Re: [RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Leah Peterson]

Paul, what happened???

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> On May 31, 2020, at 9:02 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think my riding glasses belong here - some aluminum aviators, still rocking 
> months after an unpleasant endover. they're a little less comfortable now 
> though.
> 
> Paul
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Steve Cole, I’m surprised no one has had our same complaint as well. But I 
think it might be one of those things you always struggle with but never 
actually realize can be improved. Or maybe it’s something one dismisses because 
one is accustomed to putting up with it.

Either way, I’m pretty sure the shape of the Radar Oakleys can eliminate this 
problem. I know what you mean about the helmet brim - my Nutcase helmet has 
this and it’s a real help.

Patrick Moore - I wouldn’t want to wear a hat under my helmet - too hot.

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Steve Cole]

Leah,

I was struck by your description that, "The sun comes down into my eyes 
from the top of the glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At 
least not on my bike." I'm surprised that no one has commented on this.

I've worn glasses now for half my life.  When I wear only my clear 
prescription glasses, I am not bothered by the sun shining "over" the top 
of my glasses.  When I switch to sunglasses, however, for reasons I cannot 
understand, the sun coming over the top of my glasses bothers me 
tremendously.  I have taken to wearing hats, mostly baseball hats when I am 
out walking around or doing whatever.

When I ride, I find that I cannot wear "road-style" helmets; this style 
helmet does not shade by face so the sun simply shines over the top of my 
sunglasses.  So, I've taken to using mountain bike-style helmets, even when 
road riding.  The extra plastic brim makes all the difference for me, 
providing just the right amount of shade on the upper part of my face to 
eliminate the problem of sun over the top of my glasses.  One other note: I 
spend part of the year in Southern Arizona.  When riding there in the 
cooler, but still very sunny months, I have seen other riders who use some 
kind of almost hat-like brim that attaches to a bike helmet providing good 
protection for both face and neck, which can be essential in Arizona.

Anyway, good luck on your effort to solve this issue.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA




On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 5:26:58 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
> need to get out.
>
> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
> never leave without sunglasses. 
>
> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>
> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>
> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>
> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
> bike. 
>
> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>
> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>
> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
> factor here. *
>
> Attached is the night glasses I am having 

[RBW] WTB: 66-68 Atlantis (or other tall Rivs)

[Reid Echols]

Hi folks, I’ve recently sold a few bikes and am looking for a tall Riv to rule 
them all. The old-style Atlantis is the one I still haven’t ridden, and I’d 
really like to try it. Let me know if you have any leads or a few extra tall 
drinks of water in the stable. 

Thanks,
Reid in Austin  

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Re: [RBW] FS: Bruce Gordon 1" quill stem 25.4 XXL

[Joe Bunik]

I'll take it!!!
Joe

On 5/31/20, Paul M  wrote:
> Handmade Bruce Gordon "chicken neck" tig welded stem from Bruce's
> retirement sale. Used but nice condition with no rust and minimal marks on
> the gloss black paint. Would work best for a tall rider, fitting a smaller
> bike to a larger rider and older Rivendells with shorter top tubes.
>
> 170mm length c-c
> 150mm effective reach
> 2-1/2" quill to paint
> $75 includes shipping, thanks
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[William deRosset]

Dear Leah,

Iuse these in a sunglass version as well. I think they cost about $8, and are 
available with brown/bronze lenses, shooter's lenses (amber/yellow), and grey.

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[William deRosset]

Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I ordered 
Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed.

Dear Leah,

On the opposite side of the economic spectrum, may I suggest Jackson Safety 
Nemesis safety glasses? As long as you have a relatively upright position on 
the bike, they work very well. I personally prefer their fit to my Oakleys. 

Polycarbonate, reasonable optical quality, fewer than five bucks online, eight 
to ten from your local welding supply shop.

https://www.amazon.com/JACKSON-25679-Nemesis-Safety-Universal/dp/B009SB8RWA/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?dchild=1=jackson+safety+nemesis+clear=1590975540=8-5

They are nearly-ubiquitous in the trades, and there are many lens options.

Buy three for the off chance you need them for an after-dark ride and store in 
your luggage?

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Leah Peterson]

Paul, I have Wayfarers - they let a lot of light in - I’m surprised they work 
for cyclocross!

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> On May 31, 2020, at 4:50 PM, Paul Sanders  wrote:
> 
> 
> Rayban Wayfarer. I started wearing them in cyclocross races. I like them over 
> cycling specific glasses because they don't fog up when it's cold, and they 
> are comfortable for me.
> 
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 5:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> Leah, I think your husband should use the giant safety glasses on his ebike 
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Paul Sanders]

Rayban Wayfarer. I started wearing them in cyclocross races. I like them
over cycling specific glasses because they don't fog up when it's cold, and
they are comfortable for me.

