[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

So is there really any diff between a hypothetical Waterford, Toyo, and Taiwan Atlantis (fully lugged braising construction-wise)? If one was made by all three, could anyone tell a difference? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] XTR RD-952

Does anyone out there have a Shimano XTR RD m-952 that they would be interested in selling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Thanks for posting Jonathan, now I remember being intrigued by that "diversion attempt." Looks awesome. Intersecting the DT means you don't have to paint a weird/difficult line around a fillet on the cream head tube, but I wonder if there is any other advantage to doing it this way. It seems

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Organizations have to evolve as their environment changes. Products have to evolve as markets change. We can all imagine the discussions at Rivendell over major changes to an iconic model. This had to be an especially tough situation: reduce cost while retaining the spirit of the bike; get

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

On the biggest sizes, the “top” top tube is straight but slopes up and the “bottom” top tube curves like the top part of a circle. On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:31:10 PM UTC-7, DarinM wrote: > > I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models > follow suit. > > Bill, can

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Verrry inteesting My low trail Ebisu 650b is the bees knees, though I'm interested in something with even fatter tire compatibility (say 50 with generous fender clearance vs. 38) and an upslope to the TT (which would be a first here!). Of the current Riv offerings, a Sam would seem

[RBW] Jan Heine Video Interview

The folks at Path Less Pedaled interview Jan Heine this week, talking about (among other things), 650B and Jan’s role in promoting this and supple tires in general. https://youtu.be/x6x5VC2nAuE --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

I would argue the Bleriot and Quickbeam compete for best name/badge, but of current models Atlantis wins, hands down. Agreed about the color, too, it's fantastic. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Sackville Banana Sax

Hi, can any Banana Sax owners provide the bag's dimensions? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.

Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

Hi Jim, Yes 135mm rear spacing for the original 27 1/4" wheelset that I replaced with 700c. The canti studs and original Diacompe canti brakes accommodated the swap. Thankfully shipping was avoided, an out of town buyer had an in town relative, so I dropped off the bike Sunday just a couple

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Anything to get the Atlantis back in the Riv standard list of offerings... As good as so many of their frames, especially the new ones are I can't help but believe they are all slight to not so slight chips off that original block. If the modern Atlantis is a lugged Clem in a larger spread of

[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

I stand corrected if 50 cm isn't considered a small frame. I guess my main point was that shorter, lighter people (many of them women) might appreciate a less stout frame and if those frames sold it would be good for Rivendell. I have trouble finding a frame that works for me and may not be

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Still basically a sandbox, not the real world at large.   Life is different out in the real world, where the maps are full of roads that exist only on paper, the white lines don't get maintained, and random chaos rules.  You can go 2 million miles around a closed track and still not have ten

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Oh man, I want one! Weehoo - a lower priced Atlantis FINALLY! Wait, I have a 58 Sam. I'd ride a 61 Atlantis with the current Waterford geometry. Why would I want the newly re-imagined Atlantis? New Atlantis will have same top tube angle as my Sam, so there's that. Additionally, my 58 Sam

[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

Congratulations on your first Riv! The Roadini is a great riding bike, as are all Rivs in my opinion. We do want pictures when you can. jim m walnut creek, ca On Saturday, March 17, 2018 at 10:31:23 AM UTC-7, Linda G wrote: > > I might be wrong, but it appears that this size sold out on the

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:58:21 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > Since computer driven cars are basically still in the laboratory > I'm not going to argue that autonomous cars are ready for prime time, but they're still in the lab only if you consider the streets of Mountain View, the

[RBW] What happened to bullmoose bars?

The last original Bullmoose - the flattish mountain bikey one - sold on the Last Chance Specials page recently. I don't think they were a big seller in Riv World, which tends towards the pullback types. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] FS: Velocity Synergy Front Wheel (Rich Lesnik Built)

This post reminded me to get this spare wheel outta my apartment! Velocity Synergy front wheel, laced up by Rich Lesnik, so u know it's good. 700c, 36h spoke, 100mm spacing, Shimano Deore LX hub. Velox rim rape and skewer.

