[RBW] Hillborne Questions...

[Joe Bernard]

I can't say how it would go with bolts that close, but I've definitely rubbed a 
chainring with that kind of clearance. 

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[RBW] Hillborne Questions...

[Adam in Indiana]

So I'm looking to finally get the build on my canti Hillborne started, but a 
few questions have come up...

First off, safe clearance between the chainstay and chainring bolts.  I'm using 
a Veloce 110 bcd power torque crank, and the chainring bolts come pretty close 
to the stays... The worse is the hidden bolt behind the crankarm, with about 
1.5mm of clearance.  That is, I can just squeeze/scrape a 1.5mm hex key through 
the gap.  To little?  I'm not sure how much the Sam will flex under my 210 
lbs... Wouldn't that part of the chainstay move/flex with the bottom bracket 
anyhow..?

Second question is on the fork vent holes... Has anyone tried to route dynamo 
wiring through them?  Is it even possible to get through the top of the fork 
blade and crown?

Thanks, everyone!

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks Tom.  Any help appreciated but certainly do not take time away from 
anything important!  It's just that I will someday have a 58cm Sam, and 
will have an Acorn tall rando bag waiting for it.   I will certainly 
measure everything numerous times, then still worry that it is right, but 
your set-up looks almost exactly the way I imagine mine will work out.  I 
do love the orange versions, and with the cream headtube and the tan 
sidewalls, it looks perfect.  I have to say I also love the lush green 
grass and leaves in the picture!  Winter and early spring are really 
hanging on here in the midwest.

Thanks for any help! 

Bob


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:34:30 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Bob, thanks.  Love the Acorn stuff!  I bought the Berthoud decaleur from 
> Bike Touring News; they were the only ones that had the parts in stock.  I 
> will have to dig up my exact order and get back to you on the size.
>
> Tom
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:24:48 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>>
>> ...Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with 
>> the Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob Lovejoy
>> Galesburg, IL
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[tc]

Lum,
Thanks.  Most of the credit for the photo goes to Mother Nature, as usual: 
Thin, even overcast, shot a tad less than an hour before sunset (magic 
hour...).  The Spring green-up all around us these days makes everything 
look great.  But I have to admit the orange tone of the Sam looks really 
great against the green lawn and leaves.

My contribution was shooting with a Canon S110, handheld, about 15 feet 
away from the bike and zoomed in a bit, down at bike level.  I used 
aperture priority, f5.9 @ 1/10 (show shutter speed contributed to 
fuzziness).

After downloading to my Thinkpad, I brought up the basic Windows 10 
"Photos" editor, cropped it, added a touch more of the "Clarity" setting, 
and finally used a little vignetting to darken the edges and make the bike 
pop a little more.

Tom

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 12:57:46 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> tc:
> How did you get that pic of your Sam? I wish I could get nice color tones 
> like that!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[tc]

Lum,
Thanks.  Most of the credit for the photo goes to Mother Nature, as usual: 
Thin, even overcast, shot a tad less than an hour before sunset (magic 
hour...).  The Spring green-up all around us these days makes everything 
look great.  But I have to admit the orange tone of the Sam looks really 
great against the green lawn and leaves.

My contribution was shooting with a Canon S110, handheld, about 15 feet 
away from the bike and zoomed in a bit, down at bike level.  I used 
aperture priority, f5.9 @ 1/10 (show shutter speed contributed to 
fuzziness).

After downloading to my Thinkpad, I brought up the basic Windows 10 
"Photos" editor, cropped it, added a touch more of the "Clarity" setting, 
and finally used a little vignetting to darken the edges and make the bike 
pop a little more.

Tom

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 12:57:46 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> tc:
> How did you get that pic of your Sam? I wish I could get nice color tones 
> like that!

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[RBW] Re: Many nice Sam Hillbornes lately

[tc]

Bob, thanks.  Love the Acorn stuff!  I bought the Berthoud decaleur from 
Bike Touring News; they were the only ones that had the parts in stock.  I 
will have to dig up my exact order and get back to you on the size.

Tom

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 7:24:48 PM UTC-4, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> ...Do you remember the size of the Berthoud decaleur you are using with 
> the Acorn?  No worries if not but if you do know, it would help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 6:12:27 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>>
>> I use my 2017 58 Sam for paved greenways and roads.  It's a standard 
>> 'complete' build, except I swapped out the std Noodles for 46s, added black 
>> cork tape, plus a kickstand.  Later added an Acorn roll bag, and Acorn's 
>> Tall Rando bag (had to wait FOREVER for them to do a black canvas run!).  
>> Berthoud decaleur, and a Nitto M18 (?) front rack .  The Snoqualmie Pass 
>> tires are like butter.  I don't much like the look of the Topeak Road Morph 
>> mini pump, but it's one of the nicer pumps I've operated.  Bottle cage is a 
>> Velo Orange Retro.
>>
>> I need to mount another bottle cage before the heat sets in, so will 
>> probably stuff the pump somewhere else.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Tom! Aye, 44s fit, at least the Snoqualmie Pass do. No idea on Rock n’ 
Roads. The 44’s are snug, so no play if your rim goes out of true, and a bit 
less front to rear space for shifting. I prefer the ultra supple ride of 
Compass. Estes is beautiful. I grew up in Ft. Collins and grew up playing in 
the NP.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Nick Payne]

MTB 11-speed cassettes with 40t large cog are pretty common these days, and 
I've found you don't even need an MTB RD to use them. The latest Ultegra 
GS R8000 RD will change across an 11-40 no problem with the B-screw most of 
the way in. Also, using the MTB cassettes has the advantage that you don't 
need a new hub with the longer 11-speed freehub body and more wheel dish to 
fit an 11-speed cassette - the large 11-speed cassettes fit on older 
8/9/10-speed hubs because the large inner cog can overhang the freehub more 
to the inside without the RD hitting the spokes in bottom gear. I fitted 
one of these cassettes and a Sugino OX crank with 39-26 chainrings to my 
wife's road bike, which gives her gears from 93" down to 17". She spins up 
the hills and annoys a few of the big beefy blokes who are grunting up in 
their hero gearing...

