Re: [RBW] Re: Happy Betty-versary to Me

2014-08-18 Thread cyclotourist
August sounds like a good month! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Happy Betty-versary to you! It's so wonderful to hear how much people enjoy their bikes, and somehow Rivendells bring out

[RBW] Re: Anyone running a TA Zephyr Light (compact double) crankset on their Rambouillet?

2014-08-18 Thread ascpgh
Yes, JIS SKF. I can't recall whether it was the 116 or 121mm, they advise to go the smaller if on the line. I could pop the arms and measure if really interested. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Sunday, August 17, 2014 3:06:15 AM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote: If so, could you share what bottom bracket

[RBW] Re: Great Scenery..Pro Challenge Colorado

2014-08-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
Yowza! Someone thought through the Colorado monsoon season factor well, presuming they were seeking to maximize exposure to lightening. Why the late starts? Viewership? Perhaps the organizer is a newbe to Colorado. The good news is that at the higher elevations, hail is usually pea-sized.

Re: [RBW] How would you build it?

2014-08-18 Thread Michael Hechmer
Tubulars - Campy NR Hubs (32 spokes), Campy Chronus Victory rims, Specialized Race Slick tires. Professional Build Clinchers - White Ind Hubs (28/32 spokes), Mavic Open Pro Rims, Grand Bois Cerf GreenLabel tires. Self Build. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:54:17 PM UTC-4, ted wrote: Pray

[RBW] Re: Happy Betty-versary to Me

2014-08-18 Thread Liesl
Hearty congratulations to you, Cecily, and to Betty! Every time I'm on this bike she brings a smile to my face. That, my friend, is what it's all about! We feel the same here at my house about our Rivs. -RCW -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread Ron Mc
Close shouldn't be a problem, because it minimizes torsion on the cage. I take the clear a penny approach when adjusting height of my FD - a penny resting against the large ring should clear the cage all the way around. From this photo,

[RBW] Re: Nitto NR-20?

2014-08-18 Thread Takashi
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lz8T7PNM2TA/U_HyAq5b7oI/AAs/e1Vi4FQsaVY/s1600/img021.jpg The rear rack in this photo is not exactly the same one (I think it's made by Toei, not Nitto), but you get idea of how it looks when it's mounted on a bike. Takashi 2014年8月16日土曜日 3時59分56秒

[RBW] Grant Reading in Reno September 4th

2014-08-18 Thread Addison Wilhite
Just officially announced. A great venue, a great cause, and it should be loads of fun. If anyone in the area makes the drive over let me know and we can set up a little ride around my favorite Biggest Little City. My wife will be on her Betty and I'll be on my AR. More details:

[RBW] Re: Happy Betty-versary to Me

2014-08-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
Fantastic! With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group,

Re: [RBW] How would you build it?

2014-08-18 Thread ted
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[RBW] Re: FS: 64cm AHH

2014-08-18 Thread ctbiker
Thanks for pointing that out Bill. I carefully measured CTC again and came out with 24.75 which translates to 63. It also looks like my asking price is too high so, my new price is $1800 + shipping. Ray On Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:43:48 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: It's probably

Re: [RBW] Panniers: Carsick vs. Sackville opinions?

2014-08-18 Thread Peter Adler
There are roll-top pannier people, and there are flappy-top pannier people. The only way to find out which one you *really* are is to buy the other kind of panniers, ride around with them for a while, and realize how much you hate them. I used to ride around town with a full set of purple

[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread jphillip...@icloud.com
Hi everyone, It seems to me the original poster, grrlyrida, just needed a helpful, Remember, you will need to check and maybe tighten your shifters on a (regular basis or every 50 miles or once a week or...and this is how you do it yourself:... :) I think what may have been missed

[RBW] Re: Touring Shoes/Pedals

2014-08-18 Thread Sean Kline
Not a lot to add to the thread. I have dual Shimano A530 SDP pedals (http://www.rosebikes.com/article/shimano-spd-pd-a530-pedals/aid:221944), which have worked well for me on tours. I just finished a 12-day tour from Portland to San Francisco on my new Sam and went the first half way with

[RBW] Re: FS/WTT: Large Olive Sackville Saddlebag

2014-08-18 Thread Antonioni Vicente
Sold! On Saturday, August 9, 2014 2:53:01 PM UTC-7, Antonioni Vicente wrote: large olive sackville saddlebag in excellent condition $195 + shipping Purchased new from Riv a year ago. It's been on 2 overnighters and a handful of day rides but not much more. Too big fer me and I dont

