Re: [RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Reed Kennedy]

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 8:07 PM Ron Mc  wrote:

> And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle
> frames.
>
Hey Ron, thank you for your thoughtful, educated, and thorough posts on
this topic. I, for one, have tremendously enjoyed reading them and have
learned a good deal, specifically about the differences between various
types of steel oxidation.

I didn't mean to imply that these pictures are proof that protecting the
inside of a bicycle's frame tubes from corrosion is never worthwhile under
any circumstances. I don't believe that. That's why I was careful to learn
as much of the history of the frame pictured as I could, and to spell it
all out in my post.

Personally, before I cut up this frame I had zero data points. I figure
many folks on the forum are in a similar position. Now we have one data
point. I hope that's better? And not just enough knowledge to be dangerous.

Myself, I live in the same place this frame was ridden. So the information
is especially helpful to me. The question in my mind was whether I should
disassemble a bike I bought new for $1,200 just to apply Frame Saver. I
don't think I will. On the other hand, next time I take it apart for some
other reason I will go ahead and treat it.

For me, protecting the inside of the tubes from rust isn't a "do" or
"don't" question. It's a "rush" or "do when convenient" question.

I figure I can hold off until I wear out the headset and bottom bracket,
and do it then. There's so little downside! And I like the idea that others
will enjoy these bicycles well past my own time here.


Best,
Reed

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Justin, Oakland]

Don’t go thanking me! That will really divide the group. 

If this divides us then that is fine with me. I personally have no use to be 
united with someone who agrees with the policy of committing human rights 
violations. 

But that’s just me. And most people I know. 

-Justin, husband of a product of refugees. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Ron Mc]

my '57 Lenton frame was gun-metal blued in Nottingham before it was painted
The point was to achieve that tight passive oxide layer



and I still used frame saver inside the frame - it's not going to hurt 
anything.  

And having one data point is much less than the population of bicycle 
frames.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Dave Small]

Thanks, Reed.  Whenever I've bought a new or used frame, unfettered with 
components, I've been sure to Framesave it.  The thread a month ago made me 
question whether I needed to do that, and this clinches it.  I'll stop 
wasting my time and money.  I store my bikes inside a garage or house and 
take good care of them, and won't live long enough for rust to become an 
issue.  

Dave

>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Ron Mc]

kind of reminds me of the crust pride on The CABE.  They call it preserving 
the crust, but they're not preserving anything by leaving their bikes in 
that condition - they're farming the crust.  
If you spent much time on The CABE, you'll see many frames that have broken 
at corrosion pits.  

The point of corrosion inhibition is stop the process where it's at.  You 
don't know the history of every frame you buy, but if you use this type of 
product inside the frame and store it indoors, it will last.  
If it's actively corroding and you expose it to a continued humid 
environment, it's going to keep corroding until something breaks.  

If salt is involved, the reaction of moisture and air with the 
chloride-bearing corrosion product frees hydrochloric acid to attack deeper 
into the metal.  
Passive oxide forms a tight barrier at the metal interface on the atomic 
layer that impedes diffusion of iron ions away from the metal interface, 
and diffusion of oxygen to the metal interface.  
Red rust is not the same as passive iron oxide.  Red rust is iron oxide 
with chemically bonded waters of hydration.  Red rust is 
crystallographically out of phase with the metal grains at the interface, 
preventing it from being a passive layer.  Red rust is porous, lets water 
and air through to the active metal surface, and outward diffusion metal 
ions oxidize to their ground state away from the metal interface, leaving 
an active corrosion zone at the metal interface.  

At the very least, corrosion inhibition products chemically dehydrate the 
rust and provide a synthetic barrier to ion diffusion, ultimately helping 
the metal to form its own passive oxide layer.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] FS: Cherubim Sportif Frameset, Show Sample - 57x56c-c - $2,300 Shipped Conti USA

[Joe Bernard]

Holy crap that's beautiful!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I personally have seen one steel frame fail from rust. It belonged to a Cat 
II racer from the Seattle area, so I assume she rode the bike without 
fenders rain or shine, regularly the latter. She replaced it with a 
titanium frame.

