Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

Nice!  A set of black Pari-Motos would go really well with that machine; 
have you tried them?

For comparison:



















(No pump that day; I was out picking up a pair of chainstays for a new 
frame and wasn't sure if they'd foul and then knock the pump loose. 
 Pari-Motos on this thing because it's got fender spacing for Nokian A10s 
and Confreries look a little undersized under fenders this large.)

-david parsons


On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:03:16 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 04/14/2017 09:55 PM, Orc wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 6:42:55 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>> On 04/14/2017 09:35 PM, Orc wrote: 
>> > The Zefal frame pumps are pretty good pumps, and they aren't the theft 
>> > magnets the new(ish) SKS semi-mini floor pumps is, but the one I have 
>> > takes something around 100 pumps to get a Pari-Moto up to 30 psi, 
>> > which is just barely enough to make it not unridably sloshy. 
>> > 
>> > But, yes, I concede this point:  if I had SKS semi-mini floor pumps 
>> > for all of my machines this wouldn't be an issue, though then I'd 
>> > leave all those carefully brazed on pump pegs going to waste. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>>
>> I get a 42mm Hetre up to 50 psi with 100 strokes of a Zefal HPX.  50 psi 
>> is my normal operating pressure with that tire. 
>>
>>
> Want to trade pumps?
>
>
> Not a chance.  Here's my HPX 4.
>
>
>
> It didn't come that way.  It took a few hours with varying grades of 
> sandpaper and steel wool and aluminum polish to get it that way: sweat 
> equity.
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 6-speed Freewheel

[Eric Norris]

Anybody out there have a British-threaded 6S freewheel hanging around? I'm 
looking for one in about 13-28 to 14-30 size. 

Thanks in advance. 

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Re: [RBW] Phil BB advice/experience needed

[Patrick Moore]

You are very welcome. I too was tempted to stick the 130 symmetrical on a
support and hit the left side of the spindle with a hammer, but I'm glad I
waited the 10 days or so required to get the thing back to Phil, adjusted,
and back to me.

FWIW, I've got 13100 miles on one Phil, almost 11K on another -- these are
the lightweight ti spindle ones, and neither removed from their respective
frames since initial installment -- and both are still smooth. I think
that, if I were doing a global trek, I'd choose a SKF, but otherwise, I
have no qualms about Phil bb assemblies or hubs.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> That is good advice and certainly good information.  I know there are ways
> I see mentioned about a DIY change in the offset but I am resisting that.
> I would much rather have PW do it right.  I have another crankset and BB I
> can use in the meantime.
>
> Alas, I only have the 130 symmetrical so I am no help there.  I do know
> what you mean though about the excess clearance on the non-drive side.  The
> small offset I need on the drive side will certainly not fix that issue.
> That said, working on the drive side and correctly, while still using the
> stash parts, will be a great thing.
>
> Big thanks for the help!  Much appreciated...
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 10:06:58 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I expect it will work, but it looks as if you need an offset 130. Phil
>> will do that for you for a small fee, plus postage: IIRC, $10.
>>
>> When I switched the Matthews to a Logic, I ordered a symmetrical 130 and
>> found myself in your situation, I sent it back for offsetting, and wala,
>> the problem, as Inspector Clouseau would say, is solve'd.
>>
>> Actually, I could have, after all, used a 127.5 with arms skimming the
>> stays by 3 mm; if you have an offset 127.5, I'll trade for my offset 130.
>> My right arm skims, but the left has free air left over.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, whose widest Phil was a custom 145 symmetrical for using a
>> Pro 5 Vis on a frame that took 60s with fenders and room for mud.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
>>
>>> Since I trust people here more than most, I decided I would ask instead
>>> oh assuming or hoping...
>>>
>>> I am installing a Sugino AT triple (50/38/26) on a Joe.   I am using a
>>> 130mm Phil Wood bottom bracket that I happened to have in the stash,
>>> knowing that something even more exotic (127.5/+5?) is called out but
>>> thinking 130 symmetric would be fine.  I am a pragmatist, what can I say...
>>>
>>> That said, I have installed the BB and cranks and to make it all work
>>> the drive side cup (Phil) is only half way in, so let's say 4 out of 9
>>> actual threads showing, 4.5-5 threads in the frame.  The question is, is
>>> that enough?  Would you trust that?  I think it is probably at the edge but
>>> also ok  - but I am looking for confirmation.  If it is not so ok, I have
>>> other options, though not as desirable.
>>>
>>> Any experience or knowledge of such things?
>>>
>>> All help appreciated...
>>>
>>> Bob Lovejoy
>>> Galesburg, IL
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Re: [RBW] Phil BB advice/experience needed

[Bob Lovejoy]

Patrick,

That is good advice and certainly good information.  I know there are ways 
I see mentioned about a DIY change in the offset but I am resisting that. 
 I would much rather have PW do it right.  I have another crankset and BB I 
can use in the meantime.

Alas, I only have the 130 symmetrical so I am no help there.  I do know 
what you mean though about the excess clearance on the non-drive side.  The 
small offset I need on the drive side will certainly not fix that issue. 
 That said, working on the drive side and correctly, while still using the 
stash parts, will be a great thing.

Big thanks for the help!  Much appreciated...

Bob


On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 10:06:58 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I expect it will work, but it looks as if you need an offset 130. Phil 
> will do that for you for a small fee, plus postage: IIRC, $10. 
>
> When I switched the Matthews to a Logic, I ordered a symmetrical 130 and 
> found myself in your situation, I sent it back for offsetting, and wala, 
> the problem, as Inspector Clouseau would say, is solve'd.
>
> Actually, I could have, after all, used a 127.5 with arms skimming the 
> stays by 3 mm; if you have an offset 127.5, I'll trade for my offset 130. 
> My right arm skims, but the left has free air left over.
>
> Patrick Moore, whose widest Phil was a custom 145 symmetrical for using a 
> Pro 5 Vis on a frame that took 60s with fenders and room for mud.
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Bob Lovejoy  > wrote:
>
>> Since I trust people here more than most, I decided I would ask instead 
>> oh assuming or hoping...
>>
>> I am installing a Sugino AT triple (50/38/26) on a Joe.   I am using a 
>> 130mm Phil Wood bottom bracket that I happened to have in the stash, 
>> knowing that something even more exotic (127.5/+5?) is called out but 
>> thinking 130 symmetric would be fine.  I am a pragmatist, what can I say...
>>
>> That said, I have installed the BB and cranks and to make it all work the 
>> drive side cup (Phil) is only half way in, so let's say 4 out of 9 actual 
>> threads showing, 4.5-5 threads in the frame.  The question is, is that 
>> enough?  Would you trust that?  I think it is probably at the edge but also 
>> ok  - but I am looking for confirmation.  If it is not so ok, I have other 
>> options, though not as desirable.  
>>
>> Any experience or knowledge of such things?
>>
>> All help appreciated...
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
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Re: [RBW] Phil BB advice/experience needed

[Patrick Moore]

I expect it will work, but it looks as if you need an offset 130. Phil will
do that for you for a small fee, plus postage: IIRC, $10.

