[RBW] Re: WTB: 62 Hillborne Canti -black

[LeRoy]

Abcyclehank has a frame/bb/etc if that would help:

https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/oMmx55CCmuI


On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:21:09 AM UTC-5 rusty miller wrote:

>
> Long shot, looking for a 62 Hillborne in Black. Preferably a Canti version.
>
> Got one for the wife a few years back and she loves it, always wanted one 
> too (and she wants to match!), but missed out on the black ones when they 
> were available, and the newest run went too quick.
>
> Let me know, 
>
> cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Nick in Sac]

To Jim M, what is the seat height on your Legolas? Lovely color.

On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 2:53:21 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> I have an 89 pbh and am 6' 1". My 59 Legolas fit great. You can see how 
> much seatpost I had showing here:
> [image: 6773347072_3155c76616_c.jpg]
>
> jim m
> walnut creek, ca
> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 11:52:02 AM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>
>> Thanks for getting back to me. I agree. 61 cm is preferred based on what 
>> I know about it. A really sweet bike.  
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 11:48 AM Eric G@rs  wrote:
>>
>>> Depends on how you like your bike to fit and whether you think GP's 
>>> sizing method works for you, I suppose. According to the Riv sizing method, 
>>> 61cm may be more appropriate for your PBH. My PBH is 85.5 and while the 
>>> standover is fine, the reach is a little too far for me.
>>> On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 7:32:23 AM UTC-8 Tirebiter ATX wrote:
>>>
 Hi
 Do you think the 59cm frame size is good fit for 89PBH?
 Thanks!

 On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:47 AM Eric G@rs  wrote:

> That is mine. It is listed at $1600 to cover the listing cost. Will 
> sell for $1400 + shipping to anyone here that is interested. 
>
> Eric
> Menlo Park
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 7:50:20 PM UTC-8 Jason D wrote:
>
>> A nice looking Roadeo frameset on eBay - 
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/353364415765
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 1:24:26 PM UTC-5 Matt Beecher wrote:
>>
>>> There is a 52cm Betty across the hall on the IBOB list.  I have no 
>>> affiliation with the seller.  
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Matt  in Oswego, IL
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Brian Oldham]

Hi.

52 frame size

Brian O

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 05:58 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
thesixtht...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Frame size?
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and enjoyed
>> it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as follows"
>>
>> generator hub and light
>>
>> better Shimano pedals
>>
>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>
>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>
>> The bicycle is in very good shape
>>
>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>
>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> San Carlos, Ca.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts

[Applegate]

Hello everyone,

Thank you, thank you, and thank you for the counsel and assistance. The 
last week's been a bit of a busy pitch, and I am sorry for leaving my end 
of the line dead when help was on the other end. My Riv hopeful  had indeed 
already done due diligence on that great North Smithfield Saluki, but it 
hadn't worked out at that stage.

I've messaged Brendan, and we're seeing if it'll all work out!


Thank you again for all guidance so far!

Alex Applegate
Berkeley, CA


On Tuesday, 2 February 2021 at 17:36:02 UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF wrote:

