[RBW] FS- Oveja Negra Gearjammer seatbag medium black

[Bruce Smitham]

Sold 

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[maxcr]

Wow, that is sublime. What a trip and what an inspiring report!

I hope to go there one day.

Max

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[RBW] Re: FS: Mtn Mixte 54.5 Frame; Nitto Stem; Bosco Bullmoose Bars; Bosco Bars; Microshift 9 Spd Shifters

[RDS]

Nitto Stem, Microshift Shifters, Bosco Bars SOLD.

Remaining:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DlLz6eIBrsRQm7MIONIFo9CTxlHoFk9g
>
> Contact me off list if interested.  Paypal friends and family unless we 
> agree to other arrangements.
>
> *Bosco Bullmoose* - $110 shipped to USA
>
> *Rosco Bubbe Frame* (frame/fork/headset/BB) - $450 + 
> BikeFlights/ShipBikes to USA
>
> I bought it off the RBW list back in March of this year.  I had it built 
> up by REI.  Less than 2 miles ridden.  REI installed a wider BB, so I will 
> include both of the BB's.  I attempted to touch up a couple of the paint 
> chips and as you can see my color matching skills are lacking.  There are 
> some paint chips that I left alone.  Hopefully most of the paint chips will 
> show in the pics.  I paid $550 plus shipping.  Other than being built up, 
> the bike should be in similar condition from when I rec'd it.  Below is 
> "some" of the text from the ad when I bought it as it explains it better 
> than I ever could.  :
>
> "This step thru is from the original Bubbe run with the 54.5cm seat tube, 
> *not* the more recent run of Jumbo step thrus. Includes headset, bottom 
> bracket, seat post, and two cable guides (not pictured).  Sizing is similar 
> to a 55cm Cheviot with a rough PBH range of 78cm to 86cm.  Some build 
> notes: fits 650b wheels with up to 2.2" tires; 135mm sliding rear dropouts; 
> and V-brakes/cantilever posts.  The frame is in good shape but there are a 
> handful of things that don't fall under normal wear-and-tear:
> Large chip off the top tube (Don't really know how that got there. It's 
> cosmetic not structural).  Some paint wear around the seat tube where the 
> cable guides were mounted.  Seat tube decal has some wear. "
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[John Rinker]

Deacon,

The 'Purple' deer are a kind of musk deer and are prevalent in the 
Himalayas. They just cruise the rocky slopes in search of food. Why the 
locals call them 'Purple deer' remains a mystery to me. Perhaps in 
reference to the color of the bruise one would receive after being hit by a 
rock dislodged by a grazing musk deer?

Cheers, John

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:38:42 PM UTC+5:45, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Amazing photos and journey, John. Thank you. Did you ever suss out what 
> the purple bears or deer were up to?
>
> Some of the most challenging ridable riding I've encountered is very 
> narrow trail traversing long, steep slopes. How much is my vertigo I don't 
> know, but I find depth difficult to discern on them, an they are hypnotic, 
> making the little shifts and turns seem straight and vice-versa, then 
> pedaling up them, when very narrow, requires riding the outer edge of the 
> trail, with a scree drop-off waiting if I mess up. I saw some slopes in 
> your photos are on a completely different scale than the ones I've ridden. 
> Amazing! And that mud! Yowza! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB parts for my newish Sam Hillborne

[mikel66...@juno.com]

dave, i have a nice Shimano RSX 170 110bdc crank with 46/36/26 rings. i have 
many other rings and may have a 42 to substitute $38 shipped mike goldmanrhode 
island

Drink 1 Cup Before Bed, Watch Your Body Fat Melt Like Crazy
mayserve-magestor.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5cc8fe5f1314d7e5e0f42st02duc

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[RBW] Hiluki vintage ??

[Pondero]

I had one of those, and my flickr photo album dates back to 2010.  So that is 
my guess.

https://flic.kr/p/7kFCdp

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: WTB parts for my newish Sam Hillborne

[jandrews]

Hi Dave
I have a quality wheel set that may be right for you.
It came from Rivendell on my complete Sam Hillborne that I bought new in 
2009.
It saw about a year of use before I purchased a dynohub wheelset and 
they've had very light use since then.

700c Silver Velocity "Synergy" rims with the O/C (off-center) rear., 32 
Hole (I think) and Deore Hubs (They may be Deore "LX", I can't remember, 
I'll check in the morning) 

I don't think they were built by Rivendell but rather were stock wheels 
from Velocity that Riv adjusted and sold on the Sam...I could be wrong 
about that and they could be Riv built, but I suspect not.

I would sell them for $100ea. so $200 for the set. plus shipping.  I could 
probably arrange reasonable shipping and I may even have a wheel box.
let me know if you're interested
Jason 




On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 8:56:25 PM UTC-4, Dave Redmon wrote:
>
> Greetings, RBW list members-- 
>
> I’m needing some components for my almost new 55cm Sam Hillborne 
> frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket. My preference is silver, not black. I’m 
> 75 and on retirement income, so I’m limited to good quality used parts 
> whenever that makes better sense. In general, Shimano will do just fine. As 
> an un-racer and under-biker for most of my life, on a good day I can still 
> ride 40 to 60 miles. In general, I ride 80% paved, 20% gravel and dirt. I’m 
> a slow but persistent rider who’s enjoyed four Bridgestone bicycles over 
> the past 25 years—including a 1994 RB-T that I still prize.  My wife has a 
> 52 cm Clem L which we acquired from a friend last fall.  Shortly, I hope, 
> we’ll be adding a Rivendell Sam!   
>
> I have a number of parts on hand, but here is a list of what I need: 
>
> 1) Wheelset:  Quality 700c silver rims with Deore-level hubs, 32h or 36h 
> for spokes, with 135mm spacing, non-machined braking surfaces, outer rim 
> width of 23mm ore 24mm. I plan to ride supple, non-knobby tires 35 to 42mm 
> in nominal width.   
>
> 2) Drivetrain: Triple crankset 110/74 with 170mm arms. Prefer 42t/26t 
> chainrings plus space for an outer chain guard. I have a NIB Shimano Altus 
> rear derailer, but I’ll need a front derailer. A range of 25 to 95 gear 
> inches is most useful to me, with the Altus r.d. guiding the chain onto an 
> 8-speed Shimano cassette (12-32/36) that I need to locate. Prefer Shimano 
> 8-speed shifters, both bar end and thumb. Indexed rear is preferred, given 
> my faulty hearing. 
>
> 3) Linear pull V brakes, with upright bar levers, both good quality. 
>
>   
>
> Thanks for contacting me offlist with descriptions, photos and pricing.   
>
>
> Dave in Kansas 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[tc]

Hey Leah, it's not "your husband's cast-off Clem" anymore.  It's "my 
Clem"...

Dang it, all this Clem talk got me to changin' my Clem tires to Snoq Passes 
and ordering VO fluted fenders tonightso I can get that  
Julian's
 
Clem 
 
look :).  
Tell me that isn't a smart-lookin bike.  Thanks for the inspiration, Julian!

It's so cool that the Clem (L or H) can be as *007* dapper as Julian's, or 
as lumberjack rugged as the  @bienslado 
'spulling
 
off both equally well.  And the ride is as good as the looks.  I can't 
believe you get all that for the price...it's crazy, really.  All you who 
have resisted the Clem, it's time to give in to the force.  It would be so 
fun to see the *real *bike nerds on this forum get a Clem and do some crazy 
builds!

Tom

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:06:29 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Well, I will say this. The Clem is faster than the Foy (the Cheviot’s 
> forerunner)
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[RBW] Re: FS: Mtn Mixte 54.5 Frame; Nitto Stem; Bosco Bullmoose Bars; Bosco Bars; Microshift 9 Spd Shifters

[RDS]

Ships from Georgia.