YT video showing the Ultegra RD and 40t cassette: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roUXWvAN-9k.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[tc]

Uh, make that Rocky Mtn *National *Park.  We were staying near Estes Park 
("Machin's Cottages"), and drove south for a while one day just exploring, 
and got close enough to Pike's Peak to take in the beauty all around 
there.  

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:42:58 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>
> Hey Patrick, you obviously haven't told your Quickbeam it isn't supposed 
> to be able to do what it is doing!  Don't blame you though, for it looks 
> like you both are more than up to the task.
>
> I know you really like the 38 Steilacooms and have no reason to change.  
> Just wondering, did you ever try the 43 Rock n Roads?  Can you fit up to a 
> 44 theoretically?
>
> Thanks for another edition of your adventures.  I visited Rocky Mountain 
> State Park a couple of times about 15 years ago...the area around Pike's 
> Peak is breathtaking in Winter (literally and figuratively).
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[tc]

Hey Patrick, you obviously haven't told your Quickbeam it isn't supposed to 
be able to do what it is doing!  Don't blame you though, for it looks like 
you both are more than up to the task.

I know you really like the 38 Steilacooms and have no reason to change.  
Just wondering, did you ever try the 43 Rock n Roads?  Can you fit up to a 
44 theoretically?

Thanks for another edition of your adventures.  I visited Rocky Mountain 
State Park a couple of times about 15 years ago...the area around Pike's 
Peak is breathtaking in Winter (literally and figuratively).

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[tc]

Goodness, that’s a pretty scene, Nick. Wow. 

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[tc]

A quality wheel set should cost less than a quality complete bike I guess, 
right?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Deacon Patrick]

Hunqabeam will be 61” main and 42” turkey vulture gear.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Eric Daume]

Doh, my mistake: it seems the 29er triple is 22/30/40 (downsized middle and
big rings).

In my defense, I live in Ohio and haven't used a tiny granny in many, many
years.

Eric

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 5:07 PM, Analog Cycles Frederick, MD <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Eric, point me in the direction of those 20t mtn cranks.  If they can
> mount a 44t big ring and have 5 bolts I'm all about it.
>
> -James
>
>
>
>
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> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a
>> triple. Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers
>> started getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak > > wrote:
>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
>>> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
>>> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
>>> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
>>> of 24T / 40T.
>>>
>>> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
>>> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
>>> loose, steep stuff.
>>>
>>> Just pointing out the facts
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Deacon Patrick]

57” is my turkey vulture gearing on my QB, 71” my main gear.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Patrick Moore]

Just an aside, but I do recall fondly the one time I grunted 45 lb up a
very steep (coasting without braking or strong headwind will get you up to
40+ in under 1/2 mile) hill in a 67" gear at 4 mph (digit flickering on my
speedo), for a cadence of about 20 rpm.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:32 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Great fun, tho' I'll pass on 17*F and 50 mph winds. And fixed hauling 120
> lb must be a new experience indeed. (What is your load-pulling gear again?)
>
> Dammit, Patrick, you are making me covet (and during Great Lent, too!) a
> nice, fixed, or at least ss, dirt road bike!
>
> Patrick Moore, of the Orthodox church, for which this coming Sunday is
> only Palm Sunday, in ABQ, NM (and elsewhere, too). (No, we don't use the
> Julian calendar; that's only the hardass ROCOR types.)
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
>
>> Errandonneering complete! 16 errands in all 10 categories, 134 miles.
>> Falls into the category of “if it’s worth doing, it’s worth over doing.”
>> grin.
>> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: FS: SimpleOne 56CM Frame, Fork, and Headset

[Karl]

If I had a Frank Jones stretcher (currently out of stock with Riv) I would 
be giving you money and a frame! 

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 2:22:48 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> dang i'd probably replace my Frank Jones with this if I could sell it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Patrick Moore]

Great fun, tho' I'll pass on 17*F and 50 mph winds. And fixed hauling 120
lb must be a new experience indeed. (What is your load-pulling gear again?)

Dammit, Patrick, you are making me covet (and during Great Lent, too!) a
nice, fixed, or at least ss, dirt road bike!

Patrick Moore, of the Orthodox church, for which this coming Sunday is only
Palm Sunday, in ABQ, NM (and elsewhere, too). (No, we don't use the Julian
calendar; that's only the hardass ROCOR types.)

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Errandonneering complete! 16 errands in all 10 categories, 134 miles.
> Falls into the category of “if it’s worth doing, it’s worth over doing.”
> grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[John Hawrylak]

James

I believe 24t grannys are common:
1  RBW has the Sugino XD2 triple with a 24 and also their Silver brand with 
a 24
2  Spa Cycles in the UK sells the Xd2 with TA rings down to a 24
3  Additionally, 74mm BCD 24T granny rings are available.

The 15% difference from 24/34 (19.3gi) to 24/40 (16.4gi) is the 14% to 15% 
delta Rohloff quotes as being a standard % change for shifts. Also the 
24/34 to 24/40 shift has a delta gi of 2.9 gi which is approx. the same the 
2.6gi diff for a 30 to 34 rear shift (21.9 to 19.3 gi). 

although your 34 to 36 to 40 is 2 shifts, it is equivalent to only 1 shift. 
  Bigger cogs are required to obtain the same % changes in gear inches

*Your TVS gearing is a great idea, really pushing the envelop *& getting 
gear inches not available before with a RD.  I just think a 
apples-to-apples comparison should have been made on the granny's.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ 

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[RBW] Re: Pletscher CLEM Rack Dimension Needed

[John Hawrylak]

Mark

Thanks for the pictures.  Sorry about the confusing post

I wanted the horizontal distance along the rack, from the front of it to 
directly above the rear drop out containing the strut plate.  This point 
should be just aft of the strut to rack top rivet.