When I switched the Matthews to a Logic, I ordered a symmetrical 130 and
found myself in your situation, I sent it back for offsetting, and wala,
the problem, as Inspector Clouseau would say, is solve'd.

Actually, I could have, after all, used a 127.5 with arms skimming the
stays by 3 mm; if you have an offset 127.5, I'll trade for my offset 130.
My right arm skims, but the left has free air left over.

Patrick Moore, whose widest Phil was a custom 145 symmetrical for using a
Pro 5 Vis on a frame that took 60s with fenders and room for mud.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Since I trust people here more than most, I decided I would ask instead oh
> assuming or hoping...
>
> I am installing a Sugino AT triple (50/38/26) on a Joe.   I am using a
> 130mm Phil Wood bottom bracket that I happened to have in the stash,
> knowing that something even more exotic (127.5/+5?) is called out but
> thinking 130 symmetric would be fine.  I am a pragmatist, what can I say...
>
> That said, I have installed the BB and cranks and to make it all work the
> drive side cup (Phil) is only half way in, so let's say 4 out of 9 actual
> threads showing, 4.5-5 threads in the frame.  The question is, is that
> enough?  Would you trust that?  I think it is probably at the edge but also
> ok  - but I am looking for confirmation.  If it is not so ok, I have other
> options, though not as desirable.
>
> Any experience or knowledge of such things?
>
> All help appreciated...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 6:42:55 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 04/14/2017 09:35 PM, Orc wrote: 
> > The Zefal frame pumps are pretty good pumps, and they aren't the theft 
> > magnets the new(ish) SKS semi-mini floor pumps is, but the one I have 
> > takes something around 100 pumps to get a Pari-Moto up to 30 psi, 
> > which is just barely enough to make it not unridably sloshy. 
> > 
> > But, yes, I concede this point:  if I had SKS semi-mini floor pumps 
> > for all of my machines this wouldn't be an issue, though then I'd 
> > leave all those carefully brazed on pump pegs going to waste. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
> I get a 42mm Hetre up to 50 psi with 100 strokes of a Zefal HPX.  50 psi 
> is my normal operating pressure with that tire. 
>
>
Want to trade pumps?

-david "helpful" parsons 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/14/2017 09:35 PM, Orc wrote:
The Zefal frame pumps are pretty good pumps, and they aren't the theft 
magnets the new(ish) SKS semi-mini floor pumps is, but the one I have 
takes something around 100 pumps to get a Pari-Moto up to 30 psi, 
which is just barely enough to make it not unridably sloshy.


But, yes, I concede this point:  if I had SKS semi-mini floor pumps 
for all of my machines this wouldn't be an issue, though then I'd 
leave all those carefully brazed on pump pegs going to waste.






I get a 42mm Hetre up to 50 psi with 100 strokes of a Zefal HPX.  50 psi 
is my normal operating pressure with that tire.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

The Zefal frame pumps are pretty good pumps, and they aren't the theft 
magnets the new(ish) SKS semi-mini floor pumps is, but the one I have takes 
something around 100 pumps to get a Pari-Moto up to 30 psi, which is just 
barely enough to make it not unridably sloshy. 

But, yes, I concede this point:  if I had SKS semi-mini floor pumps for all 
of my machines this wouldn't be an issue, though then I'd leave all those 
carefully brazed on pump pegs going to waste.


-david parsons

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 5:47:25 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> You need a better pump.
>
> On 04/14/2017 07:11 PM, Orc wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:00:05 AM UTC-7, Orc wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> I've found 3.5 advantages
>>
>>
>Actually 4.5;  even with a 38 it takes *forever* to pump up a tire.
>
>
>   -david "Pari-Motos aren't as bad as Parigi-Roubaix for being flat 
> magnets, but they're sufficient for the task" parsons 
>
>
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[RBW] Phil BB advice/experience needed

[Bob Lovejoy]

Since I trust people here more than most, I decided I would ask instead oh 
assuming or hoping...

I am installing a Sugino AT triple (50/38/26) on a Joe.   I am using a 
130mm Phil Wood bottom bracket that I happened to have in the stash, 
knowing that something even more exotic (127.5/+5?) is called out but 
thinking 130 symmetric would be fine.  I am a pragmatist, what can I say...

That said, I have installed the BB and cranks and to make it all work the 
drive side cup (Phil) is only half way in, so let's say 4 out of 9 actual 
threads showing, 4.5-5 threads in the frame.  The question is, is that 
enough?  Would you trust that?  I think it is probably at the edge but also 
ok  - but I am looking for confirmation.  If it is not so ok, I have other 
options, though not as desirable.  

Any experience or knowledge of such things?

All help appreciated...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Eric Karnes]

I have a 1x9 drivetrain on my AHH. 40t up front and an old ultegra 11-28 
cassette in back. I really like it. Works great on the roads and trails around 
Philly. But I'm a pretty lazy shifter, so even when I had a FD, I never used 
it. I also highly recommend the narrow/wide 1x chainrings from Wolf Tooth. Very 
nice and completely eliminate dropped chains.

Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Steve Palincsar]

You need a better pump.


On 04/14/2017 07:11 PM, Orc wrote:



On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:00:05 AM UTC-7, Orc wrote:



I've found 3.5 advantages


   Actually 4.5;  even with a 38 it takes *forever* to pump up a tire.


  -david "Pari-Motos aren't as bad as Parigi-Roubaix for being flat 
magnets, but they're sufficient for the task" parsons




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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:00:05 AM UTC-7, Orc wrote:
>
>
>
> I've found 3.5 advantages
>
>
   Actually 4.5;  even with a 38 it takes *forever* to pump up a tire.


  -david "Pari-Motos aren't as bad as Parigi-Roubaix for being flat 
magnets, but they're sufficient for the task" parsons 

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Garth]

Do a 1x8 or 9 if that's what you're used. More gears is not necessarily 
better than less. Being able to spin at different cadences in a given gear 
is a great thing .  I used to be a shiftaholic, trying to maintain a 
certain cadence all the time. Not anymore, I really just don't care to 
shift if I don't really have to.   But hey, I am still using 6 and 7 speed 
freewheels and the times I tried an 8 sp. cassette wheel it felt like one 
cog way too many. After using 6 even 7 seems a bit much. 




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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Hugh Smitham]

Anytime Joe!!

How does June sound?

