68-SSG bb spindle, 3 cable clips, 1 BB
guide, 5 chainring bolts (off-timeline), and 1 toothy brake washer!)


TINY FRAME!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456236026
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456235662
$35  Gitane Gran Sport 48cm tiny frame, gold metallic flake, dirty
and tape residue. Champion #1 / Tange Levin front fork replacement, so
22.2mm stems are go!


SADDLE!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456153560/
$35  Selle Italia Turbo / Bernard Hinault / BLACK / torn back edge


HEY RACERS?!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155162/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154964/
$75 Selle Italia Flite gel / Ti rails. RED. Some scuffs but no rips iirc.


THREADLESS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456156130/
$35Thompson Elite threadless 60mm stem / 25.4 / 90'
$20Origin8 threadless 110mm / 25.4 / +/-17'


GREAT FOR ALBA or BUBBE!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154846/
$25Ritchey (Nitto) 140mm / -17' / 26.0


CALLING ALL TREKS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155162/
$20Ritchey 27.0mm lng (300mm?) seatpost, minor scuffs and no
big trauma, logo partially worn


C'MON!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154592/
$25 Radius CX cantis, no pads


VINTAGE BRAKES!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154286/
$35  Universal centerpulls
$20  Universal 61 siingleton
$20  Universal Super 68 singleton


FRENCH SEATPOST!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456153784/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154054/
$30  Weyless seatpost, 25.0. Shaft is very marked and abraded,
even. Maybe could be sanded out?


MAFAC!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154186/
$25  Mafac Racers / Matthauser finned pads (show only! / pads are
done) / Gran Compe pulley straddles
$45  Mafac levers


GOLD BARS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456152748/
$15  Milremo gold anodized Maes bars, 38cm(? iirc) - unfortunately
scratched and also tape residue on sleeve


COOL RING!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456152558/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155336/
$85  5-pin 46t cycloid-pattern ring. COOL!


'NOTHER RING!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456235752/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456235974/
$20  3-arm Simplex adapters to 6-bolt 52x48 double


CRANKS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155272/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155210/
$75  Sugino Aero Mighty / 170mm / 52x42 / great


MO' CRANKS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456153054/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456152990/
$45  Sugino Mighty / 144bcd / 171mm / no rings / notable oxidation
to nds arm (polish out?), but no big traumas otherwise


REAR-DER!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456154402/
$35  Suntour Cyclone / short cage / red Bullseye pulleys **worn
teeth** but otherwise decent.


STEMS!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456153182/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456153396/
$25  Sakae Royal / 130mm / 25.4
$25  Sakae Royal / 90mm / 25.4


WHIR!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456155942/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/7456156044/
$30  Sanyo Dynaroller / clamps to chainstays (not for kickstand
plate), lever activated for rolling on rear tire.


TOECLIPS!
$20 MKS toe clips, a small stash of (3 or more pairs?) / some
leathered, some NJS, some rustier, some not


HOODS!
$10 Diacompe aero hoods / 2.5 pair iirc? / black / minor wear or
modifications (clipped tips)

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[RBW] Re: The Poster

[Mike On A Bike]

Beastmonster kickstand was my first suspicion wrt to the feet
conundrum. Glad the ridiculously sturdy built-in workstand aspect of
Rivendell bikes (including the two I own) was included in the art.

