Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Daniel]

I can see it sportin' Microshift, tho only thyme will tell.
Daniel
Anaheim, CA

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 5:41:06 PM UTC-7, EricP wrote:
>
> I can see it being done. Especially with low-tier Shimano components. 
> (Think Tiagra or no-name).  Most of which appear to work just fine. And 
> there is probably a modern equivalent of old seamed, straight gauge tubing. 
> The wheels might be the toughest part.
>  It's something I'll keep an eye on, although I do have two Surly bikes 
> that fulfill the role of "beater" (or better) quite well. 
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[pb]

On Jul 3, 10:19 pm, charlie  wrote:
> It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000
> in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a
> company takes time to get something into production.everything from
> financing, parts vendors, production availability, company debt (back
> to financing) etc. plus I'm sure they want to hit the mark and insure
> its a good seller.

Ah, I don't think it would take $20,000,000 to bring a bike to
market.  I suspect that manufacturers in Taiwan are much more nimble
than that, and I suspect that parts manufacturers will be happy to
make sales.

Let's say Riv is shooting for a 35% margin, which would be very solid
in the bike world.  That's a cost of $910 each.  How many would they
do in a first run?  A hundred?  Two hundred?  I have no idea how many
units Rivendell can sell of a new, entry-level model, but let's say
two hundred, which might be enough to realize some production
efficiencies.  That represents a cost of $182,000.  Not an
insignificant amount of money, but not anywhere near $20,000,000.  As
far as ensuring that it's a "good seller" -- that might mean appealing
to a somewhat mainstream audience, which would be a bit of a switch in
posture and in marketing strategy.

Riv has had historic alliances with Merry Sales (if I recall correctly
-- weren't they the folks who distributed the Bleriot?  Or was it
QBP?), as well as with Soma.  Any of those could be very helpful in
lining up suppliers and supplies.

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[Tony Lockhart]

I think you're close Peter. Soma's Stanyan comes in around the $700 mark 
and they're using Tange. Velo-Orange also has a lugged frame retailing 
around $700, although they've been on sale forever. The recent post 
mentions tubing that's not as nice as other bikes so I imagine there's some 
wiggle room to get the price down. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of 
all the different types of tubing, but I imagine that they'll go for 
something a bit lower than the 4130 stuff. 

Budget wheels cost a couple hundred; Kalloy makes economic parts; faux 
leather saddle; Microshift drivetrain parts; and who knows.maybe they 
get some of the tires/handlebars/incidentals from Soma. I think they can 
definitely pull this off. The SimpleOnes didn't have any super exciting 
parts, however they all managed to work together in a grouppo that made the 
bike affordable. I really think they can do it, and I imagine it'll be much 
better than the racy stuff coming out of Trek, Cannondale, and Specialized.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:02:46 PM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote: 
> > Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be 
> > possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless 
> the 
> > are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. 
>
> Lessee... 
>
> Riv and Soma have a relationship.  Soma makes pretty nice lugged 
> frames, with a retail price point of $730.  The Soma frames are  made 
> in Taiwan.  The Riv frame is going to be made in Taiwan. 
>
> Hmmmnn a Prestige-framed Riv?  And the Soma frames even require 
> 57mm brakes. 
>
> My only question is why would it take a year to produce? 
>
> ~pb

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[RBW] Re: Find yourself again.

[Manuel Acosta]

Dusty,
The shirt is from Rickshaw Bagworks. I don't know if they sell it on their 
website anymore. But call they might have more.

Also another cool thing. Didn't know if I should have posted this up on 
forum but since Grant posted already a huge welcome to new bike 
packer/saturday guy, Sean! A good buddy of mine, who I have had the 
pleasure of riding with. Same Sean that broke his spoke on the dirt ride 
down from Pantol, the same Sean who rides a double top tube, green Sam, the 
aame Sean who is famously known as the Canadian Spaniard (His future 
wrestler name). I'm lucky enough he's able to deal with riding with me and 
more that happy that he's working at Rivendell. 
Funny thing about how I found out. I tried tricking him (because thats the 
only way I can convince people to ride with me) into riding me up South 
Gate that day when he told me he couldn't because he was starting his new 
job that day. He asked me to guess where and jokingly replied, "At 
Rivendell!" He said Hey your right! Ha there's some snaps shots of his 
first day in the previous set.

Here some pictures of Sean. So you know... he exist.

Him and his new bike
http://flic.kr/p/bEbmoR

Him pushing his new bike up a hill around Berkley 
http://flic.kr/p/bVCsHy

Him sitting around the Marin Headland 
http://flic.kr/p/bX4RiB

Don't ask me why he doesn't smile more...
http://flic.kr/p/ceBeQq

-Manny

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[charlie]

It probably takes a year to produce because Grant doesn't have $20,000,000 
in the bank.actually there are probably quite a few reasons why a 
company takes time to get something into production.everything from 
financing, parts vendors, production availability, company debt (back 
to financing) etc. plus I'm sure they want to hit the mark and insure 
its a good seller.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:02:46 PM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
>
>
> On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote: 
> > Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be 
> > possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless 
> the 
> > are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. 
>
> Lessee... 
>
> Riv and Soma have a relationship.  Soma makes pretty nice lugged 
> frames, with a retail price point of $730.  The Soma frames are  made 
> in Taiwan.  The Riv frame is going to be made in Taiwan. 
>
> Hmmmnn a Prestige-framed Riv?  And the Soma frames even require 
> 57mm brakes. 
>
> My only question is why would it take a year to produce? 
>
> ~pb

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[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices

[rcnute]

Musas, Birkenstocks, plastic or maybe wool jersey this year.  Sleeping
on the ball field in Winlock (home of the World's Largest Egg:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/4033)

I will be on the orange mini-velo.  Say howdy and y'all have a good
ride!

Ryan

On Jul 3, 9:58 pm, rob markwardt  wrote:
> Scot,
>   I'm going and will likely be riding this 
> bikehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/7458929540/and dressed in a
> similar mode.  I'll be riding with my two brothers and am guessing
> we'll be riding at a fairly moderate pace.
>
> If forecast is clear I might also be riding my own newly-built-secret-
> weapon bike (much more on topic)...I took it out on it's maiden shake-
> down ride tonight and hope to get in few miles on it tomorrow.  Should
> have some pics of the new beast tomorrow.
>
> On Jul 3, 9:21 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and I'm
> > kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore it
> > for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The
> > farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite
> > riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will
> > probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA
> > short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with
> > a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route.
>
> > Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing?
>
> > Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out my
> > newly-built-secret-weapon bike.

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[pb]

On Jul 3, 3:35 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
> Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be
> possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the
> are having 1k frames made in China or something like that.

Lessee...

Riv and Soma have a relationship.  Soma makes pretty nice lugged
frames, with a retail price point of $730.  The Soma frames are  made
in Taiwan.  The Riv frame is going to be made in Taiwan.

Hmmmnn a Prestige-framed Riv?  And the Soma frames even require
57mm brakes.

My only question is why would it take a year to produce?

~pb

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[Manuel Acosta]

Beater Rivendell?  I thought all Rivendells are suppose to be ridden to the 
ground?

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[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices

[rob markwardt]

Scot,
  I'm going and will likely be riding this bike
http://www.flickr.com/photos/77502424@N00/7458929540/ and dressed in a
similar mode.  I'll be riding with my two brothers and am guessing
we'll be riding at a fairly moderate pace.

If forecast is clear I might also be riding my own newly-built-secret-
weapon bike (much more on topic)...I took it out on it's maiden shake-
down ride tonight and hope to get in few miles on it tomorrow.  Should
have some pics of the new beast tomorrow.



On Jul 3, 9:21 pm, Scot Brooks  wrote:
> So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and I'm
> kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore it
> for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The
> farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite
> riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will
> probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA
> short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with
> a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route.
>
> Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing?
>
> Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out my
> newly-built-secret-weapon bike.