~Hugh"suds"Smitham


On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:24:33 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
> dammit Hugh won't ya come up and drink some suds with me too?
> =- Joe
> 
> On 4/14/17, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> > Hey Buddy!
> >
> > See what I mean Bro. It's like that.
> >
> > I personally didn't like the bag myself it was clumsy and awkward and too
> > small (* probably why it was discontinued or some other reason.) but it
> > looked great! So no I don't want it. But I will surely ride and drink some
> > suds with you.
> >
> > Hugh" *I don't really care why".Smitham
> >
> > On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:21:55 AM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
> >>
> >> LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state of
> >>
> >> mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there if
> >>
> >> you didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would make
> >>
> >> a red cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and
> >> asked what's up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or txted
> >>
> >> if thats to big a step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who
> >> wouldn't buy his pal a beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying of
> >>
> >> thirst (but I happen to love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the
> >> bag for what it cost and shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard" id
> >>
> >> of easily said sure but we couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up here
> >>
> >> for shots n giggles and perhaps as a warning to who ya might want to or
> >> not
> >> deal with (myself included in that)...if you are local socal and
> >> interested
> >> in the bag hit me up. your welcome to it for what I paid which is what you
> >>
> >> woulda paid anyway. I will ask ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps a
> >>
> >> ride to talk about bikes and other cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC,
> >> BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this Truly was one of the dumbest
> >> threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here again I will make sure to
> >>
> >> include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know my money is going
> >> right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample amounts of
> >> money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N
> >> Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my I
> >>
> >> voted for Trump t shirt off first !)
> >>
> >> best,
> >>
> >> Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !)
> >>
> >> Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios
> >>
> >> Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios
> >>
> >> Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios
> >>
> >> Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we don't
> >>
> >> like then reow Rios
> >>
> >> much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person who
> >>
> >> are cool.
> >>
> >> To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on
> >> this one HA!
> >>
> >>
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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for the positive remarks. I agree with you Joe. I too find that the 
bike looks great in each of the colors Rivendell has chosen. It is pleasing 
to the eye and within the limits of sanity would likely look good in most 
if not all shades. Of paramount importance, it is a joy to ride.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 3:10:04 PM UTC-4, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Enjoying a lovely Spring day here in Tidewater, Virginia. Temp about 68 
> degrees, mostly sunny, about a 10mph breeze. Perfect day for a shake down 
> cruise on the new Appaloosa recently purchased from a list member who 
> generously offered this new-and-in-the-box bike at a more than generous 
> price and with whom it was an absolute pleasure to deal. My hope was that 
> I'd grow old with this bike and I find nothing to dash that hope. It is an 
> absolute pleasure to ride and will handle anything I might throw at it. 
> Plan is to  zip tie a medium Wald to the Mark's rack and from time to time 
> use a Sackville saddlebag (medium or large) as missions dictate. 
> Hope you enjoy the pics at: https://www.flickr.com/photos/149631067@N08/?.
> I enjoy reading the postings on this list and its civil tone. I've learned 
> a bunch from you Bunchers.
> Thanks, Marc.
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[RBW] Re: FS or FT: Brooks, Bridgestone MB4 Xtracycle, Shimano, Suntour, Sugino,

[Coconutbill]

>
> Suntour Stem Shifters $10
>>
>  

> Suntour XC Pro Front Derailleur x3  $24  3 different sizes... one has a 
>> stripped out limit screw
>>
>  

> Silver/IRD Thumbies $70 + shipping
>>
>  

> Tektro Adjustable Cantis (similar to Paul, missing a part) $30
>>
>
these parts are still available. thank you. 

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[RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[JohnS]

Hello Chris,

I have a 1x7 on Salsa Casseroll, works great. My advise would be to have 
the chain ring align with the center cog. That way the chain deflection is 
minimized. Also try to use a chain ring size which would work with the 
center cog to give you a comfortable cruising gear. This way you have an 
even division of higher and lower gears from it. I'm using a 14-34 cassette 
and a 44 chain ring. 

Good luck,
JohnS

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:01:57 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Was wondering if anyone here has tried this kind of set up on one of Riv's 
> more roadish bikes?  I have a Soma San Marcos with the typical 2 chain 
> rings and was kind of thinking of trying a 1X.  I had a Surly Krampus with 
> a 1X.  If you do have this set up what are your components and do you like 
> it?  My area is flat to rolling hills mostly so I don't have to slay any 
> mountains.  I have most of my other bikes set up (even the Riv's) with an 
> Alfine 8 so I don't think I would feel like I'm too limited with 
> enough gearing options.  Its attractive to me as I tend to prefer simple 
> set ups in general - hence all the IGHs in the stable.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bunik]

OOPS! ok folks, it's Friday- is it time for suds yet?
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 4/14/17, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> dammit Hugh won't ya come up and drink some suds with me too?
> =- Joe
>
> On 4/14/17, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
>> Hey Buddy!
>>
>> See what I mean Bro. It's like that.
>>
>> I personally didn't like the bag myself it was clumsy and awkward and too
>> small (* probably why it was discontinued or some other reason.) but it
>> looked great! So no I don't want it. But I will surely ride and drink
>> some
>> suds with you.
>>
>> Hugh" *I don't really care why".Smitham
>>
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:21:55 AM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state
>>> of
>>>
>>> mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there
>>> if
>>>
>>> you didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would
>>> make
>>>
>>> a red cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and
>>> asked what's up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or
>>> txted
>>>
>>> if thats to big a step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who
>>> wouldn't buy his pal a beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying
>>> of
>>>
>>> thirst (but I happen to love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the
>>> bag for what it cost and shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard"
>>> id
>>>
>>> of easily said sure but we couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up
>>> here
>>>
>>> for shots n giggles and perhaps as a warning to who ya might want to or
>>> not
>>> deal with (myself included in that)...if you are local socal and
>>> interested
>>> in the bag hit me up. your welcome to it for what I paid which is what
>>> you
>>>
>>> woulda paid anyway. I will ask ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps
>>> a
>>>
>>> ride to talk about bikes and other cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC,
>>> BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this Truly was one of the dumbest
>>> threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here again I will make sure
>>> to
>>>
>>> include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know my money is going
>>> right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample amounts of
>>> money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N
>>> Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my
>>> I
>>>
>>> voted for Trump t shirt off first !)
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
>>> Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !)
>>>
>>> Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios
>>>
>>> Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios
>>>
>>> Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios
>>>
>>> Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we
>>> don't
>>>
>>> like then reow Rios
>>>
>>> much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person
>>> who
>>>
>>> are cool.
>>>
>>> To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on
>>> this one HA!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Joe Bunik]

