[RBW] Re: FS Grilver Clem H F/F/HS size 52

[aeroperf]

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Pancake]

Real world review, perfect! However, I’m hoping for a wheel set that can take 
up to 60mm tires. I think we’re gonna run this thing pretty plush and wide. I’m 
now in touch with a couple members about their Alex wheelsets trying to sort 
out prices and details. But I’m still hoping that something even closer to 
ideal pops up, hopefully with a slightly wider rim but I understand from Jan‘s 
blog and others that these 18.4mm rims would probably be fine even with a 
substantially larger tire like 55mm. 

Thanks for all the help and suggestions everyone, feeling confident we’ll get 
something sorted soon.

Abe

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 8:33:10 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Also, I'm looking at a pair of those Alex Clem rims with 45mm tires right now 
> and the rims look plenty wide to me.

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[RBW] FS Grilver Clem H F/F/HS size 52

[Andrew Huston]

If someone buys this it will go directly to purchase Joe’s Clem in mustard. 
Just bought this a few days before 718 cyclery dropped the price on the one joe 
bought or I would have likely snagged it then. Perfect condition. $800 shipped. 
I also have the stock wheelset/tires and bosco bars/stem that I would include 
for a bit more. PM off list. 

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Andrew Huston]

I’ve got a stock Clem wheelset with virtually no miles.  Still have the kenda 
tires on there as well. Let me know if you are interested. 

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Re: [RBW] Stem-in-Steerer worry

[Patrick Moore]

Given the miles-long length of the steerer -- 58 c-c frame with upsloping
tt, and sub 25" wheels -- the steerer butt is way, way down there.

We'll see. I do have a second titanium binder bolt ...

Funny, and I don't know if this was raised on the RBW list, but the
long-quilled Tech Deluxe weighs about the same as, or even a bit less than,
the Pearl with its much shorter quill but much thicker walls.

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 10:27 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It couldn't hurt to lift and twist a couple times a year. The bigger
> concern is that it's not wedged in the butted section at the bottom, it
> needs to sit just above that.
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[RBW] Stem-in-Steerer worry

[Joe Bernard]

It couldn't hurt to lift and twist a couple times a year. The bigger concern is 
that it's not wedged in the butted section at the bottom, it needs to sit just 
above that. 

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[RBW] Stem-in-Steerer worry

[Patrick Moore]

I recently installed a nice Tech Deluxe (thank you, David!) on the
2003 Road to replace a princess-and-pea-too-long Pearl. The 2003 has
an upsloping tt, a high head tube, and a long steerer, so I don't need
but a fraction of the Tech Deluxe's long quill above the waterline.
This means that there is a heckofalot (English unit) of quill shoved
down tight into the steerer. The quill is well lubed with Pep Boys
grease, but do I need to worry about it bonding with the steerer?
After how long?

I actually cut the quill on the other Tech Deluxe on the 1999 Road of
similar build, but that was (he said, blushing) to accommodate a
weight saving titanium binder bolt.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Justin August]

Sounds good - let me know if you want.

Offers available for anyone local as well.


> On Dec 17, 2019, at 7:49 AM, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Hi Justin,
> Byways could be very nice, but I'll have to take a raincheck as several of 
> the not-quite-ideal offers I've got so far include tires and I'm still not 
> settled on a wheelset. 
> 
> So far the offers have all been:
> (1) are a little narrow of a rim (like AMAC above, though he's my backup plan 
> for now) or 
> (2) in 130mm rear spacing (which I understand may be possible to use with a 
> couple 2mm spacers) but I 'm holding out hope for something that is a little 
> wider rim and in 135mm rear spacing. 
> 
> Anyone holding 135mm old rear wheel with a wider rim for 45-65mm tires?
> 
> Thanks for all the helpful replies and messages, I'm feeling better that 
> we'll end up with something good for our project!
> Abe
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 7:12:53 AM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> I have some Byways. Available for name your reasonable price. Pickup near 
> Montgomery BART 12-12:45 or Maxwell Park/Mills College in Oakland.
> -J
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Snow and Brisk Riding Tips

[Patrick Moore]

When I lived in Kebek City, and discovered the anguish of trying to
exercise indoors, I switched to running outdoors during all weathers.
When it was really cold -- below 10*F/-15*C or so -- the packed snow
actually gave good traction; it was at higher temps that it got
slippery. In fact, running on very cold, packed snow was rather like
running on the rubber University tracks; quite comfortable. (I
actually felt more energetic during really cold runs, I guess because
there was very little energy used for cooling down. But this was a
consistent experience.)

