Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc wrote: > And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle > frames. > Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have learned a good deal,

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Don’t go thanking me! That will really divide the group. If this divides us then that is fine with me. I personally have no use to be united with someone who agrees with the policy of committing human rights violations. But that’s just me. And most people I know. -Justin, husband of a

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

my '57 Lenton frame was gun-metal blued in Nottingham before it was painted The point was to achieve that tight passive oxide layer and I still used frame saver inside the frame - it's not going to hurt anything. And having one data point is much less than the

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

Thanks, Reed. Whenever I've bought a new or used frame, unfettered with components, I've been sure to Framesave it. The thread a month ago made me question whether I needed to do that, and this clinches it. I'll stop wasting my time and money. I store my bikes inside a garage or house and

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

kind of reminds me of the crust pride on The CABE. They call it preserving the crust, but they're not preserving anything by leaving their bikes in that condition - they're farming the crust. If you spent much time on The CABE, you'll see many frames that have broken at corrosion pits.

[RBW] FS: Cherubim Sportif Frameset, Show Sample - 57x56c-c - $2,300 Shipped Conti USA

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[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

I personally have seen one steel frame fail from rust. It belonged to a Cat II racer from the Seattle area, so I assume she rode the bike without fenders rain or shine, regularly the latter. She replaced it with a titanium frame. Joe in GJT where we could really use some rust producing liquid

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

The way many on this list buy and sell bikes, framesaver seems kinda pointless!;^) Yeah, I feel like it's really not something that needs to be done, but if it makes you happy, and you want to buy some overpriced stuff in a can to spray into your frame, go for it! I ride 30-40-50 year old

[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

+1 for bolt cutters. quick and dirty On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 6:54:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote: > > How you do it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Apparently Trump can be a name-calling, classless, vulgar autocratic lunatic who abducts children, but I'm not allowed to be pissed off about it. I'm pissed off about it and if you disagree with me and support him, you're wrong. Get on the right side of history. -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Vulgar and classless? Apparently that’s a one-way street for some people. Philip Santa Rosa, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

Yep I'm in the SoBro Butler area. And Matt, I'm not sure if you were saying only Hilborne or only orange Hilborne, but I have a friend in Indy that has a black Hilborne. On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote: > > Matt and Bob, let's make a plan! Any other Indy rivs out

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

I have stashed away 3 pairs of Ibex and Kucharik wool shorts for that ever elusive >30 mile ride. Meanwhile, I'm happy in boxers and Rapha Randonee shorts and, for that matter, in boxers and cut off khakis. I gave up lycra shorts largely for reasons of comfort, not appearance -- I hated the

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

Thanks Justin! If not for your post, I would have missed Grant's blahg. This thread helped me learn a bunch of things about the issue. As a society we go no where by making noise only inside our echo chambers. Discussions that occur in diverse groups like this are very useful. On Tuesday,

[RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

While packing for a recent bike tour in Virginia, I threw in a pair of Ibex wool shorts because I couldn't find another pair of lycra shorts. When I finally got around to wearing them I was amazed at how comfortable they were even in 85-90 degree weather. Far more comfortable for long days in

Re: [RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

Which model? On 07/01/2018 06:20 PM, Fullylugged wrote: I do want to try a Rivet, just to see how they are. My next leather saddle will be one. -- Steve Palincsar Alexandria, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

I do want to try a Rivet, just to see how they are. My next leather saddle will be one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

Btw, an addendum to thoughts about the Crust and Clem as relates to a topic on the BOB: I only knew about these bikes for sale because James at Analog and Alex at Yellow Haus - both Riv dealers - posted them here. I didn't even know what a Lightning Bolt WAS 'til James showed it. So there's

Re: [RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

the concern is pitting, which is broad localized metal loss and reduces the load-bearing ability of the steel. It's never too late to treat unless the steel is compromised in critical areas. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

sprinted 7 mi in 91% RH this morning. Stopped for an iced latte on the way back. On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:13:40 PM UTC-5, Rod Holland wrote: > > H... 96degF, 50% humidity here in Eastern Massachusetts. Wool it is... > > rod > > On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:33:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

also worth noting, while the Rivet stretched appreciably at first, it stabilized over time, as promised by Debra. The SAX never quit stretching. On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > My first SAX after the first 7 miles > > > > stopped

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

My first SAX after the first 7 miles stopped at the Blue Star bike shop to borrow a tool On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote: > > Perhaps B17 is the wrong saddle for your riding position. Had that > discussion with someone this morning,

