[RBW] Re: Cheviot in betweener opinions?

[Zach Kahl]

True. I thought that the 60 looked quite a lot larger than the 55 (more 
than 5cm to the naked eye ;)). I don't know anyone in Portland who rides a 
step through and I have never owned one myself so wasn't sure how the 
fitting would work out. She was hands down more confident on the 55 without 
a doubt. So that is the direction we are going to go. i plan on calling G 
in the morning, hoping that they might work out for the golden ticket which 
is a 55cm Orange. It sounds like the 2016 frames will all be done in the 
Olive Green color only.

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 6:08:40 PM UTC-8, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Before i sold my chev to size down, I was in between sizes 50 and 55, I 
> sized down and glad I did.
>
> I would wait. Also, I know Gravel and Grind had a Chev hanging at the 
> shop, looked like a 55cm orange, but couldn't get a close look.
>

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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

I thought it was 30... may need to confirm that soon!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:24 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> And the limit IIRC is 31 so seven spots left. That is if the 24 are all
> overnighters.
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:58 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> 24 saying it's a go!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Hugh Smitham 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So what's the count at now?
>>>
>>> ~Hugh
>>>
>>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>>
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, cyclotourist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You are so counted, Dan!

 Currently at 24... maxes out at 30 beds!

 On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Dan McNamara 
 wrote:

> After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!
>
> Dan
>
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip
> to the West Point Inn , and had a
> phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!)
> birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we
> want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded 
> folks
> to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of 
> the
> most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we
> are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking
> the Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling
> back to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to 
> do
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area 
> has
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
> provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping 
> to
> have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
> favorite is a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
> to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any 
> excess
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
> 

[RBW] Re: Rat trap pass tires on Atlantis

[KTY]

Hey Aaron, do you think there's any chance of getting fenders in there with 
the RTPs? I'd be attempting this on a 2003 Atlantis (still technically an 
Atlantis 2, I believe).



On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 7:23:00 PM UTC-4, Aaron Young wrote:
>
> hey gang,
>
> The Rat Trap Pass tires arrived today. They fit with ample clearance on 
> my 56 cm Atlantis. On Velocity Aeroheat rims they measure 47mm. Narrow 
> compared to the Big Bens they replaced (52mm on same rims). 
>
> Instapics:
>
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JUEnhu37E/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JXIKgO3_u/
>
> https://instagram.com/p/7JX4ovu3w7/
>
> Aaron Young
> The Dalles, OR
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Stuinniker bag evolution

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Phil. I am working hard at getting better, but sewing is not a natural 
thing for me. I struggle, so I must enjoy the challenge or pain, I haven't 
decided which it is. 
Stuinniker is a name I came up with in honor of my father whose name was 
Stuart. He was a prisoner of war during world war two and survived the Battan 
Death March and numerous near death experiences from disease, malnutrition and 
abuse. He went by Stu and loved sailing. He had severe PTSD and drank 
constantly. I never got to know him.  I have PTSD, so I feel a small connection 
to him. 
The 'inniker' comes from Spinniker. The Stuinniker acts as a Spinniker when 
unrolled and the top of the bag is strapped to the handle bars. I tried it out 
and it works. It is kind of fun to be pedaling along and think, "I am having a 
tailwind, time to hoist the sail". I pull over and hoist it. I haven't tried it 
in really strong winds as it can't be reefed down When up, it also helps 
block my knees from the cold and acts as a cold weather/snow fairing. Each 
prototype has become smaller and this is as small as I will take it. It still 
needs to act like a sail, to keep the name, and it needs to be big enough to 
hold my bikepacking load. 
Right now I am disgruntled. The old axiom, "Pick two: Light, strong or cheap" 
applies to bags too.  The X-pac is not holding up to repeated rolling and 
unrolling. The plastic lamination seems to be delaminating and wearing through 
where the roll down stiffener hits the plastic. The whole top third of the bag, 
which is the major part of the roll down, is looking sad. I haven't even got to 
use it camping yet. I thought I was done...This could be failure number ninety 
three?.facepalm. I either remake the whole bag with a fabric I haven't 
discovered yet that is light, waterproof and durable, or make a siliconized 
ripstop liner bag. So guess what? Tomorrow, I make a siliconized ripstop liner 
bag and seal it with bathroom caulk. I am tired of Stuinniker. Sorry Dad. RIP.  
(My frame bags should be fine, as they are static). 
After the liner bag,  I plan on making a rear rack top bag. Since the 
Stuinniker is a combo of a Randonneur bag, fitted basket bag, Shop Sack, 
bikepacking bag and stuff sack, with the total being greater than the sum,  it 
only follows the rear should follow the same design idea. How do I combine the 
best features of a rack trunk, bikepacking seat bag, stuff sack and Rivendell 
rack top type bag and make something that is truly perfected for my needs?  I 
haven't even begun to think about it, but I am excited about the upcoming 
creative process. But for now
I am tired. I need to take a day off first. Or maybe a week. 
Clayton 

On Friday, March 4, 2016 11:32 AM, Philip Williamson 
 wrote:
 

 Those are cool. The bullmoose bag makes me think you could do an awesome Jones 
truss fork bag. 
What's the etymology of "Stuinniker?" It's one of those words that now pop into 
my head and get onto a loop. 
Philipwww.biketinker.com 

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 8:00:27 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
Hi folks,
Spring is coming! I can't wait to go bike camping. This winter I have been 
making all my own bike packing bags. I have some ideas on a new type of rear 
rack top bag. It is my next project, but for now,the development ot the 
Stuinniker front rack bag continues. I used X-pac expedition fabric and padded 
the bottom third of the bag with closed cell foam that is glue laminated 
between two layers of fabric. (I used X-pac for my frame bags too). When used 
as a basket bag, I can let the U-lock bounce around in the bag without worrying 
it's going to wear out the fabric. The sorta rigid bottom allowed me to get rid 
of all the load control straps except for the two side straps. Instead of using 
ABS as the snap plate, I used carbon fiber and a modified draw latch. The snap 
plate is removable when used as a basket bag. The small black bag is a bag I 
made for my son for his bullmoosed Stumpy. For more photos, search #Stuinniker 
on Instagram. 
PeaceClayton (Bend)
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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Hugh Smitham]

And the limit IIRC is 31 so seven spots left. That is if the 24 are all
overnighters.

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:58 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> 24 saying it's a go!
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
>
>> So what's the count at now?
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, cyclotourist 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are so counted, Dan!
>>>
>>> Currently at 24... maxes out at 30 beds!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Dan McNamara 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!

 Dan

 On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist 
 wrote:

 The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
 that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
 everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
 fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
 similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.

 Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip
 to the West Point Inn , and had a
 phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!)
 birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we
 want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks
 to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the
 most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we
 are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!

 We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
 pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
 Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
 out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!

 The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
 can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
 Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
 $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
 even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.

 For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
 ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking
 the Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling
 back to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
 that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
 to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
 We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
 Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
 decent sized group there.

 Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
 communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
 provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to
 have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
 favorite is a way to do it as well.

 Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
 to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
 dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.

 Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170

 Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
 http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/


 Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
 Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
 budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
 to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
 transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
 the cost per person will go up accordingly.

 Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
 on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
 the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
 . I think parking is $8/day there.