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Goshen Peter
color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM, jphillip...@icloud.com jphillip...@icloud.com wrote: Hi everyone, It seems to me the original poster, grrlyrida, just needed a helpful,

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/18/2014 10:47 AM, Goshen Peter wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? Me too. I should think torsion on the frame would be more related to rider strength than weight. -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread lungimsam
That's bizarre. You would think a derailer wouldn't break like that at that place because any pressure/ movement would make the derailer move, not resist and break. Does the chain sometimes jam between the big ring and the derailer when shifting into the large ring? That's the only thing I can

[RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell Barsack or Berthoud bag

2014-08-18 Thread Sean Cleary
Ryan? On Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:00:07 AM UTC-5, Sean Cleary wrote: On Saturday, August 16, 2014 11:47:35 PM UTC-5, Abcyclehank wrote: Sorry Sean Don't know where my mind got the Ron from. Regardless I do have a new Grey Grid that I have contemplated moving. Ryan I sent you a

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Johnny Alien
I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- You received

[RBW] Re: Anyone running a TA Zephyr Light (compact double) crankset on their Rambouillet?

2014-08-18 Thread George Schick
Symmetrical on the 119mm Phil, I assume? The TA is symmetrical. Since this setup works it will probably be the next one I install in my Zephyr configuration. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:56:42 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote: I had a 60cm Ram and used a 119 Philwood jis bb. After I sold the Ram

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread Ron Mc
a derailleur cage is a C-shaped channel. Pulling the chain in either direction puts opening loads on the sides and especially inside corners of the channel. You would hope it's not going to fatigue, but that's the failure mode, slow crack growth. On Monday, August 18, 2014 9:58:11 AM

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread Michael Hechmer
The only FD I have broken in 35 years was the clamp on a pretty Chorus. 16 is a big lift and does stress the derailler, getting the chain stuck between the derailler and ring could weaken the joint. The bottom of the derailler has more flex while the top is secured, so maybe that contributed

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread Ron Mc
alignment could be a factor here, too. If the cage is grabbing the chain way far back on the cage, that puts a very big moment at the cracked corners. This load would be minimized by having the derailleur aligned to contact the chain as far forward on the cage as possible. On Monday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Goshen Peter
So if someone was on a 52 Sam and weighed 300 they should be ok, right? I think frame size probably matters alot more than rider weight. Maybe Grant was assuming we all have proportional height and weight, oh if only, hahaha. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Curtis McKenzie
On my 67 AHH I just fiddle with and gently tighten the wing nut as I am riding along. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So if someone was on a 52 Sam and weighed 300 they should be ok, right? I think frame size probably matters alot more than rider

[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

2014-08-18 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I like the look of the Trinity but really want a visor. I will check out the Bishop. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 4:50:23 PM UTC-6, Garth wrote: If you like the fit of a Giro or Bell, it's a good bet you'll like another . These Giro's looks nice :)

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread Ron Mc
Michael, 26T to 42T step on my Cyclotouriste with a venerable Shimano 600EX FD is a simple click and noiseless transition - chain suck is impossible on this setup. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:41:55 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: The only FD I have broken in 35 years was the clamp on a

[RBW] Re: fs: Nitto Highrider rack + mounting bits

2014-08-18 Thread Eric
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[RBW] Re: FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Philip Williamson
S3X and dynamo are sold. Here's what's left. REAR WHEELS: 700c silver XT - $120 135mm OLD. Dull silver hub, silver Salsa Delgado rim. 700c Fichtel Sachs Automatic 2 speed IGH - $140 Blue 'band.' Like a two speed kickback hub, but you don't have to kick back. 120mm OLD. Silver Sun CR18. Used

Re: [RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

2014-08-18 Thread Goshen Peter
i use the Giro Bishop and can say it was nice to finally wear a helment that fit my fat head. Nice and light, big enough vents to give me vent shaped sunburn spots on my bald head when i forget to use sunscreen. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:12 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch

Re: [RBW] FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Patrick Shea
Hey Philip On Monday, August 18, 2014, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: S3X and dynamo are sold. Here's what's left. REAR WHEELS: 700c silver XT - $120 135mm OLD. Dull silver hub, silver Salsa Delgado rim. 700c Fichtel Sachs Automatic 2 speed IGH - $140 Blue 'band.'

Re: [RBW] FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Patrick Shea
Sorry about that! Big fingers, small type. I'm curious about the 2-speed. Chain tensioner needed? Can the OLD be upped to 126? Thanks again for doing the patches/shirts. Cheers, Patrick On Monday, August 18, 2014, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: S3X and dynamo are sold.