On Jun 27, 12:22 am, grant  wrote:
> Aha---here's a tiny but significant piece of the mysterie pie-thing: As we
> sat around eating a triple-birthday party Indian lunch today between phone
> calls, I mentioned the Feet Thing, and Keven pointed out that during the
> shoot, the bike was held vertical with a double-leg kickstand, and the
> balance point of it was such that the front wheel *was* off the ground. So,
> we reclaim points lost to the Realists, and we mellow slack-cutters win,
> too. Milo was indeed turning the wheel, as you would, too, if you were two
> and a half.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 6:04:52 PM UTC-7, Minh wrote:
>
> > I just got mine today and i think i'm in the camp with Rene, i think this
> > is going to grow on me.  the color and style was not what i expected
> > (having no DLG context), not bad, just different
>
> > And i have a framed print of the cycles gladiator poster that grant is
> > talking about (with the naked woman holding onto the handle-bars, only the
> > french!)
>
> > On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:28:30 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> >> LOL Grant!!! You got me looking and looking at the poster... right?
> >> Mission accomplished!
>
> >> The poster is getting framed with glass and a mat and will be hung in my
> >> office where I'll be able to look at it every day and change how I feel
> >> about it daily as well. Perhaps it will even be the centerpiece of a
> >> section of wall I'm planning to dedicate to my Rivendell bikes' photos.
> >> Currently I have two framed, the one I took on my first S24O to Mt. Diablo
> >> and the one of the Hunqapillar waiting for the train on a foggy January
> >> morning which I converted to B&W.
>
> >> Great stuff and great story!!!
>
> >> René AKA no poster child... :-)
>
> >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:44 AM, grant <> wrote:
>
> >>> The feet are the best part! Block out the feet and the image loses its
> >>> balance. Older bike posters had naked women holding handlebars and flying
> >>> through the cosmos---I can only imagine the Realist Uproar over that. But
> >>> Rene, you can't be sure that the bike wasn't suspended above the ground,
> >>> staged for the photo-shoot. In this photo, Keven was behind Milo, hands on
> >>> his waist. No children were harmed nor pout at risk during the photo
> >>> session. If you show up on a Tuesday (Milo's day here at Riv, every week)
> >>> and his feel are in a cast or bandagedpure coincidence, I swear!
> >>> G

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Re: [RBW] Re: CT riders

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Peter Morgano]

Dont forget to x-ray your frame for damage from over-torquing the bolts. :)

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:37 PM, William  wrote:

> I accidentally tightened the water bottle bolts a little too much, and it
> made the water taste funny.
>
>
> KIDDING!!!
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:34:47 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>>
>> What bolts or specs are you looking for?
>> The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would
>> be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And
>> that a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer
>> and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.
>>
>> Scott
>> Dayton, OH
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque
>>> specs?
>>> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no
>>> stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info.
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[William]

I accidentally tightened the water bottle bolts a little too much, and it 
made the water taste funny.


KIDDING!!!

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:34:47 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:
>
> What bolts or specs are you looking for?  
> The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be 
> a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that 
> a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and 
> should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.
>  
> Scott
> Dayton, OH
>
>  
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque 
>> specs?
>> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking 
>> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>>  
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Poster Haiku

[Leslie]

When I first read it, I thought you were saying that DLG had put the poster 
up on his site now...  took a second to back up and just appreciate it for 
what it was, and not trying to read into it... lol...



On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 3:28:37 PM UTC-4, Marty wrote:
>
> Cheers to D. L. Goines
> A lad and his wheel revealed
> Progressive delight!
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[RBW] BLUG: radio interview

[Leslie]

This morning, awaiting my carpool partner, I was hit the BLUG page, and 
noticed the update about the radio interview via Boulder.

My office has a no-internet-radio policy (afraid of bandwidth loss);  but I 
followed the link from the BLUG on my phone, downloaded the app, and set a 
reminder on my calendar.

At 10:30 (east-coast time), I fired up the app and found the station.   I 
have a 'real' radio on my office's window sill (a small SW radio), that I 
have an extra set of computer speakers plugged into;  I cut that radio off, 
plugged the jack into my phone, and got to listen to Grant's interview 
while I worked...

I thought it was a good interview, very much along the Just Ride subjects, 
of course.The interviewer was talking about compromises, Grant was 
saying the nice thing about Riv was he didn't have to, but that's when the 
interviewer started to focus on weight (as if fenders would be too much 
weight), so Grant knocked it out of the park on 'engine weight' and 
'justifiable' weight (return on investment on a touch of weight gain to 
make it SO much more usable).

Well said, Grant...

-L



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[RBW] Poster Haiku

[Marty]

Cheers to D. L. Goines
A lad and his wheel revealed
Progressive delight!

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[RBW] Re: Leonard Zinn Custom touring frame for a tall rider 68cm.

[Ryan Ray]

Anyone here bidding on this? As a 6'6" rider this is pretty dreamy if the 
price stays down. I won't get in a bidding war with anyone on this list 
though.