 The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and

Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

24 saying it's a go!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:

> So what's the count at now?
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.” ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
>> You are so counted, Dan!
>>
>> Currently at 24... maxes out at 30 beds!
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Dan McNamara 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>>
>>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>>
>>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>>
>>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>>> decent sized group there.
>>>
>>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and
>>> communal pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner
>>> provided. Sun breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to
>>> have some beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your
>>> favorite is a way to do it as well.
>>>
>>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four
>>> to five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>>
>>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>>
>>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>>
>>>
>>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>>
>>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>>
>>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>>> labour of love sort of thing.
>>>
>>> So who's inn???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>>
>>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Hugh Smitham]

So what's the count at now?

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
moving.” ― Albert Einstein

http://velocipeedemusings.com/



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:21 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> You are so counted, Dan!
>
> Currently at 24... maxes out at 30 beds!
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Dan McNamara  wrote:
>
>> After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>
>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>> labour of love sort of thing.
>>
>> So who's inn???
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[cyclotourist]

Doug, your recollections are correct. Parking is at the (lovely) Redlands
Mall: https://goo.gl/maps/3RPS6YEoPeD2

>From there it is less than two minutes to the registration and staging area
at the BikeBBQ https://goo.gl/maps/yypHWCszZ3U2

We'll see how we do getting all those people taken care of! :-)

Locals are encouraged to pre-register on Friday night at Stell Coffee.

Great post-ride party with live music.

Still spots for the 50k and 100 mile routes.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Doug Peterson  wrote:

> RE: Parking - David, last year RSR had worked out parking close to the
> start.  Is it the same this year?  IIRC it was the parking lot for a mall
> that seemed to have a parking surplus.  I reviewed the various postings but
> didn't see anything about parking.
>
> doug
>
> On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>>
>> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>>
>> --
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

You are so counted, Dan!

Currently at 24... maxes out at 30 beds!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:15 PM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!
>
> Dan
>
> On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We
> talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!)
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
> labour of love sort of thing.
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
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Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Dan McNamara]

After some negotiations at home I can make it so count me in!

Dan

> On Mar 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:
> 
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic weekend. 
> That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We talked about 
> it, but nothing came of it. 
> 
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to the 
> West Point Inn, and had a phenomenal time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's 
> (and Philip W's!) birthday. An absolute blast.  We can't recreate those 
> moments, but we want to have another opportunity back at the Inn with any 
> like minded folks to celebrate life, life on a bicycle, the historical 
> context, in one of the most beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with 
> Jacquie's help we are hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
> 
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to pack 
> in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay Area that 
> we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from out of the 
> area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
> 
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
> 
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday ramble 
> of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the Pine 
> Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back to the 
> Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do that. Just 
> kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has to offer.  
> So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! We'll figure out a 
> cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. Won't even worry about 
> it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a decent sized group there.
> 
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some beer 
> provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is a way 
> to do it as well.
> 
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
> 
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
> 
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
> 
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using Paypal. 
> I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food budgeting I'd 
> rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess to the Inn 
> (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very transparent, but 
> money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, the cost per person 
> will go up accordingly. 
> 
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no on-site 
> parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at the 
> Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail. I think parking is 
> $8/day there.
> 
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and forth 
> with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a labour of 
> love sort of thing. 
> 
> So who's inn???
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
> 
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
> 
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

GREAT, added to the list!

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Ado Lucas  wrote:

> Count me in, can't wait !!!
>
> Amado
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event
>> that everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like
>> everything really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a
>> fantastic weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something
>> similar. We talked about it, but nothing came of it.
>>
>> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to
>> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal
>> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An
>> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have
>> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate
>> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most
>> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are
>> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>>
>> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to
>> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay
>> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from
>> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>>
>> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we
>> can get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for
>> Saturday night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than
>> $150 at most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical
>> even!) place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>>
>> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday
>> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the
>> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back
>> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do
>> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has
>> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner!
>> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much.
>> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a
>> decent sized group there.
>>
>> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal
>> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun
>> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some
>> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is
>> a way to do it as well.
>>
>> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to
>> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the
>> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping.
>>
>> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>>
>> Hugh's thoughts on the subject:
>> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>>
>>
>> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using
>> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food
>> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess
>> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very
>> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people,
>> the cost per person will go up accordingly.
>>
>> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no
>> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at
>> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail
>> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>>
>> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and
>> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a
>> labour of love sort of thing.
>>
>> So who's inn???
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] RE:RE: 56cm Rivendell Atlantis

[Hugh Smitham]

Okay, okay last and final bump for a long, long while. Seeings how I've 
been cajoled by some to find my absolute rock bottom price I might as well 
make the same offer to the rest of the bikey universe. Complete bike as 
seen in the pictures and parts listed below $2100 shipped in the CONUS if'n 
you're in Australia sorry mate but the cost and effort is way too steep. 
And if you're not sure this is the right size for you ask the group here or 
better yet call Rivendell they're infinitely better at fielding those 
questions than I. Here's the number: (925) 933-7304.


If you detect a bit of annoyance on my part well I get folks who work 
on whittling me down on price then need time to figure out if it's the 
right size or what's the max wheel size with fenders? Please, please figure 
this out before talking to me. And if you want an Atlantis built for under 
$2000 in decent condition don't bother. Buy my brother's Hillborne for 
$1950 or maybe a Clem if they have your size left? Or a LHT?


On condition and miles: I have no idea what the F/F have total I bought it 
used. The Drive has under 1000 miles (what I put on it) lots of life left. 
The Wheelset shown and listed has maybe 200 miles on them and this is an 
arbitrary guess? I purchased the XT wheelset from eBay which I intended for 
the original build but eventually built a different set up with a Dyno hub. 
The bike was originally owned by a lady in Seattle and it was never 
crashed. I repainted it because I'm stupid that way. There are no dents or 
dings but there are some scratches "Beausage" The bike rides like a dream 
and can carry a full touring load with aplomb and unloaded it 
rides nimble and spirited. 


On F/F/HS: Sure PayPay me $1400 shipped @ h...@smitham.com and I'll take 
all the parts off and ship it ASAP. 


Whew that feels good!  


*Images 
*


Pictures the Radavist 
 
took


*Build:*

· Shimano XT Front & Rear Derailleur’s.

· Sugino XD600 Crankset 170mm length (24, 34, 46)

· MKS Grip King Pedals (Silver)

· Phil Wood Bottom Bracket 113mm (adjustable)

· Connex/Wipperman Silver 9 speed chain & quick connect link.

· Tange Needle bearing Headset.

· Nitto Tallux 10cm stem 225mm quill.

· Nitto Albatross Bars (Aluminum) W/ Miesha Cork Grips

· Shimano MTB brake levers.

· Paul touring Cantilever brakes & Kool-Stop Supra 2 two tone pads.

· Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters.

· Shimano (HG-61) 9 speed cassette 12-36

· Nitto S65 Crystal Fellows Seat Post 27.2mm X 250mm long


*Wheels:*

· Front   Mavic 220 UB Control XT Hub, WTB All Terrain tire & tubes.

· Rear   Mavic 220 UB Control XT Hub, WTB All Terrain tire & tubes.


*$2100 shipped in the CONUS*


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[RBW] Re: Strada Rossa March 19th... you all are invited!