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

It does make me wonder what role the Joe Appaloosa plays now and it seems like some mdels will be dropped. I already thought Joe was the Taiwan Atlantis and Sam the Taiwan AHH, Roadeo = Roadini. Excited to see pics. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] What happened to bullmoose bars?

So I hadn’t been on the site in a while, but was looking for Bullmoose bars and realized they were taken off the site. Do we know why? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving

[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

Thanks, all! Carla, nae such thin’ as bad weather, only bad clothing. Grin. Ash, I do. I just use a timer and a Gorilla tripod I wrap around tree branches. The predicessor to this: https://joby.com/phone-tripods-tablet-stands/griptight-pro-all/griptight-pro-phone With abandon, Patrick --

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Today I delivered a bike in a very tippy and strange U-Haul van after not sleeping well last night. I like cars and driving, but I'm quite sure a computer would have been a more competent operator of that contraption than I was. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Good point Steve. >> "computer-driven cars are safer than people-driven" Not sure if this domain can be generalized like that. There are so many independent projects underway. The statement might be true for the leading one or two, but majority them are still buggy, not close to being

[RBW] Re: Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

Nice post Patrick! I'll try to remind myself of your rides like this one before I decide to skip the bike because it is drizzling :) Btw, who takes those pictures? Do you have one of those drones that follows you? On Monday, 19 March 2018 17:49:47 UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote: > > Great

[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

Did you mean small as in sizing or less stout? If less stout, I agree. If sizing, I disagree that riv says they don't sell. A person riding a 50 cm roadini would be on a 52 Hillborne. That size range smallish medium seems to sell out pretty quickly. -- You received this message because

[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

Great photos! I admire your gumption for always getting out no matter the weather! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Bill, There was a “spy photo” that Grant posted in a thread a while back. I don’t recall what the discussion was about and don’t know what heading to search for. That might also be the frame you were thinking of. He hinted that it was something in the possible works. Ray -- You

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Grant posted a photo of a frame with a curved 2nd tube in this thread about the Silver shifters back in December. Silver Shifter 2 project revived On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 5:31:10 PM UTC-5, DarinM wrote: > > I

[RBW] OT: gransfors bruk

Anyone here buy a smaller hatchet and wish they bought the small forest axe? I did the opposite. If you want one larger, I want one smaller. Let’s swap and both be happy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: ISO: Silver bar-end right-hand shifter pod

yes, those two should get together On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 4:51:47 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Franklyn, check Mat Grewe's "cockpit items for sale" post. He has pods. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

I'm in favor of it. I love my Atlantis to death but I couldn't have afforded it new. Luckily I bought it used. Happy for those that will be able to enjoy a similar ride in the future :) On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:10:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > The BLUG today announced an upcoming

[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

Patrick, What a fun adventure! The last photo is spectacular and iconic! Erl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

grey knickers sold, black pants sale pending -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Very interesting news. So many questions Ironically, the 2016 geometry revisions - particularly the addition of the 59cm/650b - have had me seriously trying to figure out how to swing an Atlantis purchase for the first time ever. I've continued to think of that model as my aspirational

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Well, they’re out in the world, so they’ve escaped the lab. Note that I referred to a *future* in which safer cars drive themselves. We may not be there yet. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Steve Palincsar

[RBW] Well, Here’s a Spot of Snow

In which I ride when I couldn’t have pre-fixed, for a frozen derailure and loss of brakes, but all’s good with fixed! And there’s testing out the new wider writing board (works great cross legged too now!), saddle as backrest exposé, coffee, pipe, and narrowly avoided snow down me back.