RE: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Steve: Do you put them up on the stand every 100 miles or so for the purpose of checking the tires, or some other reason? (Or, I guess, both.) Mine don’t get up on a stand anywhere near that often, and I’m wondering if I’m missing something I should be doing. Tom From:

[RBW] Re: Anyone running a TA Zephyr Light (compact double) crankset on their Rambouillet?

2014-08-18 Thread Don Compton
Yes, it's setup symmetrical. If you use a 116, you will have to offset to the right. On Monday, August 18, 2014 8:39:55 AM UTC-7, George Schick wrote: Symmetrical on the 119mm Phil, I assume? The TA is symmetrical. Since this setup works it will probably be the next one I install in my

[RBW] Re: Macgyver and Hub Area Bags

2014-08-18 Thread Liesl
Hi Mike, I have the HAR / HAR bags combo and I really like them. This little story is on point so bear with me a moment: I was out yesterday in the rain with the HAR racks/HAR bags mounted on the the appaloosa custom—and stuff in the bags stayed dry. There were pulses of pouring rain mixed

RE: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
I like to clean and re-lube the chain every 100 mi or so. The tire check takes place while the chain dries from its soak in mineral spirits. Allingham II, Thomas J thomas.alling...@skadden.com wrote: Steve: Do you put them up on the stand every 100 miles or so for the purpose of checking the

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Joe Hogg
On 08/18/2014 12:01 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4,

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Goshen Peter
So, cables stretch every time they are used so wouldn't some high quality cabling/housing help the issue then? if that even is the issue. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Joe Hogg joseph.h...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/18/2014 12:01 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Why would a longer cable slip more?

[RBW] Re: FS: New 9cm Nitto Talux 26.0mm stem

2014-08-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
Bump and price drop: $55 shipped. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:21:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote: This is a new 9cm Nitto Talux 26.0mm stem. I took it out of its plastic, but never installed it as the 12 cm on the QB worked out great for me. (there may be a double

Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
Cables clearly do not stretch every time they are used. Otherwise we would be constantly be adjusting index shifting cables instead of once or twice a year. Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So, cables stretch every time they are used so wouldn't some high quality cabling/housing

[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

2014-08-18 Thread Garth
Even the Hex may suit you, it's still rounded and lots of vents, plus the visor even adjust up to 15 degrees , which is rather nice :) http://www.giro.com/us_en/products/men/helmets/hex.html#undefined On Monday, August 18, 2014 12:12:00 PM UTC-4, Mojo wrote: Thanks Jon, thanks Garth. I

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Metin Uz
I ride 10K to 15K miles a year. If I were to check my bike and re-lube the chain every 100 miles, I would have much less time to ride. --Metin On Monday, August 18, 2014 11:53:52 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: I like to clean and re-lube the chain every 100 mi or so. The tire check takes

Re: [RBW] FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Philip Williamson
Hey Patrick, The Sachs Automatic doesn't need a tensioner, but one should work fine if you have vertical drops. It has a reaction arm for the coaster brake, with a rubber-padded P clamp (Adele clip) to protect the frame. The axle seems plenty long enough to add 3mm on each side to take it to

Re: [RBW] FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Goshen Peter
I thought you couldn't use a coaster brake with a tensioner, am I just way off today? On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Philip Williamson philip.william...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Patrick, The Sachs Automatic doesn't need a tensioner, but one should work fine if you have vertical drops. It

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/18/2014 04:12 PM, Metin Uz wrote: I ride 10K to 15K miles a year. If I were to check my bike and re-lube the chain every 100 miles, I would have much less time to ride. 2 years ago I rode 11,111 miles. Last year my knee failed in November, so I only managed 10,600 miles. I have plenty

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
my chain-cleaning doesn't cut into my riding time at all. Metin didn't say that it did. Metin merely said that if he were to remove/soak/dry/relube his chain once every 3 or 4 days over a year, it would be a time commitment that he could not afford. The fact that you, Steve, do have the

Re: [RBW] FS: wheels. 700c S3X, Alfine dynamo, White Industries, Suntour XC, American Classic, Shimano XT

2014-08-18 Thread Philip Williamson
You might be right - I've never tried. Aaand... Sheldon Has The Answer: Note! Chain tensioners *cannot* be used with fixed-gear or coaster brake systems! They don't maintain tension when there is backward force applied to the pedals, and the chain can derail as a result. Sorry for the

[RBW] Re: FS: New 9cm Nitto Talux 26.0mm stem

2014-08-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Ryan
If I recall , Steve, I believe you're retired, correct? So if you are not working , you do have more time available. Nonetheless, those are impressive yearly mileages and it's awesome that you are so meticulous.! On Monday, August 18, 2014 3:26:36 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote: On