[Doug Peterson]

RE: Parking - David, last year RSR had worked out parking close to the 
start.  Is it the same this year?  IIRC it was the parking lot for a mall 
that seemed to have a parking surplus.  I reviewed the various postings but 
didn't see anything about parking.  

doug

On Saturday, November 7, 2015 at 9:08:19 PM UTC-8, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2015/11/were-putting-stake-in-it-march-19-2016.html
>
> A very Rivendell-friendly event! Hope to see some of you there!
>
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> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] March bike stuff tag sale

[Shawn Granton]

Hello friends-


March is here! And that means cleaning out the parts bins of things I’m not 
using and don’t need anymore. So maybe you want or need?

All prices listed are in US dollars and DO NOT INCLUDE SHIPPING. Please 
contact me to see what shipping would look like. Payment will be via 
Paypal, friends and family payment preferred. If you are local (Portland OR 
area) you can purchase with cash in person, either in the Woodlawn 
neighborhood of NE or on SE Hawthorne. Estimated shipping prices 
included. Combine items for better shipping. Send a private message if you 
want something!


   - Twofish “Quickcage”. A bottle cage made by Twofish specifically for 
   Klean Kanteen bottles. Cage itself is vinyl lined, and attaches to bike via 
   velcro strap. $5 plus $5 shipping.
   - Velo Orange “Baguette” handlebar or saddle bag. A nice sized 
   barrel-stale handlebar bag, attaches to handlebars via two leather straps 
   (included) or via the side loops (which you can use zipties.) I used this 
   bag for a few years. The side loops and front leather loop (which can be 
   used as a rear light holder if used as a saddlebag) have been reinforced. 
   Shows a bit of glue residue on the front from patches that were on there. 
   Please note that the bag is NOT waterproof, and the third leather strap is 
   not included. $10 plus $5 shipping.
   - Linus rear rack. A classic looking aluminum rack rated for 40lbs (25 
   kg). Has adjustable struts that attach to the seatstays. Also has hook 
   loops at the bottom for panniers. Extra hardware included (though clamps 
   for seatstays if you don’t have braze-ons, are not included.) $20 plus 
   $8-16 shipping.
   - Spanninga Micro FF LED Dynamo headlamp. A very, very, VERY basic LED 
   headlight for dynamo systems. Good for utility bikes. If you plan on doing 
   extensive night riding, may I suggest a nicer B+M headlamp? $5 plus 
   $4shipping.
   - Persons “Supreme” black rubber pedal blocks. Used for rebuilding older 
   style rubber block pedals. From a project I never got around to. $5 plus $5 
   shipping.
   - Old bottle dynamo. Unknown make, probably from the 70’s. Your typical 
   old-school bottle dynamo. Mounting hardware included. $5 plus $4 shipping.
   
   Photos here. (Please note that the set below has photos of items already 
   claimed/purchased.)
   
https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/albums/72157663678799916

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[iamkeith]

Dave (and Mark),

Just in case you aren't aware of this, or missed the crux of what Toshi was 
saying in his post above, the Ram makes a reasonably good candidate for a 
650b conversion.   That would give you, Dave, the fatter tires you desire 
and you, Mark, room for some good fenders that you want.

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 6:58:03 PM UTC-7, Dave Johnston wrote:
>
> Mine is #22 a 56cm and it has a solid rear dropout and pointier lugs on 
> the headtube. I rarely ride it, preferring fatter tires these days, but my 
> girlfriend insists I keep it as it is my loveliest bike and can't be 
> replaced easily.
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Any Gevenalle users?

[iamkeith]

Do a topic search using the name "retroshift," which was what they called 
themselves until recently.  (or follow link below):

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/retroshift

Looks like there are a few threads discussing them.  I don't have any first 
hand experience or knowledge to add though.

I like Kelly Takeoff mounts.  Something else to consider:

http://kellybike.com/2nd_xtra_takeoff.html


On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 11:01:02 AM UTC-7, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> I saw the Gevenalle shifters at NAHBS last week and have been considering 
> giving their Audax model a go. I really like the Paul thumbies for 
> providing a means of friction shifting near my hand position on Alba bars, 
> and I am interested in getting something similar on drop bars.  
>
> So I'm wondering if any of you have experience with the Gevenalle design. 
> Is there much of a learning curve? Any issues with the shifters interfering 
> with braking when you're riding on the hoods? 
>
> Jack
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[RBW] Cheviot in betweener opinions?

[Philip Kim]

Before i sold my chev to size down, I was in between sizes 50 and 55, I sized 
down and glad I did.

I would wait. Also, I know Gravel and Grind had a Chev hanging at the shop, 
looked like a 55cm orange, but couldn't get a close look.

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[RBW] Cheviot in betweener opinions?

[Christopher Murray]

>From the sound of it they would both probably be fine. Maybe Riv would switch 
>the bars on the 60 for a ride if they knew 100% there would be a sale? What 
>about a staff bike-- I think Grant has a 60 Cheviot but not sure what bars are 
>on it. 

At the end of the day, I'd let her choose. If that means waiting so be it. In 
sales training we always learn to let the customer make the final decision- 
they are much more likely to be happy with the purchase.

Good luck!
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Dave Johnston]

Mine is #22 a 56cm and it has a solid rear dropout and pointier lugs on the 
headtube. I rarely ride it, preferring fatter tires these days, but my 
girlfriend insists I keep it as it is my loveliest bike and can't be 
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[drew]

I don't know anything about disk brakes, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't 
thought about getting mine s coupled (3 couplers!) and canti bossed for 650b, 
for some imaginary/fantasy world credit card tour. It's such a good bike for so 
many things.

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[RBW] Cheviot in betweener opinions?

[Joe Bernard]

I'll answer it this way: I have a 78pbh and ride a 45cm CLEM with Albas on a 
12cm stem..fits great. I tried a Bosco on that stem and it was WAY too close to 
me..I think that bar/stem would work on the next size up, a 52. Based on these 
parameters, I think the 60 Chev felt huge to her because the Boscos were wide, 
tall and in her face. Therefore I think the 60 with Boscos would fit, but is 
that what she wants? She's already decided a 55 with Albas feels good, so there 
may be no point in talking her into a different size and bar. 

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[RBW] Cheviot in betweener opinions?

[Zach Kahl]

Hey all!

My fiance has been on the hunt for a Chev for a while and falls between the 
55 and 60. She is 5'8" with a PBH of 85. She test rode the 55 that had 
albatross bars on it and she thought it "felt great". The seatpost showed 
about 15 cm. Then she rode the 60, setup with boscos and thought that the 
bike "felt huge" which I *feel* is largely attributed to the bars. The 
seatpost on the 60 showed about 3-5 cm. 

Now the fiasco lies in here - Riv is all out on the 55 until the next 
orders come in around (maybe August?), so does one get a 60 now and set it 
up with a 9cm stem and a sweep back bar that feels more nimble at chance 
that it really will feel too large? Or just wait out for the 55, possibly 
missing a lot of summer touring with me here in sunny (in the summer) 
Oregon? The great thing about a stepthrough is the huge range that it can 
suit, yet there lies a risk of still being too large for her to really have 
a good time on. She has been on a bike for 10 years that I feel runs a bit 
small for her, so I think it will take some time to be comfortable on a 
frame that fits her correctly and so on...

Not looking for an answer but merely wanted to reach out to those here who 
know the name Rivendell as well as understand that waiting is part of the 
reason we all own RBW bikes and makes them all the more special. I respect 
everyone heres opinions, so thank you if you have one!!!