Just eyeballing it from the pic with the tape measure, it looks to be about 
11cm

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[RBW] Re: Huge Step-through Spring Update

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice thing about these is that they can go on either an Expedition or the 
Sport. And, they are silver.
I think that the old Carradice Bagman 2 (with supports) was only available 
in the Sport size and black.

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 11:52:13 AM UTC-7, MartyG wrote:
>
> The struts are available separately. By the way, this is the Sport model, 
> a little less drop than the Expedition, but with the added height of the 
> saddle springs it's just perfect. 
>
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> https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/carradice-bagman-stabiliser-struts/?geoc=US
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Patrick Moore]

My mountain bike days were mostly pre-1995, with the first being a CyclePro
"Sintesi" with Deore 6 speed; 48/238/28 X 14/28 was the rule. The next was
ditto but 7. By 1995 the gearing had dropped to 46/36/24, with 22s cropping
up, and 32 cogs available.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 2:45 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a
> triple. Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers
> started getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak 
> wrote:
>
>> James
>>
>> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
>> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
>> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
>> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
>> of 24T / 40T.
>>
>> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
>> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
>> loose, steep stuff.
>>
>> Just pointing out the facts
>>
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>> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: FS: Mavic MTB/Touring Crankset w/ Campagnolo BB $80.00 + shipping

[Paul M]

The crankset and bb have been sold. Thanks

On Thursday, 29 March 2018 11:53:50 UTC-7, Paul M wrote:
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> Hello, Vintage Mavic crankset removed from a early 90's Ritchey road bike 
> that was hardly ridden. 172.5 crank arms, forged, 24/38/48 chain rings in 
> very good condition ( 8 out of a 10 scale). Light scuffs but on spider but 
> overall very nice and serviceable. 115mm Campagnolo bottom bracket with 
> minimal bearing wear on cups. $80.00 for the set
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Scott Blouke  wrote:

> I just want to add.
> A browse through some "common" touring bikes Fuji/LHT/Marrakesh/ REI ADV
> 1.1 all use a 48/36/26 crank and while a 24T is possible its not on them.
>
>
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:45:37 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a
>> triple. Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers
>> started getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
>>> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
>>> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
>>> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
>>> of 24T / 40T.
>>>
>>> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
>>> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
>>> loose, steep stuff.
>>>
>>> Just pointing out the facts
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

John,

If I compared a 24t granny and a 34t cog and claimed TVS was 23% lower than
that, that would be not true.  However, I compared* a typical touring
crankset *(Sugino XD) and rear cassette 11-34... same rear spread used by
surly, riv, etc.  There are also 11-36 cassettes out there, which would in
fact be 1 shift lower.  However, the 40t provides two shifts lower than a
34t cassette.  So even if the stock touring bike had a 24t up front, with a
40 out back you would have two lower gears to shift into.

700c x 35, 24t granny and 34t rear cog = 19.34   Sub in a 36t cog from
Shimano:  18.25.  Sub in a 40t from IRD or Sunrace:  16.35.  That is indeed
a 15% difference between a 24/34 and a 24/40, but where you got the idea
that was equivalent to one shift... I don't know.

Even if there was no difference in gearing, the TVS has a clutch, which is
*clutch* for riding off road.


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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> James
>
> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
> of 24T / 40T.
>
> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
> loose, steep stuff.
>
> Just pointing out the facts
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Scott Blouke]

I just want to add.
A browse through some "common" touring bikes Fuji/LHT/Marrakesh/ REI ADV 
1.1 all use a 48/36/26 crank and while a 24T is possible its not on them.


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 1:45:37 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a 
> triple. Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers 
> started getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak  > wrote:
>
>> James
>>
>> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is 
>> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article 
>> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the 
>> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS 
>> of 24T / 40T.
>>
>> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi  
>> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the 
>> loose, steep stuff.
>>
>> Just pointing out the facts
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Kevin Lindsey]

Very nice.  How does the high handlebar bag (high, as opposed to one that 
sits lower down on a front rack) affect your Hunq's handling?  I found that 
it made mine surprisingly squirrelly.
Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list member. 
>  I sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to this, a 
> Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has the Rosco 
> Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

Hey Eric, point me in the direction of those 20t mtn cranks.  If they can
mount a 44t big ring and have 5 bolts I'm all about it.

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a
> triple. Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers
> started getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak 
> wrote:
>
>> James
>>
>> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
>> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
>> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
>> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
>> of 24T / 40T.
>>
>> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
>> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
>> loose, steep stuff.
>>
>> Just pointing out the facts
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Eric Daume]

Also, it's been a long time since mountain bikes had a 24t low on a triple.
Most 26ers had 22t, with a 34t low (16.8 gear inches). 29ers started
getting a 20t low, before 2x and 1x drivetrains took over.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 4:29 PM, John Hawrylak 
wrote:

> James
>
> You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is
> 15%, since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article
> using a 26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the
> article is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS
> of 24T / 40T.
>
> The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi
> 924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the
> loose, steep stuff.
>
> Just pointing out the facts
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Love the idea, and I'm close to actually trying it on my Jones... A 29x3" 
knobby set and a 29x2.35 semi-slick set.  EBB accounts for any height 
differential if necessary.

I also like the idea for my Saluki, a rough stuff RnR or new compass knobby set 
to pair with my compass bsp set.  But I haven't made it happen.  Quality 
wheelsets are expensive especially if they aren't seeing regular use... If I 
got into cross or something that really drove a knobby tire it would make more 
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[RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[John Hawrylak]

James

You claim of 23% lower gearing is not exactly true.  The difference is 15%, 
since a touring bike can easily have a 24T granny vs your article using a 
26T granny for the touring bike and a 24T granny for TVS.  So the article 
is not a true comparison between a 26T granny/34T cog and your TVS of 24T / 
40T.

The 24/34 gives 19.3 gi.  The 15% difference to your TVS of 16.4 gi  
924/40) is 1 gear shift lower.   I'm sure the 1 lower shift helps in the 
loose, steep stuff.