Joe in GJT where we could really use some rust producing liquid falling 
from the sky right about now

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 11:35:07 AM UTC-6, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar 
> products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an 
> unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at 
> least some photos!
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5
>
> This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE 
> 4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar 
> these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative. 
>
> The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was 
> ridden on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in 
> California. Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly 
> humid, moderate temperatures, some salt in the air.
>
> I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year 
> and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now. 
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The way many on this list buy and sell bikes, framesaver seems kinda 
pointless!;^)

Yeah, I feel like it's really not something that needs to be done, but if 
it makes you happy, and you want to buy some overpriced stuff in a can to 
spray into your frame, go for it! I ride 30-40-50 year old steel frames 
that I'm pretty sure were never treated. I don't expect them to fall apart 
in my lifetime. Maybe I'll be wrong! 

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 1:35:07 PM UTC-4, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar 
> products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an 
> unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at 
> least some photos!
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5
>
> This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE 
> 4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar 
> these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative. 
>
> The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was 
> ridden on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in 
> California. Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly 
> humid, moderate temperatures, some salt in the air.
>
> I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year 
> and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now. 
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Cutting rack struts without a vice

[adam leibow]

+1 for bolt cutters. quick and dirty

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 6:54:53 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> How you do it?

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Apparently Trump can be a name-calling, classless, vulgar autocratic lunatic 
who abducts children, but I'm not allowed to be pissed off about it. I'm pissed 
off about it and if you disagree with me and support him, you're wrong. Get on 
the right side of history.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Philip Williamson]

Vulgar and classless?
Apparently that’s a one-way street for some people.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Yep I'm in the SoBro Butler area. And Matt, I'm not sure if you were saying 
only Hilborne or only orange Hilborne, but I have a friend in Indy that has 
a black Hilborne.

On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 1:30:26 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:
>
> Matt and Bob, let's make a plan! Any other Indy rivs out there? Virgil?
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Patrick Moore]

I have stashed away 3 pairs of Ibex and Kucharik wool shorts for that ever
elusive >30 mile ride. Meanwhile, I'm happy in boxers and Rapha Randonee
shorts and, for that matter, in boxers and cut off khakis.

I gave up lycra shorts largely for reasons of comfort, not appearance -- I
hated the bulky, awkward diapers, the tight clingy fit, and the clamminess
when you cool down. Worse, for me, than synthetic jerseys.

I've been wearing synthetic summer jerseys on my last few rides, temps a
bit lower (mid 90s) and humidity a bit higher (~12%) and I have to say that
the Sugoi merino, mid weight and not lightweight, is just as comfortable.
Start clean with alcohol or vinegar in your armpits, and they don't even
stink horribly after the initial ride.

I have 2 bought-used Rivendell lightweight merino jerseys that IMO are the
ideal summer jersey; my only complaints, and these relate to my
sensibilities only, and not generally, is that they are somewhat too large
and, 2, that they tend to sag with any weight in the rear, so that your
iPhone and keys end up just above the backs of your knees. This may be why
Sugoi put a silly little right-side slit pocket on the midweight merinos I
have made by them, and not the usual, useful rear pockets. I have to say
that the 2 retro, non-merino ss wool jerseys I also have don't sag like
this -- and they are not nearly as comfortable in hot weather, either.

Next question: On the ethics of wearing bright, rayon Hawaiian shirts with
black cycling bottoms. Was tempted this morning, for church wear with my
"Rock Bros" lightweight long cycling pants, but went with the jersey. (The
RB pants, with zip ankles, fold up very nicely to above-knee hight for
actual riding, and fold down just as nicely for ecclesiastical decorum.)