dammit Hugh won't ya come up and drink some suds with me too?
=- Joe

On 4/14/17, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Hey Buddy!
>
> See what I mean Bro. It's like that.
>
> I personally didn't like the bag myself it was clumsy and awkward and too
> small (* probably why it was discontinued or some other reason.) but it
> looked great! So no I don't want it. But I will surely ride and drink some
> suds with you.
>
> Hugh" *I don't really care why".Smitham
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:21:55 AM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>>
>> LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state of
>>
>> mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there if
>>
>> you didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would make
>>
>> a red cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and
>> asked what's up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or txted
>>
>> if thats to big a step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who
>> wouldn't buy his pal a beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying of
>>
>> thirst (but I happen to love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the
>> bag for what it cost and shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard" id
>>
>> of easily said sure but we couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up here
>>
>> for shots n giggles and perhaps as a warning to who ya might want to or
>> not
>> deal with (myself included in that)...if you are local socal and
>> interested
>> in the bag hit me up. your welcome to it for what I paid which is what you
>>
>> woulda paid anyway. I will ask ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps a
>>
>> ride to talk about bikes and other cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC,
>> BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this Truly was one of the dumbest
>> threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here again I will make sure to
>>
>> include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know my money is going
>> right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample amounts of
>> money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N
>> Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my I
>>
>> voted for Trump t shirt off first !)
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !)
>>
>> Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios
>>
>> Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios
>>
>> Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios
>>
>> Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we don't
>>
>> like then reow Rios
>>
>> much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person who
>>
>> are cool.
>>
>> To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on
>> this one HA!
>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Hugh Smitham]

Hey Buddy!

See what I mean Bro. It's like that.

I personally didn't like the bag myself it was clumsy and awkward and too 
small (* probably why it was discontinued or some other reason.) but it 
looked great! So no I don't want it. But I will surely ride and drink some 
suds with you.

Hugh" *I don't really care why".Smitham

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:21:55 AM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> LOL! you all are strange. Perhaps less time on the internet in a state of 
> mental moral high ground  and in the real world. My number was up there if 
> you didn't see the humor or like the pricing or worried someone would make 
> a red cent on something so morally reprehensible you coulda called and 
> asked what's up. if you really wanted the bag, you coulda called or txted 
> if thats to big a step for ya and said I'm a cheapskate kinda person who 
> wouldn't buy his pal a beer if he were stranded in the Sahara and dying of 
> thirst (but I happen to love kinda expensive bike crap) can you send the 
> bag for what it cost and shipping. since I'm not an internet "richard" id 
> of easily said sure but we couldn't be friends. I gonna leave this up here 
> for shots n giggles and perhaps as a warning to who ya might want to or not 
> deal with (myself included in that)...if you are local socal and interested 
> in the bag hit me up. your welcome to it for what I paid which is what you 
> woulda paid anyway. I will ask ya ta buy me a beer on principal, perhaps a 
> ride to talk about bikes and other cool shit velvits, stooges, BRMC, 
> BJM,MMA,BJJ,fringe,x files any one?... this Truly was one of the dumbest 
> threads ever. if ever i go to sell anything here again I will make sure to 
> include plenty of Golly Gee, Awe Shucks, and you know my money is going 
> right back to Riv !) I will also make sure I am losing ample amounts of 
> money on said stuff as to please the internet gods. Gosh (said in N 
> Dynamite voice)this will be difficult though, as I will have to take my I 
> voted for Trump t shirt off first !) 
>
> best, 
>
> Richard it not be rum but beer im spongin for Rios !) 
>
> Richard I suggest boxers rather than briefs that are to right Rios 
>
> Richard damn now how's my kid supposed ta eat Rios 
>
> Richard damn have a sense of humor would ya Rios 
>
> Richard dang we are all pals on these posts till ya say something we don't 
> like then reow Rios 
>
> much love to am the normies on the list and peeps I have met in person who 
> are cool. 
>
> To a recently made friend on a local ride guess I got out of my lane on 
> this one HA! 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: kindness

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks guys. Hey Patrick, i didn't mean to call you - i leave my phone in my 
scrubs pocket and have a bad habit of pocket dialling when i run.

My friend's name was John Lee; we worked together in the ER for a while and in 
2011 when i was prepping to bike across canada he taught me a bit about bike 
maintenance.  When i returned enthused, i moved into a place quite close to his 
and he'd come over quite regularly to have a glass of whiskey and wrench on 
bikes or just chat.

I suspect 99% of his interactions on list were probably to buy things. And he 
had no qualms about trying to get a price down. But he was one of the most 
generous people i've ever met; he'd fight to get a price down, then give the 
part away to a friend.

Anyway, i appreciate all the positivity.

Thanks,

Sky 

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> 
> My deep condolences for the loss of your friend, Sky. Your friend was part of 
> this group? So often people just go their own ways, so we don't always know 
> why. May I ask who your friend was?
> 
> You are spot on! This is an amazing group with amazing people who interact 
> with genuine love, even when things get a bit testy at times (often 
> correlated with winter grouchies). It is this groups fault that I invested in 
> bike tools and took up (most of) my own wrenching -- another form of therapy 
> for my bludgeoned brain. How wonderful that yesterday I heard a creak and 
> groan in my drive train, then this morning I tightened the BB non-drive side 
> cup, and the complaining was gone, and I still did a great ride into the 
> sloppy snow-melt mud singletrack fringes and hang out in a mountain meadow 
> for a wee while before running errands on the way home. What a delight!
> 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
> 
>> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>> So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
>> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
>> connected to a community.
>> 
>> Sky in new west  
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[RBW] Re: kindness

[Deacon Patrick]

My deep condolences for the loss of your friend, Sky. Your friend was part 
of this group? So often people just go their own ways, so we don't always 
know why. May I ask who your friend was?

You are spot on! This is an amazing group with amazing people who interact 
with genuine love, even when things get a bit testy at times (often 
correlated with winter grouchies). It is this groups fault that I invested 
in bike tools and took up (most of) my own wrenching -- another form of 
therapy for my bludgeoned brain. How wonderful that yesterday I heard a 
creak and groan in my drive train, then this morning I tightened the BB 
non-drive side cup, and the complaining was gone, and I still did a great 
ride into the sloppy snow-melt mud singletrack fringes and hang out in a 
mountain meadow for a wee while before running errands on the way home. 
What a delight!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-6, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
>

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[Jonathan D.]

As someone new to the group I really enjoy the conversations and even some of 
the family like conversations. These conversations are nice escape from the 
other things I tend to read on the Internet about modern affairs. 

On the negative side this group convinced me to purchase  a more expensive bike 
then I planned. (Sarcasm) Even the members who were trying to sell me a used 
bike encouraged me to buy the more expensive new Joe Appaloosa.  I kind a wish 
I could've bought both. I am very excited for my new Joe Appaloosa, and even 
though it's the most expensive bike I've ever bought, I like to think that part 
of my purchase goes to support the ideas espoused by Rivendell and Grant 
Peterson, and supporting these type of discussions. 