*from rivbike:*
*55cm *
TYPICAL RIDER HEIGHTS: women 5'3 1/2 to 5'6 1/2, men 5'4" to 5' 7". 
PBH 77.5 to 86cm 
SADDLE HEIGHT 66.5cm to 75cm.

*60cm* 
TYPICAL RIDER HEIGHTS: women 5'6" 1//2 to 6'2, men about 5'8.5" to 6'3".
PBH 84 to 94cm 
SADDLE HEIGHT 73cm to 93cm.

Thanks again!!! Ride safe and fun out there!!

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Re: [RBW] FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Patrick Moore]

Sorry all, should have started another thread.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Apologies for the double posting (kind of goes with the double top tube
> though) but my original post was kind of hijacked on discussions of
> conversions. I am not interested in converting anything- just posting a
> nearly new Rivendell bike for sale that could go to someone and get some
> good use. With that said, for sale is is my 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne
> (double top tube). I just don't ride this bike with the others that I have.
> It's in excellent to new condition. It works perfectly without any issues
> whatsoever. So here is the list of parts: Wheelset is Shimano LX hubs
> (front is Dynamo), DT Swiss spokes to Mavic A319 rims 36 spoke count front
> & rear. The pictures show Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 40mm but I'm selling it
> with the Bruce Gordon Rock & Roads 43mm (see one of the photos). Sugino
> triple carnk (175mm arms) with 26/36/46 rings, Wipperman Connex 9speed SS
> chain, Shimano XT front & rear derailleur, Shimano XT 12/34 cassette, Nitto
> Albatross handlebars, Nitto Technomic stem, Shimano MTN brake levers,
> Shimano Dura Ace 9speed bar-end shifters, Meisha's cork grips, Zefal frame
> pump, Nitto 65 seatpost, WTB Pure V saddle, B Luxus B headlight, B
> taillight, Nitto lampholder, Nitto Marks front rack with double stays,
> Nitto R-14 rear rack, VP 001 gold pedals, Pletcher kickstand, Tektro R559
> long reach brake calipers. I don't think I missed anything. I'd like to get
> $2,200 plus shipping CONUS complete and $1,950 plus shipping CONUS without
> front & rear racks. Pictures below:
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskse5MBA
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego (310) 968-6910
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Patrick Moore]

Good news; and yes, there is the problem of brakes. But if you can fit 700C
50s 

Would it be heresy to have disk brake fittings fitted?

We'll see ...

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 5:12 PM, drew  wrote:

> i have 700x50's on my 56cm sam. havent measured for clearance, because
> they fit without a problem.  probably could go slightly larger or do
> something with knobs, or reduce to 48 and put fenders on.
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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[drew]

oh, also mine is the double top tube/non cream head tube 56cm, just like 
this one. 

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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[drew]

i have 700x50's on my 56cm sam. havent measured for clearance, because they 
fit without a problem.  probably could go slightly larger or do something 
with knobs, or reduce to 48 and put fenders on. 

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[RBW] FS Spring Bike Cleaning

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Folks,

Over the years I ended up collecting miscellaneous parts. Shipping within 
the CONUS. Hit me up off list if you're interested.

Of note, the Dura Ace Wheelset I purchased for a friends Trek 520 build but 
I've decided to do a 650b conversion on that bike so I don't have need for 
these. I paid $150 and I'm just passing the price along, these were built 
by Colorado Cyclist and are in great shape. The Sram Compact Crank was used 
briefly less than 50 miles the GXP Bottom Bracket that came with the Apex 
Group Set I'm using, I did find another GXP Bottom used but I make no 
guarantees whether it'll work, I believe it will but you may need spacers 
for your configuration. The Apex brakes & cassette are brand new. On all 
the smaller least expensive items I'm just guessing on the shipping cost? 
The Fatty Rumpkin's have a ton of life left in them. The Platrack stays 
have been cut and measure approx 41mm they fit perfectly on my 58cm A. 
Homer. 

On shipping I'll do my very best to get the item(s) out promptly.

If you want additional pictures let me know.  

Images 
 

*Parts for sale:*


Platrack & Slicker Sack combo $80 OBO plus shipping


Sram Apex Compact Crank 50/34 with (GXP Bottom Bracket Not original) $50 
plus shipping


Sram Apex Brake Set (no cables or housing included) $25 plus shipping


Sram PG1050 Cassette (12-32) $30 plus shipping


Tektro R559 Front  $10 plus shipping


Tektro Interrupters (Silver) $5 plus shipping


Shimano XT FD-M781-D Triple (Down Swing & no clamp) D-type. $10 plus 
shipping


Sram Apex Front Derailleur with 28.6mm shim. $10 plus shipping


Shimano 105 Triple Front Derailleur 31.8mm $10 plus shipping


Bontrager Carbon Water Bottle cages. $20 plus shipping


Velo Orange Water Bottle Cages $15 plus shipping


Pletscher Dbl Leg Kickstand cut to 280 mark. $15 plus shipping


Pletcher Single Leg Kickstand cut (Fit my 58cm A. Homer Hilsen) $7 plus 
shipping


Suntour Supreme Non Aero Brake levers. $5 plus shipping


Blackburn Small Saddle Bag. $5 plus shipping


Jandd Small Saddle bag $5 plus shipping


Chris King “2 nut” 1” threaded red anodized Headset. $75 plus shipping


MKS Platform Pedals. $7 plus shipping


Dura Ace Wheel Set laced to Open 4 CD rims. $150 Plus shipping


Generic Platform Pedals. $7 plus shipping


RavX bar mount. $5 plus shipping


Serfas Tri Gel Saddle $10 plus shipping


Force Field Fatty Rumpkins pair 650b x 41mm $30 plus shipping


Schwalbe Big Ben’s Wire Brown Reflex pair 26 x 2.15 $20 plus shipping


Nitto Tallux 12cm stem 225mm quill 26.0mm bar clamp $50 plus shipping


Nitto Tallux 9cm stem 225mm quill 26.0mm bar clamp $50 plus shipping


Thanks for looking,


~Hugh

  Los Angeles, CA




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Re: [RBW] FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Justin August]

Seems like a great application of a blowtorch and some canti-posts. 

I'd assume the problem with fat rubber would be the chai stays. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Bill Lindsay]

A 700c Sam, switched to 650B would require caliper brakes with like ~93mm 
of reach.  Those exist (BMX models) but golly.  


On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 3:20:54 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Has anyone 650B'd a Sam Hill? If so, how fat a tire can it fit? And, next, 
> does Compass (or anyone else) make a tire in that size and in an "extra 
> light" casing?
>
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Re: [RBW] That dirty Hoss in use

[Patrick Moore]

Funny. I just rode to my daughter's school, a mile south, to escort her
home. She is 14 y and 9 months old, and the Dahon is one of the many things
that just embarrasses the hell out of her (my cycling caps are another) --
even though I got exactly 4 comments from students and faculty today
saying, in effect, the bike is "cute." (Daughter says, "Yeah, cute like a
hairless cat is cute.") I'm sure having a tatty, huge saddlebag doesn't
improve the image in her eyes.

