[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread samh
NIce! What size? On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:02:34 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote: Thanks to this group for all of the advice and parts! Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/sets/72157632922170151/is my Sam, finally built up in time for my birthday this week. Basic parts list: Riv

Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread James Chang
Wow Manny. You competed all 300K? That's quite an achievement. Looks like a lovely ride. James Chang On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Joe K kube...@aol.com wrote: Saw your pics. I am envious. All those miles of beautiful road and scenery. (Speaking as a resident of NYC.) (I wouldn't

[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread Edwin W
It's a 60. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Goodmann
Nice! Looking forward to having Riv build up mine with albatross bars, as well. Meanwhile, I just picked up a new-to-me 55 cm orange XO-1 . . . On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:02:34 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote: Thanks to this group for all of the advice and parts! Here

[RBW] Re: pedal across wisconsin?

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Goodmann
The June dates *should* give you fairly mild weather (hoping this coming summer will be more merciful to farmers than the last), and the area of the ride, stretching from Kettle Moraine, east of Madison, to New Glarus, southwest of Madtown, has some hills, but not so much as the country lying

[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger
Very nice looking bike. I always loved the orange Sams. David Charlotte, NC On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:02:34 PM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote: Thanks to this group for all of the advice and parts! Here http://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/sets/72157632922170151/is my Sam, finally built up in

[RBW] Re: pedal across wisconsin?

2013-03-11 Thread Matthew J
The Driftless areas of Southwestern Wisconsin, Southeastern Minnesota, Northwestern Iowa and Northeastern Illinois* are among the more beautiful non-mountainous areas one could ever hope to encounter. Upper Mississippi River valley in both Wisconsin and Minnesota is lovely country.

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Mike
- Understand the wonderful healing properties of Slim Jims. I say the same thing about corn dogs. http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/4468436719/ Looks like the ride to nowhere was fun. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread Mike
Edwin, your Sam looks great. Hope you have a great birthday ride on it. --mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Tim
Can anyone out there recommend a good wheelbuilder in the New Haven, CT area? I have a Synergy rim that was cracking, which Velocity is replacing, and I want to get it built locally. Thanks for your help. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners

[RBW] Death Valley Video Now Online

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris
My video of the Death Valley Double Century is now online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6nzy-3U34 Enjoy! (Riv content: Rode lugged steel, shifted with friction, sat on leather, carried Nigel Smythe and Baggins bags.) --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog:

[RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger
50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a fixed/free wheel for my SimpleOne over the weekend. Not sure I am in love with fixed, but I will give it a couple of weeks before flipping it to the free side. Think I will have to relearn habits. I have a couple of big hills to roll

RE: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Pics? From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Spranger Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 11:28 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO 50 years old and I had never tried fixed gear, so I built a

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread David Spranger
I'll take some pics and post tonight. I am using a 42t chainring with a 15t fixed cog. On Monday, March 11, 2013 11:32:53 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote: Downhills are the worst. What's your gearing? --Eric campyo...@me.com javascript: www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org Blog:

RE: [RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Larry Powers
Maybe not quite local but Bruce Miller at Berlin Bicycle has built the wheels on all my Rivendels and Tandems. I have not had a problem with any of the wheels he has built for me. Larry Powers Get a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013

[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread Earl Grey
A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only took a year to develop mold spots in northern Thailand. Just an aesthetic concern, but worth a note. I then swapped bars a couple of times (noodles to moustaches to VO porteurs) and haven't bothered retaping at all. Am

[RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi
I love the look of bare Nitto-- great not-shiny look. Too bad it gets darn cold and darn hot here in the Boston area! On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:27:41 PM UTC-4, Earl Grey wrote: A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only took a year to develop mold spots in

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
David: Welcome to the fixed gear club. You do know, do you not, that there is now no turning back? No, none at all. Downhills are the biggest bane of fixed gear riding. Uphills are fine once you develop your high torque muscles and, even more important, your mental outlook: you learn to pace

Re: [RBW] Re: Does shellaced tape feel crusty?