Just pointing out the facts

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Nick Payne]

My touring bike has had a 17" low gear for many years - Rohloff hub with 
38t chainring and 17t rear cog. I can happily ride it up steep climbs at 
6-7kph with my cadence still up at around 80. It's got me up some Swiss 
mountains with gradients getting up to about 30%. Here it is near the top 
of the Mostelegg pass, which had an average gradient of 13% with a maximum 
of 23%, and according to my bike computer I doddled up at an average speed 
of 6.7kph.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Conway Bennett]

The drivetrain is a 36t wolf tooth drop stop front ring, xt 10 speed 11/36
cassette and an ultegra mid cage derailer.  I hate setting up front
derailleurs and I live in the second flattest state in the union so I'm
covered for gearing both here and beyond.

I bought a sunrace 9 speed 11-40 cassette for my wife's bike and did the
whole turkey vulture thing except with a stick shift front.  I


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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 12:59 PM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Sweet 1x drivetrain! I’m building up my wife’s Clementine as a 1x and have
> been puzzling out how to figure her chainring. Is yours a 32 or 34? or am I
> off? (the answer may be yes to both!) Grin.
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> It’s hard to beat a stable with a QB and Hunqa in it!
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Jay Connolly]

Thank for this, James. Some time ago, I came across your turkey vulture concept 
and now employ it on several bikes. I live in an area with plenty of very steep 
paved and gravel roads—many of them approaching 20% for short stretches—and 
even steeper sections on the MTB trails. I’ve found that on MTB or mixed 
terrain bikes, an 11-50 1x with a 32t chainring works great. (On once of these 
bikes I have a SRAM GX shifter, and on another I use a Shimano XT shifter. Both 
use the Shimano M8000 11s rear mech.) On a road bike, I want 105” or better at 
the top, but I still need to preserve the 19” low end, so I’ve gone with the WI 
46/26 and a 12-36 cassette. Thanks for helping people find these solutions.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Philip Williamson]

I've had "extra wheelsets" for bikes, but never used them. I just ride what 
I've got on the bike, and start fantasizing about getting another frame. 

I could use a knobby wheelset for the Bontrager, but I kind of want a whole 
new bike for dirt (forward geometry singlespeed hardtail/rigid 29er).  
I do have the kickback/dynamo wheelset I could swap back onto the Quickbeam 
for the fixed/dynamo set on it now, but to make that worthwhile, I'd want 
to put on the BG RnR tires, which means removing the fenders, which seems 
like more work than I want to do for one weekend. More fun just to build up 
another bike!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 


On Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 8:44:00 PM UTC-7, tc wrote:
>
> I was reading this great article 
> on
>  
> "Chasing Mailboxes" about Kevin Turinsky and his Atlantis.  He mentioned 
> he kept 3 sets of wheels for it to exploit the frame's versatility.
>
> That got me to thinking, how many people actually do that?  It seems like 
> such a great idea for the right frame/fork ... and the Atlantis seems to be 
> that bike for a lot of people.  I think the Hunq, or Ogre, or Cross-Check, 
> or Fargo, or Monster Cross might be that frame for some.
>
> The $$ savings would be great.
>
> If you don't race, if you don't do jumps, or figure yourself a weight 
> weenie, what the heck -- why not?
>
> I guess it might be a hassle to go back and forth between a SS and a 
> multi-speed setup on the same frame, so there's that...esp. if you found 
> you liked to do both regularly.
>
> I guess for most of us, we can't get away from "n+1", so there's that.
>
> Anyway, just pondering. 
>
> Good night, all...
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Pletscher CLEM Rack Dimension Needed

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Not exactly sure what you are looking for; as I interpret your request, 
that is a variable length due to the plate provided. Hope this helps:





 
The second photo is from a series I took after installing it. It is a 
fantastic rack. Full photo album:  
https://photos.app.goo.gl/l0SAOkchPEOuvQ3y2



On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 2:36:18 PM UTC-4, John Hawrylak wrote:
>
> Could someone with a Pletscher CLEM measure the distance from the front of 
> the rack (where the collapsible stop is) to the point directly above the 
> rear drop to which the front strut is attached.
>
> Want to see how much of a gap I would have on my 88 Schwinn Voyaguer 
> between the front of the rack and the seat stays. 
>
> The Pletscher web site does not have this model  
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Conway Bennett]

On top of the downtube is a Blackburn cargo cage, on bottom is a pdw owl cage.

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

Hey Patrick, what's the name of that guy who makes those?  I know white
industries used to make the limbo spider...

14-15 gear inches is about as low as I can go on loose terrain.  We really
like horrible fire roads and class 4 roads, plus riding technical
singletrack with a loaded bike.

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> That's an interesting view of gearing, and an interesting mix of
> components to get it. I personally would rather walk after a certain point
> (or just avoid the route), but that's my own preference.
>
> I recall, back about 1990, when your typical mtb gearing was 48/38/28 X
> 14-28 7 speed (26" low), installing a Mountain Tamer Quad eensy teensy
> granny inside of the 28; it was either a 16 or an 18 t splined cog that
> attached to a bolt-on (74 bcd) splined holder. Whether 16 or 18 t, I got 16
> or 17 gi, which I found too low to manage -- I'd fall over trying to get my
> feet into the straps, and of course, setup was very finicky.
>
> The man is still in business, and you can still get a 16 t "ring". Pair
> that with a 50 t cog and a 26" 50 mm wheel for 8.32 gi. Now sprint like
> Denis Demetriev or whoever is currently a World Champ at 200 rpm and you'd
> be going just a tiny hair under 5 mph! Keep up that spin!
>
> I'm kidding of course, and I think that the Turkey system is very
> interesting, and one I'd certainly try if I rode very steep inclines and
> had the skills (which I certainly do not) to keep my balance on them.
> Really, gearing has to be aligned with needs and skills, and I dislike very
> steep, technical stuff, and can't ride it anyway.
>
> I'm curious: For heavily loaded touring, what is the lowest gear you (all)
> find desirable?
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:48 PM, James / Analog Cycles <
> analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> New article up on the Analog Cycles
>>  
>> Journal.
>> It's about Turkey Vulture Supreme gearing, a refinement of our super wide
>> range gearing system. Roughly 23% lower gearing on the low end, and the
>> same ole high gearing as a standard touring bike.  We walk through the
>> what, why and how.  If you like really steep roads, or loose steep roads,
>> or riding your touring bike off road, this gearing is for you.  Email me
>> with questions:  Analogcycles at gmail dot com.
>>
>> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/03/30/get-your-clutches-in
>> to-turkey-vulture-supreme-gearing/
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Conway Bennett]