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

On 03/19/2018 06:39 PM, Eric Norris wrote: By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 2015, which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours. It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” story that triggers all sorts of worries about

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

On Rivs Instagram on my phone there are three photos per row. On row 17 there’s a photo of inside Riv hq with the caption “will talking shop”. It also has the hashtag #rivbikesaturdays. Hanging in the background is a big unpainted frame with the curvatube I saw. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito Ca

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

Maybe I saw it in person, or maybe I’m thinking of Kevens weird curvature custom. If you don’t find it on Rivs Instagram then I’m sure I won’t find it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

This is great news! I was just thinking yesterday that the Atlantis, with its large price tag Waterford construction, had moved to a state that had gotten away from its original mission - more affordable all-rounder. Now I realize that it's almost 19 years since the original creation of the model,

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

I am both happy that they are making cheaper bikes and also happy that i have a waterford atlantis. I wonder a little about the purpose of keeping a bike like the appaloosa in the lineup when the atlantis will be a similar price and get longer stays (and presumably hunqapillar will also go the

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

By comparison, 5,376 pedestrians were killed by people-drive cars in 2015, which is one pedestrian killed every 1.6 hours. It’s not helpful to focus a single accident—this is a “man bites dog” story that triggers all sorts of worries about technology gone wrong. The facts, however, might

[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

Interesting. A short while back I alluded to the idea that Riv seemed headed out of the Waterford-frames business in favor of the Taiwan stuff people will actually pay for, and don't require a long might-change-my-mind wait. I think the Taiwan shop does immaculate work, and I like being able to

[RBW] Re: First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

On average, there are 3,300 car accident fatalities each day in the US. All the research I've seen so far says autonomous cars are better than humans. At least, they don't look at their phones while driving. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Lower price Atlantis!

I think this is a good move for Riv. Won't surprised if other models follow suit. Bill, can you link to what you suspect is a picture of the curvy TT XL? I don't see anything like that on their insta. The Blug description sounds really cool/interesting but I'm having trouble visualizing a

Re: [RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

This is not a solution, just a description of another day and another place; a galaxy long, long ago, and far, far away. Dave Moulton on cars, bikes, and everyday transportation in 1950s. Rationing in its entirety ended only in 1954.

[RBW] Lower price Atlantis!

The BLUG today announced an upcoming pre-sale for a less expensive Atlantis. No doubt they will be made in Taiwan. The pricing hint is "a tad more than an Appaloosa". Is it good that Rivendell is evolving? I say yes. Is it a little sad that the Atlantis is changing? I say sure, a little.

[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

There's a lot of detail missing here. Neither the car nor the person in the driver's seat avoided the pedestrian, which makes me question if the accident would have been the same with a person doing all the driving. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

[RBW] ISO: Silver bar-end right-hand shifter pod

Franklyn, check Mat Grewe's "cockpit items for sale" post. He has pods. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: FS: Paul Racer Brakeset, Black, $250

Trade for a set of RACER M on black? On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 4:34:58 PM UTC-4, Gabriel Bruguier wrote: > > Bump. Price reduction-- I would be willing to let them go for $200 > shipped. > >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Cockpit Items - For Sale

Hi Mat, I PM'd you regarding the Albatross bars. Wondering what their width is. Thanks -Kai BK NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Like it or not the transportation landscape is due for a drastic overhaul over the next 20 years. Bicycles will be part if that, but many people will cease to own cars. People will use autonomus electric ride share cars and I think electric scooters will take over!!! Bike lanes will basically

Re: [RBW] What type of bike would make you buy another riv

I have two things that would wrest open my wallet. First, another red Rosco with vertical rear drop outs instead of the horizontal ones the last one came with. Same color or maybe a bit more Crimson! #2 would be a Gloripillar or Hunqabury; basically a custom low standover Hunqapillar. It's on

[RBW] First pedestrian killed by autonomous car

Makes me wonder what cycling danger will be like after these cars take over: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/self-driving-uber-car-involved-fatal-accident-arizona-n857941?cid=par-xfinity_20180319 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

[RBW] Spring, winds, flowers, dirt, ride

Nothing special, except to me, but I just got back from a very nice 20 mile out 'n' back on the Matthews; 17 miles of it dirt, and most of that rather choppy because I followed the acequia roads from the southern to the northern end of Corrales, just shy of the dam, and that is horse country.

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

Fantastic! Great build. Per gearing, to echo what Patrick of the Moore said, ride till you can’t, walk till you can. Grin. You’ll be amazed how you build up to your gearing being normal. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: Looks like 50 cm Roadinis sold out. So much for small frames not selling.