- Ryan



On Monday, June 25, 2012 7:29:39 PM UTC-7, z-man wrote:
>
>
> End time: Jun 30, 2012 5:51:58 PM EDT
>
>
> View item:
> Leonard Zinn Custom touring frame for a tall rider 
> 68cm.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[James Warren]

I love working on my own bike, but we have such a good mechanic at the local 
bike shop that I will bring it to him, because I like supporting him. (That 
combined with being overwhelmed in my personal or work life.)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery  
wrote:

> Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just 
> something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. 
> That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an 
> amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and 
> tools, I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in 
> any large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced 
> mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's 
> compatible with our bikes and personalities. 
> 
> As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not 
> do home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and 
> better to find an experienced person to do it for me.
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[RBW] Re: nice kids' bikes

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

I'd've considered the Rambler if I'd stumbled across it. I don't know that 
I'd've gone for it; it is pricier than the one we bought and basically 
looks like an identical frame.
 
Unfortunately, what I want is for RBW to sell an Hillborne or AHH in my 
son's size with Roadeo tubing in my son's size and sell the frameset for 
$500. Okay, maybe $600. I might even go for a proper-sized Soma San Marco, 
though I'd prefer that it handle wider tires with fenders. Again, with the 
$500-$600
 
And I completely understand why that will not happen.
 
:(
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
who will have a dilemma when his son fits a 48cm

On Monday, June 25, 2012 8:27:11 AM UTC-5, Geoff Cisler wrote:

> I've also been looking at this one:
> http://opusbike.com/en/bikes/kids/24/rambler
>
> it looks like a proper city bike, which is the kind of riding we do.  At 
> 27 lbs, it's certainly not light, but it looks pretty rugged.  I figure on 
> our next trip to Montreal, we'll check out a dealer and take one for a test 
> ride.  (or two, since I have twins)
>
> On the other side of the pond, there's also the German brand Puky, which 
> I've seen in person and I really like.  They have 20" and 24" in 3 or 7 
> speed IGH:
>
> http://www.puky.net/en/mod_produkte_produkt/kategorie/skyride_24_7_alu/produkt/Skyride_24_7_ALU_flieder_schwarz/index.html
>
> I figure that my kids have already had 3 used bikes (12", 16", 20") each, 
> their next one can be something a bit nicer.  But I'm also happy to see all 
> the other options people have posted!
>
> Geoff
>
>
> On Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:19:48 AM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> The Specialized Hotrock 20 
>> Streetis
>>  a similar bike with 20-inch wheels. 
>>
>> --Andy 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:53:22 AM UTC-7, singlecross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been happy with a Raleigh Scout 24" MTB for my 8 year old. We 
 went to this because my son was riding a 20" wheel singlespeed/coaster 
 brake and was getting tired after 8 miles or so of hilly riding, as you 
 would imagine. The biggest improvement was the gears for him because of 
 the 
 hills where we live. Grip shift 3x7 gearing for the hills, Aluminum frame 
 and NON-SUSPENSION! fork. I wish they made the same in a 20" wheel for my 
 5 
 year old.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.raleighusa.com/archive/2011-youth/mtn-scout-11/
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> Downeast Maine 
>>>
>>
> On Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:19:48 AM UTC-4, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> The Specialized Hotrock 20 
>> Streetis
>>  a similar bike with 20-inch wheels. 
>>
>> --Andy 
>>
>> On Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:53:22 AM UTC-7, singlecross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have been happy with a Raleigh Scout 24" MTB for my 8 year old. We 
 went to this because my son was riding a 20" wheel singlespeed/coaster 
 brake and was getting tired after 8 miles or so of hilly riding, as you 
 would imagine. The biggest improvement was the gears for him because of 
 the 
 hills where we live. Grip shift 3x7 gearing for the hills, Aluminum frame 
 and NON-SUSPENSION! fork. I wish they made the same in a 20" wheel for my 
 5 
 year old.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.raleighusa.com/archive/2011-youth/mtn-scout-11/
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>> Downeast Maine 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Noodles or Albas - 2nd try

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Hi!
Whether the Albatross is right for you depends on how you normally ride now 
(drops/tops/hooks/hoods/behind-the-levers) and what you'd like to change 
(hand-orientation/lean/reach).
 