2013-03-11 Thread PATRICK MOORE
What about sweat? I've not ridden bare bars very much, but when I did, barehanded, I always sweated and always hated the slippery and yucky feeling. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: A tropical data point: cloth tape with two or three coats of shellac only

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Lyle Bogart
David, Congratulations on your foray into fixed gear riding! As Patrick mentioned, climbing is fun on a fixed gear--I don't know why, but it really is--but I must say I don't mind the downhills. I've had some pretty ferocious spins going in the past but, if I try to actually keep up with the

[RBW] Re: Death Valley Video Now Online

2013-03-11 Thread hsmitham
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing. Hugh Sunland, CA On Monday, March 11, 2013 7:29:05 AM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: My video of the Death Valley Double Century is now online: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv6nzy-3U34 Enjoy! (Riv content: Rode lugged steel, shifted with friction, sat on

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Manuel Acosta
@ Michael Training? I don't think I really made an effort to plan my riding to make it liable for any training. My training varied from doing my commute to work twice a week to doing hard, fast and short rides over the weekend. But in terms of mileage don't think I did a ride longer then 60

[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot Frame/Fork/HS/BB/etc.

2013-03-11 Thread ColonelJLloyd
I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you an email directly. On Thursday, March 7, 2013 8:28:16 AM UTC-5, colinthehippie wrote: Update to this: upon further inspection, it appears the chainstays are damaged from the use of a kickstand. That is, they have

[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread samh
I guess I must have good enough technique to not to have experienced it ;) I really don't think it has anything to do with shifting technique. I have triple's on mountain bikes that get muddy, and I've never experienced chain suck while riding them. Sometimes my mountain bikes are sporting

[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Bleriot Frame/Fork/HS/BB/etc.

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
many users post this, so I'm just going to mention it here: I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you an email directly. If you are viewing the group through the web - i.e. you are logged into google or gmail and see this as a threaded discussion in a web

[RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
many users post this in one form or another, so I'm just going to tack this here for a while: I'd like to see pics. I'm new to the list and I don't see how to send you an email directly. If you are viewing the group through the web* - i.e. you are logged into google or gmail and see this

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
Congratulations, Manny! That sounds and looks like an epic ride! Going long distance is a whole other beastie than the 40-60 mile range (distance can be deceptive, as terrain and road/trail conditions can make 10 miles be like 40 on pavement). My longest ride on my Hunqa is 70 (so far) with 3

[RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Hmmm... downhill with low-load and brand new components is definitely weird. I'd suspect a stiff chain link before blaming an inherent design flaw. (And just to restate it, we're talking about chainsuck with the chain not letting go of the chainring from the 6 o'clock position, and climbing

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
The comfort at descending will come. What I found helpful was to use the brakes to a specific point on known hills, then let loose. At first, it was half way down, then 3/4's and then eventually the whole thing. It takes a while to develop that release of the legs while your upper body and

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
ha... just remembered this: http://www.cyclofiend.com/fixed/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Passed along congrats in different online venues, but here's another one Manny! Well ridden. Well related. Keep it rolling! - Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post

2013-03-11 Thread Seth Vidal
minor nit pick - but I don't think there is any flash on the basic mail reader in gmail at all. I run w/o flash enabled, frequently, and everything works. -sv On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Cyclofiend Jim cyclofi...@earthlink.netwrote: many users post this in one form or another, so I'm

[RBW] Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
The concurrent thread on fixed bikes triggered a question I've long had -- how feasible is a fixed gear for living in an area with long, steep climbs/descents? What gearing would make sense? In general the climbs range from 4-7 mph, descents up to 45mph or more. There are a lot of other wants

Re: [RBW] Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris
Patrick: Yes, it can be done. A few of us crazy fixie riders went across the USA in 2006 on fixed gears--including crossing the Sierras, Nevada, the Wasatch Range, and the Rockies (topping out at Monarch Pass, elev 11,312). Ideally, in the mountains you will have a flip-flop hub that will let

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Fixed-gear is fun, but it has an added limitation over freewheeling single-speeds in that you can't coast. Gear it low to climb hills, and it'll spin your legs off going down the other side (use good brakes, two of them). Gear it high enough that you can handle the spin downhill, and you will

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread William
I'm not a fixed gear rider, but I have read many accounts of doing very ambitious mountain climbs on a fixie. The 100% constant among those accounts, which I think might be a non-starter for you, is that they all used clipless pedals. Climbing a hill in a far-too-tall gear is made much more

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Eric Norris
I have always ridden with cleated pedals on my fixes. With all due respect to those who prefer to ride without cleats, I think there is considerable danger in trying to keep one's feet on the pedals when descending at high speed … and once you've lost contact with the pedal at 150rpm, you won't

Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Goodmann
Your conjecture makes a lot of sense to me, Jim: chain slack might be the leading element, suggesting careful maintenance in that regard. I'm new to Rivendells, and as I check out frames for sale, I can't help but notice the frequency of scarring to the drive-side stay, so I asked. On Mon, Mar