(That said, Catie is on the whole well balanced and mature for her age.)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That bag is HUGE on your Dahon. It looks like you could fold the bike up
> and carry it in the Hoss ;)
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[RBW] FS - Suntour Command Shifters

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I purchased these Suntour Accushift Plus Command Shifters in 1992 for a 
Bontrager CX bike with original WTB Dirt Drops. I used them (and liked 
them) for a year before moving to Suntour bar cons. They are in good 
condition, 5-6-7 speed and indexed or friction and are the equivalent of 
Superbe Pro / XC Pro. Model(s) SL-CD01-R7 & SL-CD01-L. They are seen here 
on the vintage cycling database VeloBase,com:
*http://www.velobase.com/velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=5d38a838-522e-46ab-9842-72828a27501a=104*
I have 4 images in a Flickr album:
*https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157665271667132*
I'm not really sure what these are worth but have seen them on flea-bay 
used for $90 and NOS for as much as $220! If a list member can put them to 
use, I'll forward them for $60.00, which includes $6.80 for a USPS Priority 
Flat Rate box. PayPal preferred. Contact me off-list if you will. Thanks.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Bruce Smitham]

Thanks Jon. Amazing bike and set up we must agree on. I haven't ridden it much 
since I always have so many other bikes or bike projects. I'm just narrowing 
down the quiver. I'm amazed how new it looks when I went to take pictures.


Bruce Smitham



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> WOW! Your Sam is set up almost identical to mine.
> Looks new out of the box.
> Who ever gets it is getting a great machine!
> Jon
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Re: [RBW] FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Patrick Moore]

Has anyone 650B'd a Sam Hill? If so, how fat a tire can it fit? And, next,
does Compass (or anyone else) make a tire in that size and in an "extra
light" casing?

More precisely: with 584s, how fat a tire can you get into a SH without
fenders, and #2, how fat with fenders?

50 mm, if the tire is supple, is (IME) a sort of sweet turning point for
tire width, at least for the sandy soils I ride in, and 584 is close enough
to 622 that I expect I'd find much of the same improvement over 559 wheels.
(I rode the '03 with 29 mm Elk Passes on our acequia roads yesterday, warm
weather drying the soil and breaking it up into sand, and, while I got
through, it wasn't exactly fun.)

I ask because a 56 SH with 50 or 60 mm tires would be an wonderful "road
bike for dirt." I owned a stt 56 SH, and though I didn't like it for road
riding (it felt doggy, even with Green Jack Browns) I would love one for
dirt if it could accept fatter tires.

And I ask because at the 6-month point, I've still not gotten my custom
Matthews "road bike for dirt" and I want to prepare for alternatives.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> For sale is is my 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube). I just
> don't ride this bike with the others that I have. It's in excellent to new
> condition. It works perfectly without any issues whatsoever. So here is the
> list of parts: Wheelset is Shimano LX hubs (front is Dynamo), DT Swiss
> spokes to Mavic A319 rims 36 spoke count front & rear. The pictures show
> Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 40mm but I'm selling it with the Bruce Gordon
> Rock & Roads 43mm (see one of the photos). Sugino triple carnk (175mm arms)
> with 26/36/46 rings, Wipperman Connex 9speed SS chain, Shimano XT front &
> rear derailleur, Shimano XT 12/34 cassette, Nitto Albatross handlebars,
> Nitto Technomic stem, Shimano MTN brake levers, Shimano Dura Ace 9speed
> bar-end shifters, Meisha's cork grips, Zefal frame pump, Nitto 65 seatpost,
> WTB Pure V saddle, B Luxus B headlight, B taillight, Nitto lampholder,
> Nitto Marks front rack with double stays, Nitto R-14 rear rack, VP 001 gold
> pedals, Pletcher kickstand, Tektro R559 long reach brake calipers. I don't
> think I missed anything. I'd like to get $2,200 plus shipping CONUS
> complete and $1,950 plus shipping CONUS without front & rear racks.
> Pictures below:
>
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>
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[RBW] That dirty Hoss in use

[Joe Bernard]

That bag is HUGE on your Dahon. It looks like you could fold the bike up and 
carry it in the Hoss ;)

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

They are Planet Bike fenders.


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Re: [RBW] That dirty Hoss ...

[Joe Bernard]

It's all water under the bridge now - I believe the fellow involved is no 
longer associated with Frost River - but that "original design" is a main 
reason why Riv stopped selling it: Grant created the designs; Frost River 
produced them for him; then Frost River started selling the bags under their 
own brand. My understanding is that guy is out of the bag business now, and 
good riddance. 

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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Rivendell Sam Hillborne (double top tube)

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

WOW! Your Sam is set up almost identical to mine.
Looks new out of the box.
Who ever gets it is getting a great machine!
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[RBW] Re: V-brakes & front racks

[Matthew J]

I'm going to have to hold one of the Nitto racks over my city bike.

My Paul Mini-Motos work so seamlessly with the Pass Stow rack it never 
occurred to me this might be an issue.

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Re: [RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Patrick Moore]

I am not, but drops on this bike would be too bulky when folding. Even the
M bar is bulkier than the replaced Ritchey bullhorns when folding it, oddly
enough.

I rode 12.5 miles rt on it just now, with attention to bar comfort. While
it's more comfortable than the bullhorns or, say, a straight mtb bar, or
North Road bars, even during the return I found my left palm starting to
tingle, and that the riding position (not adjustable, given the Dahon's
design) puts too much weight on arms and shoulders -- tho' I daresay I
would get used to this particular feeling if I rode the Dahon more.

The M bar does give good steering control, which I did need with the 25
rear load wagging the bike.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Ryan Fleming 
wrote:

> I thought you weren't that crazy about M-bars
>
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe.
>>
>> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll
>> leave well enough alone.
>>
>> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a
>> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes
>> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in
>> order to install a light.
>>
>> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto
>> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss in use

[Patrick Moore]

I forgot to add that the Sackville Med would carry all this and more; not
only does it have 75% more rated volume, but it is far easier to load. But
for the use intended, this Hoss is just right.

BTW: it once again looks dirtier in photo than in person (so to speak).

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> A wee bit over 25 lb including bag. The content fit pretty easily, with
> some strategic placement, but 25 lb is enough to waggle the rear in even
> slight transitions -- the Dahon is not the best rear loader, at least with
> a saddlebag. I bet it would do better with a rack and panniers, or perhaps
> even a porteur rack.
>
> But while it is the default bike for the very nearby grocery -- I can ride
> it in slip ons, and its compact design is a bit more easy to wheel in the
> aisles -- it's not the bike I'd usually take to Sprouts, 6+ miles away.
>
> I actually carried ~35 lb on the Dahon, including a 24 pack of bottles, in
> the modified Lands' End bag, but the hassle of closing that up for even a
> short ride negates its benefits.
>
> The dog smells supper -- Sunday is Meatfare Sunday in the Orthodox church,
> the last day to eat meat before Easter on May 1st. (What? May 1st? Yes,
> even with the Gregorian calendar.) The following Sunday is Cheesefare, so
> we'll have a feast of blinis.
>
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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Neil]

I leave an Acorn seat bag permanently attached to a Brooks special, and 
never have a worry. Where I live, in the 'burbs, I have the feeling that 
anything remotely Rivendellian looks old, and not-valuable. Right down to 
the lugs on my Sam. And I'm OK with that.

I would agree, through, that the weirder the bag (up to and including the 
Sackville Saddlesack, the weirdest of all!) the less likely it is to be 
molested. 