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[RBW] Re: Long distance clothing choices

[charlie]

When I am out on a ride longer than say 25 miles I will sometimes wear my 
one pair of cycling shorts but..I also have been known to ride in plain 
cotton undies (boxers) and Riv MUSA shorts now that I have the Riv blue 
suspenders. I have both short and long sleeve wool shirts and also have Riv 
MUSA pants for colder days. I also have the wool 'tights' that I use under 
my rain paints when its really crummy out. Showers Pass touring 
jacket.Sunny days, just a cotton t-shirt or a long sleeve cotton button 
up with chest pockets for my phone etc. Shoes, New 
Balance outdoors-man sport shoe (not sure what model) but they are brown 
suede. I've always wanted to ride the STP.and if I do, it would 
probably be my other brand touring bike or my new Rivendell Sam Hillborne 
with a change to drop bars. Might consider riding the SimpleOne someday 
with a gearing change and if the weather were ideal and I was in better 
shape for it. I'm liking the long tail cotton long sleeve shirt (seersucker 
if you can) for riding the more I use them. I also use my Teva sandals in 
the summer for riding. Heat/cold management is pretty important so layering 
and a good bag/rack combo is really nice to have.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 9:21:32 PM UTC-7, Scot Brooks wrote:
>
> So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and 
> I'm kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore 
> it for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The 
> farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite 
> riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will 
> probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA 
> short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with 
> a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route. 
>
> Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing? 
>
> Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out 
> my newly-built-secret-weapon bike. 
>

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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Peter Morgano]

You think powder coated to save cash too?  It can be done nice for alot
cheaper than wet.  You do lose some definition around lugs but for a
"beater"  shouldn't be an issue.
On Jul 4, 2012 12:28 AM, "Philip Williamson" 
wrote:

> Giant +1 on Mark's Gray. His Rivendells are my ideal of clean, fast,
> classic looking bikes.
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:46:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> http://us1.campaign-archive1.**com/?u=**2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd&id=**
>> 0f9ee90009
>>
>> The email as linked from Rivendell's Twitter. The frame will be made in
>> Taiwan, "minimalist paint", no headbadge, and I guess the downtube/seattube
>> decals will be minimalist as well. I like the idea of a "beater Rivendell"
>> a lot..something simple and understated from the company of fancy
>> paint-and-lugs is a neat idea. I say paint it Mark's Grey - like the
>> Hunqapillar but without the red/white - and put a creme RBW triangle on the
>> seattube, the name of the bike on the headtube, and leave the downtube
>> bare. Urban Commuter Stealth Rivendell.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:35:04 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>>> Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be
>>> possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the
>>> are having 1k frames made in China or something like that.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Zack  wrote:
>>>
 Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a
 truly affordable ($1400) complete bike.

 Cool stuff.

 Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.

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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Philip Williamson]

Giant +1 on Mark's Gray. His Rivendells are my ideal of clean, fast, 
classic looking bikes. 

 Philip

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www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:46:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd&id=0f9ee90009
>  
> The email as linked from Rivendell's Twitter. The frame will be made in 
> Taiwan, "minimalist paint", no headbadge, and I guess the downtube/seattube 
> decals will be minimalist as well. I like the idea of a "beater Rivendell" 
> a lot..something simple and understated from the company of fancy 
> paint-and-lugs is a neat idea. I say paint it Mark's Grey - like the 
> Hunqapillar but without the red/white - and put a creme RBW triangle on the 
> seattube, the name of the bike on the headtube, and leave the downtube 
> bare. Urban Commuter Stealth Rivendell.
>  
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:35:04 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
>> Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be 
>> possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the 
>> are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. 
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Zack  wrote:
>>
>>> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a 
>>> truly affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>>>
>>> Cool stuff.  
>>>
>>> Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.
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[RBW] Long distance clothing choices

[Scot Brooks]

So the Seattle to Portland ride is coming up (200 miles in 2 days), and I'm 
kinda thinking about wardrobe. I'm not a spandex guy, and though I wore it 
for quite awhile some years ago, I just never felt right in it. The 
farthest I've gotten is running socks, boat shoes (my all time favorite 
riding footwear), Exofficio undies, and that's it. Running shorts will 
probably be next thing, which seems like a good choice. I wanted a MUSA 
short sleeve wool tee shirt, but they're out of mediums. Might end up with 
a butt-crack tan line if I go the tee shirt route. 

Anyway, what do you guys and gals wear when distance is the thing? 

Also, who's going? I'll probably be riding my Sam, but I might break out my 
newly-built-secret-weapon bike. 

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[RBW] Wider Mustache?

[rw1911]

I like my Mustache bars, but sometimes wish they were a bit wider.
Any options?  Can the Alba be setup Mustache style?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Dynamo/Touring Wheelset with 700x47 Marathon Greenguards

[Scot Brooks]

Price drop // shameless bump

How about $200 local purchase in Seattle?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Peter Morgano]

Poor aluminum doesn't even get to be part of the feud, haha.
On Jul 3, 2012 11:29 PM, "René Sterental"  wrote:

> Can we drop the carbon vs. steel discussion? Unless discuss carbon vs
> steel helmets... :-D
>
> There doesn't seem to be much enlightment in this topic...
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> I have seen calfees work and it is top notch but I would never ride a
>> repaired cf frame.
>>  On Jul 3, 2012 4:26 PM, "Brewster Fong"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON
>>> FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be
>>> fixed" makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degrading
>>> the material to sell his supposedly *superior* steel frames. Note, it can
>>> actually be easier and cheaper to repair carbon!
>>>
>>> Btw, for those of you who don't believe it, CF can easily be repaired
>>> and there are several builders who do it. Here's one of the best:
>>>
>>> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/
>>>
>>> For photos go here:
>>>
>>> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/repair-examples-photos/
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
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[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

[Ryan Ray]

I have the Velo Orange import and it doesn't really fit on my 64cm bike. 
I'm convinced the surly design is best for us too-steep-seat-stay folks.

- Ryan




On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:40:34 PM UTC-7, HKett wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard 
> blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses 
> against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, 
> and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder 
> at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before 
> I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have 
> experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Holger
>

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[Ryan Ray]

>
> Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible, 
> which development I would welcome. 


Best comment ever.

But yes. Totally interested.

- Ryan

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:59:03 PM UTC-7, pb wrote:
>
> Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible, 
> which development I would welcome. 
>
> :-) 
>
> pb 
>
> On Jul 3, 3:24 pm, Zack  wrote: 
> > Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a 
> truly 
> > affordable ($1400) complete bike. 
> > 
> > Cool stuff. 
> > 
> > Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[René Sterental]

Can we drop the carbon vs. steel discussion? Unless discuss carbon vs steel
helmets... :-D

There doesn't seem to be much enlightment in this topic...

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> I have seen calfees work and it is top notch but I would never ride a
> repaired cf frame.
>  On Jul 3, 2012 4:26 PM, "Brewster Fong"  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>>
>>> Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot.
>>
>>
>> Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON
>> FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be
>> fixed" makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degrading
>> the material to sell his supposedly *superior* steel frames. Note, it can
>> actually be easier and cheaper to repair carbon!
>>
>> Btw, for those of you who don't believe it, CF can easily be repaired and
>> there are several builders who do it. Here's one of the best:
>>
>> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/
>>
>> For photos go here:
>>
>> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/repair-examples-photos/
>>
>> Good Luck!
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Re: [RBW] seized bottom bracket cup

[mike]

I did just this over the last weekend.  The size is 8mm x 1.0

On Thursday, June 14, 2012 8:15:30 AM UTC-6, Michael Santos wrote:
>
> You can thread a bolt through the bottom bracket tool into the spindle to 
> keep the tool in place, can't remember the size, maybe 8mm fine pitch. 
>  Then just use a cheater bar over your adjustable wrench for extra leverage.

