[RBW] Re: New bag design by DirtDance.

[drew]

This is really cool Clayton. Your makeriness is admirable. I've been watching 
the progression of these and all the cam lock things you've been designing. 
Goes way beyond just sewing a bag together.

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[RBW] Re: New bag design by DirtDance.

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

After my first grocery run, with about 15 to 20 lbs. The lamination glue I 
used is still drying, and the bag has lost some weight. It's now just under 
two lbs..It works great. (I am now working on a new, smaller bag, less 
bootish)...My Atlantis is my car, year round, and my rear rack top bag is 
very important! Everything has to be carried up the stairs, so having the 
bag and my front basket quick release makes getting everything up a three 
trip, trip. One for the bag, one for the basket (not shown) and one for the 
bike. For a big shopping trip, I add panniers. I have carried 2-8' 2x2's, 2 
4' steel bars, and forty lbs. of bird seed, on one trip... 
Clayton
 
Bailey, Bend


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> My new prototype foam laminate rack top bag design for bag making people. 
> The evolution of the Stuinniker continues.  The bag is shaped like a boot, 
> with a roll down top. It doesn't look like it, but you can see into the toe 
> when open, so finding stuff is a non issue. For camping the sleeping bag 
> goes into the toe, and there is plenty of room for more stuff. It holds too 
> many groceries too. It quick releases off of the rack using a homemade 
> carbon fiber snap plate. The bag works well, but I overbuilt it using too 
> heavy of a yellow liner fabric, and it's a bit heavy at two pounds. There 
> is a smattering of brass and leather to keep it Rivish. For additional 
> photos, see DirtDanceDesigns on Instagram, or search for #Stuinniker. (I 
> don't sell anything, so this isn't a sales post.)  I am now working on a 
> 'Zeppelin' bag, shaped kinda like a turtle shell. (The white paper models). 
> It will be my daily bag and maybe an aero sleeping bag rack top bag.  
>  Clayton Bailey, Bend. 
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS - Please help me empty the bike closet

[Doug Bloch]

Argh! Why did the TRPs show up right after I emptied my PayPal to buy a 
Riv-made 650b wheelset?

I have a stuff I need to sell so I can get that account refilled!

Doug

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[RBW] Re: What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Philip Williamson]

Riding in the snow in Oregon (weeks of piled up unplowed crunk), fixed was 
safer than walking. No hills, but fixed is extremely “connected.” As far as I 
can tell about something I take for granted, it’s the bicycle equivalent of the 
proprioception you talk about walking barefoot. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Ian A]

I was curious as to why a sports oriented design tends to end up with somewhat 
limited tire clearance (I appreciate the Rodeo offers far more clearance than 
mosrmt bikes in the same genre). I was under the impression that the Blue Lug 
and the Rodeo could use the same brakes that are typically spec'd on the 
Hillborne, which it seems is not right, so that's a significant factor. 

The golden unicorn for me, I suppose, is Rodeo type performance and ride 
quality on 44mm wide Compass tires. Something has to give though!

Clearly my understanding of bicycle geometry and design is lacking. Even trying 
to figure out ST and HT angles on my own bikes and how that affects fit and 
setting up my cockpit and saddle position is something I'm still trying to 
comprehend. For now, I just use trial and error and approximate measurements, 
but I have amassed a few extra stems and caused myself a few cricked necks in 
the process. What feels comfortable at home turns into a torture device 4 hours 
down the road. A inch higher, closer, further etc and Nirvana is achieved. I'd 
just like to be able to find that in theory first. 

These are all questions of geometry and I am learning that the sheer amount of 
time and comprehension that goes into a good bicycle design is not something to 
be taken for granted. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Let's talk parts? My last foray into single speed..I went a but nuts and spent 
more than need be..

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[RBW] Getting Groceries - Someone has to, might as well enjoy it.