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 5:53 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Leah, I think your husband should use the giant safety glasses on his
> ebike 
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[RBW] Sunglasses

[Brian Campbell]

I use these:

https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-igniter-2-0-storm-polarized-sunglasses/pid1268170

and find them frequently on eBay for less than half the retail price.

They are “men’s” but my wife wears mine so often I am getting her some for an 
upcoming birthday.

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[RBW] Sunglasses

['allenmichael' via RBW Owners Bunch]

https://goodr.com/products/jorts-for-your-face

I use these (tinted) while running and they look pretty good, don’t slip, and 
don’t cost . Might be worth a try. 

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Joe Bernard]

"..which raises another but related question: which model or "system"
for both very bright sunlight and night-time riding? Photochromatic or
swappable lenses?"

I've never tried photochromatic but I'd be surprised if the 'bright sunlight' 
part would work. In a car maybe, but a full-on blast of sun on the bike is a 
whole 'nother animal. 

Swappable works and I've done it, but I eventually decided life is too short to 
be wiggling lenses in and out in the middle of a ride and just bought both. I 
have daytime cycling shades, and an old Oakley M Frame (think Lance glasses) 
with a clear lens that I toss in the saddlebag if I'm going to ride into the 
night. Easy peasy. 

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Patrick Moore]

"Asia Fit" it is, and let us slant-eyes be glad for it! Thanks for pointing
this out, I'll remember this if and when I shop for Oakleys.

Patrick Moore, gleefully thinking of other possible marketing terms for
"Asia Fit."

Aside, anecdote, personal, delete if very earnest: I married a Chinese
woman with a nose bridge even shallower than my own. I used to tease her
that, if she lay down on her back in the rain, water would collect between
her eyes. (My daughter has something of both our features  --3/4 Asian) but
my WASP father's body type with long limbs.)

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:50 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Patrick, I'm loath to use the term but it's what they call it and you
> mentioned it: I use Oakley's Asia Fit for my big noggin..all "regular"
> shades fit too tight AND slide down my nose. This fit fixes all that.
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Joe Bernard]

Leah, I think your husband should use the giant safety glasses on his ebike  

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Garth]

  

All I can say is get these and you will be happy. The come in different 
combos. Myself have the one with the light rust colored lens and it's the 
only one I've worn, I like it so much. Even in full sun. No everything 
doesn't look orange, it's very light and it enhances greens and browns and 
such. Very nice on cloudy dayze too. The clear is for night obviously. I 
hate gray lens tints(blah looking) so I never use that nor did I buy it for 
that.  

Built super well. The nose is adjustable and replaceable. The lenses are 
replaceable too, and inexpensive ($24). The temples are adjustable too. 
Comes with a hard case on the multi-lens options. They meet military spec 
for impact resistance to things like high impact bugs, thugs and bullets. 
You know, the usual foes on a bike !  

I bought these after trying so may pairs and not liking any of them, Oakley 
also. Then I tried these as a hail-Mary sorta thing, why not ... all the 
rest were blah so what's one more ?!  Hah  I was shocked how sturdy 
these are, how well they fit and the light rust lens was just what I 
wanted. I don't like or need "dark" lenses, it seems everyone makes them 
overly dark. Not these , at least the rust or vermillion lenses, they're 
about 53% VLT. 

https://wileyx.com/saber-advanced-sunglasses-308

Also sold many other places. 




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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, I'm loath to use the term but it's what they call it and you mentioned 
it: I use Oakley's Asia Fit for my big noggin..all "regular" shades fit too 
tight AND slide down my nose. This fit fixes all that. 

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Re: [RBW] Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

[Patrick Moore]

Paul: The quality of your photograph makes up for any minor defect in
the background. Is this quality by happenstance, or are your a pro or
at least a practiced amateur?

Patrick "unpracticed amateur but good critical eye" Moore

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:12 PM True Golden  wrote:
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> Some of you get to ride in some remarkably beautiful areas.
>
> From today's ride near a university campus.
>
> Paul  in Dallas
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Patrick Moore]

Leah: Your tale sounds like something from a horror movie (bees in
your eyes!! spiders in your ears!! worms in your brain!!) and I'm glad
that there was no major or permanent damage.

All: I am following this list with interest; I've raised the same
question on the iBoblist, and Oakleys are the standard response (as
Sidis are for shoes). I have a semi-Asian* face with small nose bridge
and many glasses don't stay up -- though I've found that having a
professional adjust what seem to be ill-fitting glasses can make a
very big difference. Currently using 2 pr of Tifosis but will probably
one day spring for Oakleys ...