Great, I hardly consider a 50cm, small, but it is right on the boundary. Under 50cm and popularity drifts off big time. 46 thru 49cm are slow going. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

[RBW] Re: FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

Sent you a DM about the small, black knickers. David Lipsky Berkeley On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, Coconutbill wrote: > > Greetings, Rivendell friends, > > I have a number of MUSA pants & knickers, ... > > > > > > > > > > > -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] FS: MUSA Pants & Knickers

Greetings, Rivendell friends, I have a number of MUSA pants & knickers, which I have not been wearing for a while. All of which have been used, and are in varying degrees of wear, which is why the price is so low! Hopefully the prices are fair, will happily include a photo of the individual

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

Valdipino - my daughter and I were caught together in a monsoon one day and each had them - they were perfect. In lighter rain, I can certainly live without them, and will either wear the lightest shell or go wet. One thought about vented helmets - the run-off through your helmet and hair

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

I have VAUDE Valdipino Raincoat, Blue, Large, and I'm 6'4" and 225 lbs. Mine has elastic loops in the front for wrists, but I typically hook them over the brake hoods to keep the bar covered. I've also attached them to the bars with velcro loops when riding choco bars/mountain levers. And the

Re: [RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

Pretty! I approve the single speed drivetrain. As for gearing: you'll quickly get used to climbing in slightly higher gears, and this won't be a burden if you live in a flat area with only occasional hills. Headwinds can be more wearing. On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:26 AM, lconley

Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

Which Vaude do you guys have? I like my Vaude Valdipino for light rains but mine barely covers the bars (bosco bars) but has no elastic or anything to keep it there, so with the wind blowing around it often flips or slides

[RBW] Re: Riv Redwood Updates.

David, I like your Redwood and all the creativity you brought to it. Do you get pedal strike when you run the 650b wheels? Best regards, Richard On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 6:41:03 PM UTC-4, David B wrote: > > I’ve had my Redwood setup as a weekend road bike - switching between 650b > and

Re: [RBW] FS: BMC Monstercross F/F/HS 65cm

Bump. This is a great frame for a tall rider out there! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

[RBW] Frank Jones Sr first ride.

Took my freshly completed Frank Jones Sr for its first ride on Saturday on the Coast to Coat bike trail in Titusville. Immediately noticed a few things. My feet are too wide for the lovely old Lyotard Berthet pedals, I am not in good enough shape for the 45 - 18 gearing (OK on the flat,

[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

I must have the same Vaude poncho as Jon, and while I've only needed it a couple of times caught in monsoon rain, it works great On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 8:54:10 AM UTC-5, Jon BALER wrote: > > My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me. My basket bag > is waterproof, so

[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

That actually looks sort of terrifying. I can imagine having control issues with a loaded basket getting pulled by the poncho material in emergency steering situations in the city. Even with plenty of material, it seems suspect. Jason On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 6:30:12 PM UTC-4,

Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

Off Topic random Tandem questions: Tony, it had 135 hubs in the back? My 94' Burley Duet has 140, and I stuffed a 145 in there when I had a new wheel built for modern Shimano drivetrain, could use the Shimano rear tandem hub that way. I would like an HHH also, but I would have to thin the herd

[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Fairweather Rain Poncho?

My vaude covers my handlebar, which is good enough for me. My basket bag is waterproof, so don't really need that feature. I did mod my Vaude by attaching a shock cord and carrabiner in the rear to attach to my seat rail, which keeps it from riding up my back. At 6'4", I doubt the size large

Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

SOLD - definitely bittersweet packing up the Burley as it really is a fine looking bike but I'm excited to be taking delivery of our new HHH and getting that one built up shortly! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] FS - Riv'd Burley Tandem

SOLD - It was definitely bittersweet packing up the Burley, it's a great looking bike but I'm excited for the HHH build up. On Friday, March 2, 2018 at 1:16:35 PM UTC-5, Jeff wrote: > > I'm a little bit interested in, but been lazy in putting my Rosco v.2 out > on the market which would satisfy