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:05 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>
> Learn how well the fallen snow is connected to the underlying surface.
>
> Like the sound of snow crunching under the wheel will tell the temperature, 
> the adhesion of the precipitation to the road or trail varies by the 
> temperature at the time of snowfall and soon after.
>
> Nearer 32° the snow is pretty connected to what it falls on (picturesque 
> snowy boughs) and will tolerate some abruptness of steering input or pedal 
> mash. Same with snow fallen in that range followed by a 12-20° drop.
>
> Cold snow accumulated on cold pavement looks all friendly and powdery but 
> acts like graphite on marble. Any grip you think your tread pattern affords 
> you has no bearing on how easily your contact patch of snow will move on its 
> substrate, just how much of it they grab and hold for the slide.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 6:24:20 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> By way of encouragement to the weather timid, and tip sharing to the 
>> intrepid, I thought we could compile a simple, growing bullet list of tips 
>> for cold weather riding. Here are some of mine:
>>
>> - ride slower
>> - nose breath
>> - fishnet long johns make a brilliant base layer and everything easier. 
>> Especially if you're daft enough to stop for more than a few minutes while 
>> out.
>> - Coffee outside at 10˚F or below is brilliant (a narrow-neck thermos of 
>> coffee made at home makes this much simpler.
>> - Boiled wool
>> - Listen to the sound of the snow under your tire and learn to know the 
>> temperature by it.
>> - Knobbies and supple tires matter more than width, but width matters too.
>> - Fixed gear means no frozen derailure and brakes always work
>> - Dress in layers and so so moisture freely evaporates (Gortex equivilants 
>> are sure ways to boil in a bag while riding, freeze in a bag when stopped).
>> - Perfect time to avoid main roads and explore back roads and trails, MUPS, 
>> etc.
>> - oversize your shoes so blood flows to the toes.
>> - Beeswax/coconut oil blend (or similar) on nose and cheeks keep face warmer 
>> and happy against wind.
>> - learn what layers work for you as you climb, by temp and wind and 
>> cloud/sun conditions, and carry a range for when they shift. Ventilate so 
>> you keep dry (fish net helps significantly with this).
>> - Best snow rides: trails up to 6" snow, plowed back roads.
>>
>> What are you tips for brisk riding? Enjoy getting out!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Joe Bernard]

Also, I'm looking at a pair of those Alex Clem rims with 45mm tires right now 
and the rims look plenty wide to me. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[franklyn]

For what is worth, Jan Heine wrote about the myth that rim width matters here:

https://www.renehersecycles.com/myth-18-wide-tires-need-wide-rims/#more-14719

Think about mountain bike rims in the 80's and 90's

>From personal experience, I have used velocity synergy rims with schwalbe 
>thunder burts 2.1" tires. The synergy probably has 18mm or less internal 
>width. It was completely fine!

Franklyn 
Berkeley, ca

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Jonathan D.]

I have a pair of Vocity Atlas wheels I could sell. I think Deore but I am out 
of town. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[BSWP]

And already sold out of my size... sigh. I'm resigned to looking elsewhere 
for pants I can wear on and off the bike. I was ready for the sticker 
shock, and was even prepared to tolerate the mesh pockets.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Pancake]

Hi Justin,
Byways could be very nice, but I'll have to take a raincheck as several of 
the not-quite-ideal offers I've got so far include tires and I'm still not 
settled on a wheelset. 

So far the offers have all been:
(1) are a little narrow of a rim (like AMAC above, though he's my backup 
plan for now) or 
(2) in 130mm rear spacing (which I understand may be possible to use with a 
couple 2mm spacers) but I 'm 
*holding out hope for something that is a little wider rim and in 135mm 
rear spacing. *

Anyone holding 135mm old rear wheel with a wider rim for 45-65mm tires?