You are *not* obliged to answer.

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 4:27 PM, Richard  wrote:

> While packing for a recent bike tour in Virginia, I threw in a pair of
> Ibex wool shorts because I couldn't find another pair of lycra shorts. When
> I finally got around to wearing them I was amazed at how comfortable they
> were even in 85-90 degree weather. Far more comfortable for long days in
> the saddle than synthetics.
>
> On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 12:09:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> It was 101 or so when I left for a church building committee meeting at
>> 5:30 pm, wearing a nice merino Sugino jersey. Humidity was well below 10%,
>> probably close to 5%.
>>
>> Soft merino, even if not particularly thin, works very well in such hot,
>> dry climates; as comfortable as the synthetics I have, though I daresay
>> these would be more comfortable when the humidity got much above 20%.
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who took the long way in, and the shorter way home at 9:30
>> with an almost full moon.
>>
>> FWIW.
>>
>> --
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> 
>> 
>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>



-- 
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
Other professional writing services.
http://www.resumespecialties.com/
Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
**
**
*Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[Ash]

Thanks Justin!  If not for your post, I would have missed Grant's blahg. 
 This thread helped me learn a bunch of things about the issue.

As a society we go no where by making noise only inside our echo chambers. 
 Discussions that occur in diverse groups like this are very useful.


On Tuesday, 19 June 2018 20:07:07 UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Glad to see you voice your opinion on the Blahg/Blug/whatever it was. 
>
> -Justin
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Richard]

While packing for a recent bike tour in Virginia, I threw in a pair of Ibex 
wool shorts because I couldn't find another pair of lycra shorts. When I 
finally got around to wearing them I was amazed at how comfortable they 
were even in 85-90 degree weather. Far more comfortable for long days in 
the saddle than synthetics. 

On Wednesday, June 27, 2018 at 12:09:41 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> It was 101 or so when I left for a church building committee meeting at 
> 5:30 pm, wearing a nice merino Sugino jersey. Humidity was well below 10%, 
> probably close to 5%.
>
> Soft merino, even if not particularly thin, works very well in such hot, 
> dry climates; as comfortable as the synthetics I have, though I daresay 
> these would be more comfortable when the humidity got much above 20%.
>
> Patrick Moore, who took the long way in, and the shorter way home at 9:30 
> with an almost full moon.
>
> FWIW.
>
> -- 
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
> **
> **
> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

Which model?


On 07/01/2018 06:20 PM, Fullylugged wrote:

I do want to try a Rivet, just to see how they are.  My next leather saddle 
will be one.



--
Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Fullylugged]

I do want to try a Rivet, just to see how they are.  My next leather saddle 
will be one.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, an addendum to thoughts about the Crust and Clem as relates to a topic on 
the BOB: I only knew about these bikes for sale because James at Analog and 
Alex at Yellow Haus - both Riv dealers - posted them here. I didn't even know 
what a Lightning Bolt WAS 'til James showed it. So there's that. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Ron Mc]

the concern is pitting, which is broad localized metal loss and reduces the 
load-bearing ability of the steel.  
It's never too late to treat unless the steel is compromised in critical 
areas.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Ron Mc]

sprinted 7 mi in 91% RH this morning.  
Stopped for an iced latte on the way back.  

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 2:13:40 PM UTC-5, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> H... 96degF, 50% humidity here in Eastern Massachusetts. Wool it is...
>
> rod
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:33:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Icky! I like 5%.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>>> Oh how nice it must be to be riding in 10% humidity.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google 
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send 
>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> *
>> ***
>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Ron Mc]

also worth noting, while the Rivet stretched appreciably at first, it 
stabilized over time, as promised by Debra.  The SAX never quit 
stretching.  