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[RBW] FS: Mtn Mixte 54.5 Frame; Nitto Stem; Bosco Bullmoose Bars; Bosco Bars; Microshift 9 Spd Shifters

[RDS]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DlLz6eIBrsRQm7MIONIFo9CTxlHoFk9g

Contact me off list if interested.  Paypal friends and family unless we 
agree to other arrangements.

*Nitto Stem* - 130MM - I bought it used and only used it once for a couple 
of miles.  $50 shipped to USA
*Microshift 9 Speed Double/Triple Shifters* - Mounted but never used - $60 
Shipped to USA
*Bosco Bullmoose* - $110 shipped to USA
*Bosco Bars* - 58 - $50 Shipped to USA - I believe these are aluminum

Rosco Bubbe Frame (frame/fork/headset/BB) - $450 + BikeFlights/ShipBikes to 
USA

I bought it off the RBW list back in March of this year.  I had it built up 
by REI.  Less than 2 miles ridden.  REI installed a wider BB, so I will 
include both of the BB's.  I attempted to touch up a couple of the paint 
chips and as you can see my color matching skills are lacking.  There are 
some paint chips that I left alone.  Hopefully most of the paint chips will 
show in the pics.  I paid $550 plus shipping.  Other than being built up, 
the bike should be in similar condition from when I rec'd it.  Below is 
"some" of the text from the ad when I bought it as it explains it better 
than I ever could.  :

"This step thru is from the original Bubbe run with the 54.5cm seat tube, 
*not* the more recent run of Jumbo step thrus. Includes headset, bottom 
bracket, seat post, and two cable guides (not pictured).  Sizing is similar 
to a 55cm Cheviot with a rough PBH range of 78cm to 86cm.  Some build 
notes: fits 650b wheels with up to 2.2" tires; 135mm sliding rear dropouts; 
and V-brakes/cantilever posts.  The frame is in good shape but there are a 
handful of things that don't fall under normal wear-and-tear:
Large chip off the top tube (Don't really know how that got there. It's 
cosmetic not structural).  Some paint wear around the seat tube where the 
cable guides were mounted.  Seat tube decal has some wear. "

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Leah Peterson]

Well, I will say this. The Clem is faster than the Foy (the Cheviot’s 
forerunner).

My son rode his electric scooter to basketball practice today, and I decided to 
meet him halfway on his way home. I was on my husband’s cast-off Clem and when 
my son came into view, he was on the opposite side of the road, on the 
sidewalk. He was looking straight ahead and never saw me. I did an about face 
and tried to chase him down (going uphill); I was giving it everything I had. I 
never did catch him, but I tell you what...I am never able to go that fast on 
my Betty Foy. No idea why, and it’s not weight - that Clem is heavier, I’m 
sure. So nobody better dare say the Clem is a clunker! 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 30, 2019, at 4:46 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> Ahem ... er ... uh  Rubenesque?  Or, maybe we just leave it as "there's a 
> little more to hold on to" :-)  Whatevah ... the Clem's a beaut! 
> 
> Here is an example of a more slender variety of Clem L from Blue Lug.
> 
> Tom
> 
>> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> 
>> Hey, Tom! What are you saying about our "big boned" Clementines? Huh? Huh? 
>> Grin.
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Wool Jersey, Honey Brooks B17 Special, Arkel T-42 & T-28 Panniers

[Sean Cleary]

Ibex vest is sold. T-28 panniers available for Mpls pickup only due to 
brutal shipping costs for larger pair. Lucky buyer though.

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:04:50 AM UTC-5, Sean Cleary wrote:
>
> Everything sold except Arkel T-28 panniers: $110 shipped lower US.
>
> –also For Sale: Ibex wool vest size large, color grey, seldom worn, in 
> excellent condition: $65 shipped lower US. 
>
> Photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/
>
> Sean in Mpls
>
> On Friday, April 26, 2019 at 6:23:25 PM UTC-5, Sean Cleary wrote:
>>
>> Size XL Nitto Wool Jersey. For reference, I wear size large T-shirts and 
>> this is loose/comfortable, not euro weenie. $65. 
>> Brooks B-17 Special Honey with Brooks rain cover (shown attached). About 
>> 2000 miles country riding, nicely broken in with no sagging. $75
>> Arkel T-42 panniers in almost new condition (one weekend jaunt) with 
>> never used matching Arkel raincovers. $185
>> Full set of above Arkel T-42 panniers, raincovers, and near new condition 
>> Arkel T-28s: $275
>>
>> All prices include shipping in lower US. Pickup locally and save.
>>
>> Sean in Mpls
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/66219337@N06/
>>
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[RBW] WTB parts for my newish Sam Hillborne

[Dave Redmon]

Greetings, RBW list members--

I’m needing some components for my almost new 55cm Sam Hillborne 
frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket. My preference is silver, not black. I’m 75 
and on retirement income, so I’m limited to good quality used parts whenever 
that makes better sense. In general, Shimano will do just fine. As an un-racer 
and under-biker for most of my life, on a good day I can still ride 40 to 60 
miles. In general, I ride 80% paved, 20% gravel and dirt. I’m a slow but 
persistent rider who’s enjoyed four Bridgestone bicycles over the past 25 
years—including a 1994 RB-T that I still prize.  My wife has a 52 cm Clem L 
which we acquired from a friend last fall.  Shortly, I hope, we’ll be adding a 
Rivendell Sam!  

I have a number of parts on hand, but here is a list of what I need:

1) Wheelset:  Quality 700c silver rims with Deore-level hubs, 32h or 36h for 
spokes, with 135mm spacing, non-machined braking surfaces, outer rim width of 
23mm ore 24mm. I plan to ride supple, non-knobby tires 35 to 42mm in nominal 
width.  

2) Drivetrain: Triple crankset 110/74 with 170mm arms. Prefer 42t/26t 
chainrings plus space for an outer chain guard. I have a NIB Shimano Altus rear 
derailer, but I’ll need a front derailer. A range of 25 to 95 gear inches is 
most useful to me, with the Altus r.d. guiding the chain onto an 8-speed 
Shimano cassette (12-32/36) that I need to locate. Prefer Shimano 8-speed 
shifters, both bar end and thumb. Indexed rear is preferred, given my faulty 
hearing.

3) Linear pull V brakes, with upright bar levers, both good quality.

 

Thanks for contacting me offlist with descriptions, photos and pricing.  


Dave in Kansas

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[RBW] Re: Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Robert Liebermann]

I have both also, and the eyelets and polish level seem to be the 
difference (and label - the Atlas label is nice and pretty, the Nobs label 
less so in a sort of not quite as ugly as the Surly logo level). I haven't 
tried the super shiny version of Atlas yet, just the regular shiny. 

The Nobs seem plenty strong, the Atlas just a little fancier looking.

These are the only rims I've bought in years now, just what I like: US 
made, silver, modest logo-ization, good quality, easy to deal with company, 
'normal' shape, variety of sizes and drillings (and some that aren't 
listed; ask Velocity), strong... 

No need to go with anything else despite fancier names or pretensions, in 
my opinion. 

//rjl
Lake Superior
>
>  
>  
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[RBW] Re: Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[ascpgh]

I began my generator hub experience by considering moving my wheel to other 
bikes, rationalizing my SON expense across several bikes. 

I used the centerlock disc format to serve my disc braked commuter but allow me 
to spin off the ring, pull the disc and run it on my other bike. I used the 
same Velocity rim as my non-disc bike so its braking performance wasn’t 
diminished.

Fast forward to now, I’m getting another SON and Light for a new project. Gen 
hubs and wired lights are such a transforming addition to a bike you really 
will use and enjoy.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[tc]

Ahem ... er ... uh  *Rubenesque?  *Or, maybe we just leave it as 
"there's a little more to hold on to" :-)  Whatevah ... the Clem's a beaut! 

Here is an example of  a more 
slender variety of Clem L  
from Blue Lug.

Tom

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 12:21:36 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Hey, Tom! What are you saying about our "big boned" Clementines? Huh? Huh? 
> Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

[Christopher Wiggins]

The new place isn't that far from the old place.  See you soon.