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>
> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>
> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>
> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
> out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
> had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
> seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>
> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
> thoughts/experience on this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
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[RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Ryan Fleming]

I thought you weren't that crazy about M-bars

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 12:13:28 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe. 
>
> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll 
> leave well enough alone.
>
> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a 
> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes 
> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in 
> order to install a light.
>
> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto 
> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>
>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: V-brakes & front racks

[Leslie]

My Bombadil has the fork-top braze-ons, so to have a solid support for a 
Platrack to hold a Wald, I ran a Tubus rear rack on the front.  If I was 
running cantis, wouldn't have been as complex, but I'd decided to run Paul 
Motolites before thinking about mounting racks.  Had to get creative, 
bending the rack strut w/ the rack mount on the strut, in order to clear 
the brake's cross-bar.   

https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7460283524/in/album-72157623199721925/
 
(and toggle forward and backward a pic to see the bends, and mounted)

Another brake, like a Shimano, and then changing arm lengths, would have 
been easier



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>
> Today's BLUG mention of potential conflict with V-brakes blocking the hole 
> in the fork crown & causing a fit problem with racks reminded me of 
> kinda-sorta almost having that issue when I changed my Atlantis over to 
> Vs.  I use a small Nitto front rack that mounts to that fork crown hole.  
> On the original Vs that I used the noodle boot contacted the rack strut.  
> Not enough to cause problems but it had zero clearance.  It worked but when 
> I came across a brake with slightly longer arms (107 mm vs 102 mm, IIRC), I 
> installed the longer arm.  No change in braking power or other 
> functionality but now plenty of clearance above the rack strut.  
>
> These generic Shimano brakes retail for less than $30 so a cheap & easy 
> fix if you run into the same conflict.  Tektro has similar brakes.  As it 
> turns out there's a lot of brake arm lengths out there to choose from.  My 
> wife's Atlantis has TRP mini-Vs that work with standard pull road levers 
> (the Tiagras that came on the bike) and the cable is lower than the fork 
> crown hole.  
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] That dirty Hoss ...

[Scott Henry]

Here they are from the original manufacturer
https://www.frostriver.com/shop/bike-bags/gunflint-trail-seat-bag/


and the rest of the offerings:
https://www.frostriver.com/product-category/bike-bags/


Scott


On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:
> Wish they made those bags again.  I do not know why Riv stopped selling
> them.
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe.
>>
>> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll
>> leave well enough alone.
>>
>> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a
>> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes
>> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in
>> order to install a light.
>>
>> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto
>> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>>
>>
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>> revolves.) Carthusian motto
>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[NickBull]

I have RB0453, orange, which also had the same type of dropout.  However, 
the join between the dropout and chainstay cracked a few years ago and I 
had it repaired by Bilenky.  The failure was not in the "slender sections 
of steel".

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:53:34 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Les - yes, exactly!  Only now I'm really confused because I thought that 
> the very last batch of Ram's sold were painted green.  So...if the same 
> Japanese shop that brazed together the originals did the entire run they 
> must have randomly used the "pierced" dropout as they went along.  To tell 
> the truth, it's always kind of made me nervous, because even though It has 
> no cracks or signs of failure (yet)  I view it as a potential weak point - 
> those slender sections of steel.  It would be interesting to know of the 
> Ram owners who have had dropout failures, how many of their frames has this 
> particular design.
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:42:01 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> George,
>> Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
>> one?
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange 
>>> Ram has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
>>> batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
>>>  Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
>>> your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:

 Hi George, 
 Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
 reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any 
 more- 
 my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
 didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
 derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
 couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
 grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
 I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a 
 model designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.


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>
> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special 
> bike, 
> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and 
> it 
> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. 
> date 
> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about 
> the 
> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>
> Thanks, George
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) 
>> with 
>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for 
>> fair 
>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year 
>> round 
>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender 
>> it 
>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>>
>>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard 
>>> to put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Leslie]

George,

My green Ram is one of the last batch, w/ the mid-fork braze-ons, and does 
have the pieced windows on the dropouts;   I've recently gotten my son an 
orange Ram, a tall one, and AAMOF, it needed its derailleur hanger 
replaced, had Bilenky fix it up, but RBW supplied the dropout... and it is 
the pierced one, too, to match the original that was replaced. 

Actually, I just ran and looked:  my Romulus has the pierced dropouts, 
too... 

I really would ponder if a dropout on a Ram or a Rom is solid, if it had 
been replaced for some reason.   


-L

  

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:53:34 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Les - yes, exactly!  Only now I'm really confused because I thought that 
> the very last batch of Ram's sold were painted green.  So...if the same 
> Japanese shop that brazed together the originals did the entire run they 
> must have randomly used the "pierced" dropout as they went along.  To tell 
> the truth, it's always kind of made me nervous, because even though It has 
> no cracks or signs of failure (yet)  I view it as a potential weak point - 
> those slender sections of steel.  It would be interesting to know of the 
> Ram owners who have had dropout failures, how many of their frames has this 
> particular design.
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:42:01 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> George,
>> Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
>> one?
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange 
>>> Ram has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
>>> batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
>>>  Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
>>> your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:

 Hi George, 
 Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
 reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any 
 more- 
 my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
 didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
 derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
 couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
 grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
 I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a 
 model designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.


 On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special 
> bike, 
> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and 
> it 
> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. 
> date 
> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about 
> the 
> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>
> Thanks, George
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) 
>> with 
>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for 
>> fair 
>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year 
>> round 
>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender 
>> it 
>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>>
>>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard 
>>> to put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the 
demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.  

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24 
> hours til pickup!
>
> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't 
> ever seen the blue in person.
>
>
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[RBW] FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

[Keith Muller]

For anyone who wants a little more info on the Saluki.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html

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[RBW] Re: New Stuinniker bag evolution

[Philip Williamson]

Those are cool. The bullmoose bag makes me think you could do an awesome 
Jones truss fork bag. 

What's the etymology of "Stuinniker?" It's one of those words that now pop 
into my head and get onto a loop. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com 


On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 8:00:27 AM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Spring is coming! I can't wait to go bike camping. This winter I have been 
> making all my own bike packing bags. I have some ideas on a new type of 
> rear rack top bag. It is my next project, but for now,
> the development ot the Stuinniker front rack bag continues. 
> I used X-pac expedition fabric and padded the bottom third of the bag with 
> closed cell foam that is glue laminated between two layers of fabric. (I 
> used X-pac for my frame bags too). When used as a basket bag, I can let the 
> U-lock bounce around in the bag without worrying it's going to wear out the 
> fabric. The sorta rigid bottom allowed me to get rid of all the load 
> control straps except for the two side straps. Instead of using ABS as the 
> snap plate, I used carbon fiber and a modified draw latch. The snap plate 
> is removable when used as a basket bag. The small black bag is a bag I made 
> for my son for his bullmoosed Stumpy. For more photos, search #Stuinniker 
> on Instagram. 
>
> Peace
> Clayton (Bend)
>

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[RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Joe Bernard]

Bill, it actually looks cleaner in the photos than I remember, and I last saw 
Hoss only a week ago. It got to Patrick missing a strap I know was in the box, 
so I've decided some lunatic at USPS unboxed it; gave it a scrub; and lost a 
strap. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm dying to see what you guys do with these bikespictures and ride 
impressions, pleeze

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 1:08:00 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the 
> demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.  
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24 
>> hours til pickup!
>>
>> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't 
>> ever seen the blue in person.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Mark Williams]

Very attractive bike!  Are those Esge fenders?