Chris,

Yes those are wtb byways.  I rode the old 54 hunq at Riv years back and loved 
it and wished it were bigger.  I didn't measure standover, and I never have, 
but my pbh was measured at Riv at 88.  This bike feels really good.  

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Re: [RBW] Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[Patrick Moore]

That's an interesting view of gearing, and an interesting mix of components
to get it. I personally would rather walk after a certain point (or just
avoid the route), but that's my own preference.

I recall, back about 1990, when your typical mtb gearing was 48/38/28 X
14-28 7 speed (26" low), installing a Mountain Tamer Quad eensy teensy
granny inside of the 28; it was either a 16 or an 18 t splined cog that
attached to a bolt-on (74 bcd) splined holder. Whether 16 or 18 t, I got 16
or 17 gi, which I found too low to manage -- I'd fall over trying to get my
feet into the straps, and of course, setup was very finicky.

The man is still in business, and you can still get a 16 t "ring". Pair
that with a 50 t cog and a 26" 50 mm wheel for 8.32 gi. Now sprint like
Denis Demetriev or whoever is currently a World Champ at 200 rpm and you'd
be going just a tiny hair under 5 mph! Keep up that spin!

I'm kidding of course, and I think that the Turkey system is very
interesting, and one I'd certainly try if I rode very steep inclines and
had the skills (which I certainly do not) to keep my balance on them.
Really, gearing has to be aligned with needs and skills, and I dislike very
steep, technical stuff, and can't ride it anyway.

I'm curious: For heavily loaded touring, what is the lowest gear you (all)
find desirable?

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:48 PM, James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> New article up on the Analog Cycles
>  
> Journal.
> It's about Turkey Vulture Supreme gearing, a refinement of our super wide
> range gearing system. Roughly 23% lower gearing on the low end, and the
> same ole high gearing as a standard touring bike.  We walk through the
> what, why and how.  If you like really steep roads, or loose steep roads,
> or riding your touring bike off road, this gearing is for you.  Email me
> with questions:  Analogcycles at gmail dot com.
>
> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/03/30/get-your-clutches-
> into-turkey-vulture-supreme-gearing/
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: SimpleOne 56CM Frame, Fork, and Headset

[Belopsky]

dang i'd probably replace my Frank Jones with this if I could sell it.

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[RBW] Re: FS: SimpleOne 56CM Frame, Fork, and Headset

[Karl]

One more time before eBay. $650 shipped to lower 48? Thanks,

Karl


On Saturday, March 17, 2018 at 11:45:07 AM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
> A) I realize I said 58cm. This is a 56cm frame. 
> B) To keep me from putting it on eBay $700 shipped to lower 48.
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
> 
> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 4:31:16 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
> I bought this to build up last year. I finally started building it, and 
> realized I need a 58cm. SO, 58cm SimpleOne Shipped to your door for $700 net. 
> If I am a little high, please let me know. Some light scratches, but I cannot 
> see anything major. Flickr Stream https://www.flickr.com/photos/156924101@N05/
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> Karl

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[RBW] Re: Huge Step-through Spring Update

[MartyG]

The struts are available separately. By the way, this is the Sport model, a 
little less drop than the Expedition, but with the added height of the 
saddle springs it's just perfect. 


https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/luggage/carradice-bagman-stabiliser-struts/?geoc=US


> Did you order the Carradice supports as a separate item from SJS or are 
> they only available as part of a package with the Bagman?
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
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[RBW] Turkey Vulture Supreme Gearing: New article about super low gearing on the Analog Journal

[James / Analog Cycles]

New article up on the Analog Cycles 
 
Journal. 
It's about Turkey Vulture Supreme gearing, a refinement of our super wide 
range gearing system. Roughly 23% lower gearing on the low end, and the 
same ole high gearing as a standard touring bike.  We walk through the 
what, why and how.  If you like really steep roads, or loose steep roads, 
or riding your touring bike off road, this gearing is for you.  Email me 
with questions:  Analogcycles at gmail dot com.  

https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/03/30/get-your-clutches-into-turkey-vulture-supreme-gearing/



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[RBW] Pletscher CLEM Rack Dimension Needed

[John Hawrylak]

Could someone with a Pletscher CLEM measure the distance from the front of 
the rack (where the collapsible stop is) to the point directly above the 
rear drop to which the front strut is attached.

Want to see how much of a gap I would have on my 88 Schwinn Voyaguer 
between the front of the rack and the seat stays. 

The Pletscher web site does not have this model  

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Huge Step-through Spring Update

[Deacon Patrick]

Wow! What a beaut! “High-ho Silver! Away!”

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Huge Step-through Spring Update

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Marty,

That's a wonderful bike, amazing frame and, yes, love the head badge!

Did you order the Carradice supports as a separate item from SJS or are 
they only available as part of a package with the Bagman?