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[RBW] Swap my 55cm LongLow for your 53cm Atlantis: Last Call

[b hamon]

I'm putting it out there one more time.
I will swap my 55cm square LongLow (built in 1999 by Joe Starck) for yur 53cm 
Atlantis.I would prefer to swap the framesetsbut would consider a complete bike 
swap if it makes sense for both of us.
beausage abounds on my frame -- it has the original paint and hass seen about 
2,000 miles a year or so since 1999 -- so I won't have beausage issues with 
yours.
If no one bites I will clean it up and sell it locally.
Please email me OFF list if interested.
Thanks and happy riding --Beth Hamon in PDX
http://www.reverbnation.com/bethhamon

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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[dougP]

Agree with Joe on the minimalist detail approach; keep it low
profile.  Using generic, non-group parts, it could be done.  You just
ride it for a while & after a year upgrade whatever is tired.  Wheels
will of necessity be machine built, no label hoops.  We'll probably
see very simple lugs, as on the last of the Japanese bikes.  Still,
$1,400 is a helluva price point.  I imagine REI, Surly, etc. place
humungous orders to keep the price down.  Time will tell.

dougP

On Jul 3, 5:41 pm, Eric Platt  wrote:
> I can see it being done. Especially with low-tier Shimano components.
> (Think Tiagra or no-name).  Most of which appear to work just fine. And
> there is probably a modern equivalent of old seamed, straight gauge tubing.
> The wheels might be the toughest part.
> It's something I'll keep an eye on, although I do have two Surly bikes that
> fulfill the role of "beater" (or better) quite well.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> > I probably shouldn't get too revved up about this model..the Simple One
> > didn't come in a size small enough for me.
>
> > On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:22:29 PM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> >> > Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer?
> >> > I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save
> >> anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube
> >> badge really add that must cost?
>
> >> A simple one with a rear derailler? - see - that I would have no
> >> trouble endorsing. :)
>
> >> -sv
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[RBW] Re: For Sale 62cm Waterford RS-22 $2500.00

[eflayer]

geometry specs?
On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 11:26:30 AM UTC-7, jech...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 62cm in British Racing Green. 
> component Package: Full Shimano Ultegra 
> Wheel Manufacturer: DT Swiss RR1.1 with Chris King hubs
> Fork Manufacturer: IRD Mosaic carbon...painted to match frame
>
> Additional Information: 
> wheels were handbuilt by Waterford dealer. Saddle is Brooks Swift with ti 
> rails in British Racing Green to match the frame. Nitto  bar, stem, and 
> seatpost. Chris King headset and hubs. Brand new Speedplay pedals. Full 
> shop tuneup end of January this year and frame was sprayed with frame 
> saver. Just received bottle of touchup paint from Waterford and will be 
> touching up a few scratches. 3,855.4 miles. Original tires have been 
> replaced. Feel free to ask any questions. Pic is here:
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc245-ericchatham0207.html
>
> Thanks for looking!
> Eric 404-849-4185  

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Poster--What to do now that you have it

[Eric Platt]

Mine showed up today.  Yeah, it is better than shown on the interweb.
Wasn't sure I'd like it when the first version showed up.  But, it's very
good.  For some reason, looks like "California" to this person from
fly-over land.  It's now in a Target frame on the living room wall.  For
anyone who cares, an 18x24 frame works swell.  Had to take down the
Rivendell bike model poster to make room.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:57 AM, islaysteve  wrote:

> Given the prices some here are posting, I might have to order the supplies
> and do it myself.  I have an idea of the type of frame I want, so as to
> compliment the style and period look of the poster.  I will probably take
> it to the framer that I've used before for an estimate.  Cheers everyone,
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:12:09 PM UTC-4, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>>
>> I had no idea how (seemingly) crazy expensive pro framing is. I was
>> quoted $150-300 depending on how fancy by a local frame shop.
>>
>> I'd really like to split the middle between museum-quality display and
>> thumbtacks in the wall... what are the options? I really like
>> William's idea of frameless mounting on inch thick sturdy stuff.
>> Anybody have similarly less costly options?
>>
>> On Jun 30, 5:47 pm, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:
>> > I got mine framed and matted.
>> >
>> > Semi-fancy frame, colored matte to match the print, UV protectant glass
>> to
>> > protect the colors, and a slip on back to house the "info" that came
>> with
>> > it. With labor, it came to about $230.
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> > in steamy Humboldt Park, Chicago
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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Eric Platt]

I can see it being done. Especially with low-tier Shimano components.
(Think Tiagra or no-name).  Most of which appear to work just fine. And
there is probably a modern equivalent of old seamed, straight gauge tubing.
The wheels might be the toughest part.
It's something I'll keep an eye on, although I do have two Surly bikes that
fulfill the role of "beater" (or better) quite well.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I probably shouldn't get too revved up about this model..the Simple One
> didn't come in a size small enough for me.
>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:22:29 PM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
>> > Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer?
>> > I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save
>> anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube
>> badge really add that must cost?
>> >
>>
>> A simple one with a rear derailler? - see - that I would have no
>> trouble endorsing. :)
>>
>> -sv
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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Joe Bernard]

I probably shouldn't get too revved up about this model..the Simple One 
didn't come in a size small enough for me.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 4:22:29 PM UTC-7, Seth Vidal wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote: 
> > Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer? 
> > I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save 
> anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube 
> badge really add that must cost? 
> > 
>
> A simple one with a rear derailler? - see - that I would have no 
> trouble endorsing. :) 
>
> -sv 
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

[Leslie]

I've got a pair of Cosmos on my 56 Bombadil (650b w/2.3 and SKS 
fenders)...  works great (front was a trick to mount, but the rear was 
easy).  

Thing is, is shouldn't matter if it's a 56 or a 60 or a 64; the wheelsize 
is going to be the same (my fat 650b is as tall as my 60 Ram wearing 700c 
32's...); yes, your seat tube will lengthen, as will the top tube, bottom 
tube, forks;  but the braze-ons should be at the same distance above the 
axles, regardless of the size..  

I think you'll be fine.

FWIW, I like my Cosmos...



On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:40:34 PM UTC-4, HKett wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard 
> blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses 
> against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, 
> and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder 
> at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before 
> I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have 
> experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Holger
>

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[RBW] Re: The Poster

[Leslie]

Mine arrived (I'd been patiently waiting!).  Woot!   Will see about having 
it framed, tomorrow hopefully...  :)

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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:
> Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer?
> I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save 
> anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube badge 
> really add that must cost?
>

A simple one with a rear derailler? - see - that I would have no
trouble endorsing. :)

-sv

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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Peter Pesce]

Interesting. A Simple One with a derailer?
I too am curious how you get the price down. It certainly wouldn't save 
anything to cast new, plain lugs just for one bike. Does the head tube badge 
really add that must cost?
If its to be a true beater, the down tube decal should be "Mongoose."

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[RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[pb]

Robert, thanks for posting that information.

They offer a titanium model!

:-)

On Jul 3, 3:15 pm, "Robert F. Harrison"  wrote:
> Whoops...didn't include the link:
>
> http://www.slatgrills.com/
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Robert F. Harrison 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I think Liesl's link is to discount retailer that operates in such a
> > fashion. I did a little searching and found the Slatgrills manufacturer's
> > site. Since I'm not signing up either I don't know the price difference
> > available, but you can at least see the different grills.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM, pb  wrote:
>
> >> On Jul 3, 10:27 am, Liesl  wrote:
>
> >> >http://huckberry.com/brands/356
>
> >> Ummm...  to look at this thing, I need to create an account and sign
> >> up for a weekly email?  I hope someone who has done that will suggest
> >> to them that they re-think that policy.
>
> >> pb
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[RBW] Re: The New Riv

[pb]

Maybe the value positioning will make double top tubes impossible,
which development I would welcome.

:-)

pb

On Jul 3, 3:24 pm, Zack  wrote:
> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.

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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Joe Bernard]

http://us1.campaign-archive1.com/?u=2090e897f8c7f8d7170a52bbd&id=0f9ee90009
 
The email as linked from Rivendell's Twitter. The frame will be made in 
Taiwan, "minimalist paint", no headbadge, and I guess the downtube/seattube 
decals will be minimalist as well. I like the idea of a "beater Rivendell" 
a lot..something simple and understated from the company of fancy 
paint-and-lugs is a neat idea. I say paint it Mark's Grey - like the 
Hunqapillar but without the red/white - and put a creme RBW triangle on the 
seattube, the name of the bike on the headtube, and leave the downtube 
bare. Urban Commuter Stealth Rivendell.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 3:35:04 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

> Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be 
> possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the 
> are having 1k frames made in China or something like that. 
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Zack  wrote:
>
>> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly 
>> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>>
>> Cool stuff.  
>>
>> Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.
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Re: [RBW] The New Riv

[Peter Morgano]

Intriguing, a build kit for a Riv is $1,200 so not sure how it would be
possible to do a whole bike for $1,400 made out of lugged steel unless the
are having 1k frames made in China or something like that.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Zack  wrote:

> Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly
> affordable ($1400) complete bike.
>
> Cool stuff.
>
> Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.
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[RBW] The New Riv

[Zack]

Just got an email from Riv HQ, there is a new bike in the works - a truly 
affordable ($1400) complete bike.

Cool stuff.  