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[RBW] For sale Trico Sports hardshell iron case and truck bed bar

[Ray Varella]

First item is the Trico Sports Iron Case
Hardshell bike transport case
Interior foam, straps, buckles, case etc... all in very good condition. 
Only issue is where previous owners name was covered with primer, it's a couple 
shades darker than the case. Otherwise, zero issues
$120
Second is a bar that fits a full sized truck bed and has two quick releases to 
hold two bikes by the forks. 
$40

Prefer local (San Francisco Bay Area) pickup since shipping may be cost 
prohibitive.

Email offlist rayvarella007 at gmail dot com

Thank you,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: ISO/WTB/WTT - New-ish Large Olive Saddlesack

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Thanks for the tip. I checked with them and a few other dealers and no 
luck. Might just wait around for it to come back in stock. Or go with the 
grey, which is beautiful, but the olive would look really nice with a 
silver App. 

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 4:20:41 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> RIvelo in PDX should have one. I just purchased one last week. 

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[sameness]

Yeah, it's not quite pearlescent, but it has a little bit of variation and 
sheen to it in different conditions, if that makes any sense at all. I was 
(pleasantly) surprised as well.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 6:13:38 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I assumed that the blue was a flat light blue, but it seems to get 
> different tints with different lighting. Very cool!
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[RBW] FS: Sackville Med Saddalesack

[Ray Varella]

PM sent

Ray

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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[Ash A]

I was considering this tape to protect the frame from front derailleur 
clamp.  

Or is there a better way to pad the FD clamp?



On Friday, 7 April 2017 02:38:43 UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
> paint protection.
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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Ash A]

Thanks everyone for your inputs!

Bill made a great point.   If I'm limiting myself to 42mm tire right off 
the bat, what's the point of picking Appaloosa.

After reading all the opinions I've decided to start with 650bx50 and go 
lower if I ever see a reason for my typical rides.

Besides, Philip made me a truly irresistible offer on brand new Schwalbe 
Almotions!  Thank you Philip!





On Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:10:25 UTC-7, Ash A wrote:
>
> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
> If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to 
> ever go beyond 42.
>
> Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll 
> buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the 
> fender.
>
> Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.
>

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[RBW] Re: threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Garth]

 You actually could salvage it but the cost to do so would be pretty high, 
if your bike has fork crown top bolts, that is.  See the threaded holes on 
the side, I assume they are the same as on all Nitto racks. You would have 
to buy 2 rods and 2 bolt/nuts, then attach the rack to the 2 bolts on the 
fork crown. Considering the nut/bolts are $12 or so each and the rods $14 a 
pair plus the shipping cost you're in for over $40.

You could just put a shout out here as someone may have some nut/bolts and 
rods not used. Never hurts to ask. 



On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:48:52 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch,
>
> I posted not long ago asking advice on how best to secure a (still 
> un-proffered) rando bag to a mini front rack, specifically an integrated 
> decaleur model, which would potentially swap out the Nitto MIni Front (32F) 
> that came on my newish-to-me Quickbeam; a decision I was about to make 
> because after some (albeit not exhaustive) research I had come to the 
> understanding that an integrated rack/decaleur system was less shaky, less 
> noisy, less heavy, more stout, than purchasing a separate decaleur. I have 
> since been convinced otherwise, and my decision is not the story here.
>
> A week later, having still pushed no buttons and charged no accounts on 
> this matter, I noticed my (absolutely adored) 32F was a little loosey, and 
> upon further examination ruled out the mid-fork mounting points and settled 
> on the fork crown nut to the integrated rack-bolt-rod-thing. I tightened 
> said nut with ample, yet not-crazy pressure, and it happily spun to the 
> right after the briefest moment of uninspired resistance. And it continued 
> to spin under my firmgentle suggestion until the thang fell to the floor, 
> with half the threaded rod intact. A result I would have expected (and have 
> certainly experienced) with less-notable parts n bits, but I was quite 
> surprised to have a Nitto fail me in this way.
>
> Longish story shorterish, did my mini Nitto front rack take my 
> consideration of another rack as betrayal and decide to punish us both?
>
> Or does this happen? Should I not be so surprised?
>
> Lastly, what do I do next? For now I've secured the rack pretty decently 
> with a couple Irish straps [ the greatest thing Riv ever sold, besides the 
> QB ;) ]. There is still a bit of rack-attached rod sitting inside the fork 
> crown. Do I buy another set of struts for the rear eyelets on that rack and 
> mount them to the canti posts? The aesthetic of that solution bums me out 
> but, but it seems to me an affordable fix, and there certainly are worse 
> problems to have than not satiating my preference for two struts. I mean, 
> it would that make the rack stronger, no?
>
>
> Love
> Patch
> LACA
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Olive Sackville Small TrunkSack

[Keith Muller]

Hey all!

Title says it all.  If you have one your looking to part with, please let me 
know.

Thanks,

Keith

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[RBW] Re: threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Bill Lindsay]

I vote for retiring that rack and setting up a new rack.  If that center 
strut fails again, your load drops right into your front wheel, locking it 
up almost instantly and will put your skull on the ground hard.  It 
probably won't fail, but I feel the same about repairing a broken front 
rack as I do about repairing a broken front fork.  All the parts that keep 
your head off the ground by not-failing, those are the parts that it is 
worth being conservative over. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 9:26:54 AM UTC-7, Patch T wrote:
>
> Thanks you both.
>
> Jeremy, the bolt broke a half-inch beyond the bottom of the nut. There was 
> no washer or spacer installed between the nut and the fork crown; however 
> the nut fits perfectly inside the recessed part of the mount and lays flat 
> against the crown. There is a spacer on the front side of the crown.
>
> I ride a lot of unpaved roads and trails on this bike, and often with 
> things in the basket attached to this rack. Perhaps it had been loose for a 
> while and became stressed over time and under weight? 
>
>
> Patch
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Patch T]

Thanks you both.

Jeremy, the bolt broke a half-inch beyond the bottom of the nut. There was 
no washer or spacer installed between the nut and the fork crown; however 
the nut fits perfectly inside the recessed part of the mount and lays flat 
against the crown. There is a spacer on the front side of the crown.

I ride a lot of unpaved roads and trails on this bike, and often with 
things in the basket attached to this rack. Perhaps it had been loose for a 
while and became stressed over time and under weight? 


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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Richard Rios]

SOLD!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Richard Rios]

Bag is spoken for. :) Sale pending

Thanks,
Richard

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 8:37:52 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> So I kinda impulse bought the last Nigel Smythe saddle bag Riv had on web 
> specials...I am more  velvet underground grimey than er um insert classy 
> tweedish band here I can't think of one off hand. any way it is a no return 
> kida deal so I am gonna see if anyone here is interested. it's currently 
> sitting in my closet unopened in the box Riv used to ship it. I'm asking 
> 200 $ shipped. it cost me just shy of 160$ after tax and shipping. and I 
> figure since we are all pals here you wouldn't mind springing for a decent 
> 12er of beer so i can wash the regret away and the rest is shipping...let 
> me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
> 909 910-7424
>

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[RichS]

Hi Gossamer. Congratulations on the sale of your Appaloosa! 