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:54:30 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> My first SAX after the first 7 miles
>
> 
>
> stopped at the Blue Star bike shop to borrow a tool
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps B17 is the wrong saddle for your riding position.  Had that 
>> discussion with someone this morning, and recommended Swallow.  
>>
>> Good week for riding (finished up a big project at work), and finished 
>> 130 miles for the week this morning (and won the sprint, but only by 
>> passing Daniel at the last traffic signal - he should have had me by a 
>> block - 4 of us in the lead group were 3 minutes ahead of the next group).
>> Brutal sun this afternoon, and a good afternoon for an indoor project.
>>
>> My highest-mileage Brooks was showing front frame through the leather, 
>> and needed a rare stretch bolt tighten (quarter-turn).
>> Expected, and accumulated stretch from this summer's sweat.
>> So I laced it this afternoon to get that last 5000 or so miles before I 
>> replace it with the new (closeout) saddle I have stashed - it's essentially 
>> back to new shape, with just a little pucker around the rivets.
>>
>> 
>> This isn't a good back-lit photo, with the exception it shows the smooth 
>> lift you get in place of a center ridge when you lace a stretched Brooks.
>> and yes, I cut my finger with the leather awl (nothing bad)
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5, Mushroom Man wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree with Fullylugged, comfy from day 1. I prefer it over my Brooks 
>>> but perhaps the B17 just needs to be broken in more. The Anatomica does 
>>> seem to sag easily, the Brooks feels more sturdy. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:

 Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
 Like it?
 Compared to Brooks?
>>>
>>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Ron Mc]

My first SAX after the first 7 miles



stopped at the Blue Star bike shop to borrow a tool


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 3:48:55 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Perhaps B17 is the wrong saddle for your riding position.  Had that 
> discussion with someone this morning, and recommended Swallow.  
>
> Good week for riding (finished up a big project at work), and finished 130 
> miles for the week this morning (and won the sprint, but only by passing 
> Daniel at the last traffic signal - he should have had me by a block - 4 of 
> us in the lead group were 3 minutes ahead of the next group).
> Brutal sun this afternoon, and a good afternoon for an indoor project.
>
> My highest-mileage Brooks was showing front frame through the leather, and 
> needed a rare stretch bolt tighten (quarter-turn).
> Expected, and accumulated stretch from this summer's sweat.
> So I laced it this afternoon to get that last 5000 or so miles before I 
> replace it with the new (closeout) saddle I have stashed - it's essentially 
> back to new shape, with just a little pucker around the rivets.
>
> 
> This isn't a good back-lit photo, with the exception it shows the smooth 
> lift you get in place of a center ridge when you lace a stretched Brooks.
> and yes, I cut my finger with the leather awl (nothing bad)
>
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5, Mushroom Man wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Fullylugged, comfy from day 1. I prefer it over my Brooks 
>> but perhaps the B17 just needs to be broken in more. The Anatomica does 
>> seem to sag easily, the Brooks feels more sturdy. 
>>
>> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
>>> Like it?
>>> Compared to Brooks?
>>
>>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Selle Anatomica X series saddles

[Ron Mc]

Perhaps B17 is the wrong saddle for your riding position.  Had that 
discussion with someone this morning, and recommended Swallow.  

Good week for riding (finished up a big project at work), and finished 130 
miles for the week this morning (and won the sprint, but only by passing 
Daniel at the last traffic signal - he should have had me by a block - 4 of 
us in the lead group were 3 minutes ahead of the next group).
Brutal sun this afternoon, and a good afternoon for an indoor project.

My highest-mileage Brooks was showing front frame through the leather, and 
needed a rare stretch bolt tighten (quarter-turn).
Expected, and accumulated stretch from this summer's sweat.
So I laced it this afternoon to get that last 5000 or so miles before I 
replace it with the new (closeout) saddle I have stashed - it's essentially 
back to new shape, with just a little pucker around the rivets.