[J Imler]

I'm inspired to keep a cycling lifestyle by others posts, blogs, and sites. 
Here's a little something from me.

https://sites.google.com/site/lifecyclecyclelife/home/mega-grocery-gettin

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good point about the Clem's handling; what car magazines would call 
"forgiving". I haven't ridden mine on dirt but we have some horrendous pavement 
around here that I've hit at a good clip, and the bike is very good about going 
where you point it without any excess deviations that you have to correct. I 
would think this quality translates well to trails. 

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[RBW] Re: What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Deacon Patrick]

Great to hear, John! My arterial route, which is required riding to get 
anywhere up the pass (and I rarely go down the pass), includes paved and dirt 
roads which may or may not be plowed and a healthy section of MUP that isn’t 
plowed but is often driven over which makes biking it tricky. Champaign poweder 
is the best, and I think any nobbie would work with that. It’s after 
thaw/freeze cycles that things will get interesting. The Hunqapillar and it’s 
2.1” Racing Ralphs are a known entity, and may be as good it it gets in many 
ways. We’ll see if the QB can outdo it, at least on those frozen mist days.

Fixed has always intreagued me. I may give it a go one of these days, and as 
you point out, winter is a grand time to do so!

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[John M]

Deacon,

I grew up in Alamosa, Colorado and rode my grandfathers ancient Schwinn 
during the winters.  Alamosa probably gets less snow than your area, but 
back then the roads would get icy in November and stay that way until 
March.  I rode the old Schwinn with 27x1.25 tires and a fixed gear.  I was 
young and agile and it worked great!  Fixed gear riding allows a surprising 
level of control over speed and balance and can save you when your brakes 
decide to freeze solid.  Two decades later I spent a few winters in 
Jackson, WY and commuted by bike.  I upgraded to Nokian A10 studded tires 
(700x32 I think) on my Jamis Coda and used a fixed gear there too.Those 
tires and the fixed gear made for an almost pleasant 6 mile roundtrip 
winter commute.  If you don't anticipate having to push through unplowed 
snow, I think the Quickbeam and knobby tires will suit you just fine.  


john

 



On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 7:50:36 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> The idea of narrower studded tires got me thinking: what if the answer to 
> my winter riding quandary is the Quickbeam (ss, solves drive train in 
> weather issues, plus, it has fenders) is Compasses supple knobbies, the 
> Steilacoom TC. Perhaps this winter I will try the narrow tire (now with 
> knobbies) approach to winter, at least on those freeze the drive train 
> days. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[drew]

We have one of each. I have a hunq, my wife has a Clem. 
Tt and chainstays do make them feel quite different. If you were planning on 
setting up the hunqapillar as a fully upright bike and using it for casual 
riding, I think they'd be pretty similar. I have drops on the hunqapillar and 
it feels like you can dig in and go pretty fast when you need to. The Clem 
sorta resists that temptation. 
When I got the hunq, I thought "wow this is like a Cadillac". Eats up bumps and 
rides super smooth, but isn't very spritely.  Then we got the Clem and the hunq 
feels like a road bike in comparison. 
Both are excellent bikes. Especially for hauling stuff around. I actually think 
the hunq is more fun with a load. In terms of stoutness, they feel very 
similar. The Clem may be a little burlier even, but I can't imagine anyone 
wanting a tougher bike than either of these. 
My wife, who is not a strong biker, rode the Clem on a mile or so of some 
accidental easy single track and loved it. It was her first semi MTB experience 
and she was very impressed with how the Clem helped her do what she was 
initially sort of afraid to. That ride really could've ended in a big fight, 
some serious blame and deep skepticism about trusting my sense of direction on 
future rides. I'm very grateful Clem made it a positive experience. 

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[RBW] Re: FS Musa Pants Large: Butternut, Green, Black

[Ed Felker]

All are sold. Thanks for the interest!