Personally I greatly appreciate a *very* upright riding position. My hands 
rest inches above the level of my saddle. I also like a relatively rearward 
saddle position. My B-17 is almost as far back as it can go on a normal 
Nitto seatpost on my Hillborne. So obviously I can endorse the Albatross. 
Pure comfort!
 
(The consideration is over. Though it was close, I like the Albatross bar 
better than the Bosco. I still have an Albatross on one bike and the Bosco 
on the other, though. I enjoy both a lot. I'm just not trying to discern 
which I like "better" anymore.)
 
I'd recommend that *if* you want to keep your lean as it is and are 
concerned about the bar being too wide, consider a Moustache. You could 
probably keep your current brake levers. You can get a different hand 
orientation and still have two solid and different positions. With the 
Moustache, unless you explicitly want to extend your reach to the closest 
part of the bar, I'd start with your 8cm stem.
 
*But* if you want to experiment more generally with a different riding 
position (and outlook on life!) then by all means the Albatross is a great 
way to go. Head/Tailwinds will affect you more (slightly adversely overall, 
IME). And I do *feel* like I have more power when I ride with my Moustache 
set-up versus my Albatross set-up. Of these constrasts think not "true" and 
"scientific" and "rigorous" but "truthy" and "scientistical" and "squishy". 
But the height and width gain and the closer position of the grips gives me 
an upright position I typically prefer.
 
The 9cm width difference (46 vs 55) might make a practical difference in 
tight situations. I have almost no experience in traffic. Frankly *my* 
width is probably the critical path there anyway. But when it comes to 
getting my bike out of its hidey-hole in the garage, the difficulty is 100% 
positively correlated with bar width!
 
I have one CrMo Albatross and one Al Albatross (heat-treated). I can't tell 
a difference in flex. I'm not entirely sure what the widths are, though. It 
might be that the Al is 54cm and CrMo is either 55cm or 56cm. I doubt width 
would make a big difference in flex here, though; the curve of the 
Albatross probably stiffens the structure generally. The Al Albatross has a 
little duller waxy-ish finish, which I kind of prefer over the CrMo's 
slight shine.
 
IMO:
 
The First Thing to confirm is that your saddle is in The Good Place. If it 
is not, changing your bar alone will not make you as comortable as you 
should be. I ride periodically with Albatross, Bullmoose, Moustache, 
Noodle, and Bosco bars on a Hillborne. I *never* change my saddle position. 
And, though I have overall preferences, I am basically comfortable with any 
of those bars. I never have hand-numbness or arm-weariness or lower-back 
trouble with any of them on my 10-20mi RT commute or my 30-40mi weekend 
rides. It's just like having different bikes, all wonderful.
 
Good luck!
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:37:41 AM UTC-5, Jay wrote:

> Google seems to have eaten this post from earlier today. Apologies to 
> anyone who get it twice. 
>
> > I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my 
> > Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but 
> > can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about 
> > giving Albas a try. 
>
> > If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love 
> > to hear from you before. 
>
> > Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in 
> > dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo. 
>
> > I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem 
> > that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I 
> > would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or 
> > tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot. 
>
> > Any used Albas out there looking for a home? 
>
> > Jay

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[RBW] Re: The Poster--What to do now that you have it

[Lynne Fitz]

I was going to pick up a frame and then hang it on the wall with my 
rando-bling from last season.  Yes it is a poster.  It is also a work of 
awesome craftsmanship (both the company and the lithography).

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:32:33 AM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
> In anticipation of receiving my poster, I was pondering how I would 
> mount/frame/hang it.  This is the first piece of original art that I will 
> have in the poster medium, and I want to do it right.  Not that I ever 
> intend to sell it, but I'd like to at least be able to hand it down in good 
> condition to one of my kids.  I thought that this article was comprehensive 
> and realistic for the real world:  
> http://www.artelino.com/articles/care_art_prints.asp.
>  
> No matter what you decide to do with your poster, it's better to be 
> informed about your choices.  (I almost feel like buying another; one to 
> hang, one to store away!).
> Cheers, Steve
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just 
something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. 
That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an 
amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and tools, 
I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in any 
large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced 
mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's 
compatible with our bikes and personalities. 

As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not do 
home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and better 
to find an experienced person to do it for me.