This isn't a good back-lit photo, with the exception it shows the smooth 
lift you get in place of a center ridge when you lace a stretched Brooks.
and yes, I cut my finger with the leather awl (nothing bad)


On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 6:43:21 PM UTC-5, Mushroom Man wrote:
>
> I agree with Fullylugged, comfy from day 1. I prefer it over my Brooks but 
> perhaps the B17 just needs to be broken in more. The Anatomica does seem to 
> sag easily, the Brooks feels more sturdy. 
>
> On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have anything to say about theirs?
>> Like it?
>> Compared to Brooks?
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: Wool at 100*+

[Rod Holland]

H... 96degF, 50% humidity here in Eastern Massachusetts. Wool it is...

rod

On Saturday, June 30, 2018 at 1:33:46 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Icky! I like 5%.
>
> On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 11:30 AM, Belopsky  > wrote:
>
>> Oh how nice it must be to be riding in 10% humidity.
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
> **
> **
> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Christopher, I'm not going to have some weird, extended conversation with you 
in a thread that was buried a week ago until some divisive asshole revived it. 
It's Sunday. Go ride your bike. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[Garth]

  Who here is absolutely free of sin as to cast the first stone, against 
ANYONE, for ANY reason-excuse ? 

 
Oh ... an "eye for a eye" so says in a book  a book ! ?  "Evil must 
be destroyed " ?  That's the absolute authority claimed  evil itself is 
authority ?

Did it ever occur to anyone that "fighting evil with evil" is exactly what 
evil is ? 

So is this place full of liars thieves and nefarious characters ?

No, not at all. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Rod Holland]

Then again, as humans, we evolved a facility for quick pattern matching. Not 
neccessarily accurate, but quick...

rod

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Christopher Murray]

Joe,

Why are you at the center of every divisive, name calling thread? Have you 
noticed the pattern? I have. 

Chris

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

My thoughts are "Richard" - whoever that is - revived this thread a week after 
it died to be divisive. You don't have to ECHO MY THOUGHTS, but nothing in your 
post contradicts them. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Kieran J]

This goes to show there's a Dick in every crowd ..

KJ


On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 10:59:48 AM UTC-7, Richard wrote:
>
> Viva De Niro!!??
>
> Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless 
> attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm 
> free to shop elsewhere.
>
> My values and beliefs aren't welcome at Rivendell, so in the future, I'll 
> spend my money elsewhere. No big deal.
> To be honest Grant lost me years ago with the double top tube thing:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Echoing Joe's thoughts here.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Christopher Murray]

DEFINITELY NOT echoing Joe’s thoughts here. If you’ve been around long enough 
then you know Grant well enough to know he isn’t trying to be divisive. Caring 
about people and families is always a noble thing, right? In regards to this 
issue, I suspect there are more varied opinions amongst this group than the 
loudest (and crudest) voices would suggest. Voiceing our opinions and talking 
about them is not divisive. Name calling? Intolerance? Self-righteousness? 
Refusing to support a bicycle company because the owner expressed a different 
opinion than yours? These things are divisive and we’d be better as a community 
with less of them rather than more. 

I bet if you emailed Grant he’d respond. Because that’s what adults do: listen 
to each other and treat others with respect. 

Chris

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Nick Ybarra]

A friendly reminder:  Don't feed the trolls.

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:59:48 PM UTC-5, Richard wrote:
>
> Viva De Niro!!??
>
> Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless 
> attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm 
> free to shop elsewhere.
>
> My values and beliefs aren't welcome at Rivendell, so in the future, I'll 
> spend my money elsewhere. No big deal.
> To be honest Grant lost me years ago with the double top tube thing:)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>>
>> Echoing Joe's thoughts here.
>
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Toodles.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

Bye!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

Viva De Niro!!??

Apparently Grant is in full agreement with De Niro's vulgar, classless 
attack on the president. That's fine, he's entitled to his opinion. Me, I'm 
free to shop elsewhere.