Since your post has generated discussion about fit in general and your 
mention of the Atlantis as a possible replacement for your Joe App, I'd 
like to relate my Atlantis experience and another aspect of the sizing 
conundrum. I have a 53cm model with Noodles. Wonderful bike, solid, stable, 
just as advertised and as other owners in the group have confirmed. Reach 
to the bars is fine but I've always been a bit uneasy about the standover. 
It's in the Riv recommended zone but still. . . This is significant since 
my Sam (purchased after the Atlantis) hits all the right notes and 
therefore colors my impression of the Atlantis' size.

I had been looking at some early literature on the Atlantis and discovered 
this note (paraphrased):  "For male riders, if you plan to ride fat tires 
(presumably the max. size) consider going down one size." To date I haven't 
used a tire in the 50mm range but I'd like to go there knowing this will 
decrease my standover height and possibly discourage use of a larger tire.

Just food for thought as you consider your next purchase. Best of luck!

Regards,
Richard   





On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 2:01:30 PM UTC-4, Gossamer wrote:
>
> No longer for sale...thx!
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 8:34:26 PM UTC-5, Gossamer wrote:
>>
>> All: Make me a reasonable offer. The longer I have this the longer I have 
>> to wait to get what I really want.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 9:16:53 PM UTC-6, Gossamer wrote:
>>>
>>> As close to new 58 Appaloosa in blue.
>>>
>>> Buil kit from Riv that included Nitto Choco Moose bars and added a read 
>>> Pletscher Rack with pannier rails, front Mark's rack and Sackville small 
>>> trunk (gray), kickstand. Currently has a Soma drop bar on it with Dura Ace 
>>> shifters. Already newbaumed chain stay, both sets of bars and put on a 
>>> great bell.
>>>
>>> Bike has fewer than 100 miles on it. It's closer to new than a demo 
>>> could be...it's sadly too big despite following the fit guide.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to discuss further if someone would like. I'd like to get 
>>> $2100 for it since I have more than $2600 into it. It will be 
>>> professionally shipped and you'll get both bars and all mentioned above. 
>>> Only thing I would keep are the saddle and the pedals.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: threaded fork crown rod breakage on my Nitto 32F... punishment or a sign? Also, it can be salvaged, right?

[Jeremy Till]

A couple of questions: 

Where exactly did the threaded rod break?  It sounds like it broke just 
where the nut tightened against the back of the fork crown?

Another thing I'm wondering about is if you had some kind of spacer to fill 
up the fork crown hole in back.  Most Riv crowns, including the one on the 
QB (I used to own one) are drilled for a recessed caliper brake mount, so 
the hole on the back of the crown has a wider diameter than the hole on the 
front.  Riv suggests using some kind of spacer on the fork crown strut to 
take up this space and give the nut a wide, flat surface to tighten 
against.  They used to sell a spacer specifically for this purpose, which I 
believe was actually a PVC grommet originally intended for adapting presta 
valves to rims drilled for schraeder valves.  

My wild speculation is that the nut on the back of the crown was loose for 
a while and the slight banging around damaged and/or bent the strut right 
under the nut, enough that attempting to tighten the nut just broke it off. 
 

In terms of repair, I would see if I could find a frame builder who does 
rack work to braze in a new threaded rod.  Not sure how it would compare 
cost wise to just buying a new rack, though.  

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 7:48:52 PM UTC-7, Patch T wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch,
>
> I posted not long ago asking advice on how best to secure a (still 
> un-proffered) rando bag to a mini front rack, specifically an integrated 
> decaleur model, which would potentially swap out the Nitto MIni Front (32F) 
> that came on my newish-to-me Quickbeam; a decision I was about to make 
> because after some (albeit not exhaustive) research I had come to the 
> understanding that an integrated rack/decaleur system was less shaky, less 
> noisy, less heavy, more stout, than purchasing a separate decaleur. I have 
> since been convinced otherwise, and my decision is not the story here.
>
> A week later, having still pushed no buttons and charged no accounts on 
> this matter, I noticed my (absolutely adored) 32F was a little loosey, and 
> upon further examination ruled out the mid-fork mounting points and settled 
> on the fork crown nut to the integrated rack-bolt-rod-thing. I tightened 
> said nut with ample, yet not-crazy pressure, and it happily spun to the 
> right after the briefest moment of uninspired resistance. And it continued 
> to spin under my firmgentle suggestion until the thang fell to the floor, 
> with half the threaded rod intact. A result I would have expected (and have 
> certainly experienced) with less-notable parts n bits, but I was quite 
> surprised to have a Nitto fail me in this way.
>
> Longish story shorterish, did my mini Nitto front rack take my 
> consideration of another rack as betrayal and decide to punish us both?
>
> Or does this happen? Should I not be so surprised?
>
> Lastly, what do I do next? For now I've secured the rack pretty decently 
> with a couple Irish straps [ the greatest thing Riv ever sold, besides the 
> QB ;) ]. There is still a bit of rack-attached rod sitting inside the fork 
> crown. Do I buy another set of struts for the rear eyelets on that rack and 
> mount them to the canti posts? The aesthetic of that solution bums me out 
> but, but it seems to me an affordable fix, and there certainly are worse 
> problems to have than not satiating my preference for two struts. I mean, 
> it would that make the rack stronger, no?
>
>
> Love
> Patch
> LACA
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Garth]

I understand the seeming conundrum.  What is the best tire?...is an endless 
question.  It seems the best tire is one you literally forget about, you forget 
about wondering about it, you just pay no attention to it. Well, what is 
stopping me from just forgetting about it, regardless of the tire ? Nothing is. 
Lokking for the tire , or bike or any thing to "make my life" somehow great is 
a quest of futility, and we all know it. It is not about he tire, or the bike, 
or the thing, it is not really about anything in all honesty. This reminds me 
of the Tazmanian Devil cartoon character, he gets so worked up about nothing he 
seems to wreck everything for himself. Hah !  Take a break from nothing and 
just enjoy life, right now, it's not like I have another now to go to you know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Orc]

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 4:52:22 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 04/14/2017 12:44 AM, Orc wrote:
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:10:25 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote: 
>>
>> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.   
>>
>> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>>
>> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
>> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>>
>> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
>> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>>
>  
> To be contrary, I'd suggest narrower tires.   
>
>
> Why would you want to do that?  What benefit or advantage would you get 
> from doing so?
>


I've found 3.5 advantages

1) lighter
2) slightly faster
3) less casing flop when tire pressure gets low
3.5) easier to build a frame when I don't have to bend the chainstays to 
fit around a fat tire

-david parsons

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[RBW] Re: ISO (maybe) Clementine or Cheviot

[Christopher Wiggins]

We still have one 55cm Silver Cheviot.