Ed

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 4:43:54 PM UTC-5, Ed Felker wrote:
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> Black and green provisionally sold. Butternut still available. 
>
>
> On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 4:15:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Felker wrote:
>>
>> All are lightly used but no stains or tears. The black ones have zipper 
>> ankle closures, the others velcro. All are size Large.
>>
>> $25 each plus actual Priority Mail cost from 20024, or pick up in D.C.
>>
>> Photos here: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157687287439642
>>
>> Email with questions. Thanks!
>>
>> Ed
>> Washington, DC
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Musa Pants Large: Butternut, Green, Black

[Ed Felker]

Hi Tim,

sorry already sold. Thanks for inquiring.

Ed

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> I'll take the butternut Ed. I thought I had your email but can't find it
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[RBW] Re: FS Musa Pants Large: Butternut, Green, Black

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'll take the butternut Ed. I thought I had your email but can't find it and 
can't access through the group on my Mac. 

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Re: [RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick of the Moore — good eye! Those are Barlow Pass 38 tires on there. The 
rear tire was bar to the outer tread, which Compass told me is a good wear 
indicator. So I put my surviving Snoqualmie on the rear (where it is snuggest) 
to see how it fits. Snug, but with a wee bit of wiggle room. However, since 
I’ll soon be getting the 38 knobbies for winter (and possibly all) riding, I 
won’t buy more 44’s till I know they are my summer tire.

Trail: near Rampart, but not the trail that goes around Rampart. You can see 
that trail here, in Coffeeneuring #7 (the last one, near the bottom). It’ll 
likely look a wee bit familier. 
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-5-6-and-7

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[Kevin Lindsey]

Hunter -
Thanks for the posting.  Unfortunately, based on group input, I splurged 
and bought the Nitto Big Front rack.
All the best,
Kevin

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 11:53:47 AM UTC-5, Hunter Ellis wrote:
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> I have the whole shebang (nitto mini, hub area no hoops, sackville bags, 
> basket, and custom basket bag) for sale over on the ibob group. with 
> Rivendell's CONSERVATIVE weight rating you could put 18.5 lbs on your front 
> end with that.
>
> On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 2:29:43 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>
>> Not sure how much weight will go in the panniers; I've never done the 
>> loaded touring thing before, but would imagine that I'd need more than 
>> seven pounds' capacity down there.  As for tires, the largest ones I run on 
>> my Hunq are 50mm Marathons, so width shouldn't be a problem.
>> Thanks, all, for the advice.  I'll try the Big Front rack.
>> All the beset,
>> Kevin Lindsey
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:46:53 PM UTC-4, John wrote:
>>>
>>> Ask yourself how much you plan to put in your panniers? Riv says the 
>>> load for the Big Front Rack is 30 lbs, and the Hub Area Rack is 7 lbs per 
>>> pannier. Another question is how rough are the roads you plan to travel?
>>>  
>>> And you are limited to tires no larger than 52mm with the Big Front 
>>> Rack, something I found out when I tried to fit the rack over 55mm Big 
>>> Bens. 
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 8:14:38 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

 Greetings.
 I need a front rack suitable for loaded touring (i.e. for panniers) 
 that'll fit on my 54cm 700c Hunq.  I was assuming that the Nitto Big Front 
 Rack would be the way to go, but then I read a comment on the page 
 for Nitto's Mark's Hub Area rack that "Yes, this rack will work for newer 
 700c Hunqapillars."  Is there an issue with Hunqs and Nitto front racks?  
 What are others using?
 Many thanks,
 Kevin Lindsey

>>>

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Re: [RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Patrick Moore]

As usual, nice photos. But are the tires pictured the Snoqualmie Passes?
They look narrow for 44 mm. If they are, what is the actual width?

By any chance, is the venue the trail around Rampart Reservoir?


On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> In which I ride the Quickbeam, discover the Snoqualmie Pass fit it, and
> take too many photos and decided to share them as a study in (under)biking
> single track.
>
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/when-is-underbiking-just-biking
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[RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Doug H.]

Keep on posting. The nature scenes are very nice. 

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[RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Deacon Patrick]

Me. Grin.

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[RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Doug H.]

I enjoy your biking photos Deacon. Who’s your photographer?

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[RBW] Re: FS Musa Pants Large: Butternut, Green, Black

[Ed Felker]

Black and green provisionally sold. Butternut still available. 


On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 4:15:28 PM UTC-5, Ed Felker wrote:
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> All are lightly used but no stains or tears. The black ones have zipper 
> ankle closures, the others velcro. All are size Large.
>
> $25 each plus actual Priority Mail cost from 20024, or pick up in D.C.
>
> Photos here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/8193389@N06/albums/72157687287439642
>
> Email with questions. Thanks!
>
> Ed
> Washington, DC
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[RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[WETH]

Looks fun!

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Joe Bernard]

Technically, you're stating an opinion. 

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[RBW] FS Musa Pants Large: Butternut, Green, Black

[Ed Felker]

All are lightly used but no stains or tears. The black ones have zipper
ankle closures, the others velcro. All are size Large.

$25 each plus actual Priority Mail cost from 20024, or pick up in D.C.

Photos here:
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Email with questions. Thanks!

Ed
Washington, DC

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[RBW] When is underbiking just biking?

[Deacon Patrick]

In which I ride the Quickbeam, discover the Snoqualmie Pass fit it, and take 
too many photos and decided to share them as a study in (under)biking single 
track.

https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/when-is-underbiking-just-biking

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: Garage Sale redux

[Birdman]

Hey bunch!

My 65cm Double TT Atlantis is finally in at Riv HQ(!) and I am letting go 
of some parts to make room:

https://www.instagram.com/isaacenloe/?hl=en

90mm custom stem
NOS retrofriction tuners
Mavic starfish cranks
SA 3 speed fixed gear hub, wheel, and shifter
Nitto NJS seat post 

Holler with any questions or to make an offer,

Isaac


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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar

[Doug H.]

I didn't realize that the wheelbase and top tube were much longer than on 
most bikes. How would it compare to say an older Trek 520?

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:41:16 PM UTC-5, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Clem's wheelbase makes Hunqapillar a dirt switchback demon by comparison. 
>
> Clem chainstay is 56 cm. Hunq used to be 46 cm (in the biggest sizes for 
> both.) Hunq's have gotten a bit longer, and the chainstay is now 49 cm in 
> the biggest size. I've ridden the older geometry Hunq and the Clem, and the 
> difference is noticeable. I'm not saying one is better than the other. 
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone 
>
> > On Nov 11, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Doug H.  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > Hunqapillar vs Clem Smith Jr. What are the differences other than lugs 
> and country of origin?  Both seem to be mountain bikes and all rounders. 
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Re: [RBW] What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/12/2017 12:05 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:

I’ve heard from many people that it’s flat out unsafe to ride a bicycle of any 
kind. Which is both true and untrue.

I’ve heard more often that it’s unsafe to ride knobbies with fenders than 
cantis without, and also experienced sticks popping my fender out of the quick 
release.

Steve says it’s unsafe to ride cantis without the Shimano straddle wire, which 
the Quickbeam comes equipped with. I had read that the straddle wire was 
invented to aid in setup, not for safety. Mine are long gone, even though I 
kept the original brake on the rear until earlier this year (13 years). I’m 
putting the fenders back on today, but just to keep water off me.

Who here has had a canti hanger come off while riding, dropping the straddle 
wire onto the fender or tire? I have never seen that.


I've never seen that either, but I believe there was a product liability 
law suit over it. https://www.jvra.com/verdict_trak/article.aspx?id=28254



ARTICLE ID 28254


 $ - PRODUCT LIABILITY - DEFECTIVE BRAKING SYSTEM ON MOUNTAIN
 BICYCLE - FAILURE OF MAIN BRAKE CABLE - CABLE CATCHES IN KNOBBY TIRE -
 PLAINTIFF THROWN OVER HANDLEBARS - CERVICAL FRACTURE - QUADRIPLEGIA TO
 24-YEAR-OLD.

Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania

This was a product liability action brought by the male plaintiff, age 
24 at the time of injury, against the retailer, manufacturer and 
component part manufacturer of a  Raleigh Pointe Mountain 
bicycle. The defendant retailer and manufacturer settled with the 
plaintiff for a combined total of $4.5 million and agreed to continue to 
trial. The plaintiff claimed that the brake and cable of the bicycle, 
manufactured by the defendant component part manufacturer (Shimano, 
Inc.) was defective in that the pulley and brake cable were 
incompatible. The plaintiff also alleged that the bicycle lacked a 
method to prevent the cable from entangling in the knobby tire in case 
of a break in the line. The plaintiff claimed that the main cable broke, 
the straddle cable became caught in the front tire and caused the 
plaintiff to fly over the handlebars. The plaintiff was rendered a 
permanent quadriplegic as a result of the accident. The defendant, 
Shimano, argued that the cable break was caused by an inappropriate size 
pulley installed by the co-defendants who manufacturer and assembled the 
bicycle. The defense also denied that the plaintiff flipped over the 
front handlebars and contended that he lost control of the bicycle and 
struck a car.


Evidence showed that the defendant, Shimano, manufactured the cable and 
brake system used on a mountain bicycle which the plaintiff had 
purchased new within a year of the accident. The plaintiff testified 
that he was coasting his bike to a red light and applied the front hand 
brakes. The plaintiff’s accident reconstruction expert/biomechanical 
expert opined that the front main brake cable on the bicycle failed on 
the pulley, the straddle cable became lodged in the front tire, the bike 
stopped suddenly and the plaintiff pitched over the front handlebars.


This expert also testified that a dent in a car positioned next to the 
bicycle at the time of the accident was pre-existing and not caused by 
impact with the bicycle. The bike’s rear tire merely touched the vehicle 
leaving a tire impression, according to this expert. The plaintiff was 
not wearing a helmet and the plaintiff’s expert also opined that a 
helmet would not have prevented the plaintiff’s cervical injury.


The plaintiff’s metallurgist testified that the main brake cable 
fatigued because the brake pulley was too small. The pulley/cable 
incompatibility was an engineering and design defect, according to the 
plaintiff’s expert. The plaintiff’s bicycle industry expert explained 
that there are three ways to guide the brake cable on a bicycle: a 
pulley, a cable hanger or to bore through the handlebar stem. The pulley 
system was an intended use for the integrated cable/brake system 
manufactured by the defendant Shimano, according to this expert. The 
plaintiff’s expert also explained that the wire brake cable will fail if 
the pulley is too small because every time the break is used it bends 
and unbends the wire over the pulley. The plaintiff’s bicycle p 7 3 
industry expert opined that the bicycle was also defective in that it 
lacked a mechanism to prevent the cable from entangling in the front 
tire in case of a break and lacked adequate warnings.


The plaintiff’s rehabilitation expert testified that the plaintiff has 
been rendered a C-5 quadriplegic with some limited arm use and no use of 
his legs. The plaintiff is permanently disabled, has lost all sensation 
below the chest and is incontinent, according to his physician. The 
plaintiff’s physician also testified that the plaintiff will require an 
average of one hospitalization per year for the remainder of his normal 
life expectancy. In addition, the plaintiff suffers from 

[RBW] Re: WTB Cheviot 60cm or Clem L 59cm

[Paul Choi]

The Rivendell site shows they have a Green 59L in stock. You could call 
them on Monday to confirm. The next shipment of L's will arrive in 
February. 

On Sunday, November 12, 2017 at 8:54:02 AM UTC-8, Dan wrote:
>
> Looking for a trusty step through bike and figured I would see if there 
> are any on here that need new homes. Built bikes would be preferred.
>
> This would be my first Rivendell.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Bosco'd my Brodie

[Philip Williamson]

That’s a pretty awesome sled. I love the “king of the world” trailer for the 
little guy. Looks like a lot of fun.

Philip
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[RBW] What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Philip Williamson]

I’ve heard from many people that it’s flat out unsafe to ride a bicycle of any 
kind. Which is both true and untrue. 