Shipping is going up $1 too.  I think i'll live.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Robert F. Harrison]

Whoops...didn't include the link:

http://www.slatgrills.com/



On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Robert F. Harrison wrote:

> I think Liesl's link is to discount retailer that operates in such a
> fashion. I did a little searching and found the Slatgrills manufacturer's
> site. Since I'm not signing up either I don't know the price difference
> available, but you can at least see the different grills.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM, pb  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 3, 10:27 am, Liesl  wrote:
>> >
>> > http://huckberry.com/brands/356
>>
>> Ummm...  to look at this thing, I need to create an account and sign
>> up for a weekly email?  I hope someone who has done that will suggest
>> to them that they re-think that policy.
>>
>> pb
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Re: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Robert F. Harrison]

I think Liesl's link is to discount retailer that operates in such a
fashion. I did a little searching and found the Slatgrills manufacturer's
site. Since I'm not signing up either I don't know the price difference
available, but you can at least see the different grills.



On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:03 PM, pb  wrote:

>
>
> On Jul 3, 10:27 am, Liesl  wrote:
> >
> > http://huckberry.com/brands/356
>
> Ummm...  to look at this thing, I need to create an account and sign
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[RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[pb]

On Jul 3, 10:27 am, Liesl  wrote:
>
> http://huckberry.com/brands/356

Ummm...  to look at this thing, I need to create an account and sign
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to them that they re-think that policy.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Ray Shine]

I like that, as well. Very clever design, but don't plan on using any open wood 
burner like that in California between June and November lest you set the state 
ablaze. Most such stoves are banned during that time, and for good reason. 







From: Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 3, 2012 1:34:05 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

Interesting idea. Thanks for sharing. 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:27:51 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
Hi friends,
>
>I know there's been some previous discussion of not posting shameless 
>promotions; however, I really think the Slat Grill is a Rivish item that you 
>might not ever be aware of otherwise.   It's a really simple portable camping 
>grill perfect for a groovy S24O.  I have no vested interest in the product 
>other 
>than I have one.  It's incredibly versitle and couldn't be more simple. AND 
>you 
>can cook some really cool stuff on it.  Plus it's made right here in 
>Roseville, 
>MN and the guy who designed it loves to eat great food.  He cooked me a 
>grilled 
>pear with gorganzola cheese and honey that was out of this world.  AND it fits 
>in a Baggins Adam.
>
>Okay.  'nough said.
>
>http://huckberry.com/brands/356
>
>Liesl in hot-n-steamy minneapolis
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[RBW] WTT: Nitto Technomic Deluxe 8cm for your 7cm

[Alexander Burns]

26.0 clamp, test-ridden only.

SF Bay Area

Contact me off-list please.

Thanks,
Alex

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[RBW] Re: Find yourself again.

[tdusky]

Envious here in Michigan (riding with Amit)
Great Photos.
Where did you get that t-shirt "I Biked Today" ? I want one

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:32:13 AM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> You would think that pedaling people around on a bike would be fun. But 
> after eight days it starts to feel more like a job. Go figure. 
> Decided to remind myself why I enjoy biking s much, by going on a ride 
> that didn't require three wheels. 
> Great mileage today. Still can't find a direct route through Pleasanton 
> Ridge from Palomares Rd without going through someones backyard. 
> Stopped by Rivendell HQ to pick up a handful of things. 
> Typical Rivendell day, people riding bikes, even the workers. 
> Leave it to the wonderful folks at Rivendell to be the prime example of 
> pedaling for fun. 
>
> Pictures proved I forgot to put sunscreen.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAof4rw
>
> -Manny " Two wheels are better then three!" Acosta
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Peter Morgano]

I have seen calfees work and it is top notch but I would never ride a
repaired cf frame.
On Jul 3, 2012 4:26 PM, "Brewster Fong"  wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot.
>
>
> Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON
> FIBER FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be
> fixed" makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degrading
> the material to sell his supposedly *superior* steel frames. Note, it can
> actually be easier and cheaper to repair carbon!
>
> Btw, for those of you who don't believe it, CF can easily be repaired and
> there are several builders who do it. Here's one of the best:
>
> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/
>
> For photos go here:
>
> http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/repair-examples-photos/
>
> Good Luck!
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[RBW] Re: Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Interesting idea. Thanks for sharing. 

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:27:51 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends,
>
> I know there's been some previous discussion of not posting shameless 
> promotions; however, I really think the Slat Grill is a Rivish item that 
> you might not ever be aware of otherwise.   It's a really simple portable 
> camping grill perfect for a groovy S24O.  I have no vested interest in the 
> product other than I have one.  It's incredibly versitle and couldn't be 
> more simple. AND you can cook some really cool stuff on it.  Plus it's made 
> right here in Roseville, MN and the guy who designed it loves to eat great 
> food.  He cooked me a grilled pear with gorganzola cheese and honey that 
> was out of this world.  AND it fits in a Baggins Adam.
>
> Okay.  'nough said.
>
> http://huckberry.com/brands/356
>
> Liesl in hot-n-steamy minneapolis
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:03:55 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 
>
> Also to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot. 

 
Why does Grant continue to propagate such falsehood. Of course CARBON FIBER 
FRAMES CAN BE REPAIRED. Grants continued insistance that it "can't be 
fixed" makes him look petty and shows that he has no other way of degrading 
the material to sell his supposedly *superior* steel frames. Note, it can 
actually be easier and cheaper to repair carbon! 
 
Btw, for those of you who don't believe it, CF can easily be repaired and 
there are several builders who do it. Here's one of the best:
 
http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/
 
For photos go here:
 
http://www.calfeedesign.com/repair/repair-examples-photos/
 
Good Luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

[Bertin753]

I can't advise about the slipping FD except to conjecture that something is 
keeping the bolt from tightening as it should. But as to the rear, I expect 
that it is a matter of learning shifting finesse. I have only 7 on the rear, 
but they are separated by 9 sp spacers (because that is what I had) and the 
silver bes shifts them fine. The trick is not anticipate the Hyperglide 
feature: move the lever just that tiny bit that experience teaches you is 
required by the gap, and let the ramps, etc., do their work. That took me a 
while to learn. 

Patrick Moore
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On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:46 PM, Eric Peterson  wrote:

> I installed the Silvers on my Velo Orange rando bike and have been very 
> unhappy with their performance. There are two basic problems.
> 
> First, I experienced phantom shifting of the FD. The shifter cannot hold the 
> FD in place in the middle ring (on a Sugino triple). Instead, after a short 
> time, it will drop to the inner ring. This occurred over and over on my 
> recent 400K brevet and I was NOT happy, as I was always going up a hill at 
> the time. I am using a modern DA FD, so perhaps the spring tension is too 
> high for the shifter. But it is the FD that I have available. If there are 
> any specific models of older FDs that would alleviate this condition, please 
> send along this information, along with any suggestions for sources. 
> 
> The other problem is just as bad. The shifter will not shift a 9-speed 
> Shimano cassette very effectively. You think you have nailed it, then the 
> chain jumps one way or the other. It's like the micro-clicks simply cannot 
> position the chain close enough to the center of the cassette for some gears. 
> So there was a lot of chain hopping going on back there. After a while I just 
> stopped shifting sometimes and just stood on the pedals. 
> 
> Bottom line, I will remove these and go back to Shimano. 9-speed BES have 
> worked well for me in the past, but I did not want to route the cables along 
> the handlebar in order to avoid the front bag I am using, so I initially 
> tried DA 9-speed DT shifters, but the rear one felt a little loose, and lined 
> up funny with the left one (so I thought), but now I have little choice but 
> to go with one of these or the other.
> 
> Another option would be to go back to a 7/8 speed cassette, perhaps the 
> Silvers work well with those. But there is still the FD problem
> 
> Eric Peterson
> Naperville, IL
> 
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:24:10 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like them 
> a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm Hilsen or 
> 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on the pedals 
> during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD cage to rub on 
> the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during the Cascade 
> 1200k. 
> 
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on the 
> BE.
> 
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable mechanic. 
> And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
> 
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current drivetrain 
> is 8spd.
> 
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame and 
> my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been with the 
> Shimano shifters. 
> 
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> mike
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[PATRICK MOORE]

Video of Ur-Rivendell (look at the saddle and post!) beating CF.
No-retention pedals 'n' all! Whoo hoo!

http://xo.typepad.com/blog/2009/10/video-100yearold-bike-vs-tour-de-france-bike.html

The hefty blondes must be the control group. Dunno about the loudmouth
in the suit.