Thanks for all the helpful replies and messages, I'm feeling better that 
we'll end up with something good for our project!
Abe


On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 7:12:53 AM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> I have some Byways. Available for name your reasonable price. Pickup near 
> Montgomery BART 12-12:45 or Maxwell Park/Mills College in Oakland. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Snow and Brisk Riding Tips

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Riffing off Andy's last two:

- The grip issue of champaign powder is greatly aided by shifting weight 
back and off the front wheel, giving the drive wheel "dig" and the steer 
wheel float. This is greatly aided by having handlebars high and upright.

- Snow builds up in strata, and then ages based on temp and sun exposure, 
so patches of road/trail will vary more and more as the snow ages, 
especially with freeze/thaw cycles.

- Ventile is a brilliant outer layer. At temps below 25˚F, untreated canvas 
also works brilliantly.

- Experimenting with these tips will aid riding in all temps. I ride down 
to -20˚F (the lowest we've gotten round these parts), but most commonly in 
the teens, twenties, and thirties (a useful demarkation to think of for 
layering strategy).

- A simple and inexpensive way to test if you like winter riding would be 
to buy Wiggy's fishnet tops: 
https://www.wiggys.com/clothing-outerwear/fishnet-long-underwear/ (They are 
nylon and thus scratchy against the skin, which is why I use 
https://www.brynjeusa.com/ (twice the cost, far more comfortable) under 
cotton layers (yes, cotton is fine as insulation with fishnet as a base!); 
wool mittens or gloves with a cheep leather chopper mitt, etc. 

- The pictures and descriptions in this gallery show my clothing setup, 
which I've used for years now. 
https://snap.as/deaconpatrick/of-fishnet-long-johns-and-boiled-wool

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 3:05:38 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Learn how well the fallen snow is connected to the underlying surface. 
>
> Like the sound of snow crunching under the wheel will tell the 
> temperature, the adhesion of the precipitation to the road or trail varies 
> by the temperature at the time of snowfall and soon after.
>
> Nearer 32° the snow is pretty connected to what it falls on (picturesque 
> snowy boughs) and will tolerate some abruptness of steering input or pedal 
> mash. Same with snow fallen in that range followed by a 12-20° drop. 
>
> Cold snow accumulated on cold pavement looks all friendly and powdery but 
> acts like graphite on marble. Any grip you think your tread pattern affords 
> you has no bearing on how easily your contact patch of snow will move on 
> its substrate, just how much of it they grab and hold for the slide.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>  
>
> On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 6:24:20 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> By way of encouragement to the weather timid, and tip sharing to the 
>> intrepid, I thought we could compile a simple, growing bullet list of tips 
>> for cold weather riding. Here are some of mine:
>>
>> - ride slower
>> - nose breath
>> - fishnet long johns make a brilliant base layer and everything easier. 
>> Especially if you're daft enough to stop for more than a few minutes while 
>> out.
>> - Coffee outside at 10˚F or below is brilliant (a narrow-neck thermos of 
>> coffee made at home makes this much simpler.
>> - Boiled wool
>> - Listen to the sound of the snow under your tire and learn to know the 
>> temperature by it.
>> - Knobbies and supple tires matter more than width, but width matters too.
>> - Fixed gear means no frozen derailure and brakes always work
>> - Dress in layers and so so moisture freely evaporates (Gortex 
>> equivilants are sure ways to boil in a bag while riding, freeze in a bag 
>> when stopped).
>> - Perfect time to avoid main roads and explore back roads and trails, 
>> MUPS, etc. 
>> - oversize your shoes so blood flows to the toes.
>> - Beeswax/coconut oil blend (or similar) on nose and cheeks keep face 
>> warmer and happy against wind.
>> - learn what layers work for you as you climb, by temp and wind and 
>> cloud/sun conditions, and carry a range for when they shift. Ventilate so 
>> you keep dry (fish net helps significantly with this).
>> - Best snow rides: trails up to 6" snow, plowed back roads.
>>
>> What are you tips for brisk riding? Enjoy getting out!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>> www.CatholicHalos.org
>> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 650b wheelset (for Rosco Baby build) AND tires too - want to buy by this weekend, SF Bay Area

[Justin, Oakland]

I have some Byways. Available for name your reasonable price. Pickup near 
Montgomery BART 12-12:45 or Maxwell Park/Mills College in Oakland. 

-J

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[RBW] FS: Paul cross levers, new 110mm Tallux

[Birdman]

The Levers have sold.

The Stem is still available.

Best,

Isaac

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[RBW] Christmas Rivendells

[Matt C.]

My only Christmas bike memory was when I was about 7 or 8. I had no expectation 
of getting a bike that Christmas, but I guess it made sense since I was 
constantly borrowing the neighbors bikes to ride around. So it was of great 
surprise to me when I walked out to the living room on Christmas Eve night 
(there is something magical about seeing all the presents illuminated by 
Christmas tree lights that just must be examined once you're parents have gone 
to bed) to see two green and black huffy bikes parked by the tree. I found the 
one with my name taped on it and promptly assumed the saddle to ensure proper 
fit. It was a great few seconds until the kickstand gave in and I fell over 
onto the Christmas tree. After causing what I thought to be a great disturbance 
and being worried my parents would catch me, I quickly freed myself from the 
lights and limbs of the tree, replaced as many ornaments as I could find on the 
floor in the dark, and rushed back to bed.

The next morning I pretended as if I had never seen the bikes, and honestly 
those bikes looked way better in the light so the surprise was mostly true.

The best part of this story is that later on that day my brother told me almost 
the exact same story of him waking up in the night, mounting the bike and 
falling over on the tree only to scurry off the bed thinking he had caused a 
disturbance and ruined Christmas.

Related riv content, I have now evolved to ride a Bleriot since that one Huffy 
Christmas.

Matt Cook in CT 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Christmas Rivendells

[masmojo]

Yes, Rad is a good word. Esthetically in my mind it's nearly perfect. Sparkly 
crimson pearl with black crackle over the top.
The only downside is that I really don't typically have tons of use for a fat 
bike in Dallas, TX.  It's a little slow around town, but fine if I have time.

The moto bars give it a real clunkery sort of Flat track vibe.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/AQp9ZxsPLFBd72EA9

To my mind Crust is really crushing it right now.

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[RBW] Re: Snow and Brisk Riding Tips

[ascpgh]

Learn how well the fallen snow is connected to the underlying surface. 

Like the sound of snow crunching under the wheel will tell the temperature, 
the adhesion of the precipitation to the road or trail varies by the 
temperature at the time of snowfall and soon after.

Nearer 32° the snow is pretty connected to what it falls on (picturesque 
snowy boughs) and will tolerate some abruptness of steering input or pedal 
mash. Same with snow fallen in that range followed by a 12-20° drop. 

Cold snow accumulated on cold pavement looks all friendly and powdery but 
acts like graphite on marble. Any grip you think your tread pattern affords 
you has no bearing on how easily your contact patch of snow will move on 
its substrate, just how much of it they grab and hold for the slide.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

 

On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 6:24:20 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> By way of encouragement to the weather timid, and tip sharing to the 
> intrepid, I thought we could compile a simple, growing bullet list of tips 
> for cold weather riding. Here are some of mine:
>
> - ride slower
> - nose breath
> - fishnet long johns make a brilliant base layer and everything easier. 
> Especially if you're daft enough to stop for more than a few minutes while 
> out.
> - Coffee outside at 10˚F or below is brilliant (a narrow-neck thermos of 
> coffee made at home makes this much simpler.
> - Boiled wool
> - Listen to the sound of the snow under your tire and learn to know the 
> temperature by it.
> - Knobbies and supple tires matter more than width, but width matters too.
> - Fixed gear means no frozen derailure and brakes always work
> - Dress in layers and so so moisture freely evaporates (Gortex equivilants 
> are sure ways to boil in a bag while riding, freeze in a bag when stopped).
> - Perfect time to avoid main roads and explore back roads and trails, 
> MUPS, etc. 
> - oversize your shoes so blood flows to the toes.
> - Beeswax/coconut oil blend (or similar) on nose and cheeks keep face 
> warmer and happy against wind.
> - learn what layers work for you as you climb, by temp and wind and 
> cloud/sun conditions, and carry a range for when they shift. Ventilate so 
> you keep dry (fish net helps significantly with this).
> - Best snow rides: trails up to 6" snow, plowed back roads.
>
> What are you tips for brisk riding? Enjoy getting out!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
>

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