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB
*How I Learned To Stop Coasting And Love The Spin * Isn't that the subtitle to Dr StrangeLegs? On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:51:49 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: ha... just remembered this: http://www.cyclofiend.com/fixed/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] First commute on fixed SO

2013-03-11 Thread William
Slow clapstanding On Monday, March 11, 2013 1:11:22 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote: *How I Learned To Stop Coasting And Love The Spin * Isn't that the subtitle to Dr StrangeLegs? On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:51:49 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote: ha... just remembered this:

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Lynne Fitz
Beautiful pictures! And congrats on finishing a 300k! On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:35:25 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Good time riding to nowhere and back. Doing my first Populaire last year I got to riding with Esteban who told me when nearing the end of his 300k and there's a zen

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Michael
Manny, Thanks for the info. I am not one that likes training. You seem like a daily, riding-for-fun, non-trainer also, so I was wondering how you prepared. I did a metric century and a 75 miler last year based in my 12 mile round trip commutes for training and it worked out fine, except my

Re: [RBW] Re: Noob question of the week: what's the deal with chain suck?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Thanks, Jim, RE: conjecture. Does chain suck happen more often with certain types of derailers? I would guess that ones with weaker chain-tensioner springs would chain suck more often. (Perhaps something w/long cage vs short cage given the chain angle.) Seems like the chain-suck descriptions

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks, all! The danger of leg flailing descents combined with my mandate to ride barefoot matches the conclusion I came to logically thinking about this (and thus ruling it out for me). But part of me was hoping for a magic answer. Grin. The good news is, I can choose to ride in only one gear

[RBW] Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

2013-03-11 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
From the comments in my other post about riding in the area just east of the Columbia River Gorge, it sounds like there might be some interest in doing a Riv ride out that way. An if you organize it, they will come sort of thing. I was eyeing April 6th (Saturday) to organize some sort of PDX

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Jeremy Till
I've done a fair amount of hilly fixed gear and SS riding around the SF Bay Area, including climbing Mt. Tamalpais and Mt. Diablo numerous times as well as regular riding in the Berkeley Hills and Marin Headlands (which would be called Mountains back where I'm from in massachusetts). As

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Shoji Takahashi
Hi Patrick, I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear wheel with the Whitehead Industries ENO hub. It's a fixed/free hub designed for vertical dropouts (which I think Hunqapillar has?).

Re: [RBW] Good Connecticut wheel builder?

2013-03-11 Thread Tim
Thanks Larry. Berlin isn't too awful far, so I think I may well give Bruce a call. By the way, what kind of a Riv presence is there in CT? I'm working here for an extended period of time. On Monday, March 11, 2013 12:05:01 PM UTC-4, Larry Powers wrote: Maybe not quite local but Bruce

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
Thanks, Shoji. I have a single speed now. 24 of them actually. Grin. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, March 11, 2013 2:50:48 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote: Hi Patrick, I enjoy riding fixed, but I also like my geared bike. To tickle your curiosity, you may want to consider getting a rear

[RBW] WTB 28c Ruffy Tuffy Tires

2013-03-11 Thread Marty
Need a pair for a new build. Any out there gathering dust? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Bryan
I rode fixed gear on a commute bike for a couple of years in the Midwest and really liked it. It was perfect for flat to rolling terrain. I even rode a couple of centuries on it. Now living back in California, I've rediscovered the thrill of long, fast descents. I still love the simplicity and

[RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

2013-03-11 Thread Davidbea
What bar are you running? On Thursday, March 7, 2013 10:26:03 PM UTC-5, Pondero wrote: Hi David, I'm using a Sugino triple, 8-speed cassette, and moved my Silver friction shifters to the bar ends. All this on my 56cm AHH 650b. I couldn't be happier. -- You received this message because

Re: [RBW] Re: New AHH 56cm 650B Build

2013-03-11 Thread Davidbea
Great. Just back from a ride on my MB-5 with VO hammered fenders to find tracking says my Homer frameset arrives tomorrow. The ice is till along the Friendship Trail but a beautiful day. Now to start putting the pieces of the new bike together. David

[RBW] Re: Eastern OR/Columbia Gorge Riv Ride?