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 6:20:39 PM UTC-4, Adam in Indiana wrote:
>
> I'm sorry I missed that, Chris!  I'm going to try and make it to your new 
> shop one of these days...I was about an hour and a half south of your old 
> place, but was able to make it in from time to time. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 2:42:50 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins 
> wrote: 
> > Friends, 
> > I had a bit of a Grand Opening par-tay last week.  Surly bikes was in 
> attendance with a van full 'o demos.  We did a multi surface urban ride on 
> Friday.  Fun was had by all.  I wrote up a very short blurb, and posted 
> some of the worthwhile pics.   
> > Enjoy 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/about/news/just-like-eddie-murphy-we-partied-all-the-time/
>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

[Adam in Indiana]

I'm sorry I missed that, Chris!  I'm going to try and make it to your new shop 
one of these days...I was about an hour and a half south of your old place, but 
was able to make it in from time to time.


On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:25:53 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 2:42:50 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
> Friends,
> I had a bit of a Grand Opening par-tay last week.  Surly bikes was in 
> attendance with a van full 'o demos.  We did a multi surface urban ride on 
> Friday.  Fun was had by all.  I wrote up a very short blurb, and posted some 
> of the worthwhile pics.  
> Enjoy
> 
> 
> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/about/news/just-like-eddie-murphy-we-partied-all-the-time/

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[dougP]

That is one epic adventure.  Thanks for all the photos & report.  

dougP

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 6:26:49 AM UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> “Begin by drinking garlic juice immediately!” This was the first piece of 
> advice my new friend Sharad offered as we sat sipping coffee at Himalayan 
> Java in Thamel. I was preparing to cycle the Annapurna circuit, and 
> according to Sharad this was a sure way to avoid altitude sickness. 
> Michelle is always super supportive of my tours, but I figured this might 
> need some discussion. Or at least a courteous warning.
>
>
> “Don’t cycle near the edge. The dropping is very dangerous!” Even as new 
> friend, Sharad was already concerned with my safety.
>
>
> “And watch out for bears throwing stones!” Up to this point altitude 
> sickness had been my biggest concern. “Bears throwing stones?” I was 
> puzzled. “Yes, purple bears!” Hmm. I made a mental note to avoid what must 
> be very potent hashish in the mountains. “Purple bears!?” I pressed. “I 
> mean deers!” Sharad clarified. “The purple deers are on the mountains above 
> you and will knock down stones.” And so altitude sickness remained my 
> greatest concern.
>
>
> Riding a bicycle over a 5400 meter mountain pass (17,769 ft for those who 
> refuse to think metrically), or more likely pushing, carrying and dragging 
> it, was not something I’d ever really planned on doing- not a ‘bucket list’ 
> kind of thing for me. But I had just returned to Kathmandu from a wonderful 
> cycling adventure in New Zealand, and sitting around the apartment while 
> Michelle is working makes me stir-crazy. I went for a ride to Thamel, 
> ground-zero for trekkers in Kathmandu, and the bustle of excited travelers 
> preparing for their hikes in the Himalayas piqued my interest. I wondered 
> if anyone had ever cycled the Annapurna circuit. When I returned home, I 
> jumped on the interweb and discovered that people do it all the time. Woo 
> hoo! Within the week I had sound advice from Sharad, acquired my permits, 
> received blessings from Michelle, and was on a shuttle to Besishar, a town 
> about 140 km from Kathmandu and the traditional starting point of the 
> circuit.
>
>
> On foot the circuit is about 210 km in length as most people end in 
> Nayapul and shuttle to Pokhara. By bicycle, the ride is about 320 km with 
> about 7800m (26,000ft) of climbing. The road/track is the roughest I've 
> ridden anywhere. Period. It is rocky, muddy, potholed and a literal pain in 
> the arse. All of this, however, is mitigated by the incredible scenery, the 
> sense of adventure, the fascinating Buddhist relics, and the wonderful 
> Nepali people. The trekkers path is much better than the track, but there 
> are long sections of stone steps that require carrying the bike. I opted 
> for a combination. Once past Manang it is all path until crossing over the 
> pass and dropping into Muktinath. With the exception of a few sets of 
> stairs here and there, I was able to ride the entire way to Thorong Phedi, 
> about 6km and about 900m below the pass. The combination of steep terrain 
> and snow on the ascent to the pass and snowmelt and mud on the descent make 
> the final 6km up and about 10km down the other side are hike-a-bike at this 
> time of year.
>
>
> The night before I left High Camp to climb the last 600meters to the pass, 
> it snowed. As I set off in the early morning darkness under a crisp sky 
> speckled with stars, the moonlight shone off a fresh blanket of snow. 
> Thousands of individual snowflakes reflected the moon’s light and it was as 
> if stars themselves had fallen into the drifts. In the highest mountains 
> I’ve ever been, I couldn’t imagine a more perfect beginning to the day 
> ahead. 
>
>
> After about four and a half hours of carrying and rolling my Hunq, Sweet 
> As, over the fresh but trodden snow, I reached the pass. At 5416 meters it 
> is the highest elevation I've ever been. The air is truly rarified up 
> there, and looking down on some of the highest and largest mountains on the 
> planet was awe-inspiring, in the truest sense of the word. 
>
>
> Regarding the Riv, I'm not sure how many such bikes have been up there, 
> but it was, as you can imagine, in the eyes of many quite out of place. 
> 'That's not a real mountain bike!', exclaimed one German trekker. 'You're 
> going up there with THAT!?' was not an uncommon comment. But I think it was 
> the basket and the Albatross bars that really threw people for a loop. And 
> while many of the trekkers who pass me along the way as I plodded towards 
> the top were encouraging and truly delighted for me when I made it up to 
> the pass, I'm sure some were quite surprised that me and Sweet As made it. 
> As we all know, Rivs are amazing machines, highly capable to carrying us 
> and our gear to magnificent heights (and down again), and for my part I 
> never doubted the bike would make it. I did, however, wonder about myself 
> at times. 
>
>
> As 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

[Rob Kristoff]

Tom, I usually don't like upright bars on Atlantises, but something about your 
bike just looks perfect to me. Good job, and thanks for the review.

Rob

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Re: [RBW] Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

And thank you, John, for sharing your experience with the NoBS rims.  Sounds 
like they were a good fit for your adventure!

It’s very possible I may end up just trying one of the $200 disc wheels in the 
interim and if that build doesn’t work out as a keeper I could sell the whole 
thing with the wheel but I’d hate to do that only to in turn want to upgrade 
later and having a hard time justifying a dedicated disc dyno wheel for an 
unproven conversion/build.  Adding the extra flexibility may help move into 
generator territory altogether.

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Joe Bernard]

That's a good point I had forgotten, Adam: The Clem L does indeed have a 
smidgen of flex through the frame. Cheviot has closer to a triangle-like 
bracing from its taller toptube.  

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Adam Leibow]

^as a counterpoint to my own claim, both are amazing bikes and can really 
do it all. I used to take my Cheviot on the same allrounder group rides and 
it did great. you can't go wrong. Buy the one that pulls your heart strings 
most. 

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>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Chevoit or Clem jr L

[Adam Leibow]

I have both (60cm Cheviot & 59cm Clem L) and disagree that the cheviot is 
faster/sportier. To me the cheviot rides stouter/stiffer and the clem L 
feels flexier and "planes" if you believe in that. I prefer the Cheviot for 
carrying a substantial load (clem L flexes too much) and the Clem L for 
lighter loads & faster rides. I use the Clem L on group rides to keep up 
with my local MTB & CX group ride friends. They're amazed that my 
"commuter" can keep up. 

On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 10:10:07 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> My wife has finally shown interest in a nice frame that's more comfortable 
> than her road bike and surly LHT. I recommended the Clem and Chevoit and 
> she really likes the idea of the step-thru frames. 
>
> Hoping to get more insight into the two and what the major difference 
> would be. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Peter White]

Schmidt, Busch & Müller and Supernova all say that the Velogical dynamo
should not be used with their lights and such use will void the warrantee
on their lights. The Velogical produces too much power at high speeds and
can damage lights built to work with normal dynamos such as the SON,
Shimano, Panasonic, etc.