David Lipsky
Berkeley, CA

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:55:43 AM UTC-7, MartyG wrote:
>
> Near final touches to my Huge Step-through and a little light rain made 
> for a good picture day. Refreshments include a Bagman rack with newly 
> introduced struts picked up from SJS. Love this set-up with the B67 and 
> Cadet bag. Tires are the big Schwalbe G1s - seem perfect for this bike. 
> Fenders? Maybe down the road. What else? TA Zephyr crankset 177.5. Paul 
> brakes, F funky monkeys and levers. Albatross bars - yet to be taped. 
> Yves Gomez headbadge. (My favorite and keeps the monochrome look going.) 
>

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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet 1x drivetrain! I’m building up my wife’s Clementine as a 1x and have been 
puzzling out how to figure her chainring. Is yours a 32 or 34? or am I off? 
(the answer may be yes to both!) Grin. 

It’s hard to beat a stable with a QB and Hunqa in it!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Bob B]

Looks great!!! Ive got a similar build on my hunq with bullmoose boscos. 
What's your saddle height in these photos?

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 12:28:22 PM UTC-4, Austin B. wrote:
>
> Beautiful bike! I've always like the green on the Hunq. I also have a 
> Tubus Tara on my Sam--I wish the Riv forks had mounts in the right place to 
> fit it without an adapter.
>
> One build question--what is that bottle mount for on the downtube? Never 
> seen anything like it.
>
> And I see a ton of bikes in the background! Wish I had that kind of 
> space...actually, it's probably better that I don't.
>
> Austin
>
>
> On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>>
>> It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list 
>> member.  I sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to 
>> this, a Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has 
>> the Rosco Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.
>>
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e5x4XoXgIKDqnGqL2
>>
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[RBW] Re: Errandonneering 2018

[Deacon Patrick]

Errandonneering complete! 16 errands in all 10 categories, 134 miles. Falls 
into the category of “if it’s worth doing, it’s worth over doing.” grin.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/errandonnee-2018

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: FS: "Canti-Rom" Romulus 59, built for randonneuring

[Jonathan D.]

I just finished having my Rom overhauled. What a great ride with 33 mm tires. 
Someone should get this. 

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[RBW] Re: Huge Step-through Spring Update

[Kainalu V.]

Behold!, the best bike ever. I love love love mine. Maybe I'm the only one 
who thinks the rosco badge is the bee's knees? Plenty of room both or more 
on that mega head tube, but yea, the monochrome is nice. Great cranks, good 
times for sure. Enjoy
-Kai
BK NY


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>
> Near final touches to my Huge Step-through and a little light rain made 
> for a good picture day. Refreshments include a Bagman rack with newly 
> introduced struts picked up from SJS. Love this set-up with the B67 and 
> Cadet bag. Tires are the big Schwalbe G1s - seem perfect for this bike. 
> Fenders? Maybe down the road. What else? TA Zephyr crankset 177.5. Paul 
> brakes, F funky monkeys and levers. Albatross bars - yet to be taped. 
> Yves Gomez headbadge. (My favorite and keeps the monochrome look going.) No 
> graphics by choice. Tweaking things here and there. Will try 
> Bosco-bullmoose bars before I tape things up. Clamp-on stem shifters make 
> that easy. Have a look:
>
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[RBW] Huge Step-through Spring Update

[MartyG]

Near final touches to my Huge Step-through and a little light rain made for 
a good picture day. Refreshments include a Bagman rack with newly 
introduced struts picked up from SJS. Love this set-up with the B67 and 
Cadet bag. Tires are the big Schwalbe G1s - seem perfect for this bike. 
Fenders? Maybe down the road. What else? TA Zephyr crankset 177.5. Paul 
brakes, F funky monkeys and levers. Albatross bars - yet to be taped. 
Yves Gomez headbadge. (My favorite and keeps the monochrome look going.) No 
graphics by choice. Tweaking things here and there. Will try 
Bosco-bullmoose bars before I tape things up. Clamp-on stem shifters make 
that easy. Have a look:


 


 


 






 



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[RBW] Re: For trade or sale: Rivendell Frank Jones Sr 53cm

[Belopsky]

$2000 shipped.

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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Austin B.]

Beautiful bike! I've always like the green on the Hunq. I also have a Tubus 
Tara on my Sam--I wish the Riv forks had mounts in the right place to fit 
it without an adapter.

One build question--what is that bottle mount for on the downtube? Never 
seen anything like it.

And I see a ton of bikes in the background! Wish I had that kind of 
space...actually, it's probably better that I don't.

Austin


On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 11:28:47 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list member. 
>  I sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to this, a 
> Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has the Rosco 
> Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e5x4XoXgIKDqnGqL2
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: "Canti-Rom" Romulus 59, built for randonneuring

[Leslie]

Just a bump for a great bike...   I love my Ram and my Bomba, but I'll 
admit my canti-Rom catches most of my rides these days...   





On Monday, March 26, 2018 at 7:59:28 AM UTC-4, DMG wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Needing to part ways with my first run, Toyo-made Romulus, with lots of 
> practical upgrades and goodies. I'm in Washington DC and would love not to 
> ship. Official writeup:
>
> Early 2000s rare "canti-rom" classic lugged steel road bike that mixes 
> performance with comfort and practicality. It's got a lot of the higher-end 
> Riv components you'd expect, plus a Velo Orange Randonneur rack with 
> decaleur and Ostrich front bag, plus a B Luxos B headlight wired to a 
> DH-72/Open Pro front wheel and is ready for high speed night riding as well 
> as light touring. Frame is in good shape (no dents) but the paint has has a 
> definite patina -- all surface rust has been sanded and sealed with 
> clearcoat. Beausage galore! 
>
> Full build:
>
> Wrights vintage saddle on Kalloy seatpost
> Nitto Soba bars on Nitto stem; Ultegra headset
> Cane Creek SCR-5 levers on Tektro 720 brakes w/ Kool Stop pads
> Diacomp ENE shifters, 105 front, Ultegra rear derailleur
> Shimano compact double Ultegra crank with Willow chainrings; MKS Sylvan 
> Track pedals with double straps
> Velo-Orange Randonneur rack/decaleur; Ostrich randonneur bag
> Cateye water bottles
> Araya/105 rear wheel (matching front included) with 32mm Continental 
> Gatorskins 
> DH-72/Mavic Open Pro front wheel with Luxos B headlight (modified to be 
> fully waterproof, with cables hardwired to the circuitboard) attached with 
> VO light mount 
>
> Would like $1250. Please contact me at dmgdmg at gmail dot com with any 
> questions. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Baby Hauling

[Jonathan D.]

