[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ed Carolipio]

> "This is part of the reason I would not sully a nice bike with a motor;"

Thanks for nailing that for me, masmojo. I had been side-eying my Clem for 
motor, and now realize that's the reason why my lizard brain didn't want me 
to do it.

I wouldn't want the CHG to be an e-bike (just to loop back to the topic) 
but like you all I'm struggling to figure out what niche it would fill 
amongst their offerings.

--Ed C.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Hey Mark, I was thinking the same thing but I only know what google maps thinks 
is the right route to Poughkeepsie. Is there one clearly favorable route? 
Mostly rail trail? And concerns with catching that last 9:45 train... how long 
might that ride take moving at a spirited yet leisurely pace? Clearly I need to 
do some research, but if you wouldn't mind sharing your thoughts.
Thanks
-Kai 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Sky Coulter]

I’m with Matt. Anyone have a 61cm atlantis frameset in that ballpark, i’d be a 
happy new owner.

Sky in new west

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 7:50 PM, Matt Beecher  wrote:
> 
> $700?!?!  Anybody got a 58 for sale?  I’d gladly pay that for a used f/f/hs.
> 
> Best regards,
> Matt Beecher
> Oswego, IL
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[RBW] FS - quality 27" wheelset - Phil Wood/Weylss/Super Champion

[Wayne Naha]

Interested!

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[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Matt Beecher]

$700?!?!  Anybody got a 58 for sale?  I’d gladly pay that for a used f/f/hs.

Best regards,
Matt Beecher
Oswego, IL

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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Good point, No need to adopt such terminology!  I wear one when I wear one and 
don’t when I don’t.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot Wool Sweater Preorder - Anyone In?

[Mark Roland]

It's like a form of anticipation, but as an adult, you can't hold that 
anticipation nearly as long; anticipating for weeks the last day of school, 
the night before Christmas. Remember when it was "4-6 weeks for delivery" 
for stuff on the back of the cereal box? But we don't have time for 
anticipation any more. And anyway, there's probably an app to do it for us.

Or maybe it's more like finding a twenty in the suit jacket you haven't 
worn since the last wedding...or, at my age, funeral.


On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 9:40:10 PM UTC-4, David Bivins wrote:
>
> Mark gets the credit for the tip! I can only take credit for the 
> time-traveling memory loss thing.
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Sean McAtee  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all of your comments.  I placed my pre-order this morning.  I 
>> will now eagerly await the next tidbit from RBW about this project.
>>
>> David - great tip about adding $30 to the order to get free shipping.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:27 PM David Bivins > > wrote:
>>
>>> Excellent point, Mark. I pre-ordered mine the other day. 
>>>
>>> I love pre-orders. It's like a gift I sent to myself from the past, 
>>> because I've usually forgotten that I ordered it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM Mark Roland >> > wrote:
>>>
 From the insider intel I received when reserving mine today, they have 
 over 200 pre-ordered, so looks like these will be definitely happening. My 
 once a year clothing indulgence (long underwear excepted). Remember, add 
 another 30 bucks to your order when they come in but before they go out 
 and 
 get free shipping. Good time for the Riv sundries with the holidays 
 approaching!

 On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:52:28 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
 Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> To be honest the description and color didn’t sound appealing to me.  
> However, regret is a bitter pill to swallowso I ordered anyway.  
> Looking forward to being pleasantly surprised and it’s always nice to 
> have 
> something on the horizon. 
>
> Alex 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot Wool Sweater Preorder - Anyone In?

[David Bivins]

Mark gets the credit for the tip! I can only take credit for the
time-traveling memory loss thing.

On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 5:11 PM Sean McAtee  wrote:

> Thanks for all of your comments.  I placed my pre-order this morning.  I
> will now eagerly await the next tidbit from RBW about this project.
>
> David - great tip about adding $30 to the order to get free shipping.
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:27 PM David Bivins  wrote:
>
>> Excellent point, Mark. I pre-ordered mine the other day.
>>
>> I love pre-orders. It's like a gift I sent to myself from the past,
>> because I've usually forgotten that I ordered it.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM Mark Roland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From the insider intel I received when reserving mine today, they have
>>> over 200 pre-ordered, so looks like these will be definitely happening. My
>>> once a year clothing indulgence (long underwear excepted). Remember, add
>>> another 30 bucks to your order when they come in but before they go out and
>>> get free shipping. Good time for the Riv sundries with the holidays
>>> approaching!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:52:28 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner,
>>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

 To be honest the description and color didn’t sound appealing to me.
 However, regret is a bitter pill to swallowso I ordered anyway.
 Looking forward to being pleasantly surprised and it’s always nice to have
 something on the horizon.

 Alex
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I’m trying to get Curtis over for a fireside beer at Sam Pryor Saturday...could 
work out.

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Ben Obrien]

thanks for the helmet reminder, Mark, i always wear one but was curious 
about going 'free' 

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 8:20:29 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> My camp bike and camp gear are unavailable at the moment, so my plan is to 
> ride to the campground Saturday morning via back roads from Beacon, do the 
> ride, hang out, then its a few more miles over the Walkway to the 
> Poughkeepsie train station, where MetroNorth will take you as far south as 
> NYC. (Or, Alex, I will hitch a ride back to Beacon with you if you are 
> planning to visit family;^)
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:43:18 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>> And a reminder for those of us who still believe in free will for 
>> headgear options, helmets are mandatory for one or both of these park 
>> areas. So, bring a helmet.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not on the Facebook so I can’t post but we can gather on the lawn 
>>> between the parking lot and the lake.  I will grab a picnic table where you 
>>> can see from the parking lot. Early arrivals will be able to park on top, I 
>>> would think that we picked a weekend between summer and leaf peeping so not 
>>> so crowded. Where or how do I drop a pin? 
>>>
>>> so when ya get parked, just make your way over towards the grassy area 
>>> between the parking lots and the lake, I will try to scope out a picnic 
>>> table or 2. 
>>>
>>> in the mornings, its generally dog walkers and hikers so it should be 
>>> all good. Once a few of us find each other, it will become obvious 
>>>
>>> one helpful thing to print or download is the park map, but they 
>>> probably have them at the gate.
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19/09/2019 10:38 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
>>> Yah! 
>>>  
>>> Spencer, since there are so many parking lot optionscan you drop a 
>>> pin where you will be waiting and we'll make that the official 11am 
>>> meet-up/departure spot.
>>>  
>>> If you can post here and Facebook that would be spectacular.
>>>  
>>> Thanks!!
>>>  
>>> -Alex
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
>>> wrote: 

 I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the 
 Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can 
 park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other lot 
 that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the main 
 entrance).

 The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up. 
 Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the 
 nice 
 walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to go up 
 the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller coaster, 
 you 
 gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down 
 enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell service 
 for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route here.

 https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799

 At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on 
 a orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers 
 and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the very 
 top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang out up 
 on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and waiting on 
 the fog to clear... it will be good!

 Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway, 
 you will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a 
 college town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks! 
 then continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska.

 Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other 
 riding, there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and 
 south, some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from town 
 will connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not to be 
 missed to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge, really nice 
 and this trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved. 

 For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and 
 road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that 
 the 
 carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride.

 Spencer


  

 On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

 Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit 
 and then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 
 10am 
 so you're sure to get a parking spot.

 


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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

Thanks for your story of your evolution. Makes sense. But why be "pro 
helmet?" Why not just choose to wear one, whether for yourself or as an 
example?

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 5:07:21 PM UTC-4, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
wrote:
>
> ...Between the good fit plus extra light for night time riding, and 
> wanting to lead by example for my son who we also make wear a helmet at 2 
> years I've become pro-helmet, even if somewhat begrudgingly. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Helmets (again)

[Mark Roland]

Better get your say in now. The moderator will be deleting this thread when 
it is spotted.  The last one was a little more nuanced. Here I feel I'm 
being beaten over the head with statistics. 40,000 people die in their cars 
every year, countless others are injured. Will you be giving up your car? 
Not letting your kid learn to drive? Almost 6000 pedestrians were killed by 
cars in 2015. Should all pedestrians wear full body armor? 

Why is it that the greater the percentage of traffic that is by bike in a 
particular place, the less likely it is people will be wearing helmets? 
Since it's not currently a law in most places for adults to wear one, why 
do people feel the need or the right to tell others what to do, or to make 
moral judgements? Just curious.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 10:18:20 AM UTC-4, SeanMac wrote:
>
> I certainly do not want to start (another) helmet war, however I recently 
> stumbled on an interesting article in the Washington Post about helmets and 
> cycling injuries
>
> Only 22 percent of bicyclists in severe accidents were wearing helmets. 
> 
>
> The story is rather short, but this is the key line to me:
>
> "Bicyclists who were wearing helmets when accidents occurred generally had 
> less severe injuries, spent less time hospitalized, including shorter stays 
> in intensive care, and were less likely to have died as a result of the 
> accident, according to researchers’ analysis of the data 
> , 
> published in the journal Brain Injury."
>
> Sean
> Buffalo, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Mark Roland]

My camp bike and camp gear are unavailable at the moment, so my plan is to 
ride to the campground Saturday morning via back roads from Beacon, do the 
ride, hang out, then its a few more miles over the Walkway to the 
Poughkeepsie train station, where MetroNorth will take you as far south as 
NYC. (Or, Alex, I will hitch a ride back to Beacon with you if you are 
planning to visit family;^)

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 7:43:18 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> And a reminder for those of us who still believe in free will for headgear 
> options, helmets are mandatory for one or both of these park areas. So, 
> bring a helmet.
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
> wrote:
>>
>> I am not on the Facebook so I can’t post but we can gather on the lawn 
>> between the parking lot and the lake.  I will grab a picnic table where you 
>> can see from the parking lot. Early arrivals will be able to park on top, I 
>> would think that we picked a weekend between summer and leaf peeping so not 
>> so crowded. Where or how do I drop a pin? 
>>
>> so when ya get parked, just make your way over towards the grassy area 
>> between the parking lots and the lake, I will try to scope out a picnic 
>> table or 2. 
>>
>> in the mornings, its generally dog walkers and hikers so it should be all 
>> good. Once a few of us find each other, it will become obvious 
>>
>> one helpful thing to print or download is the park map, but they probably 
>> have them at the gate.
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> On 19/09/2019 10:38 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> Yah! 
>>  
>> Spencer, since there are so many parking lot optionscan you drop a 
>> pin where you will be waiting and we'll make that the official 11am 
>> meet-up/departure spot.
>>  
>> If you can post here and Facebook that would be spectacular.
>>  
>> Thanks!!
>>  
>> -Alex
>>
>> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
>> wrote: 
>>>
>>> I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the 
>>> Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can 
>>> park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other lot 
>>> that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the main 
>>> entrance).
>>>
>>> The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up. 
>>> Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the nice 
>>> walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to go up 
>>> the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller coaster, you 
>>> gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down 
>>> enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell service 
>>> for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route here.
>>>
>>> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799
>>>
>>> At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on a 
>>> orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers 
>>> and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the very 
>>> top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang out up 
>>> on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and waiting on 
>>> the fog to clear... it will be good!
>>>
>>> Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway, 
>>> you will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a 
>>> college town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks! 
>>> then continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska.
>>>
>>> Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other 
>>> riding, there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and 
>>> south, some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from town 
>>> will connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not to be 
>>> missed to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge, really nice 
>>> and this trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved. 
>>>
>>> For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and 
>>> road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that the 
>>> carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride.
>>>
>>> Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit 
>>> and then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am 
>>> so you're sure to get a parking spot.
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Selling a frame

[Adam Leibow]

sell as-is. for reference i just sold a toyo atlantis ffhs in seemingly 
similar shape as yours for $700. 

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 6:50:27 PM UTC-7, John Aydelotte wrote:
>
> Question for the group:
>
> After 10+ years, I have decided to part with my Atlantis.  Many reasons, 
> most of which I won't go into here, but this 56cm frame has always been 
> JUST a bit too small for me.  I recently rode a bicycle which fit like a 
> glove and realized what I'd been missing.
>
> Here's the question.  Many of the parts are worn - I have ridden the heck 
> out of this thing for years, as a commuter, randonneur, utility bike...you 
> name it.  I'm keeping the racks, moving the wheels to other bikes.  So this 
> is just a frame.  Should I paint and sell, or sell as-is?
>
> This frame has a fair amount of what Grant calls "beausage".  Scratches, 
> surface rust, nicks, rubs, etc...  No significant damage.  The 
> perfectionist in me wants to send it to Riv, have them paint it, and then 
> sell.  My practical side thinks I won't recoup the cost in the final 
> price.  Someone may not care about the wear-and-tear and may even want to 
> paint it a different color.
>
> What's the group consensus - sell as-is, or get it showroom-ready?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Mark Roland]

And a reminder for those of us who still believe in free will for headgear 
options, helmets are mandatory for one or both of these park areas. So, 
bring a helmet.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:02:06 PM UTC-4, spencer robinson wrote:
>
> I am not on the Facebook so I can’t post but we can gather on the lawn 
> between the parking lot and the lake.  I will grab a picnic table where you 
> can see from the parking lot. Early arrivals will be able to park on top, I 
> would think that we picked a weekend between summer and leaf peeping so not 
> so crowded. Where or how do I drop a pin? 
>
> so when ya get parked, just make your way over towards the grassy area 
> between the parking lots and the lake, I will try to scope out a picnic 
> table or 2. 
>
> in the mornings, its generally dog walkers and hikers so it should be all 
> good. Once a few of us find each other, it will become obvious 
>
> one helpful thing to print or download is the park map, but they probably 
> have them at the gate.
>
>
>  
>
>
> On 19/09/2019 10:38 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Yah! 
>  
> Spencer, since there are so many parking lot optionscan you drop a pin 
> where you will be waiting and we'll make that the official 11am 
> meet-up/departure spot.
>  
> If you can post here and Facebook that would be spectacular.
>  
> Thanks!!
>  
> -Alex
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
> wrote: 
>>
>> I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the 
>> Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can 
>> park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other lot 
>> that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the main 
>> entrance).
>>
>> The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up. 
>> Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the nice 
>> walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to go up 
>> the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller coaster, you 
>> gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down 
>> enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell service 
>> for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route here.
>>
>> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799
>>
>> At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on a 
>> orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers 
>> and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the very 
>> top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang out up 
>> on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and waiting on 
>> the fog to clear... it will be good!
>>
>> Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway, you 
>> will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a college 
>> town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks! then 
>> continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska.
>>
>> Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other 
>> riding, there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and 
>> south, some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from town 
>> will connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not to be 
>> missed to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge, really nice 
>> and this trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved. 
>>
>> For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and 
>> road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that the 
>> carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride.
>>
>> Spencer
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>> On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>
>> Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and 
>> then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so 
>> you're sure to get a parking spot.
>>
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike Rear View Mirrors

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:57:00 AM UTC-7, eddietheflay wrote:
>
> me too. same mirror. go walking and think I can see behind me...but I 
> can't...unless I go full dork all the time.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot Wool Sweater Preorder - Anyone In?

[Sean McAtee]

Thanks for all of your comments.  I placed my pre-order this morning.  I
will now eagerly await the next tidbit from RBW about this project.

David - great tip about adding $30 to the order to get free shipping.

Cheers,
Sean



On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 11:27 PM David Bivins  wrote:

> Excellent point, Mark. I pre-ordered mine the other day.
>
> I love pre-orders. It's like a gift I sent to myself from the past,
> because I've usually forgotten that I ordered it.
>
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:41 PM Mark Roland 
> wrote:
>
>> From the insider intel I received when reserving mine today, they have
>> over 200 pre-ordered, so looks like these will be definitely happening. My
>> once a year clothing indulgence (long underwear excepted). Remember, add
>> another 30 bucks to your order when they come in but before they go out and
>> get free shipping. Good time for the Riv sundries with the holidays
>> approaching!
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 2:52:28 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner,
>> Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>>>
>>> To be honest the description and color didn’t sound appealing to me.
>>> However, regret is a bitter pill to swallowso I ordered anyway.
>>> Looking forward to being pleasantly surprised and it’s always nice to have
>>> something on the horizon.
>>>
>>> Alex
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[RBW] Re: Which kind of shellac "flakes" do you use for cotton tape? Seed, button, flake, or dewaxed???

[John Phillips]

Hi Mat,

 Funny, I didn't notice you had expressed the cut in a ratio, I just 
read your meaning and knew what you were talking about. Thanks for sharing 
your experience with layering Newbaum's and shellac penetration, that's a 
big help. I'll stick with a 1 lb to 1.5 lb cut for the first few 
applications to make sure the first layer gets its share of shellac. I've 
seen twine shellac'ed with a 3 lb cut which didn't penetrate the twine at 
all and flaked off within a month's use. I'm doing all this on albatross 
bars with bar end shifters, so I'm planning on taping from shifter to brake 
lever, then from brake lever toward the stem.

   I have a tan leather saddle, so I'm planning on taping with either 
copper or burnt orange Newbaum's shellac'ed with amber-caramel Kusmi #1 
buttom lac. I almost went with a warm dark brown button lac paired with 
chocolate Newbaum's, but then I would have convince my wife I needed a a 
new brown or black Berthoud saddle. That really wouldn't go over too well. 
;-)

I may try your idea of reverse wrapping the bottom layer of Newbaum's, 
at least between shifters and brake levers, sounds interesting!

Thanks again for all your info,

John

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-7, Mat Grewe wrote:
>
> Right, the cut is in pounds, not ratios, my bad..  Anyway, I had two 
> layers of Newbaum's (outer layer shellaced a few times over a year or two) 
> that I unwrapped this summer and I found out that the shellac did not 
> saturate through to the bottom layer.  I rode in the rain frequently and it 
> was not compromised in any way so I don't think there is a need to try to 
> saturate that under layer.  My first shellac job I did a 1.5 pound cut, and 
> that was pretty thin, but not overly so and could be good for a first 
> timer.  However, all subsequent times has been with a 2 pound cut.
>
> What color Newbaum's are you thinking?
>
> Oh, if you are double wrapping, you could either do the harlequin pattern, 
> or if you are wrapping normally, try wrapping the under layer in the 
> opposite direction as the outer layer.  It added a nice visual texture to 
> my handlebars.  And since you are shellacing, you don't have to wrap from 
> the hoods up to the tops.  I wrapped towards the brake levers and had 
> everything tucked under them, so no need for twine and the tape didn't have 
> issues with peeling!  This assumes drop bars of course...
>
> Mat
> Driftless Wisconsin
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:17:31 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>  This is always fun as however the new bikes look they all ride like a 
> Rivendell .. like every Horse gallops !   Hee - Haw !

Not many of us can be as observant and profound as you, Garth. Thanks for 
sharing your insight!

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[RBW] Re: daily post ur riv

[Adam Leibow]

that's fire, adam

On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 11:29:13 AM UTC-8, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hi all, i want to create a thread where you just post a picture of your 
> rivendell(s) whenever you feel like it. hope this is OK w/ the mods. i love 
> lookin at pics of em all day. i will start with my sam hillborne.
>
>
> [image: IMG_3920.jpeg]
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[RBW] Bike Rear View Mirrors

[eddietheflay]

me too. same mirror. go walking and think I can see behind me...but I 
can't...unless I go full dork all the time.

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[RBW] FS: 650b Rims - 36h - Silver - Weinmann ZAC19 - $25 pair plus shipping.

[David B]

Selling a pair of 650b rims.
These were laced into a wheelset that was new/never used - I swapped over 
to some wider rims.
These are sort of new in the sense that they weren't mounted/used, but were 
built into wheels.

Selling a PAIR.
Silver
36h.
650b.
Drilled for Schrader valves - adapters for Presta valves should be readily 
available.

Asking $25 for the pair, plus shipping.
Contact offlist if interested.
Paypal for payment.
Thanks!
David
River Grove, IL

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[RBW] Bike Rear View Mirrors

['Beaverton Bob' via RBW Owners Bunch]

This morning, I overtook a guy and thought I may have been too abrupt or 
that he was trying to draft behind me. 

I moved my eye up and to the left to check my rear view mirror.

I didn't see anything at first. 

Then I remembered I didn't have my helmet on, and that I was actually 
walking. 

Old habits...

For the record, I have a Bike Peddler Take A Look Mirror taped to my helmet.

Stay Safe,
Beaverton "Always Thinks He's On A Bike" Bob

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Garth]

 This is always fun as however the new bikes look they all ride like a 
Rivendell .. like every Horse gallops !   Hee - Haw ! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[finny]

I am not on the Facebook so I can't post but we can gather on the lawn
between the parking lot and the lake.  I will grab a picnic table where
you can see from the parking lot. Early arrivals will be able to park on
top, I would think that we picked a weekend between summer and leaf
peeping so not so crowded. Where or how do I drop a pin?  


so when ya get parked, just make your way over towards the grassy area
between the parking lots and the lake, I will try to scope out a picnic
table or 2.  


in the mornings, its generally dog walkers and hikers so it should be
all good. Once a few of us find each other, it will become obvious  


one helpful thing to print or download is the park map, but they
probably have them at the gate. 


On 19/09/2019 10:38 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:

Yah! 

Spencer, since there are so many parking lot optionscan you drop a pin where you will be waiting and we'll make that the official 11am meet-up/departure spot. 

If you can post here and Facebook that would be spectacular. 

Thanks!! 


-Alex

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-4, spencer robinson wrote: 

I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other lot that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the main entrance). 

The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up. Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the nice walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to go up the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller coaster, you gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell service for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route here. 

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799 [1] 

At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on a orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the very top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang out up on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and waiting on the fog to clear... it will be good! 

Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway, you will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a college town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks! then continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska. 

Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other riding, there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and south, some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from town will connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not to be missed to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge, really nice and this trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved.  

For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that the carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride. 

Spencer 

On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote: 
Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so you're sure to get a parking spot.


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[RBW] Re: Which kind of shellac "flakes" do you use for cotton tape? Seed, button, flake, or dewaxed???

[Mat Grewe]

Right, the cut is in pounds, not ratios, my bad..  Anyway, I had two layers 
of Newbaum's (outer layer shellaced a few times over a year or two) that I 
unwrapped this summer and I found out that the shellac did not saturate 
through to the bottom layer.  I rode in the rain frequently and it was not 
compromised in any way so I don't think there is a need to try to saturate 
that under layer.  My first shellac job I did a 1.5 pound cut, and that was 
pretty thin, but not overly so and could be good for a first timer.  
However, all subsequent times has been with a 2 pound cut.

What color Newbaum's are you thinking?

Oh, if you are double wrapping, you could either do the harlequin pattern, 
or if you are wrapping normally, try wrapping the under layer in the 
opposite direction as the outer layer.  It added a nice visual texture to 
my handlebars.  And since you are shellacing, you don't have to wrap from 
the hoods up to the tops.  I wrapped towards the brake levers and had 
everything tucked under them, so no need for twine and the tape didn't have 
issues with peeling!  This assumes drop bars of course...

Mat
Driftless Wisconsin

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[RBW] Re: Pedal the Parkway: Jamestown to Williamsburg car-free ride

[Will]

I've ridden that a bunch of times. Went to William and Mary, nearby 
college. A bud and I used to ride the Parkway to the James River, cross via 
ferry, lunch at the Surry House, ride 10 up to the Harrison Bridge (outside 
of Richmond) ride 5 back to Williamsburg. It was an all day ride. Probably 
100 miles. Lot of history on that part of the James. I rode a Raleigh Comp. 
He rode a Motobecane. 

Somehow we did this regularly in the days before Rando, fat tires, and 
energy bars. We'd pack a tuna sandwich and a can of Bud for the Harrison 
Bridge before taking 5 back. 

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 7:30:22 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> May 4th, 08:00 AM - 01:00 PM ET
>
> Has anyone on the list ridden this?  
> https://www.bikewalkwilliamsburg.org/events/2019/2/25/pedal-the-parkway
>
> I'm not sure how I've missed it for the 20+ years it's been going on.  I 
> really love the historic Williamsburg and Jamestown areas, so this would be 
> icing on the cake to incorporate a car-free bike ride between them.  It's 
> only 8 miles between towns, but they block cars on the route for 5 hours, 
> so one could make it a down and back easily, or more if you're inclined to 
> make it a workout :)
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[EasyRider]

Yes, I think insta-ready all-road bikes have been *en vogue* for several 
years, and a 28mm-tired bike called "Roadini" isn't that, even if 
UltraRomance rides one.

On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 11:31:57 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Yeah, I was disheartened to hear that the Roadini didn't sell very well. I 
> think everyone should have zippy but comfy 32mm tire road bike in their 
> stable, and the Roadini seems to fit the bill. I wonder if people talked 
> themselves out of buying because of the sloping top tube or the perceived 
> stoutness of the tubing. I can't fault anyone for preferring different 
> aesthetics--after all, that's one of things that drove my to Rivendell. But 
> it's too bad when aesthetic preferences get in the way of a great, 
> affordable bike.
>
> I do hope they take another crack at a "more affordable than a Roadeo" 
> road bike in the future. I love my Roadeo, but I understand the price puts 
> it out of reach for some.
>
> On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 12:28:47 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Rob Kristoff asked:
>>
>> Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?
>>
>>
>> Yes, it was meant to be the road version of a Clem and it successfully 
>> was that, in my opinion and experience. I think Rivendell miscalculated 
>> what many people want. Many people want a cheap racing bike. The Roadini 
>> was a smart civilized affordable road bike. Many people want to buy a bike 
>> that looks like a racing bike, and those people in general didn't think the 
>> Leo Roadini looked enough like a bike intended for racing. Who cares if it 
>> is just as fast and more comfortable? The roadies on my club ride make fun 
>> of it because it looks weird.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

"...were "wow, everyone should have one of these " and "hmmm. . . I wish I was 
riding a real bike" it's the sort of contradiction that only a dedicated 
cyclist would think of."

Yep, I have both. I did a nice loop on the RANS/Copenhagen Tuesday, then a 
shorter shop-and-ride on my Bike Friday yesterday. This choice will in the next 
few months evolve to a Riv/Copenhagen and a no-motor Riv Custom, which is hard 
to beat as a selection of bikes to hop on in the morning  

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

Joe, I think what you are talking about is Apple's vs. Oranges in the Ebike 
sphere. I guess technically it's still an Ebike, but it's different at the same 
time. Which kinda goes back to what I said about regular bikes and Ebikes 
diverging.
The "Ebike" is evolving so fast and the bikes and their components are 
increasingly not cross compatible. Different everything; spokes, rims, tires, 
brake levers.
Yeah, some people are passionate about ebikes and they are such an eye opener 
that I sort of understand the enthusiasm initially, but I think it wears thin 
pretty fast. Once the "new" wears off. The Ebike is carving out it's own niche 
in-between bikes & motorcycles.
If you can dip your toes in both pools with the Copenhagen wheel, I guess 
that's a good thing!
As I alluded to earlier my first two thoughts after getting my Radwagon were 
"wow, everyone should have one of these " and "hmmm. . . I wish I was riding a 
real bike" it's the sort of contradiction that only a dedicated cyclist would 
think of.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks Cambium Stuffing

[masmojo]

Hmmm . . .
I have a carved C-17 allweather and it's a pretty stiff saddle to me, not sure 
if foam would really have any positive benefits? Maybe if you are much heavier 
the my 237lbs.?

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Yah!

Spencer, since there are so many parking lot optionscan you drop a pin 
where you will be waiting and we'll make that the official 11am 
meet-up/departure spot.

If you can post here and Facebook that would be spectacular.

Thanks!!

-Alex

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 10:14:08 AM UTC-4, spencer robinson 
wrote:
>
> I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the 
> Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can 
> park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other lot 
> that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the main 
> entrance).
>
> The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up. 
> Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the nice 
> walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to go up 
> the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller coaster, you 
> gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down 
> enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell service 
> for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route here.
>
> https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799
>
> At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on a 
> orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers 
> and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the very 
> top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang out up 
> on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and waiting on 
> the fog to clear... it will be good!
>
> Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway, you 
> will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a college 
> town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks! then 
> continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska.
>
> Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other riding, 
> there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and south, 
> some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from town will 
> connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not to be missed 
> to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge, really nice and this 
> trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved. 
>
> For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and 
> road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that the 
> carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride.
>
> Spencer
>
>
>  
>
> On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and 
> then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so 
> you're sure to get a parking spot.
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Joe Bernard]

No, and Superpedestrian is going to get run out of the market if they don't 
expand their options soon. They need 650B/27.5, and all sizes need a disc mount 
option. 

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Joe Bernard]

What an ebike is depends massively on which one you're riding and what it's 
for. My current ride is a RANS Crank Forward with a Copenhagen Wheel which is 
shortly to be transferred to a Riv A/R. This is pedal assist only - no throttle 
- and freewheels well enough to be run some miles at 0 assist, effectively 
turning the ebike into a bike which can get a virtual tailwind on hills and in 
traffic. It's a bicycle. 

OTOH my friend's husband has a throttle-only cruiser which I'm not sure he even 
pedals. He doesn't have a particular interest in cycling as an exercise 
activity, he just likes to get out there with the wife and kids who use regular 
bikes. His version is more of a moped. 

In general I think they qualify as their own thing on the line: 
bike-ebike-moped-scooter-motorcycle-car. And some people are very passionate 
about them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[finny]

I am going to get on site early Saturday am, I will try to park in the
Lower Awosting Parking lot and ride to the top,  but if you want you can
park up in the lot by the lake (up on top), if that is full, the other
lot that is good would be the Lower Awosting Parking lot (west of the
main entrance). 


The parking lot up by the lake is great as you avoid the steep path up.
Never fear as if you park in Lower Awosting, you will get to enjoy the
nice walk up (or ride if you got the gear for it) and you won't have to
go up the hill at the end of the ride!. So think of it like a roller
coaster, you gotta get up the launch hill, then we roll up and down
enjoying breathtaking views along the way.  I think there is cell
service for most of the ride but if you want, you can download the route
here. 

https://ridewithgps.com/trips/3699799 


At any rate, I am driving a Black Honda ridgeline, (grey haired guy on a
orange and black Sam) we can gather up on top and visit till the campers
and late comers arrive. If memory serves, there is a paved lot on the
very top and a gravel lot, just below it. I am thinking that I will hang
out up on the top somewhere around the kiosk maybe making coffee and
waiting on the fog to clear... it will be good! 


Some info about the area...if you are coming in from the NYS Thruway,
you will head west on the state road towards New Paltz, New Paltz is a
college town, there are restaurants, motels, stores...even a starbucks!
then continue on up the Mt to Minnewaska. 


Also, if you have time or are staying over and you want some other
riding, there is a Rail Trail starting down town that will run north and
south, some of it is unpaved.  Also the rail trail running east from
town will connect you to the "Walkway over the Hudson" state park...not
to be missed to ride across the Hudson river on a car free bridge,
really nice and this trail continues east for miles, nice flat paved.  


For those that want more challenge, there are lots of gravel routes and
road routes...just consult Ride with GPS or some such app. I think that
the carriage trail loop will be great for a meetup and social ride. 

Spencer 


On 19/09/2019 8:32 am, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:


Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and then 
head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so you're 
sure to get a parking spot.




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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[masmojo]

Mark, I would be inclined to agree that the ebike has a lot in common with a 
scooter, moped, et. Al., and riding one initially will only encourage that 
notion, but prolonged exposure reinforces it's bicycleness. 

My take on the whole thing now with 800 miles on mine is that (for me anyway) 
it's not a substitute for a regular bike. It's really a substitute for a car, 
and that's it's real value. When I want to ride my bike, I want a real bike & 
an exceptional one at that. But, an ebike is an appliance, a tool, a vacuum 
cleaner. This is part of the reason I would not sully a nice bike with a motor; 
IMO it's more of a degradation than an enhancement and making it really nice is 
counterproductive.
Bikes & ebikes both have their place and their paths are already diverging. I 
highly recommend everyone have at least 1 ebike; and as many regular bikes as 
they can fit in the bike garage,finances & spouses will allow. 
A real bike is an object of inspiration & passion; an ebike isn't.

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[RBW] Copenhagen wheel Rivs vs ebike

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Are they making 650b Copenhagen wheels yet? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[REC]

Will do!  I was leaning towards that. Thank you. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2019, at 8:32 AM, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles 
> <4824...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and 
> then head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so 
> you’re sure to get a parking spot.
> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Hi Roberta!  Stop at the visitor center first to grab your day permit and then 
head to the ride start (Minnewaska).  Be sure to get there by 10am so you’re 
sure to get a parking spot.



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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

Just to be clear about what I wrote, I don't consider the fact that some 
Riv models have overlapping designs to be a drawback. Not at all. But it 
can pose challenges in terms of marketing.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:54:41 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I think at this point the Rivendell design tenets have such a strong 
> gravitational pull that many of the models have more similarities than 
> differences. I see the Roadini more as a sportier, tigged version of the 
> AHH, with seat and head tube angles ever so slightly steeper, chainstays 
> ever so slightly shorter, and less max tire size. It's still very much in 
> what used to be called the "sports" geometry of late 70s early 890s UJBs.
>
> It's a highly practical, comfortable, speedy road bike. But with the DNA 
> from so many sources, maybe it came off too much like a mutt to the bicycle 
> buying public, not a distinct breed that could be easily labeled, like 
> country bike, or hillibike, or allroad or gravel. "Like a 70s sports tourer 
> but maybe with wider tires and tigged" is a tough category.
>
> It's still possible that the Gallop will break out of this gravitational 
> force. I was a little surprised when it was announced that the Gus Boots 
> would be offered in a version with lighter tubing. So maybe a new strain 
> has been introduced, or awakened.
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:57:52 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I think Roadini was too close to other Rivs with more tire clearance and 
>> stronger canti/v-brakes. If you were looking at one it was hard not to just 
>> go with a Clem or one of the fully lugged bikes instead. A true TIG-ed 
>> Roadeo (read: level toptube, thin tubing) clone would sell better, IMO. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW 25 -Atlantic side of things

[REC (Roberta)]

"Riding from the campground to the ride start/minnewaska parking lot is 
about 6 miles and 1,200 feet of elevation."

I'm trying to figure the best place to park--at the ride start or at Mohonk 
preserve and meet you at the campground.  

I usually ride up to 20 miles on flat ground at 10-11 mph (I can go longer 
on flat ground.) , so am not a strong rider.  I have a hard time on steep 
hills.  I don't know how to interpret the elevation information. Is this 
very steep?  Or, is it just unrelenting and, therefore, tiring.  Google 
says it's a 59 minute ride, which concerns me for a 6 mile stretch.  Please 
don't overestimate my ability (or age)  when responding. (Kai- can drop you 
off anywhere you want.)  

Thanks. 
Roberta

On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 9:02:29 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Alright folks here’s three points that will be helpful wrangling campers, 
> drivers and permits etc. 
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/o7VsC6uvaCTiZZGA7 
>
> (This is essentially a google maps route that starts at the campground, 
> stops at the visitor center (permits) and ends at the ride start/minnewaska 
> parking lot) 
>
> Meet at the campground parking lot at 10 if you’re camping and/or want to 
> ride to the start.  Meet at the ‘Ride Start’/minnewaska parking lot at 11 
> ready to roll.  (Refer to directions linked above) 
>
> I think the only people that will need to pay for minnewaska are people 
> that drive in/and park.  Everyone will need to pick up a permit at the 
> Shawangunk Visitor Center whether you ride or drive (See directions above). 
>
> Of note: 
>
> Riding from the campground to the ride start/minnewaska parking lot is 
> about 6 miles and 1,200 feet of elevation.  The rest of the route is pretty 
> tame. (the views and downhills are worthy of the effort imho)

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Mark Roland]

I think at this point the Rivendell design tenets have such a strong 
gravitational pull that many of the models have more similarities than 
differences. I see the Roadini more as a sportier, tigged version of the 
AHH, with seat and head tube angles ever so slightly steeper, chainstays 
ever so slightly shorter, and less max tire size. It's still very much in 
what used to be called the "sports" geometry of late 70s early 890s UJBs.

It's a highly practical, comfortable, speedy road bike. But with the DNA 
from so many sources, maybe it came off too much like a mutt to the bicycle 
buying public, not a distinct breed that could be easily labeled, like 
country bike, or hillibike, or allroad or gravel. "Like a 70s sports tourer 
but maybe with wider tires and tigged" is a tough category.

It's still possible that the Gallop will break out of this gravitational 
force. I was a little surprised when it was announced that the Gus Boots 
would be offered in a version with lighter tubing. So maybe a new strain 
has been introduced, or awakened.

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 12:57:52 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I think Roadini was too close to other Rivs with more tire clearance and 
> stronger canti/v-brakes. If you were looking at one it was hard not to just 
> go with a Clem or one of the fully lugged bikes instead. A true TIG-ed 
> Roadeo (read: level toptube, thin tubing) clone would sell better, IMO. 

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