Peter White

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:17 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I much prefer dynamo hubs to any other system I've used, but others who
> don't want the cost or expense of dynamo hubs and who don't ride long
> distances at night might consider bottle and bb-area dynamos. I've only
> used (a) cheap Union and Sanyo bottles and (b) very expensive, top-end 12 v
> bottle. The former do indeed drag; consider that you are riding into a 12
> mph headwind, or up a slight grade; gear down 1 tooth. The 12 volt dragged
> very little but is not relevant. The old Sanyo bb-area dynamos are still
> available from time to time on ebay and on lists and they drag less if you
> use a smooth tire. Both bottles and bb dynamos will power a modern led lamp
> very nicely; I used a bb dynamo on the folder until I finally swapped in a
> hub dynamo.
>
> Velogical makes a rim-driven "bottle" that puts out less power but puts
> out enough for most modern LED headlights; and it is very light and drags
> little from what I have read.
>
> Patrick Moore who has 3 bikes of 4 with hub dynamos but who is saving his
> bb generator just in case.
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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

[Christopher Wiggins]

It's not your fault.  I thought I should be able to edit the original post 
(silly me) and ending up deleting it.  No worries.  I will be on page 3 in 
no time flat.

Chris

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:52:36 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I don't grasp how this became my thread. Sorry, Christopher, I didn't mean 
> to hijack it.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

greater usage of the generator wheel across a wider range of applications, 
is what I meant to say.


On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:55:09 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> Thanks, Ian.  I do appreciate the suggestion.  One detail I excluded is 
> that my current mileage is limited and does not actually justify a fleet of 
> 4 bicycles.  I'm also faced with a restricted budget and trying to avoid 
> impulse or short term solutions that may end up costing more in the long 
> run.  As a personal compromise, I've adopted the practice of keeping 2 
> bikes road ready but only one kept readily accessible in home at a time, 
> with the 2nd complete and 2 spare frames plus parts packed away in 
> available storage space thanks to generous family.  So I really only have 
> one bike at a time in our small living space, with most rides going right 
> out the door and through nearby parks and multi-use paths.  Clamp on 
> battery lights have served me well for the most part and I keep another 
> mounted on my helmet.  I'll often just rely on the helmet light during 
> short evening rides, rather than take the time to locate and install the 
> handlebar mounted one that often gets removed and/or kept in a saddle bag 
> that may or may not be mounted on the bike at any given time (I 
> shuffle among a few bags depending on type of ride so sometimes the lights 
> just end up in the wrong bag at the wrong time.)
>
> Part of the appeal for me is investing in a single reliable generator hub 
> wheel that I'll keep regardless of what bike ends up becoming my primary 
> bike, if that makes sense.  So the thought of having a rim that could 
> withstand a few years of rim brake usage but continue to last indefinitely 
> as a disc wheel on a potential future bike (maybe a BMC Monstercross Disc, 
> which I've once considered as a replacement for my 3 lighter bikes and 
> to downsize to a final 2 bike stable.)
>
> Another reason I've hesitated to fully commit to a disc specific rim is 
> that my recently limited mileage kind of makes tubeless irrelevant, so if 
> going with tubes for the foreseeable future I think I'd rather just 
> sacrifice the disc rim optimization altogether and go for a beefier rim 
> brake rim and get greater usage of the generator wheel across a wider range 
> of usage.
>
> I've been back and forth about all of this so still just debating all the 
> possibilities.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-4, Ian A wrote:
>
>> Can't comment on the rims/differences therein, but in terms of switching 
>> one wheel among different bikes that aren't all disc models, I would 
>> suggest it's an idea in principle that will rarely be put into practice. 
>> Readjusting brakes and presumably moving over lights is time consuming 
>> enough to be majorly inconvenient. 
>>
>> My unsolicited advice would be to build up a purpose built dynamo disc 
>> wheel for the 12x100 bike, optimising the rim for that purpose. 
>>
>> Out of my four bikes (all canti brakes), three have dynamo hubs/lighting 
>> systems. I could share one dynamo hub and light(s) between the two 26" 
>> bikes, but it would be a royal pain. And even then it would only make sense 
>> to run dynamo front lights in that scenario. (The convenience of a dynamo 
>> rear light is greater in practice than in theory. I am slack about keeping 
>> batteries charged).
>>
>> SoN hubs are costly, but the various Shimano and SP offerings are 
>> reasonable enough to be able to justify more than one bike in a fleet to 
>> have dynamo lighting. 
>>
>> My 2c only. Apologies for the answering a question not asked.
>>
>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>
>>

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[RBW] Brifter setup for my Sam: looking for options

[Neil Doran]

I love how my Sam is set up right now: Shimano Sora 3x9 brifters on 44 cm 
Salsa Cowchipper. Haven't had a hankering to change this in over a year, so 
I think I am sold.

However, I purchased the Sora brifters used, and they are worn. Time for an 
upgrade.

When I last looked, Sora and I think Micro Shift were the only 3 x 9 
brifters on the market. Should I be thinking about other options, such as 
10 sp?

My modest requirements...

- Must be indexed, don't wanna go back to friction.

- Need to use existing rear wheel (standard LX hub).

- Need at least a double up front, cuz of hills and I frequently bike-camp 
and otherwise load the bike up.

- Need to be compatible with sidepull brakes.

- Would prefer to reuse the crank (standard RIv Sugino triple) but not 
necessary.

What I'm thinking is a wide-low double (28 x 46 ish) and an expanded rear 
cassette (likely 10 sp) (11 x 38 ish)...has anybody done a setup like this 
before?

Kinda looking for an integrated solution that plays well together and 
delivers very good shifting performance. Thanks all!

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[RBW] Re: Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks, Ian.  I do appreciate the suggestion.  One detail I excluded is 
that my current mileage is limited and does not actually justify a fleet of 
4 bicycles.  I'm also faced with a restricted budget and trying to avoid 
impulse or short term solutions that may end up costing more in the long 
run.  As a personal compromise, I've adopted the practice of keeping 2 
bikes road ready but only one kept readily accessible in home at a time, 
with the 2nd complete and 2 spare frames plus parts packed away in 
available storage space thanks to generous family.  So I really only have 
one bike at a time in our small living space, with most rides going right 
out the door and through nearby parks and multi-use paths.  Clamp on 
battery lights have served me well for the most part and I keep another 
mounted on my helmet.  I'll often just rely on the helmet light during 
short evening rides, rather than take the time to locate and install the 
handlebar mounted one that often gets removed and/or kept in a saddle bag 
that may or may not be mounted on the bike at any given time (I 
shuffle among a few bags depending on type of ride so sometimes the lights 
just end up in the wrong bag at the wrong time.)

Part of the appeal for me is investing in a single reliable generator hub 
wheel that I'll keep regardless of what bike ends up becoming my primary 
bike, if that makes sense.  So the thought of having a rim that could 
withstand a few years of rim brake usage but continue to last indefinitely 
as a disc wheel on a potential future bike (maybe a BMC Monstercross Disc, 
which I've once considered as a replacement for my 3 lighter bikes and 
to downsize to a final 2 bike stable.)

Another reason I've hesitated to fully commit to a disc specific rim is 
that my recently limited mileage kind of makes tubeless irrelevant, so if 
going with tubes for the foreseeable future I think I'd rather just 
sacrifice the disc rim optimization altogether and go for a beefier rim 
brake rim and get greater usage of the generator wheel across a wider range 
of usage.

I've been back and forth about all of this so still just debating all the 
possibilities.

Thanks.