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 9:54:44 AM UTC-8, thalasin wrote:
>
>
> 
> I own RB 031, also with the pierced dropout.  I bought the bike used on 
> EBay in 2003-ish (no one else bid on it!?) and it is really nicely spec'd. 
>  I changed out the stem and put on narrower bars, but that's about it and 
> thus I don't know the status of my rear brake bridge.  
>
> I've also been curious as to the value of the bike.  Every so often, I toy 
> with the idea of selling it but then think better of it.
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Mark Williams]

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 9:54:44 AM UTC-8, thalasin wrote:
>
>
> 
> I own RB 031, also with the pierced dropout.  I bought the bike used on 
> EBay in 2003-ish (no one else bid on it!?) and it is really nicely spec'd. 
>  I changed out the stem and put on narrower bars, but that's about it and 
> thus I don't know the status of my rear brake bridge.  
>
> I've also been curious as to the value of the bike.  Every so often, I toy 
> with the idea of selling it but then think better of it.
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Patrick Moore]

Chris: I'll let you know. I am just about (God willing) to ride the Hon
with Hoss to a grocery 6 miles way, and will return with a noticeable load.

With the earlier bags I've rigged, certainly not as well suited for secure
mounting as the Hoss, I found that even 30 lb loads were surprisingly
manageable while pedaling, but, very oddly, that while pushing the bike, I
had to use 2 hands to keep it under control -- rear wagging was far more
noticeable while pushing than while pedaling.

Lee: This is my second Hoss, and I've used many other saddlebags, large and
small, including a Medium Sackville without support. The Medium carries as
much or even more than the Hoss. Believe me, the Sackville design, for ease
of filling, capacity, and stability, is far, far better than any other,
including the Hoss. If I could have gotten a Sackville M for the same $40
shipped that I paid for the Hoss, I'd have taken it.

IMO, the Sackville is well worth the price -- just not to me, for this
purpose.

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

Now that you mention it, I didn't see the blue in person either.  All the 
demos were mustard, and my 'Loosa is mustard.  

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:49:58 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24 
> hours til pickup!
>
> I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't 
> ever seen the blue in person.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] That dirty Hoss ...

[Lee Legrand]

Wish they made those bags again.  I do not know why Riv stopped selling
them.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe.
>
> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll
> leave well enough alone.
>
> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a
> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes
> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in
> order to install a light.
>
> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto
> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

Yup, I received email notice yesterday that my bike is ready. Roughly 24
hours til pickup!

I'm also eager to see the array of joes at riv HQ. And I still haven't ever
seen the blue in person.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Well if yours is "in the stand" it definitely will be ready.  They have to
> fire through at least a few per day, and Mark has one workstation.  Unless
> he's waiting for parts or something he's not going to set yours aside to
> work on somebody else's.  Enjoy it.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:28:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>>
>> Mine is not ready, yet, but I do have evidence that it exists. Dave
>> kindly sent me a photo of my rack installation. Mark had to do a bit of
>> modification, apparently, to get the rack mounted on the lower mount point,
>> but I'm very happy.
>>
>> I'm flying to the bay area tomorrow (for work), and Dave says it "should
>> be ready" for pickup on Saturday. I expect I'll find out when I show up at
>> rivHQ :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-10, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged
>>> a couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking
>>> "when can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office
>>> today instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:

 How about an unboxing video? :)

 I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread.
 Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh?

 I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday...

 On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray
  wrote:
 > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it
 unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild.
 >
 > Cheers,
 > Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

[John G]

>
> I put an AW on my QB, but I don't remember the width. I think 120 though. 
> I had a friend who is a machinist whip up a couple of non-rotation axle 
> tugs and it all went together great.
>

https://flic.kr/p/cScyTj

https://flic.kr/p/cScz1E 

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Re: [RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Christopher Murray]

Looks great. How does it change the handling of the Hon Solo?

Cheers,
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[RBW] Re: JoAppa has arrived!

[Christopher Murray]

Hello,

Bike is still in the box but I did peek in and it looks amazing. I didn't pay 
anything extra for shipping and live in the USA. The box is definitely bigger 
than a standard box so maybe that's the reason for fedex?

Cheers, 
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Patrick Moore]

Value added, my friend, value added.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> So the United States Postal Service magically transformed a bag from
> "World's Dirtiest" to "not worth the bother of cleaning"?  Is that a
> standard USPS service?
>
> :-)
>
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:13:28 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe.
>>
>> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll
>> leave well enough alone.
>>
>> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a
>> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes
>> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in
>> order to install a light.
>>
>> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto
>> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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[RBW] Re: JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

The one mechanical thing I did get to do was give the wheels a little 
touchup on the truing stand.  They were nearly perfect, but I was 
pleasantly surprised to note that the Kenda Kwick Bitumen tires have a 
folding bead.  The Appaloosaevery weight weenies favorite bike!   
 FACT! 

I also took that opportunity to ditch the pie plate.  

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 7:11:16 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I picked mine up, but I got there kind of as everyone was leaving, so I 
> kind of had to grab and go.  Also, I'm traveling this weekend as I'm team 
> mechanic for the High School team.  So I had to just hang up my 'Loosa and 
> pack up my tools instead, for the most part.  
>
>
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[RBW] Re: That dirty Hoss ...

[Bill Lindsay]

So the United States Postal Service magically transformed a bag from 
"World's Dirtiest" to "not worth the bother of cleaning"?  Is that a 
standard USPS service?

:-)

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 10:13:28 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The Hoss arrived in yesterday's mail, and here it is. Thanks, Joe. 
>
> It's not as dirty as appeared in the original photos and I think I'll 
> leave well enough alone.
>
> The Hoss is strapped to a Nitto QR support. The red cylindrical bag is a 
> Banzer custom meant for the bar, but I discovered t'other day that it takes 
> up all the very little room on the M-bar, so that I had to remove it in 
> order to install a light.
>
> Situated where it is, strapped to the Flite rails behind the Nitto 
> suppport, I can reach the zipper without removing the Hoss.
>
>
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[RBW] Any Gevenalle users?

[Jack Doran]

Hey folks,

I saw the Gevenalle shifters at NAHBS last week and have been considering 
giving their Audax model a go. I really like the Paul thumbies for 
providing a means of friction shifting near my hand position on Alba bars, 
and I am interested in getting something similar on drop bars.  

So I'm wondering if any of you have experience with the Gevenalle design. 
Is there much of a learning curve? Any issues with the shifters interfering 
with braking when you're riding on the hoods? 

Jack

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

['thalasin' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I own RB 031, also with the pierced dropout.  I bought the bike used on 
EBay in 2003-ish (no one else bid on it!?) and it is really nicely spec'd. 
 I changed out the stem and put on narrower bars, but that's about it and 
thus I don't know the status of my rear brake bridge.  

I've also been curious as to the value of the bike.  Every so often, I toy 
with the idea of selling it but then think better of it.




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[RBW] Re: FS - 4 Biopace rings

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Biopace rings are taken, pending payment. Thanks Tino.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.