... which raises another but related question: which model or "system"
for both very bright sunlight and night-time riding? Photochromatic or
swappable lenses?

*WASP father (with big Anglo nose) and Filipina mother (with smaller one).

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:27 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:
>
> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
> need to get out.
>
> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles in 
> 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes to 
> withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, white 
> arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. I’ve 
> taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding gloves 
> on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I never 
> leave without sunglasses.
>
> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I took 
> off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by bugs. 
> That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to get IN 
> my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I pulled over 
> but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in the shop 
> getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra riding) and 
> it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I had nothing but 
> my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which was still 
> ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died because the pain 
> stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was pretty sure all that 
> biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. Was I going to have to 
> ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye swollen shut? (Spoiler 
> alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.)
>
> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons:
>
> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad.
>
> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally settled 
> on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a sale going 
> on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, either. They’re 
> Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too rad - but who’s 
> going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye protection at night, 
> but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, and while I think 
> they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - esp. the Warby 
> Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the glasses, and I 
> don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my bike.
>
> I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? I 
> want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either.
>
> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck bandanna 
> and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y.
>
> Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you have a 
> more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling sunglasses? 
> I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a factor here.
>
> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>
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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Jim M.]

I'm a big fan of the Wiley-X line, which I take to my optometrist for 
prescription lenses. They're pretty near bombproof, and they come in a 
range of sizes and styles. I don't even need a leash on the style I 
mountain bike in. They fit snugly without being too tight.

jim m
wc, ca

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Leah Peterson]

So, there is a lot of truth in your response. The part about function being 
everything - I can attest to that being true after last night. I still have no 
clear glasses, but as I was heading out for an evening ride, I remembered I 
*do* have clear shooting glasses. I dug around in my range bag and found them - 
they looked like they’d work perfectly. When the time came to switch from 
sunnies to clear, I was sorely disappointed. Apparently a helmet will really 
mess with your glasses. Those clear shooting glasses kept lifting up off of my 
face - it was bizarre, and it was dangerous because it skewed my vision. I got 
rid of those and went bare-faced, and got one bug in the eye for it. Sigh.

Sent from my iPad

> On May 31, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> I'm already an Oakley fan and you already know this so this is kinda for you 
> but mostly for everyone else to be blessed with my fanboi fandom.
> 
> "Roadie robot" looks might be a little jarring for the committed Just Rider, 
> but function is everything in a cycling shade: They need to be light enough 
> and fit well enough to disappear on your head/ears/nose so you don't have to 
> think about them, and they need to completely cover your eyes while providing 
> unobstructed vision. So I ride in Riv shorts or pants, a loose cotton shirt 
> and running shoes, but the helmet/glasses factor is Full Serious Cyclist. 
> 
> Those Radars you got are nice and you could get them with clear lenses; I 
> have a couple pairs of EV Zero for day that are AMAZING. You can try those, 
> or maybe get another Radar with dark lenses if you like the first pair you 
> get. (You can also just swap back and forth between lenses with that one 
> Radar, but it's kind of a chore). 
> 
> Regardless of which brand you get - there's a bunch! - I highly recommend 
> function first. I've ridden lots of times with "lifestyle" shades and it 
> pretty much always sucks. 
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[George Schick]

Interesting timing on this post.  I'm in my early 70's and I have found 
that, as one ages, things shrink (please no smart remarks).  Therefore, 
one's eyeball shrinks a bit in diameter as well and I have discovered that 
my far sighted vision has improved to the point where I can see just about 
as well with and without correctional optics.  So...I've been in the market 
for good general purpose riding glasses as well.  I'll monitor this thread 
to see the various suggestions.


On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 4:26:58 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
> need to get out.
>
> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
> never leave without sunglasses. 
>
> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>
> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>
> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>
> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
> bike. 
>
> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>
> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>
> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
> factor here. *
>
> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[David B]

Got it - I might consider an Xtracycle conversion on an old mtb if I don't 
figure out a solution for the Clem.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> Ah, gotcha. The removability is obviously not an option here.
>
> I wasn't showing you that bike for the yepp seat they have on it. It just 
> hit a few of your other points, like able to go off road and handling the 
> weight. I've seen 3-4 kids on the back of an xtracycle, and am also 
> considering one myself.
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:46:09 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>> Thanks for the link - neat bike. In my case though, I already have a Yepp 
>> seat setup, but my oldest is reaching the weight limit for the seat itself 
>> - not sure I want to push that limit at all, which is why I'm looking 
>> specifically for a trailer. And also wanting something that can be 
>> attached/detached somewhat easily to use the bike without kids in tow.
>> Here's my latest setup: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-koMDRFxak/
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 11:03:28 AM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
>>> I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article 
>>> and in the comments:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/
>>>
>>> obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean 
>>> buying the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:

 My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight 
 limit from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 

 So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning 
 toward a trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 

 Any trailer recommendations that: 
 - are designed for children 
 - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
 - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 

 Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
 Thanks, 
 David
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Joe Bernard]

I'm already an Oakley fan and you already know this so this is kinda for you 
but mostly for everyone else to be blessed with my fanboi fandom.

"Roadie robot" looks might be a little jarring for the committed Just Rider, 
but function is everything in a cycling shade: They need to be light enough and 
fit well enough to disappear on your head/ears/nose so you don't have to think 
about them, and they need to completely cover your eyes while providing 
unobstructed vision. So I ride in Riv shorts or pants, a loose cotton shirt and 
running shoes, but the helmet/glasses factor is Full Serious Cyclist. 

Those Radars you got are nice and you could get them with clear lenses; I have 
a couple pairs of EV Zero for day that are AMAZING. You can try those, or maybe 
get another Radar with dark lenses if you like the first pair you get. (You can 
also just swap back and forth between lenses with that one Radar, but it's kind 
of a chore). 

Regardless of which brand you get - there's a bunch! - I highly recommend 
function first. I've ridden lots of times with "lifestyle" shades and it pretty 
much always sucks. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Leah Peterson]

A little extra hilarity. My husband thinks I should go full Lone Wolf and order 
these 藍藍藍. Ok, back to your good and serious suggestions. I couldn’t help it...


Sent from my iPad

> On May 31, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
> 
> 
> I've never had a pair of Oakley glasses that weren't good. Oakley, to me, is 
> worth the extra money. I posted a similar question here in the past couple 
> months and my man Joe Bernard hooked me up with THREE pair of Oakley. I gave 
> two of them to my sons and kept the EV Zero. They have good coverage, are 
> light weight, and the lens works great in all levels of light, except for 
> darkness. I plan to get a pair of clear lens glasses soon. I'm glad your eye 
> is okay Leah, sounds really painful.
> Doug
> 
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 5:45:35 PM UTC-4, Glen wrote:
>> Check out Smith glasses with interchangable lenses. Also, I have always 
>> found yellow lenses better for low light conditions than clear since they 
>> seem to increase contrast.
>> 
>> Steep and Cheap has Smiths on sale quite often (just about always) and 
>> Smiths' warrantee and customer service is amazing.
>> 
>>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>>> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
>>> need to get out.
>>> 
>>> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
>>> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
>>> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
>>> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
>>> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
>>> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
>>> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
>>> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
>>> never leave without sunglasses. 
>>> 
>>> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
>>> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
>>> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
>>> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
>>> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
>>> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
>>> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
>>> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
>>> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
>>> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
>>> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
>>> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
>>> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>>> 
>>> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
>>> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
>>> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
>>> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>>> 
>>> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>>> 
>>> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
>>> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
>>> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
>>> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
>>> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
>>> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
>>> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
>>> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
>>> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
>>> bike. 
>>> 
>>> I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? I 
>>> want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. 
>>> 
>>> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
>>> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
>>> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
>>> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>>> 
>>> Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you have 
>>> a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
>>> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
>>> factor here. 
>>> 
>>> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
>>> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Doug Hansford]

I've never had a pair of Oakley glasses that weren't good. Oakley, to me, 
is worth the extra money. I posted a similar question here in the past 
couple months and my man Joe Bernard hooked me up with THREE pair of 
Oakley. I gave two of them to my sons and kept the EV Zero. They have good 
coverage, are light weight, and the lens works great in all levels of 
light, except for darkness. I plan to get a pair of clear lens glasses 
soon. I'm glad your eye is okay Leah, sounds really painful.
Doug

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 5:45:35 PM UTC-4, Glen wrote:
>
> Check out Smith glasses with interchangable lenses. Also, I have always 
> found yellow lenses better for low light conditions than clear since they 
> seem to increase contrast.
>
> Steep and Cheap has Smiths on sale quite often (just about always) and 
> Smiths' warrantee and customer service is amazing.
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words 
>> I need to get out.
>>
>> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
>> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
>> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
>> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
>> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
>> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
>> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
>> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
>> never leave without sunglasses. 
>>
>> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
>> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
>> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
>> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
>> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
>> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
>> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
>> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
>> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
>> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
>> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
>> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
>> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>>
>> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
>> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
>> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
>> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>>
>> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>>
>> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
>> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
>> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
>> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
>> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
>> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
>> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
>> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
>> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
>> bike. 
>>
>> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
>> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>>
>> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
>> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
>> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
>> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>>
>> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
>> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
>> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
>> factor here. *
>>
>> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
>> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sunglasses

[Glen]

Check out Smith glasses with interchangable lenses. Also, I have always 
found yellow lenses better for low light conditions than clear since they 
seem to increase contrast.

Steep and Cheap has Smiths on sale quite often (just about always) and 
Smiths' warrantee and customer service is amazing.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:26:58 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
> need to get out.
>
> Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
> beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
> summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
> in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
> to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
> white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
> I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
> gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
> never leave without sunglasses. 
>
> A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
> took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
> bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
> get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
> pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
> the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
> riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
> had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
> was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
> because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
> pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
> Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
> swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 
>
> Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
> ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
> didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
> hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 
>
> 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 
>
> It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
> settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
> sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
> either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
> rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
> protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
> and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
> esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
> glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
> bike. 
>
> *I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? 
> I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *
>
> Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
> Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
> Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
> bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 
>
> *Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you 
> have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
> sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
> factor here. *
>
> Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
> weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.
>
> Thanks!
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Sunglasses

[Robert Tilley]

  I have tried a bunch of glasses and have settled on the Rudy Project Rydon frame.https://www.rudyproject.com/ww/en/products/performance-eyewear/rydon.htmlI get mine with prescription lenses and they work really well for me and they don't look too weird. I have also had good luck with Jimarti sunglasses that I found on Amazon. They have lots of different styles and most are cheap but I find that their lenses are pretty nice. I use these when I don't want to risk my expensive glasses.I ride in whatever I happen to be wearing at the time I need to ride. Since I work from home now this tends to be pretty casual and not very stylish. My bikes look good though.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jonasandle...@gmail.comSent: May 31, 2020 2:27 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Sunglasses  I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I need to get out.Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I never leave without sunglasses. A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my bike. I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? I want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you have a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a factor here. Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.Thanks!Leah



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[RBW] Sunglasses

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ll get to the sunglasses part, but first just let me say all the words I 
need to get out.

Lately I’ve been shuffling over the practical side. I would love to have 
beauty and utility both present, but sometimes it doesn’t work out. The 
summer months have come to Vegas and as I have greatly increased my miles 
in 2020 (in May alone I rode 310.4 miles!), I have had to make some changes 
to withstand the sun. I’m not riding in Lycra, but I do have synthetic, 
white arm sleeves that keep you cool, covered, and shielded from the sun. 
I’ve taken to wetting and tying a bandana around my neck and wearing riding 
gloves on my hands. I apply a nasty white mineral sunscreen at times, but I 
never leave without sunglasses. 

A few days ago I went out for an evening ride. It was dark enough that I 
took off my sunglasses and was soon after hit in the eyes several times by 
bugs. That was annoying but workable until the final one, which managed to 
get IN my eye and then repeatedly bite or sting. Oh my gosh, the pain. I 
pulled over but I was using the stripped down Clem H (my Clementine is in 
the shop getting dyno lighting, another thing I needed with all this extra 
riding) and it has no mirror. The bathrooms at the park were locked, so I 
had nothing but my phone camera to use and try and fish this bug - which 
was still ferociously stinging me - out of my eye. It must have died 
because the pain stopped, but I never did find the bug carcass. 濫 I was 
pretty sure all that biting/stinging was going to leave me with swelling. 
Was I going to have to ride home after dark, up the mountain with one eye 
swollen shut? (Spoiler alert: I made it home with 2 good eyes.) 

Well that was when I decided I wanted clear riding glasses for night. I 
ordered Tifosi from Amazon but was really disappointed. They slid down and 
didn’t offer good eye coverage. I ended up on Oakley’s site, which I was 
hoping to avoid for 2 reasons: 

1. $$$ 2. I’m not rad. 

It’s really hard to find fit info and product reviews, but I finally 
settled on creating a custom pair so I could tone down the rad. There’s a 
sale going on right now, so while it’s not cheap, it’s not outrageous, 
either. They’re Radar EV Pitch, I think, and might still be a little too 
rad - but who’s going to see me? Well, now I’m going to have great eye 
protection at night, but what about sunglasses for daytime? I have 2 pairs, 
and while I think they’re fetching, they aren’t providing great coverage - 
esp. the Warby Parkers. The sun comes down into my eyes from the top of the 
glasses, and I don’t want to put up with it anymore. At least not on my 
bike. 

*I want to know: What do you all like to use for sunglasses while riding? I 
want good coverage, but I don’t want to look like a cyborg, either. *

Lastly, I feel like I am morphing from something that once resembled 
Practical Cycle Chic into what The Bike Snob would call The Lone Wolf. 
Picture the polka dot helmet, white arms sleeves, Keen sandals, neck 
bandanna and Oakleys - it’s not lookin’ good, it’s lookin’ Lone Wolf-y. 

*Should I just embrace it and get wild Oakley’s for the sun? Or do you have 
a more reasonable suggestion? Is there a gold standard for cycling 
sunglasses? I have 20/10 vision, they tell me, so prescription is not a 
factor here. *

Attached is the night glasses I am having made. It’s going to be a couple 
weeks before I get them. Go ahead and laugh. I am.

Thanks!
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[J L]

Eyelet update. 

Green no.
Orange yes.
Grey yes.

Was there only one run of each? 

> On May 31, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Eyelets on fork below brakes:
> 
> Not on the original greens, not sure if any orange Quickbeams showed up with 
> them. The final silver had them. 
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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Michael Baquerizo]

The comments section of that thread also lists the pros and cons of a 
trailer from a lot of different POVs, like peace of mind having something 
trailing behind you so far, better for younger kids who will inevitably 
fall asleep on longer rides. Anyway, i'll shut up and I promise i'm not a 
xtracycle spokesman. 

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 3:17:55 PM UTC-4, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> Ah, gotcha. The removability is obviously not an option here.
>
> I wasn't showing you that bike for the yepp seat they have on it. It just 
> hit a few of your other points, like able to go off road and handling the 
> weight. I've seen 3-4 kids on the back of an xtracycle, and am also 
> considering one myself.
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:46:09 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>> Thanks for the link - neat bike. In my case though, I already have a Yepp 
>> seat setup, but my oldest is reaching the weight limit for the seat itself 
>> - not sure I want to push that limit at all, which is why I'm looking 
>> specifically for a trailer. And also wanting something that can be 
>> attached/detached somewhat easily to use the bike without kids in tow.
>> Here's my latest setup: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-koMDRFxak/
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 11:03:28 AM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>>
>>> I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article 
>>> and in the comments:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/
>>>
>>> obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean 
>>> buying the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:

 My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight 
 limit from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 

 So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning 
 toward a trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 

 Any trailer recommendations that: 
 - are designed for children 
 - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
 - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 

 Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
 Thanks, 
 David
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Michael Baquerizo]

Ah, gotcha. The removability is obviously not an option here.

I wasn't showing you that bike for the yepp seat they have on it. It just 
hit a few of your other points, like able to go off road and handling the 
weight. I've seen 3-4 kids on the back of an xtracycle, and am also 
considering one myself.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 1:46:09 PM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> Michael,
> Thanks for the link - neat bike. In my case though, I already have a Yepp 
> seat setup, but my oldest is reaching the weight limit for the seat itself 
> - not sure I want to push that limit at all, which is why I'm looking 
> specifically for a trailer. And also wanting something that can be 
> attached/detached somewhat easily to use the bike without kids in tow.
> Here's my latest setup: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-koMDRFxak/
> David
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 11:03:28 AM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>>
>> I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article and 
>> in the comments:
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/
>>
>> obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean 
>> buying the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>>
>>> My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight 
>>> limit from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 
>>>
>>> So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward 
>>> a trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 
>>>
>>> Any trailer recommendations that: 
>>> - are designed for children 
>>> - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
>>> - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 
>>>
>>> Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
>>> Thanks, 
>>> David
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Robert Tilley]

I typically don't lock up my Riv but I also don't ride it much due to my riding 
being mostly utilitarian these days. My Bromptons get the most use and those go 
into businesses with me. When I need to lock up my E-bike I use a Kryptonite 
NYC chain for the frame and a cable lock for the wheels. This bike also has an 
Abus wheel lock. I used to carry the chain for locking up at work but got tired 
of the weight after a while.

I did just get in on the new steel Tigr lock Kickstarter so I'll be testing 
those out soon hopefully.  I have also used the Kryptonite Evolution long 
shackle lock, Abus Bordo and Master Cuff locks with success. I've never had a 
bike stolen while I had it locked up.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA



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I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past 
couple of years.  Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs 
are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is 
“high” security).

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ 
leftover from the shop.  $95 & $105 shipped, respectively.  PM me if u have 
interest. 


Alex in Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[Joe Bernard]

Eyelets on fork below brakes:

Not on the original greens, not sure if any orange Quickbeams showed up with 
them. The final silver had them. 

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Howard Hatten]

David,
I bought a burley dlite off Craigslist for $100. I haul my groceries more than 
my grandkids but it works fine for both. 
My daughter bought a burley encore. It has many nice features for collapsing 
and storage purposes. I believe they offer larger tires for off road use. 
New, they’re expensive. She purchased hers online from bed bath & beyond. They 
allowed her to use her 20% off coupon for a savings of $100. 

Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Robert Tilley]

  I believe they state that you should wipe down your chain after every ride which would keep the chain cleaner. I never do that and only wipe down the chain when I re-lube the chain. I just checked the chains on a couple of bikes that haven't been re-lubed in a while and the chains are still pretty clean.Another good thing about NFS is that one bottle will last a long time. 12 drops per chain uses far less than the one drop every link I used with Boeshield.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: mhech...@gmail.comSent: May 31, 2020 4:45 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then spread the lube back to the chain sides?MichaelOn Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:  I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/   I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA  Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From:  mhec...@gmail.comSent: May 28, 2020 4:18 PMTo: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains  Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner and reduce wear?Your experience, appreciated.Michael



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[RBW] Re: bike and paddle

[Clark Fitzgerald]

Yeah, I think a folding bike would be nice.

On Friday, May 29, 2020 at 11:53:09 AM UTC-7, E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
> I have a cheap inflatable kayak and a cheap folding bike that I use to 
> ride up river and float down. The folded up bike without wheels attaches to 
> the back and the wheels stow on the front. It works fine but a little bit 
> of a pain. I am planning on adding a tube into the mix to put the folder in 
> and tow with the kayak. My river is slow and wide so I'm not worried about 
> rapids or anything. My old river was small, shallow, and was only passable 
> when the water was high. 
>
> I have never tried paddle boarding but I hear it is fun. Thanks for the 
> cool idea! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[J L]

I’m in the bay area and would love to take ownership of a 56 quickbeam, or a 
54. 

Did they all have eyelets on the front of the fork under the bake posts?

Jason

> On May 31, 2020, at 9:57 AM, ted  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hang in there. They seem to go in spurts, so nothing now definitely doesn't 
> mean never. 
> I speculate that being hard to replace hinders folks inclination to decide to 
> sell theirs. But when they see one offered, they think maybe I should sell 
> mine too.
> 
>> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-7, Andrew Huston wrote:
>> I’m definitely planning on holding out for a QB. I just need to be patient.
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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[David B]

Michael,
Thanks for the link - neat bike. In my case though, I already have a Yepp 
seat setup, but my oldest is reaching the weight limit for the seat itself 
- not sure I want to push that limit at all, which is why I'm looking 
specifically for a trailer. And also wanting something that can be 
attached/detached somewhat easily to use the bike without kids in tow.
Here's my latest setup: https://www.instagram.com/p/B-koMDRFxak/
David

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 11:03:28 AM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article and 
> in the comments:
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/
>
> obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean buying 
> the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight 
>> limit from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 
>>
>> So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward 
>> a trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 
>>
>> Any trailer recommendations that: 
>> - are designed for children 
>> - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
>> - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 
>>
>> Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
>> Thanks, 
>> David
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Mike Packard]

Weehoo. Little ones can help peddle or just fall asleep, very maneuverable, 
goes anywhere. Daughter is 7 and still wants to ride ours.  
https://rideweehoo.com/



On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:02:15 AM UTC-5, David B wrote:
>
> My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight limit 
> from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 
>
> So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward a 
> trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 
>
> Any trailer recommendations that: 
> - are designed for children 
> - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
> - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 
>
> Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
> Thanks, 
> David

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[RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[ted]

Hang in there. They seem to go in spurts, so nothing now definitely doesn't 
mean never. 
I speculate that being hard to replace hinders folks inclination to decide 
to sell theirs. But when they see one offered, they think maybe I should 
sell mine too.

On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 9:36:06 AM UTC-7, Andrew Huston wrote:
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> I’m definitely planning on holding out for a QB. I just need to be 
> patient. 

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[RBW] WTB: Sugino Left Side Crankarm 170mm

[RichS]

Eric,

If you keep striking out in your search, Universal Cycles sells Sugino left 
side arms $26 - $31. Unfortunately they’re out of stock at the moment:-(  
Hopefully Bill’s will work.

Best,
Rich in ATL



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[RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[Andrew Huston]

I’m definitely planning on holding out for a QB. I just need to be patient. 

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Michael Baquerizo]

And here is the result 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_Nb9FAllyh/



On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 12:03:28 PM UTC-4, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article and 
> in the comments:
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/
>
> obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean buying 
> the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>>
>> My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight 
>> limit from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 
>>
>> So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward 
>> a trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 
>>
>> Any trailer recommendations that: 
>> - are designed for children 
>> - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
>> - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 
>>
>> Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
>> Thanks, 
>> David
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[Michael Baquerizo]

I found a wealth of info on this topic from here, both in the article and 
in the comments:

https://theradavist.com/2020/01/living-car-lite-with-surlys-big-easy-electric-cargo-bike/

obviously since youre hoping it attaches to a clem, that would mean buying 
the leap from xtracycle, but i *think *the result is similar?



On Sunday, May 31, 2020 at 10:02:15 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:
>
> My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight limit 
> from Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 
>
> So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward a 
> trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 
>
> Any trailer recommendations that: 
> - are designed for children 
> - can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat 
> - can handle some dirt/gravel trails 
>
> Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
> Thanks, 
> David

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Re: [RBW] Re: Locking Up your Riv

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

I’ve been using a combination of the TiGr mini+ and Otto lock for the past 
couple of years.  Both are excellent for their intended purposes and the tigrs 
are particularly elegant as far as lock choices are concerned (neither is 
“high” security). 

And not to hijack but I have (2) tigr minis and *I think* (2) tigr mini plus’ 
leftover from the shop.  $95 & $105 shipped, respectively.  PM me if u have 
interest. 


Alex in Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: WTB quickbeam or simple one

[Patch T]

I'd recommend you choose a QB over a CC, given you had access to both and 
you knew you didn't want the option to add gears. But CC is not a terrible 
choice if that is what is available to you, but I wouldn't compare the two 
(I owned both as my primary 2 bikes for 5 or so years; still have the QB). 
I loved how versatile a blank canvas it was for different kinds of builds.

+1 for hunting down a 70s/early80s frame with good tubing. My 1981 Trek 710 
(like 
this) 

 
has seen a 650b rando/long-ride conversion with gears, but is currently 
back to single speed 700c x 38 slicks (just barely clears the rear brake 
bridge) and albratross bars for city riding. It feels a lot like the QB.

Patch
BK/NY



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[RBW] Kid/Haulin’ Trailer Recommendations for Clem.

[David B]

My older kid is getting too big for a Yepp rear seat based on weight limit from 
Yepp - rack itself is rated a lot higher. 

So, looking into options - a trail a bike might work, but leaning toward a 
trailer that could do duty as a grocery hauler. 

Any trailer recommendations that:
- are designed for children
- can fit 2 children OR work with an existing rack/rear child seat
- can handle some dirt/gravel trails

Not sure about mounting options for a Clem H, but it’ll go on there. 
Thanks,
David

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Re: [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains

[Michael Hechmer]

Never heard of it, but they certainly make extravagant claims!   The idea 
of only using 12 drops for an entire chain and then letting the cogs 
redistribute sounds interesting and should result in less lube leaking to 
the sides of the chain, where in attracts dirt.  But doesn't the cog then 
spread the lube back to the chain sides?

Michael

On Saturday, May 30, 2020 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Tilley wrote:
>
> I have recently switched over to NFS lube after years of using Boeshield. 
> I am finding that the NFS lasts much longer and needs to be reapplied less 
> frequently. It also keeps the drivetrain very quiet and the chain stays 
> clean. I was skeptical that 12 drops world be enough to work but it does.
>
> http://nixfrixshun.com/nixfrixshun-ultimate-bicycle-chainlube/
>
> I have tried most of the dry lubes out there and always found that the wax 
> they use collected on the cogs and I would periodically need to remove the 
> cassette and give it a good cleaning. I have always been curious about 
> doing a proper wax job on my chains and may do it at some point but NFS 
> works so well for me I don't have the motivation to try right now.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> *From:* mhec...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* May 28, 2020 4:18 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Reply-to:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Hot Waxing Chains
>
> Greetings, one and all.  It has been a long time, at least a few years, 
> since my last post and I am just assuming my membership is still active.
>
> At 75+, I still ride regularly, although not the distances I used to.  I 
> live in a small town in far northern VT, which has mostly dirt roads. I 
> just ride; I don't desire new stuff nor do anything heroic worth writing 
> about.  I have a Ramboulliet, a Trek 620, An early Saluki (my goto ride), 
> and a custom Bilenky touring tandem.  My wife rides a Betty Foy and my 
> daughter a Cheviot.   All but the Trek have fenders but that's still a lot 
> of chains out on dirty roads and a lot of messy time cleaning them.
>
> Can you teach an old dog new tricks?  Well maybe.   I clean the chains, 
> rings and cogs with mineral spirits and citrosol.  I use a standard oil 
> lube and wipe them down as best I can.  The process of wiping down the 
> chains inevitably contaminates the rings and cogs with oil and the first 
> ride bleeds oil from the inside to the outside of the chain.  The oil 
> collects dirt, which wears down rings and cogs.  (I just ordered three new 
> rings today, so I'm focused).  Every time I go through this process of 
> cleaning 9 chains, I watch a youtube video on chain waxing but get put off 
> by the initial effort and purchase of a crock pot, ultrasonic cleaner, etc; 
> and wonder if it would really improve this process ; keep the chain cleaner 
> and reduce wear?
>
> Your experience, appreciated.
>
> Michael
>
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