2013-03-11 Thread Mike
Of course I'm interested. I'll talk with my wife about it. Hopefully I can get a pass for the whole weekend. I have a feeling it'll be a go as I'm sitting out randonneuring this year and won't be doing any camping or touring this summer due to the arrival of our child in Aug. Looping from Dufur

Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
I can say from experience that you don't need long training miles to finish the ride if you have some good intensity in your training. What you just can't train for is to figure out what your body is going to say about the food you are eating on the second day of a 600k. I got a little sour

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Philip Williamson
On Sunday, the Quickbeam and I climbed 1000 feet on Pressley Rd in Sonoma, and descended Sonoma Mt Rd. Flat pedals, no retention except grip tape. http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8547042814/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/8525218381/ Brakes, and the Surly Dingle cog

Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
I benefited greatly from applying Phil Maffetone's Maximum Aerobic Function (keep your heart rate at or below (180 - age = MAF). His Big Book of Endurance Training was very helpful. I now run up mountains far more easily because I have a solid aerobic base. With abandon, Patrick On Monday,

[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wow. Nice. Someday I'd love to give that a try! With abandon, Patrick On Monday, March 11, 2013 6:11:48 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote: On Sunday, the Quickbeam and I climbed 1000 feet on Pressley Rd in Sonoma, and descended Sonoma Mt Rd. Flat pedals, no retention except grip tape.

Re: [RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread Peter Morgano
I hate to say it but back in the days of my youth I when I had ride my fixie down steep descents I would just put my feet on the shoulders of the fork crown and let the cranks spin menacingly below me. I always had brakes, though and would slow down enough at the bottom to catch up with the

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Tom Goodmann
Congratulations--and thanks for sharing your photos and the nuggets of wisdom gained in your quest! Understand the wonderful healing properties of Slim Jims is my favorite, at a first pass. --Tom On Sunday, March 10, 2013 11:35:25 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote: Good time riding to nowhere

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Ely Rodriguez
Too funny. Indeed, this is why I put a beef jerky outer sleeve on the left side of that little brevet bag I make. No joke. And yes, I too have been dropped by everyone, on every type of bike. Good job Manny, Ely On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:35:25 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Good time riding

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Kellie Stapleton
Congrats!! I'm looking to do my first populaire later this year on my new Rivendell. On Sunday, March 10, 2013 8:35:25 PM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote: Good time riding to nowhere and back. Doing my first Populaire last year I got to riding with Esteban who told me when nearing the end of his

Re: [RBW] Replying Directly to The Author of a Post

2013-03-11 Thread Leslie
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[RBW] Re: Fixed Bike in the Mountains?

2013-03-11 Thread grant
Everybody who's curious should indulge themselves with a fixie or a single speed, and it *can* make sense. On flat roads a fixed makes pedaling easier, because the momentum of the bike turns the pedals for you. That's why you can climb easier and faster on a fixed than on a coastable--as long

[RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread Manuel Acosta
After a couple of rando events under my belt I now understand the major rule about any rando event. When it comes to the experience of the actually event in the end the mileage doesn't matter. One of my buddies when I first embarked on these types of ride told me something that stuck with me

Re: [RBW] Re: Understand your limitations.

2013-03-11 Thread cyclotourist
Bumming food is what bicycling is all about! On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 8:37 PM, Manuel Acosta manueljohnaco...@hotmail.com wrote: After a couple of rando events under my belt I now understand the major rule about any rando event. When it comes to the experience of the actually event in the

[RBW] Re: New to me Sam

2013-03-11 Thread Jim M.
Excellent looking build! Happy birthday! jim m wc ca -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

[RBW] Quickbeam/Simpleone rear whell question

2013-03-11 Thread Michael Williams
Hey group,I was wondering what QB/SO owners use to hold their rear wheel in place. I had a locking skewer, and that worked well, but it broke. Do most use quick release skewers? And if so, do I need to get and older quick release because the spacing for QB is 120 and modern QR

Re: [RBW] Quickbeam/Simpleone rear whell question

2013-03-11 Thread cyclotourist
QR that came with it. Never any problem. On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com wrote: Hey group,I was wondering what QB/SO owners use to hold their rear wheel in place. I had a locking skewer, and that worked well, but it broke. Do most use

[RBW] Spring Seattle 200k

2013-03-11 Thread Brian Hanson
My 2nd 200k with the Seattle Randonneurs happened on Saturday. We had a glorious sunny day that made it up into the 60s. I rode the whole way with fellow Rambouillet riv-guy CurryBruce, and saw one other blue Ram on the ride. The Hilsen did pretty well other than one nice chainsuck that caused