I second the Yepp Easy Fitt. It works great with a 55 Joe Appaloosa. I bought 
the rack to go with it. 

https://instagram.com/p/Bfmg9TnHCIP/

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[RBW] Re: Clem Baby Hauling

[David B]

I've used the Yepp Mini and currently using the Yepp Maxi Easyfit with a 
specific rack that has an Easyfit window. I spent a lot of time figuring 
out different attachment designs and ended up liking the Easyfit design the 
best - and it works great.
The rack it goes with is a beast! Steel tubing, and thick tubes at that. 
It's a Steco Power Safety Carrier - purchased from Holland Bike Shop.
Before that, I used a Yepp Mini. Our second son just turned 9 months and 
I'm considering just buying another Yepp Maxi setup and rear rack to go on 
my wife's Clementine, that way we'll have dedicated setups for either 
child. 

Photos here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BbC9N6IBisp/?taken-by=treetopgoods (second one 
in)
https://www.instagram.com/p/Baj5rBWBGPT/?taken-by=treetopgoods

No photos of the Yepp Mini, but with the Clem's higher headtube, it 
actually pushed the seat up and back further than I'd prefer when mounted 
on the quill stem. Might, just might, be ready to sell the Yepp Mini if 
anyone is interested.

David
River Grove, IL

On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 9:51:07 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
> I'd been contemplating all through fall/winter on how to best convert my 
> 65cm Clem H to a kid hauler come spring.  Well, spring has finally arrived 
> and our son hits 9 months soon.  Once the weather really breaks I hope to 
> get him out for some rides but until then I'm still working out some kinks.
>
> I initially narrowed down my selection to a Yepp Mini front seat to start 
> with and a rear rack for other cargo (alternatively Bobike, if I remember 
> correctly, but a LBS stocks Yepp and seemed a great choice after doing a 
> bit of researching and checking them out there in person.) 
>
> But then a friend recently gave me a Thule Ride-A-Long rear they had 
> received as a gift but didn't actually work with their existing bikes due 
> to frame design, fit, and cable routing so they found an alternate and had 
> this one sitting around unused.
>
> The Ride-A-Long looks like a terrific seat but turns out the wide spread 
> of the Clem H seatstays interferes with the "legs" of the seat (the 
> original fully socketed H seatlug... not sure if the new ball & socket and 
> Chev lugs now used on smaller Clems would cause the same issue since they 
> join the seatube with a narrower junction.)  The seat installs via two 
> parallel steel legs inserted into a locking base that clamps around the 
> seattube.  Turns out the width of the legs just isn't wide enough to clear 
> the Clem H stays.
>
> It installs fine on a couple other frames and I already test rode on my 
> single speed, just without the precious cargo in tow.  Cheapest and easiest 
> solution is just set one of those up in the interim but I guess this post 
> is meant as both a PSA for anyone considering the same seat and also 
> a query on how others have set their Clem up for baby hauling?
>
> I've previously discussed with and/or seen pics of some using a Yepp Maxi 
> rear with rack but wondering what else has worked well for others on a Clem?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Finished Hunqapillar Build

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Are those one of the WTB 47mm tires and if so, did you measure the 
stand-over?  I think I'm just on the cusp of fitting a 56 (versus a 53) 
Hunqapillar.  



On Friday, March 30, 2018 at 10:28:47 AM UTC-5, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list member. 
>  I sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to this, a 
> Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has the Rosco 
> Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e5x4XoXgIKDqnGqL2
>

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[RBW] Finished Hunqapillar Build

[Conway Bennett]

It's a gently used 56 cm 650b I picked up in  December from a list member.  I 
sold my Sam H. and a '93 XO-2 to fund the frameset.  I'm down to this, a 
Quickbeam and an'94 XO-3 and my Gary Fisher tandem.  My wife has the Rosco 
Bubbaloosa mixte.  Feel to ask build questions.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/e5x4XoXgIKDqnGqL2

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[RBW] Clem Baby Hauling

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I'd been contemplating all through fall/winter on how to best convert my 
65cm Clem H to a kid hauler come spring.  Well, spring has finally arrived 
and our son hits 9 months soon.  Once the weather really breaks I hope to 
get him out for some rides but until then I'm still working out some kinks.

I initially narrowed down my selection to a Yepp Mini front seat to start 
with and a rear rack for other cargo (alternatively Bobike, if I remember 
correctly, but a LBS stocks Yepp and seemed a great choice after doing a 
bit of researching and checking them out there in person.) 

But then a friend recently gave me a Thule Ride-A-Long rear they had 
received as a gift but didn't actually work with their existing bikes due 
to frame design, fit, and cable routing so they found an alternate and had 
this one sitting around unused.

The Ride-A-Long looks like a terrific seat but turns out the wide spread of 
the Clem H seatstays interferes with the "legs" of the seat (the 
original fully socketed H seatlug... not sure if the new ball & socket and 
Chev lugs now used on smaller Clems would cause the same issue since they 
join the seatube with a narrower junction.)  The seat installs via two 
parallel steel legs inserted into a locking base that clamps around the 
seattube.  Turns out the width of the legs just isn't wide enough to clear 
the Clem H stays.

It installs fine on a couple other frames and I already test rode on my 
single speed, just without the precious cargo in tow.  Cheapest and easiest 
solution is just set one of those up in the interim but I guess this post 
is meant as both a PSA for anyone considering the same seat and also 
a query on how others have set their Clem up for baby hauling?

I've previously discussed with and/or seen pics of some using a Yepp Maxi 
rear with rack but wondering what else has worked well for others on a Clem?