I’ve heard more often that it’s unsafe to ride knobbies with fenders than 
cantis without, and also experienced sticks popping my fender out of the quick 
release. 

Steve says it’s unsafe to ride cantis without the Shimano straddle wire, which 
the Quickbeam comes equipped with. I had read that the straddle wire was 
invented to aid in setup, not for safety. Mine are long gone, even though I 
kept the original brake on the rear until earlier this year (13 years). I’m 
putting the fenders back on today, but just to keep water off me.

Who here has had a canti hanger come off while riding, dropping the straddle 
wire onto the fender or tire? I have never seen that.

Anecdotally,
Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] WTB Cheviot 60cm or Clem L 59cm

[Dan]

Looking for a trusty step through bike and figured I would see if there are 
any on here that need new homes. Built bikes would be preferred.

This would be my first Rivendell.

Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Rack 34F

[Chris Corral]

Hi, I have a Nitto Big Rack 34f for sale. Light use, still in great 
condition. I also have some non-Nitto brand medium p-clamps for mounting 
without midfork eyelets. Generic photo attached.

Let me know if you have any questions. I'm asking $150 including shipping. 
Rack is located in Oakland, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Hunqapillar

[Hunter Ellis]

I have the whole shebang (nitto mini, hub area no hoops, sackville bags, 
basket, and custom basket bag) for sale over on the ibob group. with 
Rivendell's CONSERVATIVE weight rating you could put 18.5 lbs on your front 
end with that.

On Wednesday, October 11, 2017 at 2:29:43 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> Not sure how much weight will go in the panniers; I've never done the 
> loaded touring thing before, but would imagine that I'd need more than 
> seven pounds' capacity down there.  As for tires, the largest ones I run on 
> my Hunq are 50mm Marathons, so width shouldn't be a problem.
> Thanks, all, for the advice.  I'll try the Big Front rack.
> All the beset,
> Kevin Lindsey
>
> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 2:46:53 PM UTC-4, John wrote:
>>
>> Ask yourself how much you plan to put in your panniers? Riv says the load 
>> for the Big Front Rack is 30 lbs, and the Hub Area Rack is 7 lbs per 
>> pannier. Another question is how rough are the roads you plan to travel?
>>  
>> And you are limited to tires no larger than 52mm with the Big Front Rack, 
>> something I found out when I tried to fit the rack over 55mm Big Bens. 
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 10, 2017 at 8:14:38 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>>>
>>> Greetings.
>>> I need a front rack suitable for loaded touring (i.e. for panniers) 
>>> that'll fit on my 54cm 700c Hunq.  I was assuming that the Nitto Big Front 
>>> Rack would be the way to go, but then I read a comment on the page 
>>> for Nitto's Mark's Hub Area rack that "Yes, this rack will work for newer 
>>> 700c Hunqapillars."  Is there an issue with Hunqs and Nitto front racks?  
>>> What are others using?
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Kevin Lindsey
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone know about cycling Death Valley

[Steve S]

If you are planning to go to Furnace Creek area, then:
Consider the dirt road into Echo Canyon. Entrance is not far from Furnace 
Creek. Echo Canyon gives you near zero car traffic, very interesting canyon 
views, and a mine about 9 miles. If you are setup to bike/camp, there are 
places not far from the mine where camping is allowed. No water on this 
route, so you may want to cache water, or carry a lot of water.

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 5:39:08 PM UTC-8, Tim wrote:
>
> I'll be taking the Hunqapillar, Roadeo and either the Hilsen or MAP out 
> there for some camping and cycling here in the next couple of weeks camping 
> and doing a lot of riding. Any advice?

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[RBW] Sam Hillborne in Autumn Orange

[Carla Waugh]

Can you post on the Riv group on FB so I can see your pics? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Bill Lindsay]

The Roadeo has 55mm brake clearance and does not take Tektro 559 brakes.  The 
Roadeo takes Tektro 539 brakes.  The Frank Jones Sr has 59mm brake clearance 
and that’s near the minimum for Tektro 559 brakes. The Hillborne has 65mm brake 
clearance and that is near the maximum for Tektro 559 brakes.  