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[RBW] Re: CT riders

[C.J. Filip]

Might be an Atlantis in Coventry at the end of July.

On Jun 27, 7:21 am, Ken Karpowicz  wrote:
> LongLow in Bloomfield
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[RBW] Re:What are your favorite blogs?

[Rich Powers]

 I'll add this one:

http://g-tedproductions.blogspot.com/

He is a local guy and does a lot of gravel rides and adventures.
Great writing style and perspective.  He is a steel guy at heart.

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[ANDREW LETTON]

>From the Riv website, here is what Nitto recommends:

http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=65

HTH,
Andrew





From: lungimsam 
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 26, 2012 8:22:37 PM
Subject: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?


Hello,
 
I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs?
Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking 
specs. 
Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
 
Thanks for any info.
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:
> Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to 
> demonstrate proper torque.
>
> I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque 
> specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part "mechanic's hand" is just fine. 
> If you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench 
> may be a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a 
> good mechanic. A man has to know his limitations.
>


'a mechanics hand' can come through experience - or as another option
it could just be a function of strength and guessing. I've noticed
I've gotten better at estimating torque for things I do repeatedly so
that when I go to test with the torque wrench there is very little
movement necessary. However, I like tools which take the 'magical
intuition and guessing' out of the game.

Additionally, I have found that seeking out a good mechanic is next to
impossible. During conversation w/a mechanic and w/o encountering some
sort of failure of some kind from their work - I've found that
distinguishing a good mechanic from a passable mechanic is next to
impossible.

I'd rather learn to do it for myself or get a tool to help me do it
myself than guess as to whether or not the money I just paid someone
was for good, reliable work or was just for the fun of throwing my
money away.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to 
demonstrate proper torque.

I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque 
specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part "mechanic's hand" is just fine. If 
you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench may be 
a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a good 
mechanic. A man has to know his limitations. 

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Re: [RBW] SJS cycles

[René Sterental]

I've shopped with them in the past, and always had a good experience.
However, if the item I want is available on www.wiggle.co.uk, that's where
I get it since they have free shipping to the United States and their
prices are very competitive.

I shop here primarily for european items I cannot find locally, or for
discontinued items like rear derailers. I was able to get 3 Rapid Rise
Shimano XT derailers that have been discontinued for quite some time now
and were no longer available everywhere I looked.

My primary goal is to support local shops that give me good service.

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RE: [RBW] Re: The Poster

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Optional "margin of goodwill" menu item is a great idea. 

-Original Message-
From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott A
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:13 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: The Poster

I was amazed when I read they'd sold over 600 prints "in the blind", but had 
the same cringing reaction when I read about the cost vs.
price. Though it's not the same situation, it reminded me of all the stories 
you here about small businesses getting into hot water after offering a Groupon 
deal: they get stuck fulfilling an oversold deal at a loss. I do wish that Riv 
had included a few more bucks of profit in their price; every business needs 
margin to survive, and I'm sure most of us would have still made the purchase 
at $23-25.

Maybe they could create a catalog item for "margin of goodwill" or something 
for folks who would want to go back and chip in a few extra bucks. Make it six 
dollars, and three goes to a charity.

Still watching the mail...
Scott

> Also, on the pricing, while I sure do appreciate the low price for a 
> DLG original print, I cringe when I read that RBW was basically 
> selling them below cost to early adopters. I want RBW to stay in 
> business and be successful for a LONG TIME yet to come... but how can 
> losing money on the first 640 posters possibly help that?

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Re: [RBW] SJS cycles

[Peter Morgano]

Second that.  I have bought from them in the past and they were awesome.
On Jun 27, 2012 11:32 AM, "Jay in Tel Aviv"  wrote:

> Just wanted to let you guys know that this UK outfit is a pleasure to
> buy from.
> I received a couple of Rivish parts today from them and am very happy
> with their selection, prices, delivery speed, packaging etc.
> Since they are in the UK, they take the 20% VAT off for US orders,
> which more or less covers the shipping costs. They are somehow
> affiliated with Thorn bicycles. Which IMHO is another point in their
> favor.
> Happy shopping everyone.
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

On at least one of the sets of instructions I have received with various 
Nitto rack products it says:
 
"Use good judgment."
 