On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 2:21:10 PM UTC-4, Ian A wrote:

> Can't comment on the rims/differences therein, but in terms of switching 
> one wheel among different bikes that aren't all disc models, I would 
> suggest it's an idea in principle that will rarely be put into practice. 
> Readjusting brakes and presumably moving over lights is time consuming 
> enough to be majorly inconvenient. 
>
> My unsolicited advice would be to build up a purpose built dynamo disc 
> wheel for the 12x100 bike, optimising the rim for that purpose. 
>
> Out of my four bikes (all canti brakes), three have dynamo hubs/lighting 
> systems. I could share one dynamo hub and light(s) between the two 26" 
> bikes, but it would be a royal pain. And even then it would only make sense 
> to run dynamo front lights in that scenario. (The convenience of a dynamo 
> rear light is greater in practice than in theory. I am slack about keeping 
> batteries charged).
>
> SoN hubs are costly, but the various Shimano and SP offerings are 
> reasonable enough to be able to justify more than one bike in a fleet to 
> have dynamo lighting. 
>
> My 2c only. Apologies for the answering a question not asked.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
>

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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't grasp how this became my thread. Sorry, Christopher, I didn't mean to 
hijack it.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

[Christopher Wiggins]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 2:42:50 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>
> Friends,
> I had a bit of a Grand Opening par-tay last week.  Surly bikes was in 
> attendance with a van full 'o demos.  We did a multi surface urban ride on 
> Friday.  Fun was had by all.  I wrote up a very short blurb, and posted 
> some of the worthwhile pics.  
> Enjoy
>
>
> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/about/news/just-like-eddie-murphy-we-partied-all-the-time/
>  
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: A Grand Opening soiree

[Christopher Wiggins]

Ahhh.  Thank you.  I get in a hurry sometimes.  

On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 3:10:16 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> You posted an admin. link, not a viewer link. This is the post you mean? 
> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/about/news/just-like-eddie-murphy-we-partied-all-the-time/
>  
> 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] A Grand Opening soiree

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You posted an admin. link, not a viewer link. This is the post you mean? 
https://thepsychicderailleur.com/about/news/just-like-eddie-murphy-we-partied-all-the-time/

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[Ash]

WOW!  What an epic adventure John.

Thanks a ton for sharing the story and the pictures.  

Seeing a Hunq with Wald's basket on such extreme adventure gave me a 
chuckle.  You 'just rode' what you had.   That's truly inspiring.

I've seen people spend 4 figures accessorizing the bike with all kinds of 
Ortleibs and what not, to ride from San Jose to Mt. Mount Tamalpais  :)


On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 06:26:49 UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> “Begin by drinking garlic juice immediately!” This was the first piece of 
> advice my new friend Sharad offered as we sat sipping coffee at Himalayan 
> Java in Thamel. I was preparing to cycle the Annapurna circuit, and 
> according to Sharad this was a sure way to avoid altitude sickness. 
> Michelle is always super supportive of my tours, but I figured this might 
> need some discussion. Or at least a courteous warning.
>
>
> “Don’t cycle near the edge. The dropping is very dangerous!” Even as new 
> friend, Sharad was already concerned with my safety.
>
>
> “And watch out for bears throwing stones!” Up to this point altitude 
> sickness had been my biggest concern. “Bears throwing stones?” I was 
> puzzled. “Yes, purple bears!” Hmm. I made a mental note to avoid what must 
> be very potent hashish in the mountains. “Purple bears!?” I pressed. “I 
> mean deers!” Sharad clarified. “The purple deers are on the mountains above 
> you and will knock down stones.” And so altitude sickness remained my 
> greatest concern.
>
>
> Riding a bicycle over a 5400 meter mountain pass (17,769 ft for those who 
> refuse to think metrically), or more likely pushing, carrying and dragging 
> it, was not something I’d ever really planned on doing- not a ‘bucket list’ 
> kind of thing for me. But I had just returned to Kathmandu from a wonderful 
> cycling adventure in New Zealand, and sitting around the apartment while 
> Michelle is working makes me stir-crazy. I went for a ride to Thamel, 
> ground-zero for trekkers in Kathmandu, and the bustle of excited travelers 
> preparing for their hikes in the Himalayas piqued my interest. I wondered 
> if anyone had ever cycled the Annapurna circuit. When I returned home, I 
> jumped on the interweb and discovered that people do it all the time. Woo 
> hoo! Within the week I had sound advice from Sharad, acquired my permits, 
> received blessings from Michelle, and was on a shuttle to Besishar, a town 
> about 140 km from Kathmandu and the traditional starting point of the 
> circuit.
>
>
> On foot the circuit is about 210 km in length as most people end in 
> Nayapul and shuttle to Pokhara. By bicycle, the ride is about 320 km with 
> about 7800m (26,000ft) of climbing. The road/track is the roughest I've 
> ridden anywhere. Period. It is rocky, muddy, potholed and a literal pain in 
> the arse. All of this, however, is mitigated by the incredible scenery, the 
> sense of adventure, the fascinating Buddhist relics, and the wonderful 
> Nepali people. The trekkers path is much better than the track, but there 
> are long sections of stone steps that require carrying the bike. I opted 
> for a combination. Once past Manang it is all path until crossing over the 
> pass and dropping into Muktinath. With the exception of a few sets of 
> stairs here and there, I was able to ride the entire way to Thorong Phedi, 
> about 6km and about 900m below the pass. The combination of steep terrain 
> and snow on the ascent to the pass and snowmelt and mud on the descent make 
> the final 6km up and about 10km down the other side are hike-a-bike at this 
> time of year.
>
>
> The night before I left High Camp to climb the last 600meters to the pass, 
> it snowed. As I set off in the early morning darkness under a crisp sky 
> speckled with stars, the moonlight shone off a fresh blanket of snow. 
> Thousands of individual snowflakes reflected the moon’s light and it was as 
> if stars themselves had fallen into the drifts. In the highest mountains 
> I’ve ever been, I couldn’t imagine a more perfect beginning to the day 
> ahead. 
>
>
> After about four and a half hours of carrying and rolling my Hunq, Sweet 
> As, over the fresh but trodden snow, I reached the pass. At 5416 meters it 
> is the highest elevation I've ever been. The air is truly rarified up 
> there, and looking down on some of the highest and largest mountains on the 
> planet was awe-inspiring, in the truest sense of the word. 
>
>
> Regarding the Riv, I'm not sure how many such bikes have been up there, 
> but it was, as you can imagine, in the eyes of many quite out of place. 
> 'That's not a real mountain bike!', exclaimed one German trekker. 'You're 
> going up there with THAT!?' was not an uncommon comment. But I think it was 
> the basket and the Albatross bars that really threw people for a loop. And 
> while many of the trekkers who pass me along the way as I plodded towards 
> the top were encouraging and truly delighted for me when I made it up to 
> the pass, I'm sure some were 

[RBW] A Grand Opening soiree

[Christopher Wiggins]

Friends,
I had a bit of a Grand Opening par-tay last week.  Surly bikes was in 
attendance with a van full 'o demos.  We did a multi surface urban ride on 
Friday.  Fun was had by all.  I wrote up a very short blurb, and posted 
some of the worthwhile pics.  
Enjoy

https://thepsychicderailleur.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4920=edit

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[RBW] Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Ian A]

Can't comment on the rims/differences therein, but in terms of switching one 
wheel among different bikes that aren't all disc models, I would suggest it's 
an idea in principle that will rarely be put into practice. Readjusting brakes 
and presumably moving over lights is time consuming enough to be majorly 
inconvenient. 

My unsolicited advice would be to build up a purpose built dynamo disc wheel 
for the 12x100 bike, optimising the rim for that purpose. 

Out of my four bikes (all canti brakes), three have dynamo hubs/lighting 
systems. I could share one dynamo hub and light(s) between the two 26" bikes, 
but it would be a royal pain. And even then it would only make sense to run 
dynamo front lights in that scenario. (The convenience of a dynamo rear light 
is greater in practice than in theory. I am slack about keeping batteries 
charged).

SoN hubs are costly, but the various Shimano and SP offerings are reasonable 
enough to be able to justify more than one bike in a fleet to have dynamo 
lighting. 