Are you actually asking why doesn’t Grant design every bike to have the maximum 
brake clearance possible?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Tim, I should add that it could very well depend on the size frame too.  The 
65cm fits me just right for a big upright laid back ride but I have little 
stand over with 97pbh on a frame suitable for up to 100pbh but for more 
aggressive trail riding a 59cm frame with regular bullmoose bars would likely 
work for me just fine with only occasional log jumps

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[iamkeith]

Agree that the appaloosa is not comparable, with it's smaller tire clearance.  
The ability to fit a 2.5" tire, with fenders, is what sets the clem and hunq 
apart.

If one of the clems fits really well, I'd have a hard time telling someone they 
would should get a hunq.  But don't compromise if it doesn't.  I love my clem 
(59) but will probably swap it for a hunq now that they finally make one in my 
size (56).

I enjoy the clem on singletrack and, if i had adequate standover clearance, 
might even choose it more often DESPITE the fact that i have 6 other mountain 
bikes to choose from.  For rowdy fun on trails, i do think ultra-short 
chainstays are the way to go, but i enjoy the uniqueness and variety of the 
clem's long stays.  It's almost impossible to pop the front end up and "manual" 
over logs and such, and requires more regular dismounts and portages. If you're 
not in a hurry, that's not an issue - but you should be aware.

The clem's long front end makes rough descents feel confident, and difficult to 
endo.  The "new" hunq geometries seem to have gone this way too, though.

Its also an amazingly good climber if you get the handlebar position right, 
because you have so much room to shift your weight fore and aft as necessary. 

Last consideration, for someone who really wants to prioritze trail riding, is 
wheel size.  Bigger diameter is smoother by far.  So, for instance, if I fit a 
legacy 54 hunq, which took 29" wheels, I would absolutely choose that over a 52 
clem with 650b wheels.  

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[RBW] Re: PSA San Louis Obispo CL

[Mitch Browne]

Bob lives in Los Osos, seems to flip an occasional bike as a hobby. I've 
done business with him before, he's honest, though not a Riv or Bob.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA


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Re: [RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[iamkeith]

On Friday, November 10, 2017 at 11:03:50 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
> In that case, why do models like the Rodeo and Blue Lug SS need to have more 
> limited clearance than, say the Hillborne, considering they all can use the 
> same model of long reach brakes?
> 
> IanA/Edmonton Canada where wider tires are welcome on our winter ravaged 
> roads.

Ian,  i didn't compare but, if that's accurate, it kind of reinforces my 
theory.  The hillbourne is somewhat stout and able to take racks for small 
loads and is probably perfect for something like a credit card tour.  The 
roadeo (and presumably this blue lug single speed?) is made for spirited, 
shorter rides and racing.  My guess is that the critical clearance-limitation 
point of the roadeo is at the chainstays, even if the two bikes use the same 
brakes.  They "could" but probably don't "want" to shape or bend things around 
enough to fit a bigger tire.

On the other hand, as joe mentioned, they probably have to manage some 
aesthetic expectations from the target buyer and, in the case of the roadeo / 
blue lug, that might mean straight, skinny chainstays that allow for the lowest 
possible Q factor.

And i suppose your point is valid too, since the hub spacing is narrower than 
135 on both bikes.  That alone would affect chainstay clearance if the stays 
are straight.  

My quickbeam, (which is even too limited for my preference, for the same 
reasons as you) has a large crimped area at the tire location that I'm assuming 
doesn't exist on the roadeo, because of it's potential stiffening effect.

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Re: [RBW] What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Steve Palincsar]

Untrue.  It's not safe to ride with cantilever brakes with "traditional" 
style ^ cables and knobbies w/o fenders.  Shimano created a new style of 
hanger cable to fix that problem when it surfaced decades ago.