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
 
On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:58:15 AM UTC-5, JimD wrote:

> "We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>>
>
> Back in the day, I had  a Bultaco motorcycle. The bike had a poorly 
> translated (from the original Spanish) owner's manual.
> The manual offered some guidance on tightening fasteners. It went 
> something like: 
>
> "It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and 
> bolts"!
>
> Ever since,  this has been my mantra.
> -JimD
>
>  
> On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Scott Henry wrote:
>
> What bolts or specs are you looking for?  
> The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be 
> a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that 
> a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and 
> should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.
>  
> Scott
> Dayton, OH
>  
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>  
>> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque 
>> specs?
>> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking 
>> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>>  
>> Thanks for any info.
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Noodles or Albas

[Joe Bernard]

I've used both, and it's a very different experience. In my opinion, a 2cm 
difference in stem length will not be enough. Albas sit you WAY back 
compared to what you are used to. 
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:

> I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my 
> Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but 
> can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about 
> giving Albas a try. 
>
> If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love 
> to hear from you before. 
>
> Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in 
> dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo. 
>
> I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem 
> that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I 
> would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or 
> tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot. 
>
> Any used Albas out there looking for a home? 
>
> Jay 
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[RBW] Noodles or Albas - 2nd try

[Jay]

Google seems to have eaten this post from earlier today. Apologies to
anyone who get it twice.

> I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my
> Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but
> can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about
> giving Albas a try.

> If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love
> to hear from you before.

> Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in
> dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo.

> I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem
> that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I
> would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or
> tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot.

> Any used Albas out there looking for a home?

> Jay

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[RBW] SJS cycles

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Just wanted to let you guys know that this UK outfit is a pleasure to
buy from.
I received a couple of Rivish parts today from them and am very happy
with their selection, prices, delivery speed, packaging etc.
Since they are in the UK, they take the 20% VAT off for US orders,
which more or less covers the shipping costs. They are somehow
affiliated with Thorn bicycles. Which IMHO is another point in their
favor.
Happy shopping everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Max Stem Height Question

[Zack]

Thanks guys!

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[RBW] Noodles or Albas

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I am currently using 46 cm Noodle bars at about saddle height on my
Sam for my 15 mile RT commute. I like the multiple hand positions but
can't say I'm really comfortable with them, so I'm thinking about
giving Albas a try.

If anyone out there has made the switch from drops to Albas, I'd love
to hear from you before.

Beside general impressions, I'm curious how the wider Albas perform in
dense traffic. Also thoughts about Alum vs Cromo.

I am using an 8 cm stem with the Noodles. I'm hoping the 10 cm stem
that replaced will be perfect for the Albas. If so, beside the bars I
would just need brake levers and the Nitto shim from Riv. And grips or
tape of some kind. Maybe $100-120 for the lot.

Any used Albas out there looking for a home?

Jay

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque
> specs?
> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking
> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>

Depends on which components you have and what specs you need.

I tighten a lot of things with a torgue wrench. I love having it around.

tell us what you're looking for. If you want to - call riv and ask
them - they are very good about giving answers.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[jimD]

> "We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?

Back in the day, I had  a Bultaco motorcycle. The bike had a poorly translated 
(from the original Spanish) owner's manual.
The manual offered some guidance on tightening fasteners. It went something 
like: 

"It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts"!

Ever since,  this has been my mantra.
-JimD


On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:34 AM, Scott Henry wrote:

> What bolts or specs are you looking for? 
> The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a 
> seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that a 
> stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should 
> be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.
>  
> Scott
> Dayton, OH
> 
>  
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam  wrote:
> Hello,
>  
> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs?
> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking 
> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>  
> Thanks for any info.
> 
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RE: [RBW] Re: The Poster

[John Dilsaver]

The poster, and some other assorted bike stuff, is scheduled to arrive here in 
remote s.w. MO later this morning.   So, I'm curious to see it. 
 Also, I'm having some of my colleagues from work over this weekend, --- I'm a 
high school math/physics teacher in the middle of summer break;--  at school 
I'm usually fortunate enough to get to eat lunch with a group of art teachers 
(sculpture, pottery, drawing, design), -- it's the lunch group that'll be here. 
 I'm interested to see what they think of my new "art acquisition". 
 Having an actual art object to show off will be quite a contrast to most of my 
show and tell items at art lunches, -- cool proofs of math theorems, physics 
problems and so forth. . . .
John DilsaverSparta, MO

  

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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Scott Henry]

What bolts or specs are you looking for?
The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be
a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that
a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and
should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.