My 2c only. Apologies for the answering a question not asked.

IanA Alberta Canada

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Re: [RBW] Dynamo lights

[Patrick Moore]

I much prefer dynamo hubs to any other system I've used, but others who
don't want the cost or expense of dynamo hubs and who don't ride long
distances at night might consider bottle and bb-area dynamos. I've only
used (a) cheap Union and Sanyo bottles and (b) very expensive, top-end 12 v
bottle. The former do indeed drag; consider that you are riding into a 12
mph headwind, or up a slight grade; gear down 1 tooth. The 12 volt dragged
very little but is not relevant. The old Sanyo bb-area dynamos are still
available from time to time on ebay and on lists and they drag less if you
use a smooth tire. Both bottles and bb dynamos will power a modern led lamp
very nicely; I used a bb dynamo on the folder until I finally swapped in a
hub dynamo.

Velogical makes a rim-driven "bottle" that puts out less power but puts out
enough for most modern LED headlights; and it is very light and drags
little from what I have read.

Patrick Moore who has 3 bikes of 4 with hub dynamos but who is saving his
bb generator just in case.

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Re: [RBW] Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[John McBurney]

I went through the same decision process  when rebuilding my wheels before
doing the C/GAP ride last Oct. I was loaded out with bike, panniers and
rider at 290 Lbs. My wheels were 32 spoke on a belt drive IGH bike.

The trail was in pretty bad shape and in portions near Paw Paw WV there was
deep standing water that lead me to drop into some pretty deep holes.

The wheels came through unscathed.

I spec’d Sapim Strong spokes along with NoBS rims.

They are a nice width.

Recommended.

John

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:50 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I'm understanding correctly, it would appear the NoBS is the same
> extrusion as the Atlas but just lacking anodization/finish and eyelets.  My
> interpretation of this is viewing the NoBS simply as an unrefined and more
> affordable/budget friendly Atlas.  Are my assumptions accurate?  Am I
> missing something and are there possibly other differences?
>
> NoBS rim descriptions discuss thicker spoke beds and thicker sidewalls...
> but not in direct comparison to Atlas and Atlas rim descriptions (on
> Velocity's pages, etc.) are otherwise lacking.
>
> The NoBS/Atlas has found it's way onto my short list for rims to consider
> for a potential no-nonsense, custom built, multi-purpose, multi-bike,
> dyno-hubbed, new front wheel with future-proofness being greatly taken into
> consideration.
>
> My thinking goes as follows:
> I currently have 4 different frames that share the 700c wheel size (two
> newer/nicer frames including my 65cm Clem, and two older/fixer-upper/beater
> level frames.)  They all have the same 9x100 spec'd fork ends with stock
> forks although nicer frame #2 is involved in an ongoing one-off project
> that involves a more useful/versatile replacement fork with 12x100 thru
> axle and disc brake spec.
>
> I've considered just buying a complete 'off the shelf' thru axle disc
> wheel to accommodate this particular conversion project and being done with
> it but at $150-200 minimum investment at the lower end of those wheel specs
> I'm reconsidering and debating just taking this opportunity to invest in a
> quality handbuilt dyno front wheel that could maybe be moved from bike to
> bike as I rotate them annually and/or seasonally.
>
> At first glance this wouldn't appear to make much sense with the differing
> hub and brake specs (9x100 vs 12x100 TA) but thanks to an adapter like this:
>
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/son-12-mm-thru-axle-adapter/
>
> I'm wondering if building up a single dyno wheel with 12x100 thru axle hub
> with center lock disc and a rim that could be used with rim brakes could be
> more cost effective and space-concious in the long run and with an adapter
> as linked above it could easily transfer over to my Clem and two other
> frames if needed/desired?
>
> I'm not 100% set on the above rims but considering the range of tires I'd
> want/need to fit among the 4 different frames (32mm up to 50+mm(Clem)) this
> rim width seems to offer the best compromise and tire size range.
>
> I understand there are more details to consider, such as
> wiring/lights/etc. that would make moving the wheel from bike to bike more
> complicated and not just a 'quick swap', but my intent would not be to have
> all 4 dyno ready at the same time.  I'd initially dedicate the new disc
> forked project to the generator system (as this is also primarily meant to
> be a winter bike with more night time riding expected) but with the ability
> to move this all over to my Clem and beater bikes whenever needed or
> wanted, since I still like to tinker and try new builds on occasion.
>
> I realize I ventured a little further from my initial question and topic
> but now you know most of what I'm thinking.  I'm basically trying to
> determine if choosing something like the NoBS offers most, if not all, of
> the benefits of an Atlas but by shaving off $30 (or more like $60 if
> compared to the fully polished Atlas) this could help offset the cost of
> the more costly hub (whether SON, Shimano, etc.)
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] FS: MKS Sylvan Touring pedals, 2 pair

[Joe Bernard]

One pair sold. One down, one to go!

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[RBW] Re: Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thank you, Patrick.  Sounds like the no frills, NoBS rim could be just what 
I'm looking for.

Also just to clarify for anyone reading that may be wondering how my 
aforementioned thru axle disc fork is "a more useful/versatile replacement 
fork"... I'm specifically referring to it's rack compatibility vs the 
stock caliper rim brake fork which otherwise has no mounts or provisions 
for racks aside from one lower fender mount at the dropout.

So while the disc fork is less versatile regarding hub compatibility it's 
more versatile regarding racks and tire/fender fit for my intended winter 
and foul weather single speed all-rounder build.


On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 11:17:24 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Precisely. I have both the NoBS and Atlas, and they are identical as far 
> as I can tell other than the slight breaking in period of the NoBS with the 
> rim brakes. Very minor.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Dynamo lights

[Madam Xylene]

All four of my bikes have dynamo hubs. When I got my Cheviot I initially had 
battery lights which were ok but I kept spacing out on recharging or being out 
later and darker than I planned. No worries with the dynamo AND it’s worth 
having lights and the extra visibility when riding in shady canyons during 
daytime. Even opted to have rear dynamo light.
Eileen 

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[RBW] Chevoit or Clem jr L

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey, Tom! What are you saying about our "big boned" Clementines? Huh? Huh? Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: MTB Hunqapillar questions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I second the Bosco love. GBW arrived with Bosco Bars and I was very surprised 
how much I liked them, with the singular exception (a BIG one for me) of 
technical descents. Two issue here: hand slippage (no way around that with 
parallel bars) and no brake access at the point where hand slippage isn't an 
issue (where the bars start to drop, though I never rode this as much as I 
wanted on descents to find out how well they worked because ... no brake 
access). 

I am equally impressed with the wavy bars' meeting all the comfort of the 
Boscos (for me, obviously) and being brilliantly technical descent capable. The 
Jones 2.5 is the next bar on my list to try if needed, but so far, no need. And 
the look of the wavy is so much more pleasing to the eye, that I hesitate to 
add more industrial monstrosity to my index shifter. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: MTB Hunqapillar questions

[Bill Rhea]

+1 to the "Bosco Bullmoose Believers" list. Best damn handlebar I've ever 
had!  Got one of the first fillet brazed ones, and it's a freaking work of 
art, IMHO.

I like it so much I run an extra cable through it when I lock it up in the 
secure-entry bike garage at work!  #paranoid

My Hunqa is a 62 cm cousin to Marc's (grey/red, 1st gen). 

Though these days it is built in full commute/ / load hauling mode, I love 
swept-back bars for fire-trail bombing.  Only downside would be if you ride 
lots of super-steep, technical,  butt-over-the-seat, slow-mo downhill 
sections, in which case a more traditional MTB handlebar makes total sense. 
I encountered some slight slippage issues when riding  Albatrosses offroad 
with a 26.0 stem and shims, so the security of one piece stem/bars is a big 
plus to me.