On 11/12/2017 12:09 AM, lum gim fong wrote:

Canti QB?
i read that its not safe to ride with cantis and knobbies without fenders. So 
make sure you go slicks if you ever take off the fenders. Guessing you already 
know this but wanted to type it just in case.



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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Timothy Hurley]

Thanks Brian. That's what I figured.

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[RBW] Re: FS 51 Joe Appaloosa silver

[Andrew Huston]

Bump. Great Christmas present!!

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[RBW] FS: BG deadstock racks

[chris feczko]

Hey joe,

I have a rock n road tour and I’m wondering if the rear bag support would work. 
Not be a pain but could you put a tape measure on it and let me know the dims. 
I just want make sure it’ll  reach the eyelets and clear my 42’s 
.

Thanks 

Chris
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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Garth]

An H frame rides like an H , a Sam a Sam .  Kinda like Apples, a Pippin tastes 
like a Pippin and a Fireside tastes like a Fireside. 

But how do you choose ?   Nothing less than both could ever completely satisfy. 
 Just stating the truth. 

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[RBW] Hunqapillar

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Doug, I have no experience with a Hunq but own a Clem.  The Clem has a Hunq 
fork and otherwise appears to be just as stout as a Hunq but sans diagatube and 
at a much lower price point.  As others noted the Clem is much longer ... in 
both chainstay and top tube. Clem is also designed for big swept back bars 
(bosco) and feels like it has more cruiser in it’s lineage.  Depending where 
you fall in the fit range of any given size may determine what options you have 
for alternate setups.

Im at the bottom of the pbh range for 65cm Clem and wouldn’t want to use 
anything but swept back bars with its epic top tube length.

Timothy,  I’ve taken my Clem on one small stretch of local singletrack many 
times with success but would not recommend for very tight technical trails... 
twisty and flowy sure, but not very technical and rocky where something shorter 
and easier to hop with would be preferable

Brian Cole 
Lawrenceville NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lost & found anything while riding?

[Garth]

Well  how 'bout that Conway !

I swear, "memories" are about as reliable as a candle in the wind ☺

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Re: [RBW] What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Eric Daume]

I'd be more worried about knobbies + fenders + off road debris. If
something gets stuck in the fender, it could stop the wheel very fast.

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 12:09 AM, lum gim fong 
wrote:

> Canti QB?
> i read that its not safe to ride with cantis and knobbies without fenders.
> So make sure you go slicks if you ever take off the fenders. Guessing you
> already know this but wanted to type it just in case.
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[RBW] What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Garth]

Knobbies and canti's not "safe" ?  Sure for those that promoted v-brakes 
and slick tires and "protection" devices I suppose since their sales depended 
upon this myth... but for the countless rest of us it is not and never was. 
Safety and peril are 2 sides of the same coin, dependent on each other and 
satisfying nothing. 


For Deacon Patrick, It seems to me a custom frame of some sort would be your 
"answer". That way it could be designed just as you needed, instead of trying 
to make bike after bike work by compromise. By the time you add up all the time 
and money spent on compromises you can have a custom. But with compromises all 
you have ever have is compromised from the very start and won't be anything 
else. 

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[RBW] Re: What if the answer is knobbies on the QB?

[Steve Butcher]

Aye!  Love it!  

On Saturday, November 11, 2017 at 9:21:09 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I wonder about snow and mud clearence too, Steve. One way to find out. 
> Grin. The good news is I don’t have my fenders super snug to begin with as 
> they need room to clear detrius where I ride, so there is play in there. 
> Here’s what happened on a mud ride earlier this year with Barlow Pass 
> tires. 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/mudbeam-aka-quickbeam-rides-rampart-reservoir 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Portland Rivster request for local transaction and shipping for Craigslist find?

[Deacon Patrick]

Yeah, Doug. I decided to pass on this because of the unknowns (to me) about the 
drivetrain were more than I wanted to dive into. Passing on it led to the 
knobbie Quickbeam idea. Funny how my brain works. I often have to play with the 
more complex answers before I see the simple one right infront of my face. 
Sardonic grin.l

With abandon,
Patrick

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