Chris
A1 Cyclery
Indianapolis IN

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 10:29:45 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Looking for a step through. Let me know if you have something.. PBH 83cm
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Philip Kim]

Mine was actually 1-1/8" fork. I don't have a picture anymore as I sold the 
Velo Orange Camargue it was made for.


But I know Clockwork has made it in 1" before - 

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:57:08 PM UTC-4, EasyRider wrote:
>
> Can the Pacenti MTB crown do a 1" steerer or is it only 1 1/8"?
>
> On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:52:07 PM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> i got clockworks to do a custom fork. the only trouble is that there are 
>> less options for fork crowns that can accommodate width. 
>>
>> i got the pacenti MTB crown, which certainly drove up the price since the 
>> pacenti MTB crown stock was dwindling, but the price was still decent. He 
>> might have cheaper options, but i was set on the pacenti crown. I'd contact 
>> him, because why not
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:22:04 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I'd definitely be in at that price point for that kind of fork.
>>>
>>> I was also thinking today about looking at custom builder who builds​ in 
>>> batches and have a similar fork for their semi custom runs... If the was 
>>> one like that it might be compelling and relatively less expensive to tack 
>>> on a couple forks.  Elephant and Bantam came to mind but of course both of 
>>> them are doing batches of threadless forks I believe.  They also seem to 
>>> have more than enough business these days anyway.
>>>
>>> But to your question, yes I'd be interested.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017, 16:29 Michael Morrissey  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I dug up info on the Jeff Lyon Rawland forks: they were around $250 
 each. That's not just pocket change, but the forks looked perfect and 
 beautiful. They also initially thought 4 people were interested, yet ended 
 up ordering 22 of them.

 Anyone interested at that price point? Who loves theit 26" beater/bar 
 bike/trash bike?!

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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[stevef]

You'd be better off choosing tires based on your needs, then picking the 
fenders that suit them.  42's would be fine for mainly paved and smoothish 
dirt routes.  Bigger would be advantageous if you'll ride more and rougher 
dirt routes...

Steve

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC-4, Ash A wrote:
>
> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
> If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to 
> ever go beyond 42.
>
> Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll 
> buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the 
> fender.
>
> Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.
>

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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Philip Kim]

Ash, I already kind of told you my plans, but I would just go larger 
fenders - why limit yourself if you don't have to?

I think 42s are great for roads, but I found larger tires greatly benefit 
in terms of comfort. the roads around DC are full of potholes and chipped, 
and the larger tires have greater benefit there.

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 4:10:25 PM UTC-4, Ash A wrote:
>
> Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or P55.  
>
> I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks. 
>
> Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50, so  I 
> bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.
>
> Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I should keep 
> an option open for wider tires and go with P55.
>
> If wider than 42mm would mean much higher peddling effort, I'm unlikely to 
> ever go beyond 42.
>
> Also, if anyone interested in selling a used 650B fat tire for cheap, I'll 
> buy it, rider around and compare it to Pari Moto 42 before ordering the 
> fender.
>
> Btw, bike in question is 51cm Appa.
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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[Philip Kim]

Yeah I just asked via instagram. Like Bill mentioned, it seems the color is 
a lighter blue than when the frames were made by Toyo.

The lighter blue has stayed the same since they brought production into the 
US. I assumed that the blue was a flat light blue, but it seems to get 
different tints with different lighting. Very cool!

Digital photos have vastly improved in quality and convenience, but it 
seems I'm always wanting more!

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 9:02:32 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>
> You really cannot judge with digital photos because every setting is 
> different, different light, white balance etc. Yes, I have seen the darker 
> blue Hilsen, ànd yet look at GP's lighter blue , and his states it is the 
> production blue . Some may be custom color choices too, but the stock blue 
> can look very different depending on a host of factors. So sure, just give 
> a ringy dingy for your own sake. 

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[Philip Kim]

Mhmm! well said! i think it's great that so many listers here are actually 
invested in the list and fellow listers, and act accordingly. I don't know 
how many private emails i've sent you all asking about this model or that 
model, and always get the most helpful responses with pictures and 
measurements, ride reports etc. I in turn try to do the same whenever I can 
with my own pictures, measurements, and my closest explanations as 
possible, and it's enjoyable to share my experiences and try to help others.

It's especially enjoyable when there is a fairly new lister who is hemming 
and hawing about plunking down a lot of money for their first rivendell and 
asking for advice on which model, and when everyone gives their own 
opinions but always ends with "do it you won't regret it!". then a couple 
of months go by, and the same person writes a post about how they just 
purchased a riv and how awesome it is!

Also the amount of trust on this forum vastly sometimes vastly outweighs 
the trust i have in various face to face interactions in areas of my life...

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to 
> its focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
> appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
>  It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
> basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
> between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
> to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
> participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
> interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
>  So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
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[RBW] A Homer Hilsen slight color change?

[Garth]

You really cannot judge with digital photos because every setting is different, 
different light, white balance etc. Yes, I have seen the darker blue Hilsen, 
ànd yet look at GP's lighter blue , and his states it is the production blue . 
Some may be custom color choices too, but the stock blue can look very 
different depending on a host of factors. So sure, just give a ringy dingy for 
your own sake. 

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[Bob Lovejoy]

+1... and I do absolutely agree.  Well said Sky.

In a fractured world, it is a real gift to just talk, listen and learn 
about things seemingly as simple as bicycles and riding. I feel the same 
regarding it helping restore my faith in people and the world, as I need 
that reminder, that reinforcement.  I have always had that faith but it is 
tested now more than ever and I have started to realize just how critical 
it is to our lives.

Just thinking as I write this... It is an accepted truth I believe among 
mathematicians and other scientists that the more simple and elegant a 
reasoned solution, the more likely it is to be a real clue to truth.  It 
occurs to me things as simple as biking, hiking, sharing thoughts with 
others, listening, contributing, learning... all of these are simple and 
possibly even elegant solutions to many seemingly complex things that tear 
at the world. 

Sky - I am sincerely sorry for the passing of your friend and I hope that 
the memory of your shared conversations, rides and adventures give you many 
reasons and chances to smile. We hopefully live our lives, at least in 
moments, in ways worthy of quiet celebration by our friends and family and 
in missing and remembering your friend, you do indeed celebrate and honor 
their life.  

Here's to a good day, great rides, learning, listening, remembering... 