Cheers,

-br





On Monday, April 29, 2019 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> All I can say is that I love the Bullmoose Boscos on my 54CM Hunq.  They 
> provide a huge range of positions and are plenty strong to take an off road 
> beating.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Sunday, April 28, 2019 at 9:14:33 PM UTC-4, maxcr wrote:
>>
>> I've been slowly working towards setting a new-to-me 58cm Hunqapillar 
>> that I picked up off ebay last fall as a mountain bike. 
>>
>> James at Analog Cycles is building some cliffhanger wheels, setup 
>> tubeless with 2.1 Thunderburts for me. I'm also upgrading the brakes to new 
>> Paul touring cantis. 
>>
>> Needless to say, I'm very excited about getting this bike ready for the 
>> warm months!
>>
>> The big question right now is whether to swap the cockpit or not - the 
>> bike is set up with Soma Portola handlebars which aren't the most 
>> comfortable for me. I feel stretched even though they are set up level with 
>> the saddle on a (w)right 0 stem. (I'm 5'11" with a 90.5 pbh, long arms, but 
>> short torso)
>>
>> So I'm asking for the collective wisdom of the RBW group to help me 
>> decide whether to go for a Wavie bar (why isn't there more chatter about 
>> these here?) or a more upright swept back position like this last-chance 
>> Boscomoose 
>> 
>>  or 
>> something similar?   
>>
>> What will be the best option to hit some single track and fire trails? 
>>
>> FYI I'm just getting started with mountain biking, so I'll probably start 
>> with the easy stuff, but want a machine that can grow with me.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: s-l16001.jpg]
>> *This is the ebay photo from when I bought it.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Amazing photos and journey, John. Thank you. Did you ever suss out what the 
purple bears or deer were up to?

Some of the most challenging ridable riding I've encountered is very narrow 
trail traversing long, steep slopes. How much is my vertigo I don't know, but I 
find depth difficult to discern on them, an they are hypnotic, making the 
little shifts and turns seem straight and vice-versa, then pedaling up them, 
when very narrow, requires riding the outer edge of the trail, with a scree 
drop-off waiting if I mess up. I saw some slopes in your photos are on a 
completely different scale than the ones I've ridden. Amazing! And that mud! 
Yowza! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Precisely. I have both the NoBS and Atlas, and they are identical as far as I 
can tell other than the slight breaking in period of the NoBS with the rim 
brakes. Very minor.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Velocity NoBS vs. Atlas?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

If I'm understanding correctly, it would appear the NoBS is the same 
extrusion as the Atlas but just lacking anodization/finish and eyelets.  My 
interpretation of this is viewing the NoBS simply as an unrefined and more 
affordable/budget friendly Atlas.  Are my assumptions accurate?  Am I 
missing something and are there possibly other differences?

NoBS rim descriptions discuss thicker spoke beds and thicker sidewalls... 
but not in direct comparison to Atlas and Atlas rim descriptions (on 
Velocity's pages, etc.) are otherwise lacking.

The NoBS/Atlas has found it's way onto my short list for rims to consider 
for a potential no-nonsense, custom built, multi-purpose, multi-bike, 
dyno-hubbed, new front wheel with future-proofness being greatly taken into 
consideration.

My thinking goes as follows:
I currently have 4 different frames that share the 700c wheel size (two 
newer/nicer frames including my 65cm Clem, and two older/fixer-upper/beater 
level frames.)  They all have the same 9x100 spec'd fork ends with stock 
forks although nicer frame #2 is involved in an ongoing one-off project 
that involves a more useful/versatile replacement fork with 12x100 thru 
axle and disc brake spec.

I've considered just buying a complete 'off the shelf' thru axle disc 
wheel to accommodate this particular conversion project and being done with 
it but at $150-200 minimum investment at the lower end of those wheel specs 
I'm reconsidering and debating just taking this opportunity to invest in a 
quality handbuilt dyno front wheel that could maybe be moved from bike to 
bike as I rotate them annually and/or seasonally. 

At first glance this wouldn't appear to make much sense with the differing 
hub and brake specs (9x100 vs 12x100 TA) but thanks to an adapter like this:
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/hubs/son-12-mm-thru-axle-adapter/
  
I'm wondering if building up a single dyno wheel with 12x100 thru axle hub 
with center lock disc and a rim that could be used with rim brakes could be 
more cost effective and space-concious in the long run and with an adapter 
as linked above it could easily transfer over to my Clem and two other 
frames if needed/desired?

I'm not 100% set on the above rims but considering the range of tires I'd 
want/need to fit among the 4 different frames (32mm up to 50+mm(Clem)) this 
rim width seems to offer the best compromise and tire size range.

I understand there are more details to consider, such as wiring/lights/etc. 
that would make moving the wheel from bike to bike more complicated and not 
just a 'quick swap', but my intent would not be to have all 4 dyno ready at 
the same time.  I'd initially dedicate the new disc forked project to the 
generator system (as this is also primarily meant to be a winter bike 
with more night time riding expected) but with the ability to move this all 
over to my Clem and beater bikes whenever needed or wanted, since I still 
like to tinker and try new builds on occasion.

I realize I ventured a little further from my initial question and topic 
but now you know most of what I'm thinking.  I'm basically trying to 
determine if choosing something like the NoBS offers most, if not all, of 
the benefits of an Atlas but by shaving off $30 (or more like $60 if 
compared to the fully polished Atlas) this could help offset the cost of 
the more costly hub (whether SON, Shimano, etc.)

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ
 

 
 

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[RBW] Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[Bill Schairer]

AMAZING!!

Those bridges would give me the heebie jeebies under any circumstance.

Bill S

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[Shoji Takahashi]

Many thanks for this write up and photo tour. Albas+Basket+Hunq: perfect 
for nearly all occasions. Just Ride (or walk+push), indeed.

shoji
Arlington MA



On Tuesday, April 30, 2019 at 9:26:49 AM UTC-4, John Rinker wrote:
>
> “Begin by drinking garlic juice immediately!” This was the first piece of 
> advice my new friend Sharad offered as we sat sipping coffee at Himalayan 
> Java in Thamel. I was preparing to cycle the Annapurna circuit, and 
> according to Sharad this was a sure way to avoid altitude sickness. 
> Michelle is always super supportive of my tours, but I figured this might 
> need some discussion. Or at least a courteous warning.
>
>
> “Don’t cycle near the edge. The dropping is very dangerous!” Even as new 
> friend, Sharad was already concerned with my safety.
>
>
> “And watch out for bears throwing stones!” Up to this point altitude 
> sickness had been my biggest concern. “Bears throwing stones?” I was 
> puzzled. “Yes, purple bears!” Hmm. I made a mental note to avoid what must 
> be very potent hashish in the mountains. “Purple bears!?” I pressed. “I 
> mean deers!” Sharad clarified. “The purple deers are on the mountains above 
> you and will knock down stones.” And so altitude sickness remained my 
> greatest concern.
>
>
> Riding a bicycle over a 5400 meter mountain pass (17,769 ft for those who 
> refuse to think metrically), or more likely pushing, carrying and dragging 
> it, was not something I’d ever really planned on doing- not a ‘bucket list’ 
> kind of thing for me. But I had just returned to Kathmandu from a wonderful 
> cycling adventure in New Zealand, and sitting around the apartment while 
> Michelle is working makes me stir-crazy. I went for a ride to Thamel, 
> ground-zero for trekkers in Kathmandu, and the bustle of excited travelers 
> preparing for their hikes in the Himalayas piqued my interest. I wondered 
> if anyone had ever cycled the Annapurna circuit. When I returned home, I 
> jumped on the interweb and discovered that people do it all the time. Woo 
> hoo! Within the week I had sound advice from Sharad, acquired my permits, 
> received blessings from Michelle, and was on a shuttle to Besishar, a town 
> about 140 km from Kathmandu and the traditional starting point of the 
> circuit.
>
>
> On foot the circuit is about 210 km in length as most people end in 
> Nayapul and shuttle to Pokhara. By bicycle, the ride is about 320 km with 
> about 7800m (26,000ft) of climbing. The road/track is the roughest I've 
> ridden anywhere. Period. It is rocky, muddy, potholed and a literal pain in 
> the arse. All of this, however, is mitigated by the incredible scenery, the 
> sense of adventure, the fascinating Buddhist relics, and the wonderful 
> Nepali people. The trekkers path is much better than the track, but there 
> are long sections of stone steps that require carrying the bike. I opted 
> for a combination. Once past Manang it is all path until crossing over the 
> pass and dropping into Muktinath. With the exception of a few sets of 
> stairs here and there, I was able to ride the entire way to Thorong Phedi, 
> about 6km and about 900m below the pass. The combination of steep terrain 
> and snow on the ascent to the pass and snowmelt and mud on the descent make 
> the final 6km up and about 10km down the other side are hike-a-bike at this 
> time of year.
>
>
> The night before I left High Camp to climb the last 600meters to the pass, 
> it snowed. As I set off in the early morning darkness under a crisp sky 
> speckled with stars, the moonlight shone off a fresh blanket of snow. 
> Thousands of individual snowflakes reflected the moon’s light and it was as 
> if stars themselves had fallen into the drifts. In the highest mountains 
> I’ve ever been, I couldn’t imagine a more perfect beginning to the day 
> ahead. 
>
>
> After about four and a half hours of carrying and rolling my Hunq, Sweet 
> As, over the fresh but trodden snow, I reached the pass. At 5416 meters it 
> is the highest elevation I've ever been. The air is truly rarified up 
> there, and looking down on some of the highest and largest mountains on the 
> planet was awe-inspiring, in the truest sense of the word. 
>
>
> Regarding the Riv, I'm not sure how many such bikes have been up there, 
> but it was, as you can imagine, in the eyes of many quite out of place. 
> 'That's not a real mountain bike!', exclaimed one German trekker. 'You're 
> going up there with THAT!?' was not an uncommon comment. But I think it was 
> the basket and the Albatross bars that really threw people for a loop. And 
> while many of the trekkers who pass me along the way as I plodded towards 
> the top were encouraging and truly delighted for me when I made it up to 
> the pass, I'm sure some were quite surprised that me and Sweet As made it. 
> As we all know, Rivs are amazing machines, highly capable to carrying us 
> and our gear to magnificent heights (and down again), and for my part I 
> never doubted 