They are speaking Welsh.

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[RBW] Re: Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

[newenglandbike]

I don't have a tubus cosmo, but I do have a Tubus cargo and it works fine 
on a 65cm frame.  I hope yours works well on your setup.



On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:40:34 PM UTC-4, HKett wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard 
> blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses 
> against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, 
> and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder 
> at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before 
> I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have 
> experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> -Holger
>

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[RBW] Bringing Brian to RBW

[Cyclofiend Jim]

As I'd mentioned, Brian the Bike Locally Challenger (info here - 
http://bikelocally.wordpress.com/category/2012-challenge-winner/brian-jones 
and here - http://www.marinbike.org/Campaigns/BikeLocally/Challenge.shtml ) 
has some unique challenges when it comes to fitting him on a bike.  I'd had 
some stuff to pick up at RBW, so offered to take him over to be measured, 
fitted and shown what kinds of useful bikes can be fitted to him.  He got 
the "stump treatment" and Keven pulled the tape out to 102 cm, which puts 
him into the range of 71 Hilsen or 68 Hunqua/Hillborne sized frames. 

Took some photos, but I'll admit I was playing around on a variety of 
frames myself.  Once again grateful to Keven who was superb at talking 
about differences and preconceptions of fit, position and use.  Gave Brian 
a lot to think about.  Huge thanks to the gang at RBW (and the poster is 
pretty danged stunning...).

some photos - only of bikes.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157630407224566/

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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RE: [RBW] Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I have a 61cm Atlantis with a Cosmo, and it fits and works great.  Here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/in/set-72157624427413755


From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 7:41 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard blackburn 
rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses against my 
fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, and the Tubus 
Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder at the local bike 
shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before I wait a while, get 
it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have experience with the Cosmo and 
a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar?

Thanks in advance!

-Holger

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[RBW] For Sale 62cm Waterford RS-22 $2500.00

[Eric Chatham]

62cm in British Racing Green.
component Package: Full Shimano Ultegra
Wheel Manufacturer: DT Swiss RR1.1 with Chris King hubs
Fork Manufacturer: IRD Mosaic carbon...painted to match frame

Additional Information:
wheels were handbuilt by Waterford dealer. Saddle is Brooks Swift with ti
rails in British Racing Green to match the frame. Nitto  bar, stem, and
seatpost. Chris King headset and hubs. Brand new Speedplay pedals. Full
shop tuneup end of January this year and frame was sprayed with frame
saver. Just received bottle of touchup paint from Waterford and will be
touching up a few scratches. 3,855.4 miles. Original tires have been
replaced. Feel free to ask any questions. Pic is here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc245-ericchatham0207.html

Thanks for looking!
Eric 404-849-4185

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[RBW] Re: SALE or TRADE : SCHWINN Ladies' PARAMOUNT

[Charlie]

SOLD to a good home.
 
thanks for your interest
 
Charlie P
On Sunday, July 1, 2012 2:03:00 PM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:

> 1976 SCHWINN Ladies' PARAMOUNT - FRAMESET ( FRAME + FORK) 
>
> SCHWINN CALLES IT A 22" - IT ACTUALY MEASURES ABOUT  1/2" SMALLER. 
>
> IT IS IN LIKE NEW CONDITION - LOOKS LIKE IT WAS NEVER RIDDEN. 
>
> FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER ( NO PAY THING ) 
> SHIPPING AT THE ACTUAL COST. 
>
> TRADE FOR LIKE PARAMOUNT MENS 22" - 56 CM FRAMESET. 
>
> I CAN SEND PICTURES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU SEND A PHONE 
> NUMBER. 
>
> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/3043621534.html 
>
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST 
>
> CHARLIE PETRY 
>
> JENNERSVILLE PA 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: SALE or TRADE : SCHWINN Ladies' PARAMOUNT

[Charlie]

SOLD to A good home.
Thanks for the interest.
Charlie P

On Jul 1, 2:03 pm, Charlie  wrote:
> 1976 SCHWINN Ladies'PARAMOUNT- FRAMESET ( FRAME + FORK)
>
> SCHWINN CALLES IT A 22" - IT ACTUALY MEASURES ABOUT  1/2" SMALLER.
>
> IT IS IN LIKE NEW CONDITION - LOOKS LIKE IT WAS NEVER RIDDEN.
>
> FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER ( NO PAY THING )
> SHIPPING AT THE ACTUAL COST.
>
> TRADE FOR LIKEPARAMOUNTMENS 22" - 56 CM FRAMESET.
>
> I CAN SEND PICTURES AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU SEND A PHONE
> NUMBER.
>
> http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/bik/3043621534.html
>
> THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST
>
> CHARLIE PETRY
>
> JENNERSVILLE PA

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[RBW] Re: Find yourself again.

[Tony Lockhart]

I definitely agree with Amit, great job with the photos Manny. I haven't 
been to Riv HQ yet, but seeing these photos gives me a great idea what the 
place looks like. Boy, I wish we had trails like that in Los Angeles.

On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:21:26 AM UTC-7, Amit Singh wrote:
>
> You make nice art with your new camera, Manny.  
>
> Thanks for the photos and the adventure :)
>
> On Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:32:13 UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> You would think that pedaling people around on a bike would be fun. But 
>> after eight days it starts to feel more like a job. Go figure. 
>> Decided to remind myself why I enjoy biking s much, by going on a ride 
>> that didn't require three wheels. 
>> Great mileage today. Still can't find a direct route through Pleasanton 
>> Ridge from Palomares Rd without going through someones backyard. 
>> Stopped by Rivendell HQ to pick up a handful of things. 
>> Typical Rivendell day, people riding bikes, even the workers. 
>> Leave it to the wonderful folks at Rivendell to be the prime example of 
>> pedaling for fun. 
>>
>> Pictures proved I forgot to put sunscreen.
>> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAof4rw
>>
>> -Manny " Two wheels are better then three!" Acosta
>>
>

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[RBW] Dog Chapter in "Just Ride"

[James Warren]

Very funny.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!

[James Warren]

No. Sorry for the confusion. I was just excited about your bike joy. My own Atlantis is 64 cm, so a 56 cm LHT would never work.
 
Incidentally, I repainted my Atlantis red for its 10-year anniversery a year ago, and at that time, I added the midfork and midstay braze-ons for mini-racks.
 
Have fun riding!
-Jim W.
 

-Original Message- From: The Cripler Sent: Jul 2, 2012 11:55 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: James Warren Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis! 
Hey James
 
Were you responding to the question obout the LHT? If so email me off board and I'll give you the info.
 
On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:43:46 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
Yes!! -Original Message- >From: The Cripler  >Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:51 PM >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >Subject: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis! > >I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went  on a couple longer rides this weekend and down to the farmers market. While I loved my Surly LHT, the Altantis us just so much more enjoyable to ride. It also seems to climb better than the LHT. And what a head turner! I have had more compliments on this bike in one weekend than I have ever gotten on any of my other bikes. Thanks to all for the encouragement to purchase. Now...does anyone want to buy a 56cm olive green LHT? ;) > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/cDs7k3xMD20J. >To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. >To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. > 
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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I had to go look at my the v-brakes on my Sam to see how the fork
could get in their way. It's the pads, for anyone whi doesn't happen
to have that combo within easy looking distance.

Now I'm worried, though, having just ordered a pair of 37-622 Supremes
to replace the 32s I'm running at the moment.

Jay

On Jul 3, 5:52 pm, RJM  wrote:
> I just thought of another one...v-brakes. I love them, they work really
> well and I have to say I prefer them over cantis. Paul Components makes
> some really nice ones that are easy to setup and look nice, but I have a
> set of xt v-brakes on my Hillborne that work great. Only problem I have
> with them is the fork stops me from opening them up wide enough to fit a
> 38mm tire through without letting air out.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> > OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> > nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> > consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> > in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> > couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> > insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
> > 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
>
> > When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
> > gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26
> > and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
> > 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with
> > a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
> > manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
> > years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
> > believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
> > derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range
> >  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> > Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
> > helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> > S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
> > during your cycling career?
>
> > Michael

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[RBW] Slat Grill is poifect for the well-equipped, food-loving S24O

[Liesl]

Hi friends,

I know there's been some previous discussion of not posting shameless 
promotions; however, I really think the Slat Grill is a Rivish item that 
you might not ever be aware of otherwise.   It's a really simple portable 
camping grill perfect for a groovy S24O.  I have no vested interest in the 
product other than I have one.  It's incredibly versitle and couldn't be 
more simple. AND you can cook some really cool stuff on it.  Plus it's made 
right here in Roseville, MN and the guy who designed it loves to eat great 
food.  He cooked me a grilled pear with gorganzola cheese and honey that 
was out of this world.  AND it fits in a Baggins Adam.