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL 


On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 11:58:22 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to 
> its focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
> appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
>  It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
> basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
> between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
> to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
> participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
> interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
>  So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
>

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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

[John G.]

Agreed--that's a beauty! It's great to see so many happy Joe owners, and 
for Rivendell to continue to refine and iterate on their 
touring/all-rounder models. I'd love to ride a Joe and compare it to my 
Atlantis (and the Hunq that I sold).

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 7:34:42 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Great looking bike congratulations on the acquisition! It's awesome seeing 
> how much everyone likes their Joe's.  Another wining design from Riv.
>
> Tony
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Re: [RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/14/2017 12:44 AM, Orc wrote:

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 1:10:25 PM UTC-7, Ash A wrote:

Trying to make up my mind as to whether I should buy P50 fender or
P55.

I like P50 much better in terms of fit and looks.

Seems like 650B x 42 is the widest tire I can go if I install P50,
so  I bought a pair of Pari Moto 650b x 42.

Before I commit to P50 I wanted to ask the experts here if I
should keep an option open for wider tires and go with P55.

To be contrary, I'd suggest narrower tires.


Why would you want to do that?  What benefit or advantage would you get 
from doing so?



My fat 650b tires are 38 Pari-Motos, which are perfectly happy at 
speed on loose gravel roads, but so are the Confrérie des 650B tires I 
ride on my faster 650b machines (and I have a pair of Schwalbe Ones @ 
650x25b that are waiting for me to shuffle wheelsets so I can get them 
fitted on a pair of rims that can support 80-90psi;  I do not expect 
those will ride very fast on loose gravel, but the target machine is 
for short brevets on mainly paved roads.)


Confréries fit very nicely under a 50mm fender and don't look 
obviously undersized there (I ran them under some reradiused 700c V-O 
Zeppelins on a couple of machines over the course of three years, only 
stopping when the Zepps started to fracture at the rear brake bridge) 
and 38 Pari-Motos (or CdlVs, or even the old PNW regional default of 
Hetres) look just right .


I'm about 6'1" and weigh between 170-190 pounds depending on how 
obsessively I'm riding, so I'm not exactly a featherweight.The 
only thing that might make it easier for me to ride (relatively) 
narrow tires is that I shove my handlebars between 5-6 inches lower 
than my saddle so I float myself between the bars and the saddle 
except when I'm falling over with exhaustion;  if you're going for a 
riv fit, your weight balance might be back far enough so that what I 
consider ballon tires won't give you enough float to compensate for 
the constant rumble of loose gravel or crappy city streets.


-david parsons




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[RBW] Re: Lovely Spring Day Cruise New Appaloosa

[Tony DeFilippo]

Great looking bike congratulations on the acquisition! It's awesome seeing how 
much everyone likes their Joe's.  Another wining design from Riv.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[ascpgh]

Love the clip. What's funny is that Andy Warhol (the one of the other Andys 
from Pittsburgh) promoted and produced Reed using his "Exploding Plastic 
Inevitable" events, a literal sentiment not rare to this forum. He filmed 
and collected screen tests of regulars at his Factory:  
https://youtu.be/Avme-hIBncI

Warhol reiterates his fascination with individuals and effort to capture 
the actual experience of living, which isn't too far from the common vein 
here either.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 11:52:13 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> He gave the game away by telling everyone his purchase price. Gad, man, 
> wise up!
>
> Patrick Moore, who never liked tweed bags, anyway, but likes the canvas 
> ones, in ABQ, NM
>
> Lou Reed at his best, in old age:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMLt9bMd_I
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 9:48 PM, Reed Kennedy  > wrote:
>
>> Geez. To each their own and all that, but I gotta say: Buying something 
>> special and rare and then trying to make a profit off other list members 
>> doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.
>>
>>
>> Reed
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Richard Rios > > wrote:
>>
>>> So I kinda impulse bought the last Nigel Smythe saddle bag Riv had on 
>>> web specials...I am more  velvet underground grimey than er um insert 
>>> classy tweedish band here I can't think of one off hand. any way it is a no 
>>> return kida deal so I am gonna see if anyone here is interested. it's 
>>> currently sitting in my closet unopened in the box Riv used to ship it. I'm 
>>> asking 200 $ shipped. it cost me just shy of 160$ after tax and shipping. 
>>> and I figure since we are all pals here you wouldn't mind springing for a 
>>> decent 12er of beer so i can wash the regret away and the rest is 
>>> shipping...let me know.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>> 909 910-7424
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[RBW] Re: Do I need tire fatter than 650B x 42?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Every time I've considered this question on a bike I've ended up trying bigger 
tires... I'd max the fender size if you are even considering wider.

I do have an used pair of Vee tires that are either 2.0 or 2.1 by 650B that you 
can have for shipping, pm me if you are interested.  The have a light knob 
tread that is pretty worn.  First tire I tried with my Bombadil and they worked 
for in and off pavement.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Garth]

I found it the Atlantis brichure on Jim's site. 950 smackers it was.  
One thing also few remember was the very original ones were longer in TT and 
front center. They changed them after that first run. 

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[RBW] Re: kindness

[ascpgh]

Appreciate and agree with that observation. While sometimes trite, the 
nomenclature "family friendly" is more like friendly family here. Dinner 
table conversations, spirited or otherwise, knowing we gather again when 
the next posts are served. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 12:58:22 PM UTC-4, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> There are a lot of bike geek forums and lists out there. In addition to 
> its focus on Rivendell Bicycle Works, what has made this group uniquely 
> appealing to me is the kindness and courtesy members extend to one another. 
>  It isn't an exaggeration to say that it has increased my faith in the 
> basic decency of people.  I mostly just sort of eavesdrop on conversations 
> between other members, but since my main bike geek friend who introduced me 
> to this list passed away, I've been slowly becoming a more active 
> participant.  Strangers in this group, connected by technology and common 
> interest, have helped fill some of the void that my friend's passing left. 
>  So I guess I'd just like to say thank you to everyone for the kind, 
> courteous and respectful interactions; it has really helped me feel 
> connected to a community.
>
> Sky in new west  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Last Nigel Smythe tweed country bag

[Garth]

That is about right Christopher for the original Atlantis price as in 1999. I 
still remember the original brochure of it. The presale price may have even 
been 850, I'm nkt positive as I parted with all the Riv brochures I had. I 
could have bought one but decided on a local custom frame instead that very 
year. 

>From what pics I have seen of GP's older frames I would not want one 
>regardless of the price based on condition, so asking 1.1 grand is way way 
>much in my estimation. Who may have owned it does not matter to me, it is just 
>a used frame. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Road Bike with 1x10 or 1x11

[Patrick Moore]

Too bad; photos would have been interesting.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I have one lone picture of me standing with my bike in Sandwich, MA. Most
> of my life went undocumented prior to getting an iPhone.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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