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

Perhaps B17 is the wrong saddle for your riding position. Had that discussion with someone this morning, and recommended Swallow. Good week for riding (finished up a big project at work), and finished 130 miles for the week this morning (and won the sprint, but only by passing Daniel at the

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

H... 96degF, 50% humidity here in Eastern Massachusetts. Wool it is... rod On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:33:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Icky! I like 5%. > > On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Belopsky > wrote: > >> Oh how nice it must be to be riding in 10% humidity. >> >> -- >>

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Christopher, I'm not going to have some weird, extended conversation with you in a thread that was buried a week ago until some divisive asshole revived it. It's Sunday. Go ride your bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

Who here is absolutely free of sin as to cast the first stone, against ANYONE, for ANY reason-excuse ? Oh ... an "eye for a eye" so says in a book a book ! ? "Evil must be destroyed " ? That's the absolute authority claimed evil itself is authority ? Did it ever occur to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Then again, as humans, we evolved a facility for quick pattern matching. Not neccessarily accurate, but quick... rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Joe, Why are you at the center of every divisive, name calling thread? Have you noticed the pattern? I have. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

My thoughts are "Richard" - whoever that is - revived this thread a week after it died to be divisive. You don't have to ECHO MY THOUGHTS, but nothing in your post contradicts them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

This goes to show there's a Dick in every crowd .. KJ On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:59:48 AM UTC-7, Richard wrote: > > Viva De Niro!!?? > > Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless > attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm >

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

DEFINITELY NOT echoing Joe’s thoughts here. If you’ve been around long enough then you know Grant well enough to know he isn’t trying to be divisive. Caring about people and families is always a noble thing, right? In regards to this issue, I suspect there are more varied opinions amongst this

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

A friendly reminder: Don't feed the trolls. On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-5, Richard wrote: > > Viva De Niro!!?? > > Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless > attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm > free to shop

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Toodles. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Alex Wirth Rochester, NY -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

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Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Viva De Niro!!?? Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm free to shop elsewhere. My values and beliefs aren't welcome at Rivendell, so in the future, I'll spend my money elsewhere. No

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

"You’re probably the only guy in the world who’s owned all three." True, I didn't think of that! I had a bronzey green Clem L which I sold after ordering the Cheviot cuz who needs two step-throughs then I got the mustard H cuz I always wanted it and this all makes sense right? ;-) Lightning

Re: [RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

Thanks Reed. I'm in the same boat--I rarely frame saver my frames, and now I'll happily transition from "rarely" to "never." Eric On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote: > We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar > products, and how important they are.

[RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at least some photos! https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5 This is a

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

Jandrews, Here is a photo of the current build. https://flic.kr/p/22Qovsd Edwin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Echoing Joe's thoughts here. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

Hi Edwin, do you happen to have any photos of your App with the 60mm stainless Berthoud fenders? Is your frame a 55cm? JS On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote: > > I’ve got the wide Berthoud ones. 60mm? > > They are great and fit really well. > > Edwin -- You

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

I just did my usual eyeball method. Put the chain in a couple different gears and see what it looks like. Had a funny moment when I first put the chain on. I hadn't worked with 10 speed before and when the chain was 8 inches too short I looked at the package and it said 10s and I thought it was

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

You revived this thread just to be a divisive prick. Thanks, random anonymous asshole. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

I agree with everyone, that bike looks perfect. So sick! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Same here! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Patrick Moore wrote: > > That remark is mean spirited and certainly not one that I associate myself > with in any way. > > Patrick Moore > iPhone > >> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:55 AM, Richard wrote: >> >> Thanks Grant, good job at

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

This method works very well. Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

That remark is mean spirited and certainly not one that I associate myself with in any way. Patrick Moore iPhone > On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:55 AM, Richard wrote: > > Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us. > > > >> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: >> I agree.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Having people in the same place with different viewpoints on topics (greasing square tapers anyone?) doesn’t count as division unless we agree to be excessively fragile in our collective worldview. I, for one, can take it. It’s a bit of a shocker, but I’ve come to understand that good people can

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

Straight from Sheldon Brown. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us. On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote: > > I agree. Even the "Other annoying threads" thread has become annoyingly > earnest. > > In general, we are all much more intelligent when talking about bikes. > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

Ok. I want a report on differences between the lightning bolt, cheviot and Clem (didn’t you already have a mustard Clem?) in non e bike modes. You’re probably the only guy in the world who’s owned all three. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW