date:20190606

I’m also one of those people who believes that bike reviews reveal much more 
about the reviewer than the bicycle. For what it’s worth

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Joe Starck Rivendell Custom

2019-06-06 Thread Keith Muller

Dave,

I live in Lawrence.  I own and operate CycleFix mobile bike repair.  We have 
two Rivs in our household(Hunqapillar and Cheviot).  I think at some point I 
would like to try and organize a RBW meetup Kansas edition.

Keith

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:12 PM, Dave Redmon  wrote:
> 
> Hey Keith--
> 
> Where are you in Kansas? We live in Manhattan and own two Rivendells--a Sam 
> Hillborne and a Clem Jr. Other Riv riders live in Lawrence and in Johnson 
> County.
> 
> Dave Redmon
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[RBW] Re: Roadeo to work

2019-06-06 Thread JohnS

Toshi,

Nice looking Roadeo! Is that a VO saddle? I purchased one, but I haven't 
tried to break it in yet, it seems really hard.

JohnS

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 6:10:58 PM UTC-4, ttoshi wrote:
>
> This ride report is late in the making, but this last Bike to work day in 
> May, I took the long way in with the Roadeo. I live in Oakland and work in 
> South San Francisco, and you can't get to San Francisco via the Bay bridge 
> on bike, so I went south to Fremont and crossed the Dumbarton bridge and 
> went past (and partook in) the huge Facebook and Oracle bike parties on my 
> way up the peninsula to SSF.
>
> I made the bike more commuter friendly with the small saddlesack and front 
> handlebar bag. It's about 60 miles and I was a bit tired for the workday, 
> but had a great time. I slept on the Ferry ride home!
>
> The Roadeo was fantastic! I hope to do it again next year.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

2019-06-06 Thread Patrick Moore

I have very distinct memories of the "feel" of certain bikes owned 10 or
more years ago; heck, even close to 30 years ago. That is, certain
qualities stood out when I rode them, and I remember those qualities now.
The memories do not at all make up a complete "handling evaluation;" my
point is that things stuck out and that I remember them today.

Example: The Fuji Royale "12 Speed" (that was written on the right chain
stay) from circa 1997-8. I don't recall how it handled unladen, except that
it handled badly with an old Carradice Boxy Bag on a Nitto bar holder with
~6 lb in a gusty crosswind, but I do recall that the handling distinctly
"mellowed" or became more docile with ~29 lb in rear panniers.

The 1991 Specialized Stumpjumper team bought 1991, no suspension: I noticed
the "neutral" quality of the handling compared to the 3 other mountain
bikes I'd owned and extensively ridden; and compared to the Performance Ti
mtb that replaced it -- silly, bought it because it was "ti" and "lite".

The 1958 Rene Herse, bought ~ 2010 that fit just right with a simple
adjustment of saddle height (60 X 56.5 or so c-c): The fit was magnificent;
for some reason the bike made me want to choose a 1-tooth smaller cog. All
that was very nice, But it didn't feel as nimble or as planted (both) as my
Rivs; one reason I sold this other wise very nice bike.

1989 Falcon bought 1990: I recall the disastrous handling when I built this
bike, with long stays and very short front center, with hugely front-biased
position: Flite all the way *forward* on rails (it would slip downward on
the Logic post until blue Loctite), and 140 mm stem. I guess it would have
been very nice had Grant set it up: bar up and back, saddle back and down.

1973 Motobecane bought ~ 2006: very light frameset compared to my Rivs, and
one of the best rear load carriers I've owned; odd; Tubus Fly, though;
stable under 35 lb in rear panniers; but somehow muted in its willingness
to go forward. I'd say the tires, IRC Tandems, 28s, but the same tires on
the Herse felt fast.

Oh, and the ancient Raleigh Technium sports tourer bought ~ 2003: heavy,
flexy, muted in changing direction (but not sluggish; just mellow); but oh
so mellow-ly soft with 32 mm Vittorias.

Early '90s Diamond back Axis Team bought ~ 2002, set up with 64" fixed
gear, 60 mm Big Apples, and Noodles: another very mellow and sweetly stable
bike (those are engineering terms), and a bb high enough with 60s that I
could pedal nicely around corners.

Etc. And I don't have the patience for the detailed analysis of handling
and build characteristics that contribute to this or that handling quality.
But I certainly recall distinct "feels" of bikes.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 5:47 PM M G  wrote:

> Could be. You 'can't relate'.  Like you, i've had lots of bikes; the
> memorable ones, i do remember quite well; whether or not that's 'refined
> sensibility' I dunno; and whether it's actual or just speculative;
> likewise, it don't matter - eventually we're all food for worms, so
> whatever works, works. Until then, as much time on the bike as possible,
> whether or not well remembered.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> "Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they ride
>> differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had"
>>
>> This is something to which I can't relate.  I can't do a comparison of
>> handling between a bike I'm riding today vs. a bike I rode years ago.  I
>> must not have the refined sensibilities or body memory to be capable of
>> such a thing.  It must be a common ability because a lot of people on these
>> boards seem able to do it: providing detailed and nuanced ride reports on
>> bikes they rode years or even decades previously.  I can't do that.  Maybe
>> people take notes in a bike diary?  Like wine people or whisky people?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:42:30 PM UTC-7, M G wrote:
>>>
>>> Good point re overall design; i agree; bad phrasing on my part.  I was
>>> curious what difference there was, if any.
>>>
>>> I suggested a friend get a Roadini (and he did) and we both love how it
>>> rides.  Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they
>>> ride differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had;
>>> and different than my wife's Riv mixte, which is likewise an older one.
>>> Though the mixte has some of the feel of the newer bikes.
>>>
>>> The tandem we have likewise has that feeling of tracking, yet quick to
>>> turn that the Roadini has - and yeah, it's oversimplification to attribute
>>> it to that one more obvious thing.  I picked up a BMC road frame as a
>>> stop-gap when the bike i ride the most needed a frame repair (i moved the
>>> parts over from it), and while i love how the BMC rides, the Roadini kinda
>>> got me thinking that would have been a good choice.
>>>
>>>  Further up [Bill] yr description of the BMC is goo

[RBW] Re: It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch

I get into sandals as soon as the weather warms up, and I do as much of my 
riding in them as possible. I rode D2R2 the last two years in sandals, but 
did not see anyone else. Maybe it's more West Coast. I tried Merrells for 
two seasons, both broke at the same place, so I will use the last credit 
for some non sandal Merrells. (This year's versions are also kinda ugly.) I 
recently ordered the Bedrocks in the 3D? I think they call it? Took a  bit 
to get used to the thong thing, but I  like these so far.

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 11:23:01 AM UTC-4, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for a?
>
> It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding 
> in sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong, 
> and at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe 
> loop.
>
> One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about 
> 10 years to disintegrate). 
>
> Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda 
> like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all 
> on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if 
> the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.
>
> What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around 
> town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and 
> especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking 
> (I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).
>

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[RBW] Joe Starck Rivendell Custom

2019-06-06 Thread Dave Redmon

Hey Keith--

Where are you in Kansas? We live in Manhattan and own two Rivendells--a Sam 
Hillborne and a Clem Jr. Other Riv riders live in Lawrence and in Johnson 
County.

Dave Redmon

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Stuff - Wheels SOMA/Shimano Ultegra - Gravel King Tires (38mm)

Photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/ByY2xtMlku8/?igshid=3oc7b7jjgj0h

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikepacking bags, Nitto, Honjo, XT & much more

2019-06-06 Thread Neil Doran

Dang, nice lot! Will the thumbies throw 8/9 speed in friction mode? If so, I 
want.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Stuff - Wheels SOMA/Shimano Ultegra - Gravel King Tires (38mm)

2019-06-06 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

David can you send me pics.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan
(616)928-4226

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

Could be. You 'can't relate'.  Like you, i've had lots of bikes; the 
memorable ones, i do remember quite well; whether or not that's 'refined 
sensibility' I dunno; and whether it's actual or just speculative; 
likewise, it don't matter - eventually we're all food for worms, so 
whatever works, works. Until then, as much time on the bike as possible, 
whether or not well remembered.



On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:35:53 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they ride 
> differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had"
>
> This is something to which I can't relate.  I can't do a comparison of 
> handling between a bike I'm riding today vs. a bike I rode years ago.  I 
> must not have the refined sensibilities or body memory to be capable of 
> such a thing.  It must be a common ability because a lot of people on these 
> boards seem able to do it: providing detailed and nuanced ride reports on 
> bikes they rode years or even decades previously.  I can't do that.  Maybe 
> people take notes in a bike diary?  Like wine people or whisky people?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:42:30 PM UTC-7, M G wrote:
>>
>> Good point re overall design; i agree; bad phrasing on my part.  I was 
>> curious what difference there was, if any. 
>>
>> I suggested a friend get a Roadini (and he did) and we both love how it 
>> rides.  Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they 
>> ride differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had; 
>> and different than my wife's Riv mixte, which is likewise an older one. 
>>  Though the mixte has some of the feel of the newer bikes. 
>>
>> The tandem we have likewise has that feeling of tracking, yet quick to 
>> turn that the Roadini has - and yeah, it's oversimplification to attribute 
>> it to that one more obvious thing.  I picked up a BMC road frame as a 
>> stop-gap when the bike i ride the most needed a frame repair (i moved the 
>> parts over from it), and while i love how the BMC rides, the Roadini kinda 
>> got me thinking that would have been a good choice.
>>
>>  Further up [Bill] yr description of the BMC is good; it's a quick, 
>> comfortable, well handling ride; my friends Roadini feels the same, ie 
>> quick and comfortable BUT - there is a singularity to it's handling that is 
>> obvious and great.  It feels smoother, and turning is different (and no, 
>> not 'planing')
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

"Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they ride 
differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had"

This is something to which I can't relate.  I can't do a comparison of 
handling between a bike I'm riding today vs. a bike I rode years ago.  I 
must not have the refined sensibilities or body memory to be capable of 
such a thing.  It must be a common ability because a lot of people on these 
boards seem able to do it: providing detailed and nuanced ride reports on 
bikes they rode years or even decades previously.  I can't do that.  Maybe 
people take notes in a bike diary?  Like wine people or whisky people?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:42:30 PM UTC-7, M G wrote:
>
> Good point re overall design; i agree; bad phrasing on my part.  I was 
> curious what difference there was, if any. 
>
> I suggested a friend get a Roadini (and he did) and we both love how it 
> rides.  Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they 
> ride differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had; 
> and different than my wife's Riv mixte, which is likewise an older one. 
>  Though the mixte has some of the feel of the newer bikes. 
>
> The tandem we have likewise has that feeling of tracking, yet quick to 
> turn that the Roadini has - and yeah, it's oversimplification to attribute 
> it to that one more obvious thing.  I picked up a BMC road frame as a 
> stop-gap when the bike i ride the most needed a frame repair (i moved the 
> parts over from it), and while i love how the BMC rides, the Roadini kinda 
> got me thinking that would have been a good choice.
>
>  Further up [Bill] yr description of the BMC is good; it's a quick, 
> comfortable, well handling ride; my friends Roadini feels the same, ie 
> quick and comfortable BUT - there is a singularity to it's handling that is 
> obvious and great.  It feels smoother, and turning is different (and no, 
> not 'planing')
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo to work

Great work Toshi!  I'm going to try to make time for a long Roadeo commute 
myself tomorrow.  

Bill


On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:10:58 PM UTC-7, ttoshi wrote:
>
> This ride report is late in the making, but this last Bike to work day in 
> May, I took the long way in with the Roadeo. I live in Oakland and work in 
> South San Francisco, and you can't get to San Francisco via the Bay bridge 
> on bike, so I went south to Fremont and crossed the Dumbarton bridge and 
> went past (and partook in) the huge Facebook and Oracle bike parties on my 
> way up the peninsula to SSF.
>
> I made the bike more commuter friendly with the small saddlesack and front 
> handlebar bag. It's about 60 miles and I was a bit tired for the workday, 
> but had a great time. I slept on the Ferry ride home!
>
> The Roadeo was fantastic! I hope to do it again next year.
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikepacking bags, Nitto, Honjo, XT & much more

2019-06-06 Thread ant ritchey

A few notes cuz I'm scatter-brained at the moment.

Aluminum Anything Cage is $20, Anything Bag is $20. Sold separately.

26" wheelset is rim brake, not disc.

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 3:25:31 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> Really trying to get down to the nitty gritty and ride! It's raining here 
> today so what a fine opportunity to use the break in the coming PDX summer 
> to get a few items listed!
> Don't have pics of most of this stuff yet but it's all sittin' right here 
> in font of me. Did my best to give accurate/detailed descriptions of the 
> various bits. Check it out:
>
> *BIKEPACKIN' stuff*
> *Salsa HD Anything Cages X 2,* w/ straps; light use only, excellent 
> condition. $45 for the pair
> *Salsa Anything Cage*; aluminum, w/o straps
> *Salsa Anything Bag*; light use only, excellent condition. $20
> *Revelate Tangle bag*; black, large (21" X 6.5"), p-cord zipper 
> disappeared, replaced with bright orange zip tie, great condition 
> otherwise. $50
>
> *ALLROAD-y stuff*
> *Fatty Rumpkin X 2*, a lil dirty, probably 65% tread left, worn but many 
> miles to go. $15/pair
> *Honjo H80 smooth fender set*, new & in packaging, for 650 X 42 or 26" x 
> 2.3 (Compass spec's 'em for both Baby Shoes & Rat Traps). $100/set
> *Uber classy/sturdy 26" wheelset*: polished Velocity Cliffhanger, 
> polished XT M730 hubs, DT Swiss double butted spokes; in excellent 
> condition, 32h f&r. $200
> *Microshift downtube shifters*, 8spd index/friction, good condition. $10
>
> *NITTO stuff*
> *Nitto Wavie bar*; 25.4 clamp. Yep, practically new. Some gunk from cork 
> & glue, excellent condition LOOOW miles. $80
> *Nitto // Specialized dirt drop quill stem*, 26.0 clamp, good condition. 
> $25
> *Nitto Moustache*; 25.4, heat treated, great condition. $25
>
> *VINTAGE XT & MTB*
> *LX M581 rear derailer,* long cage, easily accepts 36T cog, dirty, needs 
> new pulley wheels but still works. $20
> *XT M738 front derailer*, NEW, 28.6 clamp, top pull. $25
> *XT Deerhead M700 front derailer*, fair condition. $10
> Suntour XC Comp thumbshifters; 7 speed index/friction
> *XT M730 thumbshifters*, 7 speed index/friction, good condition. $20
> *XT canti brake & lever set*: $50 (add new kool stop pad set for $10)
> One whole bike's worth of levers, brakes & pads. Here's what ya get: 
> -M733 flat bar levers, black, great condition, w/ rubber barrel adj. 
> covers.
> -M732 canti's, front & rear, cleaned overhauled, great condition.
> -XT pads, good condition
> -stock straddle cables
>
> *ONE TINY BRIDGESTONE FRAMESET*
> A 1991 MB-3, 42cm, $65! Details here:
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/portland-1991-bridgestone-mb-3-42cm/6904646380.html
>
> *CAMPING & MISCELLANEOUS *
> *Trangia cookset*, the larger one, as sold by RBW, great condition. Bonus 
> 10oz Kleen Kanteen cup! $50
> *Tektro mountain/city levers,* "MT3.0", adjustable for canti &/or V 
> brakes, good condition. $15
> *Problem Solvers extra-wide cable hangers*, for better fender/tire 
> clearance, black. $5
> *Shimano QR front cable hanger*. $5
> *Smartwool PhD Cycle socks*, XL, grey w/ red accents. New-in-Packaging. $8
>
> Prices do not include shipping. Only interested in a few bits for trade; 
> nice 700c touring/mountain wheelset for rim brakes, 650b Cliffhanger rims, 
> M953 front mech, White Industries VBC crank 175mm, Sim Works Get Around, 
> Hunter Smooth Move High Rise, Sim Works Flat 65 fenders, SP/Schmidt dynamo 
> hub...
>
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> too. 724 757 9358
>
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[RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

Good point re overall design; i agree; bad phrasing on my part. I was
curious what difference there was, if any.

I suggested a friend get a Roadini (and he did) and we both love how it
rides. Having ridden a bunch of longer chainstay'd Rivs, I do feel they
ride differently than my [former] Saluki, and other older Rivs I've had;
and different than my wife's Riv mixte, which is likewise an older one.
Though the mixte has some of the feel of the newer bikes.

The tandem we have likewise has that feeling of tracking, yet quick to turn
that the Roadini has - and yeah, it's oversimplification to attribute it to
that one more obvious thing. I picked up a BMC road frame as a stop-gap
when the bike i ride the most needed a frame repair (i moved the parts over
from it), and while i love how the BMC rides, the Roadini kinda got me
thinking that would have been a good choice.

Further up [Bill] yr description of the BMC is good; it's a quick,
comfortable, well handling ride; my friends Roadini feels the same, ie
quick and comfortable BUT - there is a singularity to it's handling that is
obvious and great. It feels smoother, and turning is different (and no,
not 'planing')

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[RBW] FS: Bikepacking bags, Nitto, Honjo, XT & much more

2019-06-06 Thread ant ritchey

Really trying to get down to the nitty gritty and ride! It's raining here 
today so what a fine opportunity to use the break in the coming PDX summer 
to get a few items listed!
Don't have pics of most of this stuff yet but it's all sittin' right here 
in font of me. Did my best to give accurate/detailed descriptions of the 
various bits. Check it out:

*BIKEPACKIN' stuff*
*Salsa HD Anything Cages X 2,* w/ straps; light use only, excellent 
condition. $45 for the pair
*Salsa Anything Cage*; aluminum, w/o straps
*Salsa Anything Bag*; light use only, excellent condition. $20
*Revelate Tangle bag*; black, large (21" X 6.5"), p-cord zipper 
disappeared, replaced with bright orange zip tie, great condition 
otherwise. $50

*ALLROAD-y stuff*
*Fatty Rumpkin X 2*, a lil dirty, probably 65% tread left, worn but many 
miles to go. $15/pair
*Honjo H80 smooth fender set*, new & in packaging, for 650 X 42 or 26" x 
2.3 (Compass spec's 'em for both Baby Shoes & Rat Traps). $100/set
*Uber classy/sturdy 26" wheelset*: polished Velocity Cliffhanger, polished 
XT M730 hubs, DT Swiss double butted spokes; in excellent condition, 32h 
f&r. $200
*Microshift downtube shifters*, 8spd index/friction, good condition. $10

*NITTO stuff*
*Nitto Wavie bar*; 25.4 clamp. Yep, practically new. Some gunk from cork & 
glue, excellent condition LOOOW miles. $80
*Nitto // Specialized dirt drop quill stem*, 26.0 clamp, good condition. $25
*Nitto Moustache*; 25.4, heat treated, great condition. $25

*VINTAGE XT & MTB*
*LX M581 rear derailer,* long cage, easily accepts 36T cog, dirty, needs 
new pulley wheels but still works. $20
*XT M738 front derailer*, NEW, 28.6 clamp, top pull. $25
*XT Deerhead M700 front derailer*, fair condition. $10
Suntour XC Comp thumbshifters; 7 speed index/friction
*XT M730 thumbshifters*, 7 speed index/friction, good condition. $20
*XT canti brake & lever set*: $50 (add new kool stop pad set for $10)
One whole bike's worth of levers, brakes & pads. Here's what ya get: 
-M733 flat bar levers, black, great condition, w/ rubber barrel adj. covers.
-M732 canti's, front & rear, cleaned overhauled, great condition.
-XT pads, good condition
-stock straddle cables

*ONE TINY BRIDGESTONE FRAMESET*
A 1991 MB-3, 42cm, $65! Details here:
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/portland-1991-bridgestone-mb-3-42cm/6904646380.html

*CAMPING & MISCELLANEOUS *
*Trangia cookset*, the larger one, as sold by RBW, great condition. Bonus 
10oz Kleen Kanteen cup! $50
*Tektro mountain/city levers,* "MT3.0", adjustable for canti &/or V brakes, 
good condition. $15
*Problem Solvers extra-wide cable hangers*, for better fender/tire 
clearance, black. $5
*Shimano QR front cable hanger*. $5
*Smartwool PhD Cycle socks*, XL, grey w/ red accents. New-in-Packaging. $8

Prices do not include shipping. Only interested in a few bits for trade; 
nice 700c touring/mountain wheelset for rim brakes, 650b Cliffhanger rims, 
M953 front mech, White Industries VBC crank 175mm, Sim Works Get Around, 
Hunter Smooth Move High Rise, Sim Works Flat 65 fenders, SP/Schmidt dynamo 
hub...

Text is best for inquiring after an item or a photo of it but email's cool 
too. 724 757 9358

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[RBW] Re: It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch

I prefer the Keen Clearwater sandals, they're about half the weight of the 
Newports: https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-CLEARWATER-CNX.html

-Eric

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 11:46:24 AM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>
> Keen Newport leather sandals: 
> https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-NEWPORT.html
> I live in these from May through September. Socks fit nicely as well.
> Best wishes,
> Erl
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Re: [RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread Jeff Lesperance

I wear Keen Newport sandals - I have a pair in leather and a pair with the
nylon straps (I think it's the Newport H2 model). I like these for
cycling/adventuring because they have good toe protection, can be adjusted
fairly easily for fit, and they have a decent tread for hiking when
cycling-based adventures turn into a different type of foot power.

I've worn the leather and the nylon ones in a few rivers and streams and
they both dry out just fine and I've appreciated the stable footing and the
ability to snug them down so that they won't get pulled off my feet. On the
downside, they are bit clunky and heavy - it's not noticeable on the bike,
but in comparison to many other sandals that trend toward minimalistic
designs, these are a bit hefty.

I wear them year round in the DC metro area - when it gets cold, they get
paired up with wool socks of varying thickness as appropriate, and being
that they are a bit closed compared to other sandals, they pair fairly well
with socks.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:23 AM Neil Doran  wrote:

> Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for an updated sandal
> discussion?
>
> It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding
> in sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong,
> and at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe
> loop.
>
> One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about
> 10 years to disintegrate).
>
> Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda
> like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all
> on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if
> the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.
>
> What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around
> town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and
> especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking
> (I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).
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[RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread WETH

Keen Newport leather sandals: https://www.keenfootwear.com/p/M-NEWPORT.html
I live in these from May through September. Socks fit nicely as well.
Best wishes,
Erl

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

It is natural for people to think they can isolate out one variable and 
make some isolated statement about the effect of that variable, in 
isolation, on the behavior of that system.  In the case of bicycle frame 
design, I believe that people are wrong about that.  The handling of the 
Roadini and the Roadeo is the same, because they were designed by a bicycle 
designer named Grant Petersen to handle the same.  Grant knows better than 
anyone on this board and a lot better than me that frame design is 
complex.  It's possible to design a slow handling bike with short 
chainstays and a fast handling bike with long chainstays.  Anybody who 
tells you that they know how a bike handles from its chainstay length 
doesn't know what they are talking about.  The most anybody can say is "I 
rode Bike X with long chainstays, and it was a dog"  It would be an 
ignorant leap to then conclude "That Rivendell I've never ridden must be a 
dog because it has long chainstays".  

The Leo Roadini and the Roadeo are both excellent road bikes that handle 
the same and are equally comfortable and stable.  The Leo Roadini is more 
evolved in appearance, and the Roadeo is more traditional and classic in 
appearance.  More welds and fewer lugs make the Roadini look like it is 
more welded and less lugged.  The Roadeo has a two tone paint job, and 
might be close to a full pound lighter.  It is much much harder to get the 
bars up on the Roadeo.  The Roadeo can't take a light rear rack.  The 
Roadeo lacks downtube shifter bosses (on mine and almost all the time).  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 10:11:00 AM UTC-7, M G wrote:
>
> Yes indeed, what's the difference between it and the Roadini (longer 
> chainstays on Roadini = change in handling / how?)
>
> On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:05:23 AM UTC-4, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>> I've been waiting for you to get a Roadeo so we can get a full write up 
>> and comparison with your old (now for sale) Roadini!
>>
>> Enjoy and also FULLY APPROVE!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650b Stuff - Wheels SOMA/Shimano Ultegra - Gravel King Tires (38mm)

Not at the moment - have plenty of 700c extras too!

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 12:20:25 PM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:
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> Any interest in a trade for 700c wheels and tires?  

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[RBW] FS: 650b Stuff - Wheels SOMA/Shimano Ultegra - Gravel King Tires (38mm)

2019-06-06 Thread Jonathan D.

Any interest in a trade for 700c wheels and tires?  

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[RBW] Re: It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread Neil Doran

Statrixbob - I am also the occasional fan of socks n' sandals, especially 
during S24Os or similar applications! The toe strap version of Chacos can 
accommodate that (just don't use the toe loop), but it messes up the 
adjustment.

Steven, those Arubas look nifty! Great toe protection with Keens, very good 
for being in the river. I am a huge fan of slip-ons of all types, and these 
look great for riding. But I think I would miss the security of the heel 
strap for any sort of trail walking.


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[RBW] Re: New-to-me: 59cm Roadeo

Yes indeed, what's the difference between it and the Roadini (longer 
chainstays on Roadini = change in handling / how?)

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> I've been waiting for you to get a Roadeo so we can get a full write up 
> and comparison with your old (now for sale) Roadini!
>
> Enjoy and also FULLY APPROVE!
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[RBW] FS: 650b Stuff - Wheels SOMA/Shimano Ultegra - Gravel King Tires (38mm)

Was going to use these to 650b-convert my Redwood, but think I'll go with 
36h wheels or might just stick with 700c.

For sale...

650b Wheelset
Soma Weymouth Rims - Polished Silver
Shimano Ultegra Hubs - Silver (Polished Finish) - 32 - 10-speed
Sapim stainless steel spokes.
No skewers.

Straight and true. Lightly used condition, some minor scuffs but nothing 
extensive. Can send photos.
$225 plus shipping.

Panaracer Gravel King Tires
650b, 1.5"/38mm 
Lightly used, lots of tread.
$40 plus shipping

Wheelset and tires together and I'll throw in tubes - $250 plus shipping.

Contact offlist if interested.
Paypal for payment please.
Local pickup in Chicagoland would be nice - can travel to meet.

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Re: [RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread 'Steven Seelig' via RBW Owners Bunch

I'm mostly an urban rider with sandals, so my rides are more like 20 miles 
and under.  I'm a big fan of these Keen Arubas 

 because 
they have no back strap to chafe.  Since pedaling without clips is pretty 
much a forward motion, having just the front part as coverage, and pretty 
solid coverage at that, works well for me.

I tend to wear these all the time during summer.  I would say the tread 
lasts a year or so.  After awhile the mid part of the sole tends to get 
softer and softer so that when you step on a rock you can really feel it.  

Steve Seelig, DC

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 11:54:40 AM UTC-4, Statrixbob wrote:
>
> I still wear Tevas. Based on the suggestions (Bedrocks and Chacos so far), 
> I'd opt for the Chacos with no toe loop. I generally wear socks with 
> sandals (yeah, I know), especially on long rides where the straps can rub 
> on skin and create problems. With that bit between my toes socks would be 
> out, unless I switched to tabi style socks (with a toe)...which is a 
> thought.
>
> The Tevas I use tend to last a couple of years. They'd probably last 
> longer if I didn't wear them for everything else as well...which reminds 
> me...I need to order a new pair.:-)
>
> Aloha!
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 5:23 AM Neil Doran  > wrote:
>
>> Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for an updated sandal 
>> discussion?
>>
>> It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding 
>> in sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong, 
>> and at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe 
>> loop.
>>
>> One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about 
>> 10 years to disintegrate). 
>>
>> Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda 
>> like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all 
>> on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if 
>> the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.
>>
>> What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and 
>> around town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while 
>> fishing, and especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes 
>> while backpacking (I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).
>>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Flare bars, IRD combo sorta-brifters, 0° stem

2019-06-06 Thread Joe Bernard

Bump. $70 bars, $150 levers. 

Hopefully you'll actually get 'em, the stem I sold got stolen out of the 
package and I had to refund payment. That was a rare stem, man!

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[RBW] Blahg post of 6/4

2019-06-06 Thread Patrick Moore

Interesting."Labrick." That is a new one. I rather sense that it is the
19th century American equivalent of this: https://youtu.be/XcxKIJTb3Hg?t=57

"Manky Scots git!"

Horses: Bashkazi, the Afghan national sport (you'd think so, right?), a
sort of polo using a headless goat carcase instead of ball and mallet.

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Re: [RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread Robert F. Harrison

I still wear Tevas. Based on the suggestions (Bedrocks and Chacos so far),
I'd opt for the Chacos with no toe loop. I generally wear socks with
sandals (yeah, I know), especially on long rides where the straps can rub
on skin and create problems. With that bit between my toes socks would be
out, unless I switched to tabi style socks (with a toe)...which is a
thought.

The Tevas I use tend to last a couple of years. They'd probably last longer
if I didn't wear them for everything else as well...which reminds me...I
need to order a new pair.:-)

Aloha!

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 5:23 AM Neil Doran  wrote:

> Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for an updated sandal
> discussion?
>
> It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding
> in sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong,
> and at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe
> loop.
>
> One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about
> 10 years to disintegrate).
>
> Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda
> like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all
> on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if
> the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.
>
> What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around
> town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and
> especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking
> (I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).
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[RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread Drw

I prefer the bedrocks to the chacos. The sole is much thinner but still plenty 
adequate for all sorts of activities. I also find the rubber material and less 
strap coverage of the bedrocks make them more comfortable for me.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Yves Gomez - $975 - F/F/HS plus shipping

2019-06-06 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Saddle height in photos is ~83cm.

On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 8:53:02 AM UTC-5, stoker wrote:
>
> Nice bike - what is the saddle height in the pics?

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[RBW] It is summer: updated sandal discussion?

2019-06-06 Thread Neil Doran

Just read the thread from 2014 - 2016...is it time for an updated sandal
discussion?

It's officially summer here in the low foothills, and I'm back to riding in
sandals. My 3-year-old Chacos (with toe loop) are still going strong, and
at this rate they may never die, but I really don't care for the toe loop.

One option is new Chacos without toe loop (had 'em, loved 'em, took about
10 years to disintegrate).

Also been eyeballing the Bedrock units for a couple o' years now...kinda
like that I could go check them out in person in Richmond and try 'em all
on. They look thinner (and lighter) than Chacos (good!), but wondering if
the toe thong might bug me as much as the Chaco toe loop.

What are people wearing these days? My ideal use is on the bike and around
town...bonus points if they would be good for wet-wading while fishing, and
especially if they were light enough to act as camp shoes while backpacking
(I find the Chacos weight-prohibitive for this purpose).

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Re: [RBW] FS: Last Chance Appas! Joe Appaloosa 55 & 58 completes, 58 drop and choco complete Sams

55cm Joe is sold 😊

On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 3:07:38 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus 
Bicycles wrote:
>
> 58cm Choco caliper Sam is sold 👍🏼

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Re: [RBW] RD compatible with index shifters?

2019-06-06 Thread Melanie

Thanks to Bill, Joe B., and the other participants on this thread I was able to 
fix the same problem Dave was having. It took no time at all. Too bad I wasted 
a couple of hours on the issue before reading the thread. 
Melanie 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Yves Gomez - $975 - F/F/HS plus shipping

2019-06-06 Thread stoker

Nice bike - what is the saddle height in the pics?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Yves Gomez - $975 - F/F/HS plus shipping

Bumping this - now $940 plus shipping.

On Tuesday, May 28, 2019 at 10:57:38 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> With reluctance, I am downsizing my bike fleet, sticking with my Clem, 
> Redwood, and adding a folding bike to complement my train commutes.
> I'm finally getting around to selling a 62cm Trek 850 with great 
> reluctance as well (apologies if you've inquired about that one and I never 
> responded).
> Might regret this but selling a couple framesets...
>
> 60cm Yves Gomez
> This frame fits like a much larger bike, with a taller headtube than the 
> previous 62cm version.
> Paint has scuffs from locking up but no major dents/dings/&c.
> Selling as a frameset including frame/fork/headset.
>
> $975 plus shipping. Paypal for payment - regular is fine, though 
> friends/family would be preferred.
> Contact off-list if interested please.
>
> I have other parts available, including a set of 700c wheels (Shimano/Sun 
> Rhyno Lite) and pretty much everything to build this up as a complete.
>
> Some photos here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BvIBF2MA_L8/
> And here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BpNjRXoFR34/
> And here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BpfTaowhqHT/
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[RBW] FS: Tektro CR-720 Brakes - Polished Silver - F/R Set - $30 plus shipping.

Starting a full garage purge, somehow I have 3 sets of these laying around.

So...

Tektro CR-720 Brakes
Polished silver finish.
Lightly used, very nice condition.
Complete bike, front and rear.
Includes all parts needed. 
Straddle yokes may or may not have had the straddle cable set bolts removed 
(the little bolts in the actual yoke/hanger).

$30 plus shipping.
Paypal for payment please. 
Contact offlist if interested.
3 sets available.
Thanks!
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell tandem builds