[RBW] PSA Sellwood Cycle PDX Rivendell

[Jonathan D.]

One of my favorite shops in Portland that does not sell Bob Dylan records, 
Sellwood Cycle, has a beautiful yellow Rivendell for sale. 54.5 size. 

https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-road-bikes/products/54-5cm-rivendell

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[RBW] Re: F.S 56 cm. Simpleone

[Pondero]

I'm stunned this is still available.  Assuming it rides like the QB, it is 
delightful.  Buy it, and have a classy, gliding town and country bike!

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Chevoit or Clem jr L

[tc]

I like the looks of both. But if the Clem is more in your price range, search 
blue lug clem” in Google and tap images. Blue Lug does fantastic photo work 
advertising their bikes in my opinion. And they have great component and 
accessory ideas. There are some beautiful builds there, including Clem-Ls that 
look pretty, well, svelte!  Not all Clem’s have to have to have chunky tires, 
MTB bars...

Tom

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[RBW] Re: F.S 56 cm. Simpleone

[Steve Butcher]

Hi Forum,
Final bump and price drop on my Simpleone.  I'd let it go for $1000.00 
plus packing and shipping from 65804.  
Steve

On Friday, April 12, 2019 at 4:47:59 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Bump and price drop.  I'll drop my price to $1050.00 with packing and 
> shipping paid by purchaser.  If you (or have a close friend who lives in 
> the Kansas City or St. Louis area, we could arrange for a meet up for 
> delivery.  Please message me off list with questions.
> Steven Butcher
> Stockton, Missouri
>
> On Tuesday, April 2, 2019 at 4:18:28 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> I just posted three photos I came across of the S.O. I had taken for a 
>> fellow that has expressed interest.   They were done to show some pain 
>> imperfections.  The top tube photos shows some specks caused by Frame 
>> Saver.  The down tube and seat tube show very tiny paint chips but no rust 
>> or dents or dings.  Please DM me if you've questions to ask.  Steve
>>
>> On Friday, March 8, 2019 at 3:54:39 AM UTC-6, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm offering for sale my 56 cm. Simpleone complete.  I purchased the 
>>> frame second hand from a list member last Spring.  The frame is in 
>>> excellent condition with only a rare paint chip or scuff on the top tube 
>>> and down tube and nothing offensive.  After purchase I treated the frame 
>>> with Frame Saver then applied an exterior polish.  Always garage stored and 
>>> never wet.  The wheel set is Velocity A23 and velocity hubs and flip flop 
>>> rear hub. They were  hand built by my LBS.  Tires are creme Schwalbe Delta 
>>> Cruiser.  Build list:  Riv supplied headset, Nitto stem (i think 100mm) and 
>>> Nitto Noodle handlebars.  Brakes are Shimano cantis.  Crankset is a 44 
>>> tooth FSA and freewheel is an 18 tooth Shimano.  The saddle is a Brooks B17 
>>> Honey. The Pedals are MKS RMX.   Extras include a nitto front rack, 
>>> Sackville XS saddlebag, Sackville Sm front trunk bag, Pletcher kickstand, 
>>> and Planet Bike mudguards.  I think the yellow against the green Simpleone 
>>> looks neat but opinions may vary.  The reason I'm selling is that I have 
>>> several bikes so this one is not getting use and I need the space in my 
>>> garage, too.  I am wanting $1500.00 net for the package as described.  It 
>>> is somewhat negotiable if some of the extras are removed from the offer.   
>>> The buyer is to pay for my LBS to pack the bike and ship via Bike Flights.  
>>> Please send me a direct message off list if you have questions.  
>>>
>>> Thanks for looking
>>> -Steve Butcher
>>> Stockton, Missouri
>>>
>>> [image: 20190307_135516.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: 20190307_135532.jpeg]
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS Nitto Racks M12, Marks, R15

[Frank Brose]

No Love for the R-15? It's still available.
Frank

On Sunday, April 14, 2019 at 4:07:54 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> Yes it is.
> Frank
>
> On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 6:49:52 PM UTC-5, Edo wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, 4 April 2019 14:20:32 UTC-4, Frank Brose  wrote: 
>> > Marks Rack Sold 
>> > M12 Sold 
>> > 
>> > On Wednesday, April 3, 2019 at 3:20:09 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote: 
>> > I'm done. I have the racks on the bikes I need and ride so these are 
>> for sale. All in good shape with very little use. Prices include shipping 
>> in the CONUS.   
>> > Thanks, 
>> > Frank 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Nitto m12 been mounted so might require some minor adjustment for your 
>> application. $60 
>> > Nitto Marks all the hardware. Struts have been cut to 9cm and 27cm $100 
>> > Nitto R15 excellent condition with uncut struts $130 
>>
>> Hi 
>> Is your r15 still available 
>> Thanks 
>> Ed
>
>

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[RBW] WTB HT Alum 56 Albatross

[tc]

I picked up one of these several months ago when Riv had a “NOS” sale on them. 
If anyone has one to sell let me know - thanks. 

Tom

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[RBW] The Ultimate Brake Levers for an Albastache setup?

[tc]

Glad you got it worked out.  I had TRPs on my Noodled Roadini. When I tried the 
Albastache on it, the TRPs seemed fine; but the vertical mounting angle was key 
for reasons you mentioned. Ultimately I liked the inverted Albatross better 
since my brake levers are not in the bends, the downward angle is a little 
greater, which feels better to my wrists...and I am in the bends only 30ish % 
of the time anyway.  But it sounds like this fits you well - congrats. (I 
thought you sold your Roadini back in Feb - anyway, a new cockpit is almost 
like new bike day, eh?)

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mystery bike in April Blahg

[Joe Bernard]

It's expensive, but it's on a vehicle most of us use every day. It's always 
there and it works. 

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