Scott
Dayton, OH


On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque
> specs?
> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking
> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>
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[RBW] Re: The Poster

[islaysteve]

I second this sentiment and also the suggestion for a "goodwill" item from 
which to order.  Agree that I would have ordered at a low intro price 
whether $20, 23, 25, etc.  I'm sure that many others here would have also.  
Grant, please consider this.  (Still anxiously awaiting poster delivery 
tomorrow!)   Steve
 

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 2:12:34 AM UTC-4, Scott A wrote:

> I was amazed when I read they'd sold over 600 prints "in the blind", 
> but had the same cringing reaction when I read about the cost vs. 
> price. Though it's not the same situation, it reminded me of all the 
> stories you here about small businesses getting into hot water after 
> offering a Groupon deal: they get stuck fulfilling an oversold deal at 
> a loss. I do wish that Riv had included a few more bucks of profit in 
> their price; every business needs margin to survive, and I'm sure most 
> of us would have still made the purchase at $23-25. 
>
> Maybe they could create a catalog item for "margin of goodwill" or 
> something for folks who would want to go back and chip in a few extra 
> bucks. Make it six dollars, and three goes to a charity. 
>
> Still watching the mail... 
> Scott 
>
> > Also, on the pricing, while I sure do appreciate the low price for a DLG 
> > original print, I cringe when I read that RBW was basically selling them 
> > below cost to early adopters. I want RBW to stay in business and be 
> > successful for a LONG TIME yet to come... but how can losing money on 
> the 
> > first 640 posters possibly help that?

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[RBW] Re: CT riders

[Ken Karpowicz]

LongLow in Bloomfield

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Re: [RBW] Nitto Max Stem Height Question

[David Hallerman]

All text and any min/max insertion line should be in the steerer tube 
and not visible.


Typically, a quill stem gives you 65mm to 75mm, measured from the long 
part in the back, that needs to be inserted fully into the steerer.


Dave, who still remembers this foolish fellow who had his quill a fair 
bit above the minimum insertion mark but insisted that because he never 
had a problem with it there was "no problem"


==

On 6/26/12 8:26 PM, Zack wrote:

Hey all -

I was looking at my nitto stem, and am not sure where the "max stem 
height" line actually is.  Is it the words "max stem height"?  and 
does that mean that those words must be down into the steerer tube 
(effectively making the top of that line of text the line)?


Help?
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[RBW] Re: Anyone ride around Manchester state park in WA state?

[art]

On Tuesday, June 26, 2012 5:07:29 PM UTC-7, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Here is my planned trip: http://goo.gl/maps/WM9a
>
> I'm taking my 3y old son on his first bike camping trip and a friend from 
> out there seems to think the roads are not safe for cyclists. Non cyclists 
> seem to think bike lanes are the only way to ride on a road so I'm not 
> super worried. But anyone on this list ride out there? Seems like a quiet 
> little road.
>
> - Ryan
>
>
Hey Ryan:

You're right about non-cyclists, but that road isn't too good. I've ridden 
it a couple times with my son on bike camping trips, when he was 10 and 11. 
He's a very experienced cyclist for his age, but that road was probably the 
second or third worst part of the trip (which went from Tacoma to 
Manchester, then Northwest to Port Townsend, and onwards..actually, IIRC, 
the easternmost part of that road was pretty nice, but it wasn't so good as 
it got closer to the passenger ferry.The passenger ferry, however, is 
really nice)  What about approaching Manchester (which is great) via 
Southworth ferry? I assume your son will be in a trailer, or on a 
trail-a-bike? When I think about it, I guess the road you show is ok for 
that purpose, since you're doing the steering. I never felt in danger, even 
with my son. It was just a little trafficky. The part which cuts over to 
Manchester is pretty nice and there are, strangely, some camels in the 
middle of a field just north of Manchester?!

Have fun

Art
Tacoma

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