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/18/2014 05:33 PM, Ryan wrote: If I recall , Steve, I believe you're retired, correct? Yes, that's correct. So if you are not working , you do have more time available. True. However, it's not like it's really all that time-consuming, and the payoff in terms of equipment longevity

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Ryan
That is a good point:) Now, to be totally honest, my retired partner does my mechanical work for me...I'm kind of a spaz. He is a former potter and extremely good with his hands But, you are so right that good bikes deserve TLC and I'm extremely sensitive to anything not quite right on my

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Metin Uz
With limited time, I try a different approach. I put at least 5,000 miles on the fixed gear commuter. When the chain gets noisy, it gets lubed (maybe once a month). I have a lifetime supply of chain in a spool, replaced maybe once every other year. I make sure my cables and tires are in good

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Bill Lindsay
Lifetime supply of chain in a spool? That's wild. I've never heard of that. How did you hook that up? What chain manufacturer? On Monday, August 18, 2014 4:00:45 PM UTC-7, Metin Uz wrote: With limited time, I try a different approach. I put at least 5,000 miles on the fixed gear

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Steve Palincsar
On 08/18/2014 06:44 PM, Ryan wrote: I also like what Grant seaid about riding like a fairy not an ox. I'm a big fairy, though. Reminds me of a moment about 20 years ago, riding alongside this guy out in rural Virginia. We're talking about wheels. I'm riding a 20 year old Paramount, with

Re: [RBW] Re: Attn: Big mileage riders

2014-08-18 Thread Metin Uz
It's a half-used bulk spool of cheap KMC chain a bike shop was clearing out, good for 5-speed but not indexed shifting. Works fine for fixed gear since I run road chainrings and 3/32 cogs. --Metin On Monday, August 18, 2014 4:07:13 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: Lifetime supply of chain in a

[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

2014-08-18 Thread Zack
I have the aspect and like it plenty. I had an REI gift card to defray some of the cost, which was helpful, as it's expensive. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from

[RBW] Re: adjustable angle brake levers?

2014-08-18 Thread Kainalu
Have you ever wished you could skew the orientation of the levers to the bar? Even just a little bit? Maybe someone with a machine shop has? Maybe I should have first asked if anyone knew of any bags that might match these hypothetical brake levers? Whatever it takes. Possible that this is

[RBW] Re: Helmet recommendations

2014-08-18 Thread 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch
Thanks for your input folks. I went to two LBS's found nothing that fit well, had a visor, no tail. At my local REI I found the Bell XLP that fit all my needs including my big head. Bonus, it cost $40. I was willing to spend 4x that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

[RBW] Chains and cassettes

2014-08-18 Thread Don Compton
Maybe I am just an anal fanatic, but I clean my chains and cassettes every 100 miles or so. I learned back in the nine speed days, that if I used a chain too long, the cassette would also be worn out. Now( my bikes are all obsolete Campy 10sp), I run my chains 3000 miles. I buy the cheapist

[RBW] Re: adjustable angle brake levers?

2014-08-18 Thread Philip Williamson
I think a drawing of what you mean might be useful. I've used MTB levers on inverted albatross bars. I replaced the reach adjustment screw with longer hex bolts, and screwed them in to bring the levers in close to the bar. A friend used mtb bars on dirt drop bars, and bent the levers sideways

Re: [RBW] Re: adjustable angle brake levers?

2014-08-18 Thread cyclotourist
Yeah, most all MTB levers have a set screw that adjusts the reach of the lever. It's not a ton of adjustment, but it's there. http://www.parktool.com/uploads/images/blog/repair_help/mtbbrakelever.jpg Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Mon, Aug 18, 2014

[RBW] Re: Chains and cassettes

2014-08-18 Thread lungimsam
I say , if you enjoy it, clean as much as you like. RBW says replace the chain every 2,000 miles no matter what. I think I will try this and see how it goes. Not sure how many miles it takes to wear out a cassette. For the last year I think I have not cleaned a chain and only applied Boeshield

[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Fails

2014-08-18 Thread stonehog
I wouldn't be surprised if it is the ring spread. I may go with a 42 or even 40 - don't need much on the top end these days - I like to coast down hills, and the 11t in back is a big gear. Derailleur was new, not moved, and the rings are new, unramped. I had a fair amount of small ring to

[RBW] 58 ebay Roadeo deal!

2014-08-18 Thread rcnute
Nice! Someone here snap it up. http://www.ebay.com/itm/58-cm-700c-Rivendell-Roadeo-Frame-Road-Bike-Touring-/251620939853?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item3a95c6d84d Ryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this