date:20200607

Here's a better pic of the Baggins. 

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 10:02:47 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
> The ones Joe Bernard posted were closer, Joe - did those have a magnet system 
> for the closure?
> 
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-7, Gustavo Vasquez wrote:
> 
> Pretty sure this one isn't it but I think it's an older baggins, the fella I 
> bought it from had a Atlantis that he eventually snapped in several places 
> while living in Lake County, California. 
> 
> Had the Nitto dedicated handlebar rack when I bought it, which started to 
> crack and traded it out for a Kickfix. 
> 
> It's been thrown around in different configurations several times, including 
> being strapped to a Nitto Marks Rack with nylon straps and rivets. 
> (Which can still be seen on the bottom and back as a tombstone strap) 
> 
> If anyone is interested in this, it's $100 shipped in USA. 
> 
> 
> Gustavo,
> Santa Rosa, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 9:27 PM David Stein  wrote:
> Thanks, the latest ones I saw (which is what I’m interested in) wasn’t too 
> long ago so likely well past the Baggins name and was a dark color. 
> Interested to see who has one? 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > Baggins Boxy Bag with a dedicated Nitto mount. I believe it had several 
> > iterations so not always Baggins brand. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
> 
> >> What was that handlebar bag that Rivendell used to have that was boxy and 
> >> shaped like a front rando bag but it was fully attached to the handlebars 
> >> instead of needing a front rack? It has these awesome magnets to keep 
> >> shut? Last one I saw a few years back at the walnut creek shop was a dark 
> >> brown?
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> 
> 
> >> Anyone have one to sell?
> 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

Dstein, I don't think so, I'm pretty sure it used a brass buckle like the other 
Baggins stuff of the time. I don't remember the brown one you're thinking of, 
that's a fairly recent (3 years ago?) color. 

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread Grady Wright

not exactly what you asked for but I'm going to share it anyway. 80mm with 
lots of rise. Nitto and has a 25.4 bar clamp. I have only seen this on Blue 
Lug but seems like people have had good experience ordering from them.

https://global.bluelug.com/nitto-mcr65-stem-silver.html


On Sunday, 7 June 2020 13:37:26 UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I love my Wavy Bar better than Jones on my GBW, but want it higher/closer, 
> like the Jones is, so wondering what inexpensive, quality stem options 
> there are for short (5cm or less) and/or with rise.
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

2020-06-07 Thread dstein

The ones Joe Bernard posted were closer, Joe - did those have a magnet 
system for the closure?

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:57:45 PM UTC-7, Gustavo Vasquez wrote:
>
> Pretty sure this one isn't it but I think it's an older baggins, the fella 
> I bought it from had a Atlantis that he eventually snapped in several 
> places while living in Lake County, California. 
>
> Had the Nitto dedicated handlebar rack when I bought it, which started to 
> crack and traded it out for a Kickfix. 
>
> It's been thrown around in different configurations several times, 
> including being strapped to a Nitto Marks Rack with nylon straps and 
> rivets. 
> (Which can still be seen on the bottom and back as a tombstone strap) 
>
> If anyone is interested in this, it's $100 shipped in USA. 
>
> Gustavo,
> Santa Rosa, CA
> [image: DSC_8256.JPG]
> [image: DSC_8268.JPG]
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 9:27 PM David Stein  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, the latest ones I saw (which is what I’m interested in) wasn’t 
>> too long ago so likely well past the Baggins name and was a dark color. 
>> Interested to see who has one? 
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard > > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Baggins Boxy Bag with a dedicated Nitto mount. I believe it had several 
>> iterations so not always Baggins brand. 
>> > 
>> > On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>> >> What was that handlebar bag that Rivendell used to have that was boxy 
>> and shaped like a front rando bag but it was fully attached to the 
>> handlebars instead of needing a front rack? It has these awesome magnets to 
>> keep shut? Last one I saw a few years back at the walnut creek shop was a 
>> dark brown?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Anyone have one to sell?
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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-07 Thread Steve Gipson

I love the shape of this frame. It's like a swoopy fast version of the clem and 
it would look even better with the curvy seat stays seen on some of the other 
rivs

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

2020-06-07 Thread David Stein

Thanks, the latest ones I saw (which is what I’m interested in) wasn’t too long 
ago so likely well past the Baggins name and was a dark color. Interested to 
see who has one? 

> On Jun 7, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Baggins Boxy Bag with a dedicated Nitto mount. I believe it had several 
> iterations so not always Baggins brand. 
> 
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 9:15:56 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>> What was that handlebar bag that Rivendell used to have that was boxy and 
>> shaped like a front rando bag but it was fully attached to the handlebars 
>> instead of needing a front rack? It has these awesome magnets to keep shut? 
>> Last one I saw a few years back at the walnut creek shop was a dark brown?
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone have one to sell?
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[RBW] WTB: Rivendell handlebard rando bag (forgot the name)

2020-06-07 Thread dstein

What was that handlebar bag that Rivendell used to have that was boxy and 
shaped like a front rando bag but it was fully attached to the handlebars 
instead of needing a front rack? It has these awesome magnets to keep shut? 
Last one I saw a few years back at the walnut creek shop was a dark brown?

Anyone have one to sell?

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

I think GP would ask him and he would say no. 

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Rivendell model names?

2020-06-07 Thread dstein

Throwing my hat in the ring for Hunqapillar as my favorite. I'm not a fan 
of the people names: Sam Hillborne, Frank Jones Jr, Clem Smith, with one 
exception being A Homer Hilsen just because it sounds like an old timey 
baseball player and I like baseball. Though, I would love to see a Henry 
Rollins bike, think he'd sue?

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Re: [RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

I'm not sure Jim ever took a position about the Blahg. I did and thought it was 
on topic and hoo boy was I wrong, it's a personal blog about all kinds of stuff 
that's probably best handled on Rivbike's Instagram or an email to Grant. There 
are conversations I've had here related to it that I wouldn't entertain today. 

Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread Eric G@rs

Argh, I foolishly confused thread less with threaded. My bad. 

Eric 

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Re: [RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar

Grant starts a number of wildly off-topic hares. Take just one example:
"Eat Bacon, Don't Jog." We have in the past in effect taken the
position that if Grant Petersen wrote about it, it's on topic, no matter
what kind of wild and crazy notion it is, or how more or less it might
be related to bicycles at all, never mind Rivendell bicycles in
particular. I think if you want to be able to draw the line and maintain
that pure focus, that's got to change.

On 6/6/20 2:20 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Hi Jim,

I'm in agreement with everything you wrote. Thank you.

I do have a question about limiting posts, specifically your
request to "Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_ threads." In the
past, some of RBW's Blug & Blahg posts incited some very heated
exchanges (i.e. helmets, zip ties, hard boiled eggs, flipping a bike
upside down to change a tire), and now we have Grant's Blahg about
racism. So my question is: what is and is not RBW-related? I'm not
being facetious, because it seems RBW is kind of a controversial business.

I'm not going to start any discussions, but I was wondering?

Thanks,

John Phillips

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne

Riv has a 60mm in the hi-riser threadless version and assuming the 6cm is 
measured parallel to the angle of rise like dirt drop quill stems it might be 
closer to 5cm +/- in total reach.
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/stems/products/nitto-hiriser-25-4-1-1-8-threadless-stem-16252?variant=12243558531183

Otherwise I have a short and stubby Dimension brand threadless stem in 31.8 I’d 
used with a Jones loop bar (so just need a shim for 25.4 or 26.0 bars) and they 
seem come in many lengths/sizes and might be worth seeking out to test fit 
before settling in something more costly.  

Best,
Brian Cole

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Good folks in your neighboring Utah make this fiver- 
https://www.altaracks.com/product/alta-six-gpr-five-pack/
-Kai

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread A. Douglas M.

Deacon,

The challenge with this situation is finding a “Riv” like solution. When I had 
the same need as you, I was looking at a DMR Defy 50 stem. Threadless, 50mm 
(available in 35mm too) and 5mm of rise. It looks good in a robot CNC machined 
sort of way but not in a lugs and leather sort of way. Cost about $50 online. 

Other than that I was looking at $125+ options from Paul, Crust (Nitto), or 
Analog. Too rich for a stem for me. 

Best,

Aaron

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Understood, Jim. Thank you. Soothing balm makes a lot of sense. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 8:09:05 PM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> Thank you Deacon.
>
> Given the tension and tone of the world right now, I'd rather not try that 
> experiment for a little bit. 
>
> I'm not necessarily saying it's off the table, but I'd prefer to table 
> that at the moment. 
>
> - Jim
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
>> into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
>> strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
>> signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
>> deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
>> loved in the past about this group and miss now.
>>
>> - We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
>> attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
>> stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
>> have learned a great deal from them.
>>
>> - Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I 
>> miss that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
>> journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
>> folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
>> discourse.
>>
>> Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
>> needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
>> that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
>> the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.
>>
>> Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
>> muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
>> anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
>> and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
>> would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
>> other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
>> and learn what others think.
>>
>> The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:
>>
>> "This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
>> the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
>> other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
>> viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
>> each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
>> take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
>> to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
>> from your own."
>>
>> Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
>> either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
>> filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."
>>
>> One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing 
>> events of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I 
>> believe, an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be 
>> able to discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.
>>
>> I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. 
>> This would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Hi John - 

Please see my response to Franklyn's post, which covers most of what you 
mention.

- Jim


On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 6:43:00 PM UTC-7, John Phillips wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I'm in agreement with everything you wrote. Thank you.
>
> I do have a question about limiting posts, specifically your request 
> to "Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads." In the past, some of 
> RBW's Blug & Blahg posts incited some very heated exchanges (i.e. helmets, 
> zip ties, hard boiled eggs, flipping a bike upside down to change a tire), 
> and now we have Grant's Blahg about racism. So my question is: what is and 
> is not RBW-related? I'm not being facetious, because it seems RBW is kind 
> of a controversial business.
>
> I'm not going to start any discussions, but I was wondering?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John Phillips
>

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Thank you Deacon.

Given the tension and tone of the world right now, I'd rather not try that 
experiment for a little bit. 

I'm not necessarily saying it's off the table, but I'd prefer to table that 
at the moment. 

- Jim

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour 
> into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these 
> strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my 
> signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are 
> deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have 
> loved in the past about this group and miss now.
>
> - We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company 
> attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main 
> stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and 
> have learned a great deal from them.
>
> - Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I 
> miss that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the 
> journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with 
> folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their 
> discourse.
>
> Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it 
> needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020" 
> that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with 
> the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.
>
> Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes 
> muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent 
> anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought 
> and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It 
> would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into 
> other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen 
> and learn what others think.
>
> The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:
>
> "This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with 
> the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every 
> other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and 
> viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are 
> each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but 
> take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking 
> to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ 
> from your own."
>
> Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate, 
> either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule 
> filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."
>
> One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing 
> events of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I 
> believe, an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be 
> able to discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.
>
> I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. 
> This would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

Franklyn - 

Thank you for your thoughtful post and questions. 

My greatest concern is that everyone is raw enough right now that it 
doesn't take much to trigger things. 

I guess I'm asking people to de-escalate rather than intensify any 
conversations, should that choice be available to them. 

Regarding "neutral" - I'd again emphasize "neutral ground" rather than 
"neutrality". In the sense of not arguing about that here rather than not 
having a position. 

As far as what's appropriate to this group. It's difficult to answer in the 
abstract. Most of the time we all disagree a bit without it becoming quite 
personal. Lately that has not been the case. It might be difficult to talk 
about GP's posts, ride reports to demonstrations or other topics being 
influenced by what's going on. I just ask that we give one another a bit of 
space.  

There's never been a requirement to own a Rivendell to be a part of this 
community. As it says above (or at least above on my page right now):
*RBW Owners Bunch - Dedicated to the discussion of Rivendell Bicycles and 
products*
Ride reports encouraged, as is a respectful, supportive and polite tone in 
all posts.
This group is not endorsed by Rivendell Bicycle Works.  You don't need to 
own one - just an interest in RBW designs is enough to join in.

That's kind of the "center line". Other stuff less so. Yes, that is a bit 
of a vague answer. But I've always felt that the "respectful, supportive 
and polite tone" was what helped to make this a good place to hang out.

Again, Franklyn, thank you for your comments. 

- Jim

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 6:52:18 AM UTC-7, franklyn wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Appreciate what you do to keep the group going. We have "known" each other 
> not quite 25 years, but I think I sent my first entry to your cyclofiend 
> website in the mid 2000's. Since you own this group, your wish to keep the 
> group insulated from exclusively rivendell-related threads rules the day. I 
> suspect 90%+ of the threads would not come close to touching the boundary, 
> though as someone who no longer owns any rivendell, whether I can start any 
> thread is questionable by your current set of rules.
>
> "Neutrality" is quite an artificial concept. I don't think that's quite 
> the proper word here. I think many of us would readily acknowledge we have 
> views, but what you ask us to do on this forum is to be "silent" about them 
> here. However, I also think if the group wishes to really be "neutral", 
> then applying and enforcing the rules fairly is important. Calling 
> something "divisive crap" is decidedly not neutral. 
>
> As I said, I think 90%+ of threads will be fine, but rules are tested in 
> the margin, so I just want to check out a few edge cases.
>
> Is talking about Grant's blahg, if it does not pertain to Rivendell bikes 
> directly, also off limit now? 
>
> What about a hypothetical ride report that includes the following 
> observation: I was on the Capitol crown trail in Bethesda, MD, and saw a 
> cyclist charged three teenagers who were posting fliers about a protest. 
> Later I found out that the cyclist has been apprehended?
>
> Could I include in my ride report hostility I encountered from motorists 
> (there were definitely threads on how many times we have been 'coal rolled' 
> by diesel trucks)? How about if those hostility were racially motivated? Is 
> that too much for this "refuge" then?
>
> I don't know what percent of list members are people of color, women, 
> and/or members of LGBTQ community. I guess my point of asking that question 
> is that when I ride, I encounter things that relate to the core issues of 
> what people are protesting about. Should we exclude those from our ride 
> reports?
>
> Finally, I just want to echo what Jonathan D. said in the other thread, 
> the expectation to be able to insulate oneself from the "noises" is a form 
> of priviledge. I understand that people want to maintain that privilege 
> here, and in the context of a bicycle group this maintenance is harmless 
> enough. But it it's priviledge nonetheless. 
>
> Btw, even our names are political and have systemic racism in it. I came 
> to this country in the early 90s as a teenager. Before 9-11, immigration 
> officers and government workers would openly encourage people to pick 
> americanized names because their native names are "too hard to pronounce". 
> "Franklyn" borned out partially from that, but also is created from my 
> internalized colonization, as an attempt to assimilate and fit in. 
>
> I do value the group interactions and the threads, and I want to reiterate 
> my appreciation for what Jim has done. And all that are not in conflict 
> with my wish for the group to be more reflective of the time and history we 
> are living through.
>
> Best,
> Franklyn 
>
>

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[RBW] ISO: Brooks B72, black

2020-06-07 Thread Lucky

Greetings all, I’m looking to buy a Brooks B72 in black for a camping bike 
build (MB-6 frame). 
If anyone has one for sale please message me? 

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[RBW] Re: FS- fenders, Brooks Saddle, Baggins Trunk bag, Nitto lugged seat post

2020-06-07 Thread Andy L

Hey Ryan,
Sorry about the darkness-  I tried to contact you yesterday- I'm not sure I 
got your pm, but anyway, they're all yours- I hope this gets through-
Andy

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 5:01:21 PM UTC-4, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard back from Andy?
> Been dark since my early inquires and offers to buy?
>
> Ryan Hankinson
> West Michigan
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[RBW] List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread ☆ PaulB ☆

I’m new here and really happy to find this group. Please keep it alive!

Buying and selling is helpful, but I’ve been using I to look at other builds 
and get ideas for a couple rob frames I’m building up. And I bought an older 
model Sam H double top tube here too, a frame I’d been jonesing after forever. 

Also love the ride lust reports. 

Thank you  

Paul

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch

Hi Jim,

I'm in agreement with everything you wrote. Thank you.

I do have a question about limiting posts, specifically your request to 
"Please do not start non-RBW _bicycle_  threads." In the past, some of 
RBW's Blug & Blahg posts incited some very heated exchanges (i.e. helmets, 
zip ties, hard boiled eggs, flipping a bike upside down to change a tire), 
and now we have Grant's Blahg about racism. So my question is: what is and 
is not RBW-related? I'm not being facetious, because it seems RBW is kind 
of a controversial business.

I'm not going to start any discussions, but I was wondering?

Thanks,

John Phillips

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[RBW] WTB Homer Hilsen 61.5 and/or 60cm Quickbeam w Cantis

2020-06-07 Thread Andrew Stevens

Howdy! Im a long time Riv fan whos never owned one! Looking for some wierd 
ones, f/f or complete.

Thanks!
Andrew

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

2020-06-07 Thread Andrew MacDonald

I have an Atlantis with a basket but haven’t been on the trail since last 
Monday. My gf and good friend both have Hillbornes, one black the other sage. 
See you out there sometime. 

-Andrew

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[RBW] FS: Hubbuhubbuh frame - Medium/Orange

2020-06-07 Thread Adam Kimball

Hi all,

Brand spanking new HH frame in Medium.  Color is orange. Includes frame, 
fork, headset, BB, and some hardware.  I will throw in two seat posts that 
I purchased at the same time.  I have the Silver tandem crankset and if you 
want it, let me know but it is NOT included in this price though you will 
see it in a picture or two.

Taken out of the Rivendell box only for pictures and put back in with some 
additional protection.  Selling because I ended up with a small that fits 
just about perfectly and though I'd way prefer the orange, it's gotta fit.  

$1750 of best offer.  Shipping will be by bike flights and will be the 
actual price shipped to you including insurance.  If you are near me (and I 
am in Boise, ID) we can talk about a pickup/meetup.

Plenty of pictures here . Reach out with any 
questions.

Be safe and well,
Adam

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

Patrick, I don't think anyone would know because that thingy is designed to 
keep a bag off the canti cable, hence, most everyone who's used it had that. 
But my guess? Yep! I'm going to say your guard got loose and maybe they all 
tend to, but you didn't have a brake wire to interfere with its intention of 
tumbling into your wheel. 

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[RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

Eagle eye! No, no rear brake cantilever cable housing hangar like that
shown in the photo; just bare straight stays.

All: Is such a hangar necessary for succesful use of the Nitto Wire Guard?

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 6:18 PM Mitch Harris  wrote:
Do you have a brake hanger bridge like that on your gofast? It looks like
the one in this photo above is trapped in place by the hanger bridge and
hanger cable fitting.

>
> Mitch
> in Utah
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R10 rear bag support and Pletscher Clem w/ pannier rails

2020-06-07 Thread Conway Bennett

Everything sold and that Clem rack went fast.  Thanks for helping clear up some 
space.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

Peace. Nobody should ever try to mess with your tubeless Big Ones. The 
proof is in the pudding, or something.

Schwalbe SV19A tubes for 700C x 40-62mm 140gr.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
doubtless available elsewhere too.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:54:02 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I don't want to hear more evidence. I want my tubeless Big Ones. *Quod 
> erat demonstrandum *(as Euclid would say).
>
> But I'm pleased to hear you can buy 140 gram fat tubes.
>
> Patrick "the evidence is good enough for me, data be damned" Moore
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:46 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't doubt she shaved 1.5 lbs in the switch at all, just that it is 
>> all in swapping tubes for sealant.
>>
>> Try your calcs again ignoring the tires.
>> e.g:
>>(250-60)*2/454 -> ~ 0.84 lbs
>>
>> Now the tires alone:
>>(800-450)*2/454 -> ~ 1.54 lbs
>>
>> It's the tires man, the tires. Is all I'm saying.
>>
>> Oh and you could have saved 
>>   (250-140)*2/455 -> ~ .48 lbs
>> just by buying lighter tubes. That's .48/.84 -> ~ 57% of what you save by 
>> only swapping sealant for box stock tubes.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Here is what I can calculate from memory for the switch for my 29er 
>>> wheels; I realize that Leah uses 650B, so adjust accordingly.
>>>
>>> 700C X 60 Big Apple, the "Liteskin" version: 800 grams on my scale.
>>> Box-stock 29er tube: 250 grams.
>>> Total: 1050 grams.
>>>
>>> 700C X 60 Big One: 450 grams on my scale.
>>> 2 fl oz sealant: 60 grams.
>>> Total: 510 grams.
>>>
>>> 1050 - 510 = 540 grams, which is ~1.2 lb, and that's for 1 wheel; 2.4 
>>> for both. So perhaps Leah's calculation is accurate. 
>>>
>>> I also swapped out the very nice 2" wide Snocat (also "Extralights!) at 
>>> 800 grams each even with big holes drilled in them for Velocity Blunt 
>>> SS's at a claimed 435 grams each; let's say 500 grams. That's another 300 
>>> per wheel or 600 total, 1.5 lb, for a grand total of 3.9 lb saved on both 
>>> wheels. Actually, I originally saved  another 0.4 lb -- 4.3 lb total -- 
>>> because I first installed 700C X 50 Furious Freds at 360 grams each.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:57 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
 Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant 
 can save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.

 1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is 
 per wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. 
 each? That's about 370gr per tube.
 A standard Schwalbe tube for 700c 40-62mm tires is only 220gr, the 
 superlight one is 140gr. (ref: 
 https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
 )
 Coming at it a different way, the 2-4 ounces is per wheel, that's 85 gr 
 plus or minus, a schwalbe tube for a big tire is 140 or 220 gr. So 
 replacing tubes with sealant should save something like 135gr per wheel 
 for 
 regular tubes, 55gr for light ones. That's 0.12 to 0.30 lb per wheel, or 
 .24 to .6 pounds combined.
 Something is not adding up here.
 Also remember in about 6 months you'll add another ~2oz of sealant to 
 each wheel. That's adding about 1/4 pound to your bike.

 I suspect most of your 1.5 pounds is lighter tires. I'd be very 
 surprised if replacing the sealant in your tires with tubes would add 1.5 
 pounds to your new wheels. And in 6 months (if you haven't worn out your 
 tires you'll be adding) 0.25 pounds to refresh the sealant.
 I am all for trimming fat off a bike. I'm also in favor of being 
 accurate about where the fat is coming from.

 Of course it is perfectly reasonable to not care where the lbs come 
 from, hey your bike is now lighter, YAY.

 To try and lighten the mood after raining on the parade I offer:
 Your on the road repair kit for tubeless may well be lighter than what 
 you would carry for tubes. So that makes your bike even lighter.
 Bonus fun, those beautiful colored spoke nipples are Al instead of the 
 typical brass, so not only do they look great they are lighter too.

 On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:05:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
 wrote:
>
> Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes 
> are heavier than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember 
> right, I got rid of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us 
> women are weight weenies - we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our 
> daily riders after all, but if we can trim some of the fat to make the 
> bikes more maneuverable, we do. 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted  wrote: 
> > 
>
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread eddietheflay

the big question is what will you do with the photos. many of us simply 
send them via the net to people we know or post on websites. how important 
is radical picture quality when looking on the average phone or tablet, or 
desktop monitor.

i too bout an EMIII a couple of years ago and realized photography was not 
going to be like my "all in" biking hobby, so bought great point and 
shoot...and it still sits a lot cuz me still gots me phone...which is with 
me nearly 100% of the time.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:49:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
>

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread Christopher Cote

I bought an Olympus E-M10 Mark iii camera last winter, and have already 
acquired a little collection of lenses, including the "prime trio" of 17, 25, 
and 45mm F/1.8 (35, 50, and 90mm equivalent in 35mm) lenses. I love the image 
quality, real "bokeh" (as opposed to the fake bokeh you get with fancy phone 
cameras these days), the normal and short tele perspectives, which are 
refreshing compared to the overabundance of 24-28mm equivalent phone camera 
pictures you see everywhere. I like the ability to shoot with manual settings, 
and the built-in Olympus art filters.

I know film camera (please don't call it analog) shooting is all the rage these 
days, but digital is so much cheaper and more convenient.

My primary outlet for photography these days is instagram. You can look me up 
@cj.biker there.

Finally, I think the Micro 4/3 format is brilliant. It doesn't match the image 
quality and light gathering of full-frame, but the smaller size and tremendous 
quality lenses for the price more than make up for it, IMHO.

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

I don't want to hear more evidence. I want my tubeless Big Ones. *Quod erat
demonstrandum *(as Euclid would say).

But I'm pleased to hear you can buy 140 gram fat tubes.

Patrick "the evidence is good enough for me, data be damned" Moore

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 5:46 PM ted  wrote:

> I don't doubt she shaved 1.5 lbs in the switch at all, just that it is all
> in swapping tubes for sealant.
>
> Try your calcs again ignoring the tires.
> e.g:
>(250-60)*2/454 -> ~ 0.84 lbs
>
> Now the tires alone:
>(800-450)*2/454 -> ~ 1.54 lbs
>
> It's the tires man, the tires. Is all I'm saying.
>
> Oh and you could have saved
>   (250-140)*2/455 -> ~ .48 lbs
> just by buying lighter tubes. That's .48/.84 -> ~ 57% of what you save by
> only swapping sealant for box stock tubes.
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Here is what I can calculate from memory for the switch for my 29er
>> wheels; I realize that Leah uses 650B, so adjust accordingly.
>>
>> 700C X 60 Big Apple, the "Liteskin" version: 800 grams on my scale.
>> Box-stock 29er tube: 250 grams.
>> Total: 1050 grams.
>>
>> 700C X 60 Big One: 450 grams on my scale.
>> 2 fl oz sealant: 60 grams.
>> Total: 510 grams.
>>
>> 1050 - 510 = 540 grams, which is ~1.2 lb, and that's for 1 wheel; 2.4 for
>> both. So perhaps Leah's calculation is accurate.
>>
>> I also swapped out the very nice 2" wide Snocat (also "Extralights!) at
>> 800 grams each even with big holes drilled in them for Velocity Blunt
>> SS's at a claimed 435 grams each; let's say 500 grams. That's another 300
>> per wheel or 600 total, 1.5 lb, for a grand total of 3.9 lb saved on both
>> wheels. Actually, I originally saved  another 0.4 lb -- 4.3 lb total --
>> because I first installed 700C X 50 Furious Freds at 360 grams each.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:57 PM ted  wrote:
>>
>>> Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant
>>> can save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.
>>>
>>> 1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is per
>>> wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. each?
>>> That's about 370gr per tube.
>>> A standard Schwalbe tube for 700c 40-62mm tires is only 220gr, the
>>> superlight one is 140gr. (ref:
>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
>>> )
>>> Coming at it a different way, the 2-4 ounces is per wheel, that's 85 gr
>>> plus or minus, a schwalbe tube for a big tire is 140 or 220 gr. So
>>> replacing tubes with sealant should save something like 135gr per wheel for
>>> regular tubes, 55gr for light ones. That's 0.12 to 0.30 lb per wheel, or
>>> .24 to .6 pounds combined.
>>> Something is not adding up here.
>>> Also remember in about 6 months you'll add another ~2oz of sealant to
>>> each wheel. That's adding about 1/4 pound to your bike.
>>>
>>> I suspect most of your 1.5 pounds is lighter tires. I'd be very
>>> surprised if replacing the sealant in your tires with tubes would add 1.5
>>> pounds to your new wheels. And in 6 months (if you haven't worn out your
>>> tires you'll be adding) 0.25 pounds to refresh the sealant.
>>> I am all for trimming fat off a bike. I'm also in favor of being
>>> accurate about where the fat is coming from.
>>>
>>> Of course it is perfectly reasonable to not care where the lbs come
>>> from, hey your bike is now lighter, YAY.
>>>
>>> To try and lighten the mood after raining on the parade I offer:
>>> Your on the road repair kit for tubeless may well be lighter than what
>>> you would carry for tubes. So that makes your bike even lighter.
>>> Bonus fun, those beautiful colored spoke nipples are Al instead of the
>>> typical brass, so not only do they look great they are lighter too.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:05:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> wrote:

 Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are
 heavier than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember
 right, I got rid of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us
 women are weight weenies - we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our
 daily riders after all, but if we can trim some of the fat to make the
 bikes more maneuverable, we do.

 Sent from my iPad

 > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted  wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

I don't doubt she shaved 1.5 lbs in the switch at all, just that it is all 
in swapping tubes for sealant.

Try your calcs again ignoring the tires.
e.g:
   (250-60)*2/454 -> ~ 0.84 lbs

Now the tires alone:
   (800-450)*2/454 -> ~ 1.54 lbs

It's the tires man, the tires. Is all I'm saying.

Oh and you could have saved 
  (250-140)*2/455 -> ~ .48 lbs
just by buying lighter tubes. That's .48/.84 -> ~ 57% of what you save by 
only swapping sealant for box stock tubes.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:21:10 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Here is what I can calculate from memory for the switch for my 29er 
> wheels; I realize that Leah uses 650B, so adjust accordingly.
>
> 700C X 60 Big Apple, the "Liteskin" version: 800 grams on my scale.
> Box-stock 29er tube: 250 grams.
> Total: 1050 grams.
>
> 700C X 60 Big One: 450 grams on my scale.
> 2 fl oz sealant: 60 grams.
> Total: 510 grams.
>
> 1050 - 510 = 540 grams, which is ~1.2 lb, and that's for 1 wheel; 2.4 for 
> both. So perhaps Leah's calculation is accurate. 
>
> I also swapped out the very nice 2" wide Snocat (also "Extralights!) at 
> 800 grams each even with big holes drilled in them for Velocity Blunt 
> SS's at a claimed 435 grams each; let's say 500 grams. That's another 300 
> per wheel or 600 total, 1.5 lb, for a grand total of 3.9 lb saved on both 
> wheels. Actually, I originally saved  another 0.4 lb -- 4.3 lb total -- 
> because I first installed 700C X 50 Furious Freds at 360 grams each.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:57 PM ted > 
> wrote:
>
>> Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant 
>> can save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.
>>
>> 1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is per 
>> wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. each? 
>> That's about 370gr per tube.
>> A standard Schwalbe tube for 700c 40-62mm tires is only 220gr, the 
>> superlight one is 140gr. (ref: 
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
>> )
>> Coming at it a different way, the 2-4 ounces is per wheel, that's 85 gr 
>> plus or minus, a schwalbe tube for a big tire is 140 or 220 gr. So 
>> replacing tubes with sealant should save something like 135gr per wheel for 
>> regular tubes, 55gr for light ones. That's 0.12 to 0.30 lb per wheel, or 
>> .24 to .6 pounds combined.
>> Something is not adding up here.
>> Also remember in about 6 months you'll add another ~2oz of sealant to 
>> each wheel. That's adding about 1/4 pound to your bike.
>>
>> I suspect most of your 1.5 pounds is lighter tires. I'd be very surprised 
>> if replacing the sealant in your tires with tubes would add 1.5 pounds to 
>> your new wheels. And in 6 months (if you haven't worn out your tires you'll 
>> be adding) 0.25 pounds to refresh the sealant.
>> I am all for trimming fat off a bike. I'm also in favor of being accurate 
>> about where the fat is coming from.
>>
>> Of course it is perfectly reasonable to not care where the lbs come from, 
>> hey your bike is now lighter, YAY.
>>
>> To try and lighten the mood after raining on the parade I offer:
>> Your on the road repair kit for tubeless may well be lighter than what 
>> you would carry for tubes. So that makes your bike even lighter.
>> Bonus fun, those beautiful colored spoke nipples are Al instead of the 
>> typical brass, so not only do they look great they are lighter too.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:05:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are 
>>> heavier than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember 
>>> right, I got rid of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us 
>>> women are weight weenies - we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our 
>>> daily riders after all, but if we can trim some of the fat to make the 
>>> bikes more maneuverable, we do. 
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>
>>> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted  wrote: 
>>> > 
>>>
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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread Eric G@rs

Nitto Technomic comes in a 5cm extension with 225mm quill length that can be 
had from eBay for 40$. Also, a dirt drop stem with 8cm extension is only 
marginally longer in forward extension than the 5cm technomic. 

Eric 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

Here is what I can calculate from memory for the switch for my 29er wheels;
I realize that Leah uses 650B, so adjust accordingly.

700C X 60 Big Apple, the "Liteskin" version: 800 grams on my scale.
Box-stock 29er tube: 250 grams.
Total: 1050 grams.

700C X 60 Big One: 450 grams on my scale.
2 fl oz sealant: 60 grams.
Total: 510 grams.

1050 - 510 = 540 grams, which is ~1.2 lb, and that's for 1 wheel; 2.4 for
both. So perhaps Leah's calculation is accurate.

I also swapped out the very nice 2" wide Snocat (also "Extralights!) at 800
grams each even with big holes drilled in them for Velocity Blunt SS's at a
claimed 435 grams each; let's say 500 grams. That's another 300 per wheel
or 600 total, 1.5 lb, for a grand total of 3.9 lb saved on both wheels.
Actually, I originally saved  another 0.4 lb -- 4.3 lb total -- because I
first installed 700C X 50 Furious Freds at 360 grams each.


On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:57 PM ted  wrote:

> Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant
> can save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.
>
> 1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is per
> wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. each?
> That's about 370gr per tube.
> A standard Schwalbe tube for 700c 40-62mm tires is only 220gr, the
> superlight one is 140gr. (ref:
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/
> )
> Coming at it a different way, the 2-4 ounces is per wheel, that's 85 gr
> plus or minus, a schwalbe tube for a big tire is 140 or 220 gr. So
> replacing tubes with sealant should save something like 135gr per wheel for
> regular tubes, 55gr for light ones. That's 0.12 to 0.30 lb per wheel, or
> .24 to .6 pounds combined.
> Something is not adding up here.
> Also remember in about 6 months you'll add another ~2oz of sealant to each
> wheel. That's adding about 1/4 pound to your bike.
>
> I suspect most of your 1.5 pounds is lighter tires. I'd be very surprised
> if replacing the sealant in your tires with tubes would add 1.5 pounds to
> your new wheels. And in 6 months (if you haven't worn out your tires you'll
> be adding) 0.25 pounds to refresh the sealant.
> I am all for trimming fat off a bike. I'm also in favor of being accurate
> about where the fat is coming from.
>
> Of course it is perfectly reasonable to not care where the lbs come from,
> hey your bike is now lighter, YAY.
>
> To try and lighten the mood after raining on the parade I offer:
> Your on the road repair kit for tubeless may well be lighter than what you
> would carry for tubes. So that makes your bike even lighter.
> Bonus fun, those beautiful colored spoke nipples are Al instead of the
> typical brass, so not only do they look great they are lighter too.
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:05:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> wrote:
>>
>> Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are
>> heavier than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember
>> right, I got rid of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us
>> women are weight weenies - we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our
>> daily riders after all, but if we can trim some of the fat to make the
>> bikes more maneuverable, we do.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted  wrote:
>> >
>>
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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread Tom Wyland

I consider myself to be someone who likes trailing-edge reliable tech. I spent 
many years happily snapping away with my canon film SLR. I’ve had various 
iterations of Canon digital SLRs.. some even use my 15-year-old lenses.
I bought a Samsung mirrorless camera years ago and even put aside my DSLR for 
travel. The mirrorless is smaller and just as nice as my DSLR.
The newest iPhones with the multiple lenses and portrait mode take photos only 
rivaled by full-frame cameras. I’ll carry around a $700 camera all day but bulk 
at a friends $9000 full-frame camera kit.
Your results may vary.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread Matt Rhodes

Hi Patrick,

The Discord Components Cremee stem from Analog Cycles isn't inexpensive, 
but it checks the quality, short and riser boxes:

https://www.analogcycles.com/product/discord-components-creemee-stem/

Not sure how nicely it will play with 25.4 (See Analog's comment) but it 
might be worth a look.

Hope this helps,
Matt

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:37:26 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I love my Wavy Bar better than Jones on my GBW, but want it higher/closer, 
> like the Jones is, so wondering what inexpensive, quality stem options 
> there are for short (5cm or less) and/or with rise.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
> www.DeaconPatrick.org
> www.CatholicHalos.org
> www.ShepherdsandHalos.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

I met no other Rivendell riders on this afternoon's 21 mile out-and-back,
but I got a lot of friendly waves (but not from the one man who passed me,
durn him -- tho' I console myself that he was at least 20 years younger
than I who just got onto Medicare). I rode south for 10 miles on the Rio
Grande paved path against a 22 or so gusts to 37 in the 76" gear, in the
hooks all the way, and while I can't say that riding into gusty headwinds
in too high a gear is my favorite sort of ride, I expiated a great number
of sins -- no, strike that; I was pleased to find that I can comfortably
maintain the hooks position for 7 or 8 miles at a stretch, my very
sensitive left palm being the weak point. At any rate, I took it easy and
averaged 15.5, and the ride back was easier at 16.5 including the stop to
fish the errant Nitto wire guard out of the spokes. I started a little
after 2 pm without having eaten anything since the previous night; must
remember to bring food; but I had to rush back anyway, so I made it alright.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 2:36 PM 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Most of my rides are along the American River Bike Trail in the Sacramento
> area.  For me they are therapeutic, grounding, and recharging.  I love
> seeing the the changes of seasons, and deepening my relationship with the
> outdoors beyond my own property (which is a very small orchard).  Most of
> my rides are also with my son, now in his early teens.  Boys (big and
> small) can be moody if they are sedentary for too long, so getting us both
> out and moving is a good reminder of that for both of us, and a chance to
> improve communication.
>
> No picture from today's ride, but we passed another Riv rider going the
> other way, on an Atlantis (I think) with a front basket.  I said hello as
> we passed each other, but today I wondered if there is a Rivendell wave or
> anything like that?
>
> -Eric
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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

Depending on the size tires you ride, replacing your tubes with sealant can 
save a few ounces but 1.5 pounds seems implausible.

1.5 pounds is 24 oz. add 3 for sealant (mind i think that 2-4 oz. is per 
wheel so I should add 6) and you get 27 so your tubes were over 13oz. each? 
That's about 370gr per tube.
A standard Schwalbe tube for 700c 40-62mm tires is only 220gr, the 
superlight one is 140gr. (ref: 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/tires/700c/schwalbe-tubes-for-700c-tires/)
Coming at it a different way, the 2-4 ounces is per wheel, that's 85 gr 
plus or minus, a schwalbe tube for a big tire is 140 or 220 gr. So 
replacing tubes with sealant should save something like 135gr per wheel for 
regular tubes, 55gr for light ones. That's 0.12 to 0.30 lb per wheel, or 
.24 to .6 pounds combined.
Something is not adding up here.
Also remember in about 6 months you'll add another ~2oz of sealant to each 
wheel. That's adding about 1/4 pound to your bike.

I suspect most of your 1.5 pounds is lighter tires. I'd be very surprised 
if replacing the sealant in your tires with tubes would add 1.5 pounds to 
your new wheels. And in 6 months (if you haven't worn out your tires you'll 
be adding) 0.25 pounds to refresh the sealant.
I am all for trimming fat off a bike. I'm also in favor of being accurate 
about where the fat is coming from.

Of course it is perfectly reasonable to not care where the lbs come from, 
hey your bike is now lighter, YAY.

To try and lighten the mood after raining on the parade I offer:
Your on the road repair kit for tubeless may well be lighter than what you 
would carry for tubes. So that makes your bike even lighter.
Bonus fun, those beautiful colored spoke nipples are Al instead of the 
typical brass, so not only do they look great they are lighter too.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 2:05:46 PM UTC-7, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are 
> heavier than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember 
> right, I got rid of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us 
> women are weight weenies - we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our 
> daily riders after all, but if we can trim some of the fat to make the 
> bikes more maneuverable, we do. 
>
> Sent from my iPad 
>
> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted > 
> wrote: 
> > 
>

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Robert Tilley

I've been trying to decide on a rack but my "quiver" of bikes is odd enough 
that getting a rack that works with them all is difficult. Plus the vehicles I 
need to put the rack on add complexity.

Right now I'm leaning towards the Draftmaster since I do need to transport a 
tandem in addition to single bikes. They aren't cheap and require the front 
wheels to be removed which is one thing about them I really don't like. I am 
also considering a 1Up hitch rack with their tandem extension. This would work 
ok on my camper van but would stick out too far for comfort on my Jeep. On the 
van the tandem would still be within the width of the side mirrors.

http://www.atoc.com/draftmastermain.php

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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From: clayton...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes


That Recon actually looks like it would have none of the issues I mentioned. 
Went through 3 rack purchases over the years and somehow this company never 
made it on my radar.

Clayton Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

"I should have added that this was attached to a bike with no rear brake -- 
fixed gear with front brake only."

Oh. You posted a pic with brakes and I extrapolated. And we all know how 
painful that can be. 

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

I recommended Canon before. Sony's great, but they're $. 
This one is good, and you can collect lenses, and if you crunch it by accident 
it's not the end of the world.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1321345-REG/canon_eos_m5_mirrorless_digital.html
-Kai

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Re: [RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

You are wrong; any $10 cage, let alone whatever the Nittos cost, ought to
be able to hold a 28 oz bottle; after all, the cheapos did without any
problems whatsoever. Defective design or build at a premium price, period.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:37 PM Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
> On 6/7/20 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > I have confirmed your suspicion. I charge $50 per confirmation. Please
> > paypal friends and family to blah blah blah.
> >
> > Well! I have to say that, if my and Deacon's suspicions are correct,
> > this is only the second of very many sound Nitto products that are
> > faulty, the other being the very pretty and very expensive fillet
> > brazed Nitto bottle cage of which 2 broke under my stainless steel 28
> > oz bicycle specific water bottles, while the much cheaper Iris and
> > even the similar but far cheaper VO didn't break.
>
>
> You overloaded those bottles.   I've said it before and I'll keep saying
> it.  That's user error, not a faulty product.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

2020-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar




On 6/7/20 6:31 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I have confirmed your suspicion. I charge $50 per confirmation. Please 
paypal friends and family to blah blah blah.


Well! I have to say that, if my and Deacon's suspicions are correct, 
this is only the second of very many sound Nitto products that are 
faulty, the other being the very pretty and very expensive fillet 
brazed Nitto bottle cage of which 2 broke under my stainless steel 28 
oz bicycle specific water bottles, while the much cheaper Iris and 
even the similar but far cheaper VO didn't break.



You overloaded those bottles.   I've said it before and I'll keep saying 
it.  That's user error, not a faulty product.



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Re: [RBW] $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

I should have added that this was attached to a bike with no rear brake --
fixed gear with front brake only.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:33 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I wonder if it was sitting almost on top of your straddle cable and
> braking pulled the straddle up and dislodged it.
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[RBW] $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

I wonder if it was sitting almost on top of your straddle cable and braking 
pulled the straddle up and dislodged it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

I have confirmed your suspicion. I charge $50 per confirmation. Please
paypal friends and family to blah blah blah.

Well! I have to say that, if my and Deacon's suspicions are correct, this
is only the second of very many sound Nitto products that are faulty, the
other being the very pretty and very expensive fillet brazed Nitto bottle
cage of which 2 broke under my stainless steel 28 oz bicycle specific water
bottles, while the much cheaper Iris and even the similar but far cheaper
VO didn't break.

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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Watching. You've hit the very reason I've not gotten them: fear that my
> jouncy rides are too much for something not screwed or strapped on, other
> than me engine, which just sits like a freeloadin' slug on the bike. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: $50 mistake, or did I do something wrong? Nitto saddlebag wire guard mishap

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Watching. You've hit the very reason I've not gotten them: fear that my 
jouncy rides are too much for something not screwed or strapped on, other 
than me engine, which just sits like a freeloadin' slug on the bike. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread JAS

Patrick,
I switched to mirrorless about 4 years ago from a digital SLR. I selected the
Fuji X-T1 and have been really happy with it. It’s light and is weather
sealed. It takes various lenses, though I find the 18-55 kit lens very useful,
especially when cycling. Of course, Fuji has now come out with 3 newer
versions...they recently released the X-T4. The analog style knobs for
changing the shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation really appealed to
me. I can quickly change settings without having to wade through multiple
menus and frankly, I love the classic look. If you learned on a film camera
and understand the relationship between aperature, shutter speed and ISO, you
will have no trouble using the analog dials. If not, you can always set it to
auto and let the camera make the adjustments. Oh and yes, it has a timer you
can set for a delayed shutter release.

Since the X-T1 is now the oldest version of the camera, one can find them on
Craigslist for about $350. It’s a terrific camera. When cycling, I carry it
cross-body on it’s strap, tucking it behind my left side. It sits atop my
waist-pack without trouble. If it’s raining, I will put it into the pack.

Though it’s technically possible to shoot it with one hand and some folks do
while riding, I always stop and use both hands. Carrying the camera cross-body
allows me quick access while on my bike.

—Joyce

[RBW] Re: Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Thanks, all! The trailer idea may be the winner to consider, especially as 
they would be easily found used. The Recon Rack is intriguing too.

To paint a fuller picture: we've had a rear mount rack (not trailer hitch) 
for 3 bikes, and we have a 2 bike roof rack, but I'm the only one who can 
load it, and that can be iffy with my vertigo. Even an extended Dodge 
Caravan fills rapidly to capacity with 5 people and their stuff, so no room 
inside for the bigger bikes. That worked until this spring's shift up in 
size, and even then some ingrates found it uncomfortable to have pedals and 
handlebars in neck and ribs. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Clayton Scott

That Recon actually looks like it would have none of the issues I mentioned. 
Went through 3 rack purchases over the years and somehow this company never 
made it on my radar.

Clayton Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

I just want to shout out to the Rivsisters how much joy, enthusiasm, and a 
fresh perspective you each are adding to this list.
Welcome Melanie, Roberta and Leah you each already know how much respect I 
maintain for you amazing Riv owners.
The fact that you have found, love, and promote Rivendell and Analog is great 
for each small business and their bicycle goals.
This has to be good for both.  This may sound and be sexist as self examining 
of myself has helped me realize that other Rivendell men may often try to 
manipulate their daughters, girlfriends, wives, and or boyfriends to join them 
in their love of bikes and simply sharing an activity together at a level that 
is not ideal.  In the spirit of everything going on in the world I suggest 
everyone listen to the true voice of those being encouraged.

So much nicer and rewarding to let others find their own level of joy and 
enjoyment in the world of cycling.  Whether that is tubed or tubeless, helmeted 
or helmetless, masked or face free.

Long live the Rivsisters!

Just ride and let ride!

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread Nick Payne

When I go touring, I take my phone and a Sony RX100 (I've had the RX100 
original model, then the RX100 IV, and now the RX100 VII). The cameras in 
phones are now good enough that most of the photos I take are with the 
phone, and the Sony only gets used when I need the extra reach afforded by 
the zoom lens. The Pixel 4 phone I have actually has a two lens camera with 
the equivalent of 27mm and 50mm lenses, and it stacks multiple images to 
achieve the final photos it produces, but the Sony has a 24-200mm 
equivalent zoom.

Nick

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Re: [RBW] 1x9 11-50t friction shift set up for GBW/Suzy

2020-06-07 Thread JohnS

Thank you Aaron and DP for the feedback. I have to dial in the additional 
cost/search for a new rear derailleur. The vintage Deore most likely won't 
work with the gearing range.

JohnS


On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 6:58:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Smooth as butter, John. I think he'll really like the set-up. The range of 
> the Silver shifter allows for non-fiddly shifting. The first round of 
> Silver Shifters seemed to be fussy, needing just a bit of range per gear, 
> making it tricky to shift on a jouncy trail. Not so with two. The derailure 
> was easy to install and set up, using the video on Box's site dialed it 
> almost perfectly (I found a bit of extra tension in the wee cog makes for 
> perfect alignment for shifting all nine gears beautifully). Minimal chain 
> bounce and snug chain with the clutch system works well too.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 2:36:53 PM UTC-6, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Hello DP,
>>
>> How's the Box drive train working out for you? I'm considering the Box 3 
>> prime 9 11-46 cassette and Box 3 prime 9 chain for my Salsa Casseroll which 
>> my teenage son has been riding. He's not interested in a front derailleur 
>> so a wider range 9 would be good for him. He likes the Silver down tube 
>> shifter and usually doesn't have an issue with the friction shifting.
>>
>> JohnS (who's now riding a Crust Lightning Bolt canti rando bike)
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 24, 2020 at 2:34:19 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> One word review from first full ride on all surfaces: Solid.
>>>
>>> More word review: Each gear feels closer to the solidity of fixed gear 
>>> or single speed, I presume because of the combo of 9 speed chain and steel 
>>> cogs. Interestingly, this gives a wider range of comfort for each gear. 
>>> With the 11 speed I always felt like if I pushed it in a gear the gear 
>>> would skip/bend/break. I'm delighted so far.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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[RBW] Racks and hillibikes

2020-06-07 Thread maxcr

Ok, two quick searches answered my own question. Smallest Susie has a 53” 
wheelbase, the basic Saris Freedom supports up to 48”, so I guess I need to 
order the long wb bar.
Max

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[RBW] Racks and hillibikes

2020-06-07 Thread maxcr

Reading the other post on racks made me wonder... will my Saris freedom fit the 
upcoming Susie? Or do I need some extra parts?

Max

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread Leah Peterson

Well, the other thing the #RivSisters wanted was less weight. Tubes are heavier 
than sealant - the sealant was only 2-4 ounces. If I remember right, I got rid 
of 1.5 pounds by shedding tubes. That said, none of us women are weight weenies 
- we’re choosing stout Rivendell bikes as our daily riders after all, but if we 
can trim some of the fat to make the bikes more maneuverable, we do.

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> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:57 PM, ted  wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread eddietheflay

i use the Panasonic ZS100, the predecessor to this model: 
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-zs200-tz200 

it is as complicated as you want it to be or can simply be point and stupid 
like me. i think this and the Sony RX are considered the best in the class 
of camera. when i take it on the bike it fits easily in this: 
https://www.revelatedesigns.com/index.cfm/store.catalog/Cockpit/MountainFeedbag

the camera is so much more capable than i am and it is like learning a 
foreign language and practicing in order to efficiently use all the manual 
controls.

i think the beauty of the cell phone for photos is the large high-quality 
screen where you can easily compose and appreciate a nice photo immediately.


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>
> I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated 
> camera and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay 
> of 20 seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I 
> ended up finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means 
> heartier (I'll test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what 
> I want so I don't pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found 
> Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 
> with lens for a step uyp from a point and shoot or adventure camera. I have 
> it coming, along with a better tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry 
> it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.
>
> Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are 
> doing/using. I love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the 
> qualities and settings of a higher end camera. It seems there are the point 
> and shoots (not many as mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which 
> are a step up but still feature shy without spending a fortune, and then 
> the higher end cameras (recommendations for ones that are weather proof and 
> heartier?).
>
> What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, 
> use it, etc?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] FS- fenders, Brooks Saddle, Baggins Trunk bag, Nitto lugged seat post

2020-06-07 Thread 'Abcyclehank' via RBW Owners Bunch

Has anyone heard back from Andy?
Been dark since my early inquires and offers to buy?

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!

DP: Can you fit one bike in the back of the vehicle and then put the other four 
on the rack? If so, Saris makes a bike rack (Freedom is the model name, I 
think) that holds 4 bikes and you can buy long wheelbase bars to fit the LWB of 
the Clementines. I have the 2019 version with a 50 inch WB and it fits great 
with the new bar. If you have WB shorter than 48, you don’t need the bar.

I load this rack by myself all the time, and it’s a challenge with 3 sets of 
Boscos and the racks and baskets but we make it work. It also tilts so you can 
access the trunk when the rack is loaded with your bikes. I love it!

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

The Riv-sisters are changing three things at once (tires, wheels, tubeless) 
with wondrous results. Which of course is great. 
How much of the wondrousness is directly due to tubeless is, I think, an 
open (though perhaps unimportant) question. As such the clarity of that 
other dividing line might be in doubt. I think James would say: if they 
weren't going tubeless they would get too many flats with those tires and 
wouldn't be happy long term. So in his view the tubeless part of the puzzle 
is necessary to make the better riding tires viable. For anybody that's 
using great riding tires with tubes and not getting flats, that logic 
doesn't quite work.

No matter how you slice it, I think the tubeless v tubes thing comes down 
to what flats would one be getting with tubes that one wouldn't with 
tubeless, and how does the rider feel about those. I suppose there is also 
the matter of whether one finds the repair process for one system more or 
less onerous than the other.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:54:39 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I 
> see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and 
> Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for 
> them.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>>
>> Hey Deacon,
>>
>> Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both 
>> know you're not dumb.
>> I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to 
>> big supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same 
>> time. As you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not 
>> bothered by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case 
>> study for going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who 
>> are familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, 
>> and for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar 
>> irritants) tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / 
>> environments often warrant different equipment choices.
>>
>> regards
>> Ted
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
>>> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
>>> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
>>> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
>>> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
>>> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.


>>> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
>>> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
>>> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
>>> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
>>> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
>>> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
>>> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
>>> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
>>> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
>>> I am delighted it is working for so many!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick 
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Robert Tilley

  Recon racks make them. Not cheap but a friend of mine has their 4 bike rack and he loves it. Bikes with fenders could be an issue.http://recon-racks.com/#Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSent: June 7, 2020 12:39 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes  Is there such a beastie? Needs to fit Clementine wheelbase. My wife and daughters would ride much more if they didn't have to ride to where it is kid friendly to ride.With abandon,Patrickwww.MindYourHeadCoop.orgwww.DeaconPatrick.orgwww.CatholicHalos.orgwww.ShepherdsandHalos.org



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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

2020-06-07 Thread Brian Campbell

Awesome bike! Glad everything worked out and you are getting to enjoy you 
Clem even more!

On Saturday, June 6, 2020 at 3:36:43 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Strange Magic

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread Clayton Scott

They do exist. However, even my 4 bike hitch rack (Thule) is really more of a 2 
bike rack. Stacking 5 bikes on 5 bike rack might be quite a challenge if it is 
spaced similarly to mine. In addition the bikes tend to rub against each other 
unless you really "pack" them well which is time consuming. If I was in the 
market for a bike transport solution for 5 bikes I'd probably start looking at 
trailers instead. Or get a roof rack in addition. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: Just Pics from Your Good Ride Thread

2020-06-07 Thread 'Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch

Most of my rides are along the American River Bike Trail in the Sacramento 
area.  For me they are therapeutic, grounding, and recharging.  I love 
seeing the the changes of seasons, and deepening my relationship with the 
outdoors beyond my own property (which is a very small orchard).  Most of 
my rides are also with my son, now in his early teens.  Boys (big and 
small) can be moody if they are sedentary for too long, so getting us both 
out and moving is a good reminder of that for both of us, and a chance to 
improve communication.

No picture from today's ride, but we passed another Riv rider going the 
other way, on an Atlantis (I think) with a front basket.  I said hello as 
we passed each other, but today I wondered if there is a Rivendell wave or 
anything like that?

-Eric

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread Brian Campbell

Spoke Nipples! Sorry. hit spost before proofreading.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 4:28:47 PM UTC-4, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> Congrats Roberta! So glad it all worked out so well for you!  Its always 
> nice to take something you enjoy and find a way to enjoy it even more! Hope 
> to see you on the trail sometime. I won't be able to miss the purple 
> nipples!
>

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread Brian Campbell

Congrats Roberta! So glad it all worked out so well for you!  Its always 
nice to take something you enjoy and find a way to enjoy it even more! Hope 
to see you on the trail sometime. I won't be able to miss the purple 
nipples!

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Re: [RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Steve Palincsar

There's no list that can.  It's as incendiary a topic for a bicycling 
list as you could come up with.


On 6/7/20 3:36 PM, Jim M. wrote:
Polite discourse has always been a list requirement, and the list 
can't even keep to that guideline over the subject of helmets.


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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Ah, got it. I follow her on the IG but can never keep track of the changing 
names and @names across platforms. 

Joe Bernard
@JoeOfTheNorth Twitter
@rideymcbiker Instagram

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

Also no. I have all kinds of thoughts on things that some will agree with and 
some - even people who like me! - consciously avoid on my Twitter feed. That 
and a hundred other outlets are where this kind of thing belongs, it's not 
needed on a Riv forum. 

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Precisely my assessment as well, Ted. Goatheads are the dividing line I 
see. Yet, clearly, there is another dividing line that Roberta and 
Riv-sisters are pointing out as well, and I'm delighted it is working for 
them.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-6, ted wrote:
>
> Hey Deacon,
>
> Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both know 
> you're not dumb.
> I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to big 
> supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same time. As 
> you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not bothered 
> by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case study for 
> going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who are 
> familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, and 
> for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar irritants) 
> tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / environments often 
> warrant different equipment choices.
>
> regards
> Ted
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
>> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
>> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
>> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
>> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
>> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>>>
>>>
>> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
>> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
>> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
>> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
>> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
>> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
>> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
>> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
>> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
>> I am delighted it is working for so many!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick 
>>
>

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[RBW] Cameras for Biking

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

I've no longer a mobile phone and thus no longer have the incorporated camera 
and it's happy ability to take a burst of photos after a set delay of 20 
seconds or so. Kai kindly recommended Sony, and in my research I ended up 
finding the simplicity of mirrorless, which presumably means heartier (I'll 
test that!), then, in looking for older models that do what I want so I don't 
pay for all the latest bells and whistles, I found Olympus' Pen E-PL8, which is 
long in the tooth and thus happily under $300 with lens for a step uyp from a 
point and shoot or adventure camera. I have it coming, along with a better 
tripod and a leather case. I plan to carry it in my XS Saddlesack handlebar bag.

Curious what folks going digital, who are into photography are doing/using. I 
love the simplicity of the mobile phone, but miss the qualities and settings of 
a higher end camera. It seems there are the point and shoots (not many as 
mobile phones do this), adventure cameras, which are a step up but still 
feature shy without spending a fortune, and then the higher end cameras 
(recommendations for ones that are weather proof and heartier?).

What do you like, not like about what you are using? How do you haul it, use 
it, etc?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: NEW Chainrings - Sugino Salsa Shimano Suntour Sakae more

2020-06-07 Thread David Hallerman


Hi,

I’ve got a lot of chainrings here. Are you interested in buying some?

All the chainrings listed here are new. Unless o’wise noted, chainrings 
are silver and are flat; ramps/pins and other colors are noted. Most 
chainrings are 110 BCD, with a bunch of 130s, 74s, and a smattering of 
144 BCD rings.


All prices include shipping in the Conus. And we’ll figure some kind of 
discount for multiple purchases.


All questions quickly answered, photos available if you’d like, and all 
offers considered.


Dave
+  +  +  +  +
Hudson Valley NY
_*
*__*SETS – DOUBLE – 110 BCD*_
RaceFace (ramps/pins, 48/34 – 110)  =  $75
Sugino Alpina (ramps/pins & black/silver, 50/34 – 110)  =  $75
Sugino Alpina (ramps/pins & black/silver, 50/36 – 110)  =  $75
FSA (ramps/pins & black/silver, 48/36 – 110)  =  $65
FSA (ramps/pins & black/silver, 50/36 – 110)  =  $60

_*SETS – TRIPLE – 110/74 BCD*_
Sugino Supershift Pro (ramps/pins, 46/36/26 – 110/74)  =  $75
Avitar Werx (black, 46/36/24 – 110/74)  =  $40
Vuelta (48/38/26 – 110/74)  =  $40
Shimano SG Hyperdrive  & Avitar (46/36/24 - 110/74)  =  $30
Sakae – 50/38/28  110/74  =  $30

_*SETS – DOUBLE – 130 BCD*_
Suntour (52/42 – 130)  =  $30
Salsa (50/38 – 130)  =  $30
Salsa (52/38 – 130)  =  $30
Vuelta (52/38 - 130)  =  $25

_*SINGLE CHAINRINGS – 110 BCD*_
IRD Triple-Lizer (36 – 110/74)  =  $35
Sakae (50 - 110)  =  $15
Sugino (52 – 110)  =  $15
Suntour/Sakae (38 - 110)  =  $15
Suntour/Sakae (48 - 110)  =  $15
Vuelta SRS (38 – 110)  =  $15
Vuelta (brass color, 48 - 110)  =  $17
Engagement Ring (52 - 110)  =  $15

_*SINGLE CHAINRINGS – 74 BCD*_
Avitar (24 – 74)  =  $14
Campagnolo (30 - 74)  =  $19
Shimano SG (black, 26 - 74)  =  $15
Vuelta (26 - 74)  =  $14
Engagement Ring (28 - 74)  =  $16
Sakae (black, 26 - 74)  =  $16
Sakae (26 - 74)  =  $13
Sakae Platinum (26 - 74)  =  $15
Sakae Ninja (stainless steel, 28 - 74)  =  $14
Sakae Ninja (stainless steel, 24 - 74)  =  $14

_*SINGLE CHAINRINGS – 130 BCD*_
Sakae (38 - 130)  =  $14
Sakae (44 - 130)  =  $14
Sakae (48 - 130)  =  $14
Sakae (50 - 130)  =  $14
Sugino (52 - 130)  =  $14

_*SINGLE CHAINRINGS – 144 BCD*_
Engagement Ring (42 – 144)  =  $16
Sugino Mighty Comp (44 – 144)  =  $22

+   +   +   +   +   +   +   +

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[RBW] Rec's for trailer hitch bike rack for 5 bikes

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Is there such a beastie? Needs to fit Clementine wheelbase. My wife and 
daughters would ride much more if they didn't have to ride to where it is kid 
friendly to ride.

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Patrick

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[RBW] Seeking rec's for short threadless stem with rise

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

I love my Wavy Bar better than Jones on my GBW, but want it higher/closer, like 
the Jones is, so wondering what inexpensive, quality stem options there are for 
short (5cm or less) and/or with rise.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Fuller

Aaron, I tend to agree with you on all counts.  I don't see myself warming 
up to this anytime soon (or ever), but I think part of the problem is it 
really doesn't jive with the drop bars. I get that it's immensely practical 
at least, but hopefully it'll undergo some further refinement.  

On Sunday, 7 June 2020 12:24:18 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Who is Sal?

Sal is also known as Sofia on Grant's posts. A friend of the family, and 
their dogs play together. flynnsaw on IG. Her sense of bike-nerd style is 
nearly unparalleled IMO.   

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[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread Jim M.

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:22:08 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020"
>

A big "no" vote from me on that proposal. Polite discourse has always been 
a list requirement, and the list can't even keep to that guideline over the 
subject of helmets. Way too many internet hotheads on the list (and in the 
world) to start a thread that purposely contains potentially incendiary 
topics.

Thanks, Jim, and Happy Trails everyone!
jim m
walnut creek, ca

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

Hey Deacon,

Though you are certainly big, and you may be an Ogre, I think we both know 
you're not dumb.
I think sometimes the move to tubeless gets conflated with the move to big 
supple low pressure tires, because some people do both at the same time. As 
you are already riding big supple low pressure tires, and are not bothered 
by flats, I'd argue you're clearly the opposite of a perfect case study for 
going tubeless. As you say you have no problem to fix. People who are 
familiar with goat heads however, often feel they do have a problem, and 
for them (and others bothered by flats resulting from similar irritants) 
tubeless may be an answer. Different circumstances / environments often 
warrant different equipment choices.

regards
Ted

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 11:42:21 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their 
> lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes 
> or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up 
> to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily 
> forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep, 
> technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>>
>>
> Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from 
> them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going 
> tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross 
> reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I 
> get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler 
> tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without 
> mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due 
> to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of 
> riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin. 
> I am delighted it is working for so many!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

Who is Sal?

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[RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

2020-06-07 Thread A. Douglas M.

I was excited about this project but seeing that frame does not make my eyes 
happy. It reminds me of a cheap “compact” road frame that manufacturers make to 
offer fewer sizes. 

I guess that fits into the less expensive mold, but I was hoping for something 
more closely akin to a tig welded AHH with longer stays. I’ve stared at this 
picture a lot this morning trying to appreciate the top tube to no avail. 

Maybe it will look better with a Tallux stem? Maybe it would look better with 
bent seat stays? The top tube as shown would really only help stand over 
clearance further midway along itself. When I dismount I stand over the segment 
of TT immediately in front of the saddle. I guess I’m trying to understand the 
practical advantage of the swoopy top tube. 

Best,

Aaron

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Re: [RBW] Next Level Clementine

So buzzy! I dig it 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto R10 rear bag support and Pletscher Clem w/ pannier rails

2020-06-07 Thread 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch

Captain

Any Pictures?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Sweet ride, Roberta! I know how much more my daughters love riding their
lighter Clementines compared with their previous, much heavier kid's bikes
or 90s Trek rebuilds. As an ogre who carries my bikepacking rig weighing up
to 100 pounds as needed, I don't innately appreciate that need and easily
forget it, until I am helping them get over rocks and roots on steep,
technical bits I just consider normal. Grin.
>
>
Like you, Roberta, I enjoy freely wandering topics, learning much from
them. My 2.8" beefy tires on my GBW are the perfect case study for going
tubeless, yet I do not. Why? I've yet to experience the need. Cross
reference "big, dumb ogre." Grin. For me, the weight isn't a big deal. I
get plenty of tire suppleness with a tube with the carefully chosen suppler
tires I ride, and I still don't grasp how a field flat is addressed without
mess and frustration. Arguably, the one flat I've gotten on "Beorn" was due
to inner moving rub as it occured on the inside of the tube after months of
riding. Still, for me, tubeless is a solution looking for a problem. Grin.
I am delighted it is working for so many!

With abandon,
Patrick

[RBW] Re: List Status Thoughts: So... here we are Saturday morning

2020-06-07 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch

Thank you, Jim, first and foremost for this group and the love you pour
into in, and thus us, through the years. I will strive to abide by these
strictures, with the caveat that I may forget to erase the bits of my
signature when I start a thread by email, and understand if those posts are
deleted. I'd like to propose one addition, but first describe what I have
loved in the past about this group and miss now.

- We are a diverse bunch and I greatly value that. Rivendell as a company
attracts folks who approach many aspects of life differently from the main
stream, yet we are far from homogenous. I miss the off topic wanderings and
have learned a great deal from them.

- Off topic wanderings used to be a rare example of civil discourse. I miss
that, and believe the world misses that. We needn't agree to share the
journey, and I personally benefit greatly from sharing the journey with
folks who civilly disagree yet value each others human dignity in their
discourse.

Thus, in line with your questions "does this group matter?" and "is it
needed?," I propose a monthly or quarterly "Calm Colloquy for Summer 2020"
that allows for self moderated civil discourse on any and all topics with
the singular rule to strive to uphold all peoples' human dignity.

Such a thread would act as a pressure valve, a shining, though sometimes
muddy, example of what civil discourse is. It would not be a thread to vent
anger, but instead an invitation to process reactions into mindful thought
and humbly ask questions and express viewpoints in ... calm colloquy. It
would give a place folks could point to when off topic opinions sneak into
other threads as a more appropriate place to express them and humbly listen
and learn what others think.

The first post in each "Calm Colloquy" thread would contain the following:

"This thread is for calm, reasoned discussion of any and all topics with
the single rule of each person striving to uphold the dignity of every
other person to have a civil discourse of divergent thought, opinion, and
viewpoint. It is self-moderated, meaning there is no moderator and we are
each moderators. Please do not vent raw thoughts or reactions here, but
take time to calmly express your own viewpoint while simultaneously seeking
to understand other's perspectives even and especially when they differ
from your own."

Such a thread is easily ignored by those who do not wish to participate,
either by skipping it on the we interface, or by creating an email rule
filter for topics containing "calm colloquy."

One of the gifts of riding a bicycle is it gives time for processing events
of the day and thinking through how I should respond. This is, I believe,
an inherent aspect of human powered motion. It is a loss to not be able to
discuss this with a diverse group of people who share this activity.

I am happy to start such a thread, but only with your permission, Jim. This
would be an experiment to try for a month and discontinue if it fails.

With abandon,
Patrick

[RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread Jason Fuller

Dang, that is a beautiful new wheelset and a heck of a pair of bikes. The 
purple nipples with the touch of gold is precisely my plan. This motivates 
me to get my XO-1 sold, since that's what's primarily funding the new 
wheelset. 

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[RBW] Favorite Rivendell model names?

2020-06-07 Thread 'allenmichael' via RBW Owners Bunch

Simple One

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Re: [RBW] Re: Lightening up my Joe Appaloosa--a full makeover. AHH--a partial makeover. Thanks to Analog Cycles.

2020-06-07 Thread Roberta

Hi, Everyone.  I had to borrow a computer today to respond.   I can write 
more when I get home.  Such a lively discussion. I don't mind any civil 
discussions, because it's on this board that I've learned so much!

First, let me say, I don't mind a heavy bike, but for for a female my age 
(or any age, or a child), we need a bike that we can carry, lift, etc., so 
for me, it was a lightening project as well as a ride better project.  Mark 
and others with children, think of how important it is to get your son 
something he can handle, just because of his age/size/strength. I wanted to 
love this bike again as I did the first day I rode it.

Kai--sharing the rack and our conversation on the way to the East Coast Riv 
meetup was MY pleasure!  I was so glad to see your Roscoe Mixte in person.

Leah, Joe, Joyce, CME and Tim.  Thanks for your kind words.  I'm glad so 
many of us are happy with the new rims, dyno, GravelKings and tubeless. 
Perhaps we would have been happy with tubes, but I am happy today with the 
tubeless.   It's the sum of the parts.   Who knows, perhaps when I need new 
tires, I'll do tubes to compare.  Or not, if I stay flat free

Doug, I really like the 1x11.  I did check because (as Leah knows), my cast 
off parts from two weeks ago are still in my trunk--my old rear cogs were 
x9.  It's flat where I live and I'd usually just go up and down the cogs 
anyway, so this isn't much different for me.  If I'd need to shift the 
front, it was always a bit too much of a change.  When Candice handed me 
the new wheel, I thought this is light with the dyno!  Then, I realized 
that was the REAR wheel!  Someone kind here (was it you?  I cannot find the 
original emails) sent me pics of items he put in an XS saddle sack.  Then 
he put those items in the Banana Sax with additional items he could also 
fit,  and sent those pics.  It does hold enough more that it will be right 
right size bag for me.  I am putting together my list with weights and it 
might take a few day, but I can give you the official weight savings.  I'm 
guessing 5-6 pounds.  That along with the better tire is an ooh--lala 
ride!  Least expensive and easiest:  change the saddle and the bag, take 
off the rack and fenders (I didn't do the last two items, as I also need a 
practical bike.)

Patrick and Ted, such a spirited discussion!  No matter the  new tires with 
tubes or new tires with tubeless, the overall effect of the changes are 
suburb for me!  I had been considering selling the Appaloosa, but I loved 
the ride so much.  I'd rather have put the money into this bike than just 
get another.  It is the bike I would have built if I had known anything 
about bikes when I made my first purchase.  Even if James had recommended 
these items to me back then, being an less educated bike person, I probably 
would have declined.

Patrick, I'll get you the info on the kickstand later.  It is detachable 
and very lightweight, folds in half and was about $30.  There is another 
more popular one on Amazon and this isn't that one, as many people said 
that one sagged and suggested this one.  I traveled with the AHH, because I 
can take off the front wheel, turn it on it's side, glide it thru my trunk 
opening to the back seat (and that is over a hybrid battery "shelf"--not 
easy) .  I could never do that physically with my Appaloosa, even if I 
removed the fenders. 

Mark,  putting on tubeless was easy for me:  I just watched Candice do the 
work!   They had an IG session on how to do it and it probably comes down 
to "Candice (Mark and James) do it so much, they are exerts at it)"  I 
don't plan on changing the tires until they wear out.  That's my MO for 
tires.

Melanie--I am so glad that you are happy with your changes, too.  Once 
Covid is over, we should ride our Appaloosas together.

Erik, New 650B dyno wheel, that's exciting!  Since we live near each other, 
I'm looking forward to seeing it in person.

I hope everyone has a terrific biking day,
Roberta

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at 12:11:10 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Good to hear from #RivSister Melanie!
>
> I am sure none of of us would complain if you chose to indulge us with 
> photos of your new wheels on your Appaloosa. 朗
>
> I agree that the bikes feel very different after getting these new wheels. 
> I’m not going to “quibble” about tubeless, but what was promised was a 
> lighter, smoother ride with fun, colorful bits. And that’s exactly what I 
> got. Therefore, I’m calling Analog tubeless wheels a great choice for me.
>
> I just got back from another 10 miler, fighting winds the whole time and I 
> didn’t even much mind.
> Leah
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Melanie > 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Hi Roberta and all - I too have been "enlightened." Once Roberta said she 
> was going to go for it and lighten up her Appaloosa I got the courage to do 
> the same to mine. Analog built me some new wheels with Pacenti rims, Bitex 
> hubs, a SRAM 990

[RBW] Tubed versus tubeless

Melanie, we need pics, all the pics!

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[RBW] Tubed versus tubeless

To pacify the fussbudgets, please reply on this separate thread. I am very
interested in others' experiences.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 10:44 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> ... So, I would be very interested to have others chime in on the subject.
>

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