Okay.  'nough said.

http://huckberry.com/brands/356

Liesl in hot-n-steamy minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Find yourself again.

[Amit Singh]

You make nice art with your new camera, Manny.  

Thanks for the photos and the adventure :)

On Tuesday, 3 July 2012 10:32:13 UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> You would think that pedaling people around on a bike would be fun. But 
> after eight days it starts to feel more like a job. Go figure. 
> Decided to remind myself why I enjoy biking s much, by going on a ride 
> that didn't require three wheels. 
> Great mileage today. Still can't find a direct route through Pleasanton 
> Ridge from Palomares Rd without going through someones backyard. 
> Stopped by Rivendell HQ to pick up a handful of things. 
> Typical Rivendell day, people riding bikes, even the workers. 
> Leave it to the wonderful folks at Rivendell to be the prime example of 
> pedaling for fun. 
>
> Pictures proved I forgot to put sunscreen.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAof4rw
>
> -Manny " Two wheels are better then three!" Acosta
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Cyclofiend]

On Jul 2, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Garth wrote:
Steve, My hypothesis is for each of us, if we wish, to look at our  
own prejudices towards a material we may actually know nothing  
about ! Just becasue so and so says it was this or that .  It may be  
true for them... but is it true for me ?  And if your favourite  
frame could be 5 pounds lighter for the same price  would you  
still choose your heavier one ? .. after all ... weight doesn't  
matter... right ?  lol :)



There are a couple of things to consider.

First, if you make the frame and fork out of CF, I think you would be  
hard pressed to remove 5 pounds vs a modern steel frame.  There just  
isn't that much difference.  To remove 5 or 10 pounds from a bicycle  
setup means you have to pursue minimizing weight in componentry as well.


Second, from working in the bicycle industry and the fishing/outdoor  
industry for a while, I've seen many, many, many Carbon Fiber failures  
- a number of which I've experienced firsthand.  The issue is - and  
always will be - the nature of the way CF fails.  In my direct  
experience, it fails catastrophically and with no warning.   It  
folds.  It splits. It severs. It cracks.(And Aluminum tends to  
fail in a similar fashion, though in my experience it at least gives  
more warning if you actively look for surface cracks.)  Once it takes  
a direct impact, you no longer trust it.


Way back in pre-history.  A Person Who Knows told me that the best  
bike is the one that gets you home. (It wasn't GP, by the way). I've  
kept that nugget in the back of my brain since then.  Even when I was  
getting transfixed by lighter and lighter bits, that kept getting more  
and more fiddly and idiosyncratic.  When I realized I was spending  
more time coaxing my bikes to work than riding them, I started to  
reassess the idea of weight meaning everything.


My bikes (well, all but my old soft-nose mtb which I don't really ride  
that much) are steel because it is the best material for me, the way I  
ride and my piece of mind when I'm rolling down the mountain at  
speed.Yeah, there are places you can focus on to sensibly remove  
excess weight, but the times that really matters (as has been pretty  
well documented) are pretty much when the road points upward.


- Jim / Cyclofiend.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Peter Morgano]

I have read the book too and dont take it as describing that CF fails more
often, its just that when it does it is catastrophic and sometimes deadly.
Steel, Aluminum and Titanium all fail too but its just that when they do it
is somewhat predicatable and less sudden, giving the rider time to
compensate or dismount the bike before something dangerous happens.  Also
to Grant's point steel can be fixed if it fails while CF cannot. As i
mentioned earlier I rode a "vintage" LOOK KG96 for a long time and had no
issues but if there was an issue I would not have seen it until the bike
collapsed under me, different from my old Peugot which developed a small
then increasingly larger crack around the BB to let me know it was time to
hang it up.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 4:47 AM, blueride2  wrote:

> I think CF bikes have their place in the world of cycling, and I certainly
> subscribe to "live and let live" as it applies to cycling. It should be
> "ride and let ride". The point is ride what you have, and try to have a
> good time doing it.Who can deny that riding in a pace-line at 20+ mph isn't
> a hoot? Not me, that's for sure. A good lightweight CF bike makes this a
> lot easier, than say a 26 pound steel bike.No, what is upsetting is the
> near total dominance of CF bikes in the market today. If riders could own
> just one bike, most of us, would be better served on a steel bike. More
> versatile for sure.
>
> I'm in the middle of "Just Ride" and find it a very enjoyable and
> interesting read. I do think Grant's off-base somewhat on the durability of
> CF frames. Having owned several CF bikes over a 10 year span, I haven't had
> a lick of trouble with any of them. No exploding or cracked frames, I even
> crashed one of them. Look at the millions of CF forks out there. If there
> was an issue with these forks self-destructing, the liability issue would
> quickly drive manufacturers out-of-business. Face it, CF bikes are here to
> stay.
> A well designed CF frame will last a long time. Hell, at times, I even
> ride CF wheels. Oh, the horror of it all!
>
> Having said that, I love steel bikes too. The ride quality just can't be
> beat, except maybe for Ti bikes, but I've never ridden nor owned one so I
> can't comment.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:02:53 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote:
>> >
>> > I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame
>> > with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the
>> > same price  which would you choose ?
>>
>> Steel, without question.  I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Cyclofiend]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, jimD wrote:


"It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts  
and bolts"!


Now THAT would be an ideal entry for the next RBW t-shirt contest!

- Jim "If you argue with a nut, sometimes it's hard to tell the  
difference..."


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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[blueride2]

I think CF bikes have their place in the world of cycling, and I certainly 
subscribe to "live and let live" as it applies to cycling. It should be 
"ride and let ride". The point is ride what you have, and try to have a 
good time doing it.Who can deny that riding in a pace-line at 20+ mph isn't 
a hoot? Not me, that's for sure. A good lightweight CF bike makes this a 
lot easier, than say a 26 pound steel bike.No, what is upsetting is the 
near total dominance of CF bikes in the market today. If riders could own 
just one bike, most of us, would be better served on a steel bike. More 
versatile for sure.

I'm in the middle of "Just Ride" and find it a very enjoyable and 
interesting read. I do think Grant's off-base somewhat on the durability of 
CF frames. Having owned several CF bikes over a 10 year span, I haven't had 
a lick of trouble with any of them. No exploding or cracked frames, I even 
crashed one of them. Look at the millions of CF forks out there. If there 
was an issue with these forks self-destructing, the liability issue would 
quickly drive manufacturers out-of-business. Face it, CF bikes are here to 
stay.
A well designed CF frame will last a long time. Hell, at times, I even ride 
CF wheels. Oh, the horror of it all!

Having said that, I love steel bikes too. The ride quality just can't be 
beat, except maybe for Ti bikes, but I've never ridden nor owned one so I 
can't comment.

Richard



On Monday, July 2, 2012 4:02:53 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame 
> > with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the 
> > same price  which would you choose ? 
>
> Steel, without question.  I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber. 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

[mike]

My favorite from the last 35 years?  LED lights and good rechargeable 
batteries.  That combo has made more of a change to my own riding than any 
other "thing" I can think of in that time.

I've discovered or tried out some good things in that time that are new to 
me, but the lighting change is what I like that's new to everybody.

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[RBW] For Sale; Phil, Campy, Mavic, JB 700c Wheelset

[Marc Schwartz]

Also for your consideration;

I have for sale the quality wheelset from my just recently sold 57cm Heron.

Front; 700c 36h; vintage late 70's- early 80's Campagnolo Record high flange 
hub. Cup & cone, Campy smooth. Mavic MA3 rim. Campy QR. Excellent used 
condition. Jack Brown Blue w/  approx 85% life remaining. $175 including 
oversize Shipping to L48.