My values and beliefs aren't welcome at Rivendell, so in the future, I'll 
spend my money elsewhere. No big deal.
To be honest Grant lost me years ago with the double top tube thing:)












On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 12:11:24 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
>
> Echoing Joe's thoughts here.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Joe Bernard]

"You’re probably the only guy in the world who’s owned all three."

True, I didn't think of that! I had a bronzey green Clem L which I sold after 
ordering the Cheviot cuz who needs two step-throughs then I got the mustard H 
cuz I always wanted it and this all makes sense right? ;-)

Lightning Bolt: This is the proverbial 'fast bike, slow rider' situation. The 
low-trail steering was an acquired taste for me..it steers a bit like a folding 
bike or recumbent, which took my brain a while to accept because it doesn't 
LOOK like it should. It's very maneuverable and fun, not a bike I think of for 
just going for a cruise. It has a "let's go!" attitude, and the big brakes and 
tires accentuate this by making you feel you can ride over anything, then stop 
on a dime from ridiculous speeds. Hence why it works for me as an ebike. 

Cheviot: A road/country bike; lovely thin lugged tubes, gorgeous paint with 
creamy panels; the way the bike looks and rides makes me wonder why - outside 
of racing - we ever needed "high-bar bikes" instead of mixtes. If we'd started 
here everybody would ride them now.  

Clem H: It's what Grant thinks it is, a mountain bike. Big-ole tubes, long 
stays, long cockpit. With Boscos it feels like that old Schwinn ballon-tire 
cruiser you had as a kid, but lighter, better handling, and with real gears and 
brakes. Clem is your bombproof post-apocalypse dystopia bike, it will ride over 
or through anything. Everyone should have one. 

I like them all!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Eric Daume]

Thanks Reed. I'm in the same boat--I rarely frame saver my frames, and now
I'll happily transition from "rarely" to "never."

Eric

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar
> products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an
> unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at
> least some photos!
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5
>
> This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE
> 4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar
> these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative.
>
> The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was
> ridden on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in
> California. Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly
> humid, moderate temperatures, some salt in the air.
>
> I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year
> and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

[Reed Kennedy]

We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar
products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an
unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at
least some photos!
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5

This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE
4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar
these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative.

The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was ridden
on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in California.
Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly humid, moderate
temperatures, some salt in the air.

I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year
and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now.


Best,
Reed

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

[Edwin W]

Jandrews,

Here is a photo of the current build. 
https://flic.kr/p/22Qovsd

Edwin

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Echoing Joe's thoughts here.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Appaloosa Fender Options

[jandrews]

Hi Edwin, do you happen to have any photos of your App with the 60mm 
stainless Berthoud fenders?  Is your frame a 55cm?
JS



On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 10:27:04 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I’ve got the wide Berthoud ones. 60mm? 
>
> They are great and fit really well. 
>
> Edwin

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

[ctifusion]

I just did my usual eyeball method. Put the chain in a couple different gears 
and see what it looks like. Had a funny moment when I first put the chain on. I 
hadn't worked with 10 speed before and when the chain was 8 inches too short I 
looked at the package and it said 10s and I thought it was a short chain. So I 
called my shop and they noted the link number and said it was the longest chain 
available. 

Trip back to LBS for another chain.

Brynnar 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Joe Bernard]

You revived this thread just to be a divisive prick. Thanks, random anonymous 
asshole.  

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Re: 59cm MIT Atlantis build and (short) ride report

[Timothy Hurley]

I agree with everyone, that bike looks perfect. So sick!

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[R Shannon]

Same here!


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> That remark is mean spirited and certainly not one that I associate myself 
> with in any way.
> 
> Patrick Moore
> iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:55 AM, Richard  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>> I agree. Even the "Other annoying threads" thread has become annoyingly 
>>> earnest.
>>> 
>>> In general, we are all much more intelligent when talking about bikes.
>>> 
 On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
 Sigh. This thread wasn’t political, until it was.
 