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[RBW] FS: 64cm Atlantis, 2TT, chris king headset

[Michael Williams]

hey group,   Up for sale is a 64cm Atlantis,  2 top tubes,   ~ 18months young!  
 The bike is just a bit too big.  Asking $1550 for frame/ fork/  chris king 
headset+ packing/ shipping.   If at all interested,  message me off list 
please!   Thanks!  -Mike

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Brad]

I leave my Carradice saddlebag on my bike when it's locked up in NYC, and 
without any extra security. When I'm at work, I can lock my bike up where 
it can't be seen from the street. There's a security guard posted pretty 
close to the bike rack. I seriously doubt the guard would stop anyone 
trying to steal my bad (or bike), but potential thieves don't seem to know 
that.

I'll lock my bike up for an hour or two in all sorts of neighborhoods, but 
never overnight. I used to worry about the Carradice, but I don't anymore. 
I don't think they register as valuable to the people who steal stuff 
around here. And like a lot of other posters have said, my bag looks pretty 
worn out and filthy.

Brad
NYC

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:11:13 PM UTC-5, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>
> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>
> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
> out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
> had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
> seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>
> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
> thoughts/experience on this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Ado Lucas]

Count me in, can't wait !!!

Amado

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
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>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Stuinniker bag evolution

[Patrick Moore]

Well done indeed! I particularly like the Bullmoose design.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 9:00 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Hi folks,
>
> Spring is coming! I can't wait to go bike camping. This winter I have been
> making all my own bike packing bags. I have some ideas on a new type of
> rear rack top bag. It is my next project, but for now,
> the development ot the Stuinniker front rack bag continues.
> I used X-pac expedition fabric and padded the bottom third of the bag with
> closed cell foam that is glue laminated between two layers of fabric. (I
> used X-pac for my frame bags too). When used as a basket bag, I can let the
> U-lock bounce around in the bag without worrying it's going to wear out the
> fabric. The sorta rigid bottom allowed me to get rid of all the load
> control straps except for the two side straps. Instead of using ABS as the
> snap plate, I used carbon fiber and a modified draw latch. The snap plate
> is removable when used as a basket bag. The small black bag is a bag I made
> for my son for his bullmoosed Stumpy. For more photos, search #Stuinniker
> on Instagram.
>
> Peace
> Clayton (Bend)
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[RBW] Re: New tire

[eflayer]

I have been running Michelin Endurance by 25mm and 28mm for the last few 
months. I love how they feel and the price from places in Great Britain are 
really great. On the other hand, not sure about their flat resistance as I 
have 2 on the same rear in about 2 months. Of course, could just be bad 
luck.

As I understand it this model is now being discontinued in favor of 
something newer / better.

http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/reviews/first-look-michelin-power-tires

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 5:56:55 PM UTC-8, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one( 
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had 
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance 
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb. 
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

[David Banzer]

If Acorn doesn't pan out, I do have enough ranger tan fabric for a few more 
bags. 
David
Chicago

On Friday, March 4, 2016 at 12:15:30 AM UTC-6, sameness wrote:
>
> Here's a possible option 
> .
>  
>
>
> Maybe hit up David and see if he's got enough fabric left over to bang out 
> another bag? 
>
> His work is great.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

I picked mine up, but I got there kind of as everyone was leaving, so I 
kind of had to grab and go.  Also, I'm traveling this weekend as I'm team 
mechanic for the High School team.  So I had to just hang up my 'Loosa and 
pack up my tools instead, for the most part.  

Anyhow, I did get to have a conversation with Grant while I was there, 
which was a lot of fun, as he and I hadn't crossed paths in a while.  One 
unexpected surprise was he enthusiastically recommended that I give the 
stock saddle a chance.  He knows it looks common, but said it's a really 
good one.  He knows I have a B17 waiting to go on, but urged me to give it 
a shot (at least while its raining).  Really cool feature is the saddle has 
a built in handle.  It's super ergo to lift the rear end of the bike by the 
saddle.  Also that handle/loop is perfect for Saddlesack loops.  It's 
neat.  I like the cranskset and pedals a lot.  I'm also happy it's a 
genuine Shimano cassette (9sp 12-36).  I picked up a set of Dutch paddle 
grips, which are nice to me because they are quite short and fit great in 
the hand.  That will allow me to run the brake levers and shifters way back 
and leave more loop up in front accessible for Laying Down the V.  :-)  
Yellow Newbaums will appoint the loops/hooks with ample amber shellac.  The 
headset also looks top-notch.  The tiny detail that always warms my heart 
to see is on the seat lug.  At the bottom of the slot that allows you to 
clamp the seatpost, there's a stress relief circle.  Around that circle is 
a raised reinforcement ring.  It's a small thing, that is obviously a good 
thing, if you bother to do it when you are going to the trouble of casting 
a seat lug.  Anyhow, I always like it when that raised ring is painted 
cream, and it is on my Appaloosa, which makes me smile.  

Depending on what exactly I decide to run as a front rack, I might trim all 
the cables and housings.  I'm suspecting I may end up slamming the 
Choco-mooses, but we'll see.

Apologies for no photos or ride info.  I was just too busy packing all my 
tools.  Once I was done, I thought about working on the 'Loosabut then 
all my tools were packed!  :-(
I guess I could have at least ridden it around the block, but it was 
raining and cold, and I didn't want to suit up for it.  I was happy to just 
stare for a bit

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

I also got to see familiar faces Dave and Will, and met delightful new-guy 
Roman for the first time.  There was a full size run of demo 'Loosas built 
up on the floor, so if you fancy a test ride, they are ready.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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>
> FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it unboxed. 
> Can't wait to see them in the wild.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Will]

Good for stems, good for racks, good for seat posts and seat rails...

http://www.urbanbiketech.com/product-p/pitstopper.htm

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:52:36 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Since you are going to zip-tie it or similar, you should also ask how many 
> people have had a basket stolen.  
>
> Everyone has heard of a saddle/seatpost being stolen, and a thief with a 
> multi-tool could unbolt a $200 Nitto rack in about a minute, so there is 
> definitely a degree of risk no matter what when you leave valuable things 
> unattended.  It's a matter of how much you trust your particular 
> environment and then deciding whether or not to take on that risk.  
>
> I'm personally on the very trusting side of the spectrum and have not been 
> burned yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
>> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>>
>> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
>> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
>> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
>> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>>
>> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were 
>> stolen out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the 
>> thief had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That 
>> bag was seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>>
>> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
>> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
>> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
>> thoughts/experience on this?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
>> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
>> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Kieran J]

The vast majority of the Rams I've seen (including most of those posted on 
Cyclofiend) have the window dropout. Oranges thru to Greens.

My 68 Orange #RB0384 has it.

KJ


On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:53:34 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Les - yes, exactly!  Only now I'm really confused because I thought that 
> the very last batch of Ram's sold were painted green.  So...if the same 
> Japanese shop that brazed together the originals did the entire run they 
> must have randomly used the "pierced" dropout as they went along.  To tell 
> the truth, it's always kind of made me nervous, because even though It has 
> no cracks or signs of failure (yet)  I view it as a potential weak point - 
> those slender sections of steel.  It would be interesting to know of the 
> Ram owners who have had dropout failures, how many of their frames has this 
> particular design.
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:42:01 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> George,
>> Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
>> one?
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>  
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[William R.]

I am patiently waiting for a notice that mine has shipped. In the past it has 
always been UPS. Chris: if you don't mind me asking: did you pay extra for 
FedEx or is that the carrier that Riv is using these days to ship completes? Or 
perhaps you are international? Just interested.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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