Thanks,
Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS: 52cm Rivendell Clem Smith Jr L

[Belopsky]

buy buy baby

On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 9:32:09 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Bump.
> Get your step-through new Atlantis here
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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Deacon Patrick]

A “duh!” correctly to my post. I obviously can’t use the same rear wheel for 
the Quickbeam (120mm) and Hunqabeam (135mm) rear spacing, so I’d have to choose 
one.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Who swaps out wheel sets to keep from buying new bikes?

[Surlyprof]

I consider my “n” to be one and two thirds which translates to a 2010 or 11 
orange Canti-Hillborne and a Brompton.  I also had a Soma Groove but had to 
give it up when I lost the storage space for 2 full size bikes.  I miss the 
dedicated mtb but have really maximized the versatility of the Hillborne by 
swapping between two wheelsets.  I keep 45c Smart Sams on the Mavic A719 36h 
wheelset for trail riding and Barlow Pass ELs on the lighter 32h Synergy 
wheelset for go-fastish riding.  Fenders have been off for over a year to avoid 
one additional step when swapping wheels.  Commuting usually happens on the 
Brompton and the train unless I have an early day planned and can ride the 
Hillborne the entire 20 miles home.  I change wheels out to fit my mood or the 
ride of the day.  CX50 brakes open wide enough to even free up the Smart Sams.  
Although I miss the Soma, it’s nice to have the space at home since my “extra 
bike” (ie: 2nd wheelset) can hang in a very small space.

Synergy with Barlow Pass:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/16372487184/in/dateposted-public

A719s with Smart Sams:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/19238298132/in/dateposted-public

John

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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD600 46-36-26 170mm & Shimano BB's

[RDS]

118mm bb sold.

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[RBW] Re: FS/T: Sackville SaddleSack Medium

[Dave Small]

Hi Max,

I have several Sackville bags in the color labelled "tan," and on my 
monitor this looks like the same color.  

Dave

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[RichS]

Patrick, I’m guessing those Schwalbe G-One tires are 35mm or maybe a 37 (which 
might be a stretch on the Roadeo).

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Ron Mc]

that bike would fit me, but I would have to lower the seat

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[RBW] Re: From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Austin B.]

Is it me, or does this frame seem too small for this setup? I wonder if Riv 
tried to talk this customer into a larger-framed AHH? 

It's just not a typical setup that comes out of Riv--bars below saddle, 
lots of seatpost showing, bars maxed out. Maybe they are just inserted at 
the extremes for the photoshoot. Maybe the customer just REALLY wanted a 
Roadeo (and who wouldn't?). 

That said, I'd love to drop the saddle to 82cm and test ride this beauty!

Austin
Sykesville, MD

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[RBW] Re: My one-year review of Cheviot

[Tim Bantham]

Hi Josette, Thanks for the informative review. I really love the Cheviot 
and hope to own one some day myself.. I think you are using the bike 
exactly as it was intended and I'm sure it will serve you well for the 
years to come. PS. Nice message on the "about you" section of your blog. 
These are things that I am currently working toward as well. 

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 11:25:24 AM UTC-4, Josette Akresh-Gonzales 
wrote:
>
> Hi Rivendell owners!
>
> I am writing to share a blog post I wrote about my Cheviot — impressions, 
> pictures, and stories from this past year commuting to work, running 
> errands, and going out with friends by bike. :)
>
>
> https://josette-the-voice-within.blogspot.com/2018/03/rivendell-cheviot-one-year-review.html
>
> All best,
> Josette
>

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[RBW] Re: From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Matt B.]

I'm pretty sure they don't insert the (new) seatpost fully in mockups such 
as these to avoid adding scratches prior to delivery to the owner.  The 
rider can then dial in their own seat height.

 

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:43:55 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> 64 cm Roadeo; that's c-c, right? And then add the four* fistfuls of 
> seatpost and the Technomic (I guess) stem that, even with all that quill, 
> leave the bar below saddle. All this is a runup to the:
>
> Question: how tall must Customer Jack be?
>
> Frankly, tho' I prefer drops to M bars, and tho i'd prefer a bigger ring 
> and smaller cogs, I'd ride that setup if it were about 6" smaller.
>
> *And*, the Blug speaks of "fattish" tires. I know that the size of the 
> bike makes the tires look narrower than if they were on a 51, but still, 
> those aren't fat even by my retrogrouchy standards. I'd guess 32 mm?
>
> * This is an instance of the rhetorical device the ancient Greeks named 
> "ὑπερβολή", huperbolay or, in modern English, hyperbole. 
>
> Patrick Moore, who wouldn't mind a much smaller Roadeo if it had drop bars 
> and a silver drivetrain.
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD600 46-36-26 170mm & Shimano BB's

[RDS]

113mm BB Sold

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 8:03:06 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> Like new Sugino XD600 46-36-26 crank.  170mm crank arm length.  The crank 
> was installed on an attempted bike build, but never used to ride.  So, it 
> was installed and uninstalled several times, but the bike never left the 
> stand.  A chain was installed a few times & pedalled enough to attempt FD & 
> RD adjustment.  It should be about as like new as you can get.  I purchased 
> from Universal Cycles in mid-March and paid $138.  I'll take $100 and I'll 
> pay the shipping to continental USA.
>
> I also have some Shimano UN55 bottom brackets in 110mm, 113mm, and 118mm.  
> All in really good shape.  I'll take $10 each w/ me paying shipping to 
> continental USA.  Like the crank, all of these have been installed, but 
> none of them have been ridden.
>
> Ship from Georgia.
>

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[RBW] From the Blug: Tall Roadeo

[Garth]

Center to top of the lug is how they are measured PM. When we grew up frames 
were always c-c. Many frame builders who have been around awhile still measure 
c-c though. I always thought c-t odd though since all the other tubes are 
measured c-c.  

It would great to try a tall Riv road frame to see how it compared with the 
typical stuff I grew up with, which always felt "top heavy", for lack of better 
term. The tall Roadeo "looks" like it would be no better, but that is just an 
assumption based on a photo and so doesn't matter. 

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