 As I read it, all people posting here are for basic human rights. Not all 
 people agree on who, what, where, when, or how. This disagreement in no 
 way negates their support of human rights. Please, stop with the abundant 
 falsifies of logic, judgements, and accusations.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
 -- 
 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
 "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
 To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
 email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
 To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
 Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
 For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>>> Other professional writing services.
>>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>>> 
>>> Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?
>> 
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google 
> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit 
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/o8bBoIpZknI/unsubscribe.
> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to 
> rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

This method works very well.
Jon

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Patrick Moore]

That remark is mean spirited and certainly not one that I associate myself with 
in any way.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2018, at 5:55 AM, Richard  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> I agree. Even the "Other annoying threads" thread has become annoyingly 
>> earnest.
>> 
>> In general, we are all much more intelligent when talking about bikes.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>> Sigh. This thread wasn’t political, until it was.
>>> 
>>> As I read it, all people posting here are for basic human rights. Not all 
>>> people agree on who, what, where, when, or how. This disagreement in no way 
>>> negates their support of human rights. Please, stop with the abundant 
>>> falsifies of logic, judgements, and accusations.
>>> 
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> 
>> Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?
> 
> -- 
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[hugh flynn]

Having people in the same place with different viewpoints on topics
(greasing square tapers anyone?) doesn’t count as division unless we agree
to be excessively fragile in our collective worldview. I, for one, can take
it. It’s a bit of a shocker, but I’ve come to understand that good people
can view things differently than I do and still be good people.

Discussion is boring and if we believe that holding a different opinion
that the “group” is somehow bad. Welcome to life. It’s not a matter of
cultivating a fragile and artificial hegemony, it’s about understanding how
to listen to, learn from, and respect people who aren’t 100% like ourselves
in all aspects.

So, yes, thanks Grant!

Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 7:56 AM Richard  wrote:

> Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I agree. Even the "Other annoying threads" thread has become annoyingly
>> earnest.
>>
>> In general, we are all much more intelligent when talking about bikes.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Deacon Patrick 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh. This thread wasn’t political, until it was.
>>>
>>> As I read it, all people posting here are for basic human rights. Not
>>> all people agree on who, what, where, when, or how. This disagreement in no
>>> way negates their support of human rights. Please, stop with the abundant
>>> falsifies of logic, judgements, and accusations.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>
>>> --
>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>>>
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
>>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com.
>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com.
>>
>>
>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>>
>> --
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
>> Other professional writing services.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>> *
>> ***
>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>
> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>
-- 
Hugh Flynn
Newburyport, MA

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[RBW] Chain length for long board frames

[Lester Lammers]

Straight from Sheldon Brown.

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.


Chain Length.docx
Description: MS-Word 2007 document

Re: [RBW] Thanks Grant

[Richard]

Thanks Grant, good job at dividing us.



On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 1:06:04 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I agree. Even the "Other annoying threads" thread has become annoyingly 
> earnest.
>
> In general, we are all much more intelligent when talking about bikes.
>
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:59 AM, Deacon Patrick  > wrote:
>
>> Sigh. This thread wasn’t political, until it was.
>>
>> As I read it, all people posting here are for basic human rights. Not all 
>> people agree on who, what, where, when, or how. This disagreement in no way 
>> negates their support of human rights. Please, stop with the abundant 
>> falsifies of logic, judgements, and accusations.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> -- 
>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups 
>> "RBW Owners Bunch" group.
>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an 
>> email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com .
>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> .
>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews.
> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
> Other professional writing services.
> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, New Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
> **
> **
> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

Re: [RBW] Re: I got a new Clem!

[Drw]

Ok. I want a report on differences between the lightning bolt, cheviot and Clem 
(didn’t you already have a mustard Clem?) in non e bike modes. You’re probably 
the only guy in the world who’s owned all three. 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW 
Owners Bunch" group.
To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email 
to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.
To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.
Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.
For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.