Rear; 700c 36h; Phil casette hub, excellent-near new, 130mm. Mavic A719 rim. 
Generic Shimano-type QR. Sram 12-28 9sp casette. Excellent used condition. Jack 
Brown Blue w/ approx 70% life remaining. $275  including oversize Shipping to 
L48.

Set for $350 including oversize Shipping to L48.

 Photos and more info at your request; email mschw...@nmsu.edu. Many Thanks!

Regards,
Marc
mschw...@nmsu.edu

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Re: [RBW] Question about Riv site

[Cyclofiend]

Yes, I've noticed some site quirkiness along those lines

BUT!

For site issues and anything specific to the operation or  
responsiveness thereof, best to at least cc RBW directly:



http://www.rivbike.com/Articles.asp?ID=290

"Dave Schoenborg [email]

Model Specialties: Sam Hillborne, Simpleone.

Ever since July 2008. Email Dave with any website feedback, bug  
reports or broken links. "


and that email would be d...@rivbike.com

And I imagine it would be helpful to mention -

Computer type/Operating system
Browser and version
Time/Date specifics as to when and how those anomalies were occurring.

- Jim / moderator


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[RBW] Re: Question about Riv site

[Tom Bancroft]

Sometimes I find it hangs indefinitely, I have to click in the address bar 
and hit enter to resend. It usually loads instantly then.

-Tom
On Sunday, July 1, 2012 1:13:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Dear Abby: whenever I click on the url for the Rivendell Bicycle Works 
> site, the page grinds and grinds and grinds and, in other words, loads 
> very, very slowly, often timing out before loading. What can I do to 
> ease the pain? 
>
> [Enter your response here: 
>
> Patrick Moore, even now at this very moment --- aha! It just loaded. 
> 45 seconds. But the question stands. 
>
> -- 
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>
> Flannery O'Connor 
>
> - 
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> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
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[RBW] Re: DT shifter issues

[Eric Peterson]

I installed the Silvers on my Velo Orange rando bike and have been very 
unhappy with their performance. There are two basic problems.

First, I experienced phantom shifting of the FD. The shifter cannot hold 
the FD in place in the middle ring (on a Sugino triple). Instead, after a 
short time, it will drop to the inner ring. This occurred over and over on 
my recent 400K brevet and I was NOT happy, as I was always going up a hill 
at the time. I am using a modern DA FD, so perhaps the spring tension is 
too high for the shifter. But it is the FD that I have available. If there 
are any specific models of older FDs that would alleviate this condition, 
please send along this information, along with any suggestions for sources. 

The other problem is just as bad. The shifter will not shift a 9-speed 
Shimano cassette very effectively. You think you have nailed it, then the 
chain jumps one way or the other. It's like the micro-clicks simply cannot 
position the chain close enough to the center of the cassette for some 
gears. So there was a lot of chain hopping going on back there. After a 
while I just stopped shifting sometimes and just stood on the pedals. 

Bottom line, I will remove these and go back to Shimano. 9-speed BES have 
worked well for me in the past, but I did not want to route the cables 
along the handlebar in order to avoid the front bag I am using, so I 
initially tried DA 9-speed DT shifters, but the rear one felt a little 
loose, and lined up funny with the left one (so I thought), but now I have 
little choice but to go with one of these or the other.

Another option would be to go back to a 7/8 speed cassette, perhaps the 
Silvers work well with those. But there is still the FD problem

Eric Peterson
Naperville, IL

On Monday, July 2, 2012 10:24:10 AM UTC-5, Mike wrote:
>
> So I've been using Silver shifters for a few years now and overall like 
> them a lot with one exception. When I mount them on the DT on my 63cm 
> Hilsen or 63cm randonneuring bike, the front shifter slips when standing on 
> the pedals during a hard effort such as going over rollers causing the FD 
> cage to rub on the chain. This was exceptionally annoying last week during 
> the Cascade 1200k. 
>
> I've had the problem to a lesser degree when the shifters are mounted on 
> the BE.
>
> The shifter and cable are mounted correctly. This is an issue that has 
> persisted even when the shifters were installed by a knowledgeable 
> mechanic. And yes, the shifter is tightened down on the braze-on.
>
> I'm considering giving Shimano Dura Ace 9spd DT shifters a try. For folks 
> using them, any issues? I've looked for 8spd Dura Ace shifters, which I'd 
> prefer, but Shimano does not seem to be making them anymore. I may just go 
> with 9spd and run the rear shifter in friction mode as my current 
> drivetrain is 8spd.
>
> I'm thinking that this might just be an issue due to the size of my frame 
> and my weight--185lb. I'd be curious what others' experiences have been 
> with the Shimano shifters. 
>
> Oh, and if anyone has a pair of Dura Ace 8spd shifters for sale, let me 
> know.
>
> Thanks,
> mike
>
>
>

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[RBW] Tubus Cosmo and ~64cm Frame size?

[HKett]

Hi everyone, I have a 64cm Atlantis and right now I have a standard 
blackburn rack on it that is too small to get level and as thus presses 
against my fenders and causes rubbing. So I've decided to get a new rack, 
and the Tubus Cosmo looks perfect for what I want. I've placed a backorder 
at the local bike shop, but they won't get stock for a few weeks, so before 
I wait a while, get it, and realize it doesn't fit, does anyone have 
experience with the Cosmo and a ~64cm frame, Atlantis or similar?

Thanks in advance!

-Holger

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Re: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis!

[The Cripler]

Hey James
 
Were you responding to the question obout the LHT? If so email me off board 
and I'll give you the info.
 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 7:43:46 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

>
> Yes!! 
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> >From: The Cripler  
> >Sent: Jul 1, 2012 11:51 PM 
> >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
> >Subject: [RBW] Re: Help! Convince me to buy (or not buy) this Atlantis! 
> > 
> >I absolutely LOVE this bike! I went  on a couple longer rides this 
> weekend and down to the farmers market. While I loved my Surly LHT, the 
> Altantis us just so much more enjoyable to ride. It also seems to climb 
> better than the LHT. And what a head turner! I have had more compliments on 
> this bike in one weekend than I have ever gotten on any of my other bikes. 
> Thanks to all for the encouragement to purchase. Now...does anyone want to 
> buy a 56cm olive green LHT? ;) 
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Re: [RBW] Find yourself again.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Beautiful; I remember the Ca countryside and I wish we had more riding
like that around here.

So ... you pedal a pedicab? Job? Second job? Hobby?

It was lack of cash that made me sell my Ken Rogers, and though I
thoroughly enjoyed riding it, I must say that, after all is said and
done, riding a trike is not nearly as nice as riding a bike. I suppose
I am a dyed-in-the-wool two-wheeler.

Further along in that photo series there is P7020570: my GAWD! Does
someone really ride that thing as shown?? P7020572 seems much more
reasonable.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Manuel Acosta
 wrote:
> You would think that pedaling people around on a bike would be fun. But
> after eight days it starts to feel more like a job. Go figure.
> Decided to remind myself why I enjoy biking s much, by going on a ride that
> didn't require three wheels.
> Great mileage today. Still can't find a direct route through Pleasanton
> Ridge from Palomares Rd without going through someones backyard.
> Stopped by Rivendell HQ to pick up a handful of things.
> Typical Rivendell day, people riding bikes, even the workers.
> Leave it to the wonderful folks at Rivendell to be the prime example of
> pedaling for fun.
>
> Pictures proved I forgot to put sunscreen.
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAof4rw
>
> -Manny " Two wheels are better then three!" Acosta
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[RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

[RJM]

I just thought of another one...v-brakes. I love them, they work really 
well and I have to say I prefer them over cantis. Paul Components makes 
some really nice ones that are easy to setup and look nice, but I have a 
set of xt v-brakes on my Hillborne that work great. Only problem I have 
with them is the fork stops me from opening them up wide enough to fit a 
38mm tire through without letting air out. 
 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 11:43:13 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:

> OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a 
> nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So 
> consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested 
> in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant 
> couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain 
> insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last 
> 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!   
>
> When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical 
> gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26 
> and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a 
> 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with 
> a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and 
> manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30 
> years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I 
> believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear 
> derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range 
>  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>
> Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also 
> helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>
> S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment 
> during your cycling career? 
>
> Michael  
>

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[RBW] Find yourself again.

[Manuel Acosta]

You would think that pedaling people around on a bike would be fun. But 
after eight days it starts to feel more like a job. Go figure. 
Decided to remind myself why I enjoy biking s much, by going on a ride that 
didn't require three wheels. 
Great mileage today. Still can't find a direct route through Pleasanton 
Ridge from Palomares Rd without going through someones backyard. 
Stopped by Rivendell HQ to pick up a handful of things. 
Typical Rivendell day, people riding bikes, even the workers. 
Leave it to the wonderful folks at Rivendell to be the prime example of 
pedaling for fun. 

Pictures proved I forgot to put sunscreen.
http://flic.kr/s/aHsjAof4rw

-Manny " Two wheels are better then three!" Acosta

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Re: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

[Kenneth Stagg]

But that's not from the last 35 years If we're talking in general
then I'd say the safety bike followed by pneumatic tires.

-Ken

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 AM, James Warren  wrote:
>
> Wait, it has to be the quick release.
>
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Eric Platt wrote:
>
> My favorite?  Might be the larger sized frame Surly LHT available with 26"
> wheels.  Am able to realize what I had been trying to get my bikes to do
> back in the mid 1980's.  Somewhat wide tires, with long chainstays and drop
> bars.
>
> And yes, an Atlantis will do the same thing, but frame sizes above 56
> restrict one to 700C wheels.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:38 PM, ted  wrote:
>>
>> 42/52 and 13-23 eh? I recall 44/52 and a 14-18 straight block.
>> Of course after 30+ years and a relocation, now I'm thinking about
>> 28/44 and a 12-36.
>>
>> On Jul 2, 9:43 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
>> > OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
>> > nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
>> > consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be
>> > interested
>> > in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
>> > couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
>> > insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the
>> > last
>> > 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
>> >
>> > When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
>> > gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a
>> > 13-26
>> > and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle
>> > a
>> > 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now
>> > with
>> > a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
>> > manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
>> > years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
>> > believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
>> > derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider
>> > range
>> >  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
>> >
>> > Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
>> > helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
>> >
>> > S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
>> > during your cycling career?
>> >
>> > Michael
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: My favorite bike invention!

[James Warren]

Wait, it has to be the quick release.


On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:08 PM, Eric Platt wrote:

> My favorite?  Might be the larger sized frame Surly LHT available with 26" 
> wheels.  Am able to realize what I had been trying to get my bikes to do back 
> in the mid 1980's.  Somewhat wide tires, with long chainstays and drop bars. 
>  
> And yes, an Atlantis will do the same thing, but frame sizes above 56 
> restrict one to 700C wheels.
>  
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
> 
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 7:38 PM, ted  wrote:
> 42/52 and 13-23 eh? I recall 44/52 and a 14-18 straight block.
> Of course after 30+ years and a relocation, now I'm thinking about
> 28/44 and a 12-36.
> 
> On Jul 2, 9:43 am, Michael Hechmer  wrote:
> > OK, admittedly a bit, ok a lot, off topic... but Riv people have a
> > nuanced relationship with technological biking "advancements."  So
> > consider this a philosophical inquiry. (Perhaps even GP will be interested
> > in this unscientific survey) Yesterday as I was out for a very pleasant
> > couple of hours riding in the Green Mountains on my Ram, I had a certain
> > insight into what has added the most to my cycling pleasure during the last
> > 35 years.  It was clear.  The "compact crank"!
> >
> > When I took up cycling, as an adult, with full Campy equipment,typical
> > gearing was a 52/42 mated to a 13-23.  Even then being wimpy I used a 13-26
> > and discovered that despite Campy's claims my NR derailler would handle a
> > 28.  Still big hills, let alone mountain passes, were agonizing.  Now with
> > a 44/30 & 11/28, I can cruise up 8% grades in a near 1 to 1 ratio, and
> > manage the occasional  10-14% ramp without distress even though I am 30
> > years older.  Of course longer 10+% mountain climbs want lower gears.  I
> > believe that the compact crank has also driven both front and rear
> > derailler development, yielding crisp shifting over just enough wider range
> >  to make a go-fast set up appropriate for  tackling lots of hills.
> >
> > Of course, learning the speed and joy are independent variables has also
> > helped a lot.  But pain and joy are not.
> >
> > S what bicycle development has added the most to your enjoyment
> > during your cycling career?
> >
> > Michael
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[RBW] Re: The Poster--What to do now that you have it

[islaysteve]

Given the prices some here are posting, I might have to order the supplies 
and do it myself.  I have an idea of the type of frame I want, so as to 
compliment the style and period look of the poster.  I will probably take 
it to the framer that I've used before for an estimate.  Cheers everyone, 
Steve


On Saturday, June 30, 2012 6:12:09 PM UTC-4, Mike On A Bike wrote:
>
> I had no idea how (seemingly) crazy expensive pro framing is. I was 
> quoted $150-300 depending on how fancy by a local frame shop. 
>
> I'd really like to split the middle between museum-quality display and 
> thumbtacks in the wall... what are the options? I really like 
> William's idea of frameless mounting on inch thick sturdy stuff. 
> Anybody have similarly less costly options? 
>
> On Jun 30, 5:47 pm, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote: 
> > I got mine framed and matted. 
> > 
> > Semi-fancy frame, colored matte to match the print, UV protectant glass 
> to 
> > protect the colors, and a slip on back to house the "info" that came 
> with 
> > it. With labor, it came to about $230. 
> > 
> > Kevin 
> > in steamy Humboldt Park, Chicago

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[RBW] Re: The Poster

[islaysteve]

Thanks for sharing this Zack.  I was wondering what DLG would write about 
this poster, having read his other writings on the poster site.  His 
reference to the Sacramento Bee is cool, since I grew up reading (no 
delivering) that paper.I have my poster now and can say that no 
computer image can do it justice.  No one who orders one should be 
disappointed.  Steve

On Monday, July 2, 2012 2:19:53 PM UTC-4, Zack wrote:
>
> Just got mine today.  Love it.  Beautiful stuff.
>
> Also, since I waited for the surprise, I of course now wanted to see it on 
> the riv site and on the DLG site, and came across the description on the 
> DLG site of the poster, and loved it, wanted to share:
>
> *In 1957 I was 12 years old. I had a paper route for the Sacramento Bee; 
> I had a bicycle; I had money; I had freedom. That's pretty much what the 
> bicycle meant in the pre-automobile era: freedom. Freedom from parental 
> supervision, to be precise. Pre-automobile in the 1890s meant that there 
> weren't any automobiles yet. Pre-automobile in the 1950s meant that you 
> weren't old enough to drive. When you reached 16 and got your driver's 
> license, you left your bike to your kid brother and cranked up the family 
> Ford. Bicycles were children's toys, something you left behind when you 
> attained a man's estate.*
>
> *In the 1960s, college students rode bicycles because they were fast, 
> cheap, and campus parking was free. The bicycle again became a symbol of 
> youthful exuberance, anti-establishment hipness and freedom, only this time 
> of freedom from the tyranny and expense of the automobile.*
>
> *We have become as little children again, riding our bikes and having fun.
> *
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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Garth]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Review of "Just Ride."

[Joe Bernard]

I can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. Lugs. You can try to spec a 
CF frame to duplicate a Rivendell all you want, but you're still not gonna 
get pretty lugs and contrasting creme panels. No CF for me..I'd miss the 
lugs, and I don't trust that thin plastic. I watch a lot of Formula One 
auto racing, and I've seen a lot of CF cars wreck: that stuff snaps into 
lethal shards. Nuh uh.
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

On Monday, July 2, 2012 9:07:45 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:

> I agree with Steve, and share his wholehearted disinterest in CF. 
>
> Riding a bike, for me, has nothing to do with eking out every milligram of 
> performance. A customer lady asked me last week if I was a "racer". My 
> response was an entirely unplanned and unrehearsed: "Nope, I ride my bike 
> for transportation, recreation, and adventure." I think that about sums it 
> up. Because these endeavors usually don't benefit much, if any, from a 
> couple pounds either way, CF holds no appeal for me. If it happens someday 
> that CF frames become as tough and versatile and inexpensive as a Surly 
> Cross-Check, I might reconsider, but then again, why bother? 
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 2, 2012 3:02:53 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 12:59 -0700, Garth wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I wonder  if everyone had the choice of their favorite Riv frame 
>> > with the exact same dimensions, in both steel and CF for about the 
>> > same price  which would you choose ? 
>>
>> Steel, without question.  I have no interest whatever in carbon fiber. 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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