> Looks like it's actually closer to a 54cm by riv's chart.  
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 4:09:33 PM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a 56cm Saluki that I might part with. Frameset or built.
>>
>> Brendan in SF
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:18:52 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No difference that I can tell!
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
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>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  on 
>>> behalf of Robert Blunt 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:29 PM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts 
>>>  
>>> I had a 55 or 57 bleriot about ten years ago, and very stupidly sold it. 
>>> It was the best bike I have ever owned. Do the couplers affect ride 
>>> quality? Just curious. 
>>> Best,
>>> Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 4:23 PM Ryan Nute  wrote:
>>>
>>> The Bleriot is mine if anyone's interested.  I go back and forth about 
>>> keeping it.  Plus, I just got another Clem (thanks to Matthew's lead!). 
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:35 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>>
>>> I tried with the saluki in Smithfield. He/she is also selling a Heron 
>>> and seems only interested in selling both bikes for 4,000 dollars or you 
>>> have to show up in person with cash in hand. Seller suggested I take a 
>>> road trip! Might I suggest the Protovelo Bleriot with S couplers for sale 
>>> in Seattle? It has the same dimensions I believe as the Saluki in Smith 
>>> field and doesn't seem to require coordinating a space shuttle launch to 
>>> buy. I bought the 54 sam for sale yesterday. Good luck. 
>>> Best,
>>> Robert Blunt
>>> Pennington, NJ
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:21 AM Applegate  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Bunchpeople, 
>>>
>>> I'm here on a mission to help a friend find a 54cm Saluki—her dream 
>>> bike. I will state up front that I do recognize:
>>>
>>>- we're in search of bit of a rare bird
>>>- the AHH took over for the Saluki
>>>- one Robert Blunt, of Pennington, NJ seems to be in the final stage 
>>>of obtaining the only presently known Saluki listing (in the 54 spec, no 
>>>less)
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, I thought this group would be the best hope for tracking 
>>> down a solution. In the even that an appropriately sized Homer could take 
>>> its place, what do we think would be the likelihood of and the process for 
>>> acquiring Saluki decals and headbadge?
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance!
>>> Alex Applegate
>>> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] Wool bandanas?

[Shawn Granton]

Smartwool makes one:
https://www.smartwool.com/shop/merino-150-bandana-sw005504
Dimensions aren't listed (thank you, "One Size") but it looks to be 
standard bandana size.

I have a couple of Icebreaker merino bandanas I picked up several years ago 
at Sierra Trading Post. It doesn't look like Icebreaker makes 'em anymore, 
which is a shame. I really like mine.

Best,
Shawn

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 6:45:02 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, Curtis! It would be perfect if it wasn't printed with a logo. 
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 6:58:59 PM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This one may tick a few of your boxes.  I have no experience with this 
>> item.
>> https://www.woolsleepingbag.com/product/merino-bandana/
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:29 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone out there know of a maker or vendor of wool bandanas? I'm talking 
>>> about 20x20" squares of wool, similar to a standard cotton bandana. 
>>>
>>> Tom Bihn had something called the Shepherd's Wool Utility Cloth 
>>>  
>>> which came in some very nice colors and seemed perfect. Apparently more of 
>>> these coming in the spring. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Chris Birkenmaier]

What is the Charlie model?

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 5:52:14 AM UTC-5 Hugh Smitham wrote:

> Thanks Brother! Have since picked up a lightly used 2018 Atlantis.
>
> Hugh
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:
>
>> Hugh - i don’t onow how reliable it is, but will had a pic in one of the 
>> updates last year w the frame schedule. 
>>
>> Sky in new west 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wool Not-Too-Tights Rivendell Sells

[Chris Birkenmaier]

One of my favorite pants to wear around.  They actually look nice enough 
that I wear them out while running errands. I just hope no one thinks I’m 
wearing “long Johns!”

On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 6:28:49 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> This is brand Riv imports from the packaging.   Be your own importer if 
> you like. If not, not. https://ktena.com/shop/
>
> On Wednesday, January 27, 2021 at 12:21:13 AM UTC-5 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> I recently got a "pair?" of Smartwool  Men's Merino Sport Fleece Wind 
>> Tights|Smartwool® 
>> 
>>   
>> but I see they are made in Vietnam.
>> Nice though. I'm going to sew some 330d cordura on the butt so the wool 
>> does not get worn out from contact with the saddle.
>> Mike SLO CA
>>  
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 4:41:41 PM UTC-8 J Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of a U.S. source for the wool leggings Riv sells on their 
>>> site?
>>> I suspect they may be the only importer for that brand?
>>> They are currently out.  If anyone has a pair that are lightly worn and 
>>> not shrunk, I may be interested (size M)
>>> Thank you 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: On the subject of VO Bars

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I have the VO Klunker bars on my Roscoe Bubbe mountain Mixte.   Had it in 
to my local REI and one of the bike mechanics was from the Bay Area and was 
thrilled to see the bike.  (I’m in PA). He was saying how he never sees 
them out east but saw them frequently in Berkeley where he had worked at a 
shop.
As to the bars themselves, I really like them. I have Ergo grips so it’s a 
very comfy set up

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:21:47 AM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:

> Not that you asked for more endorsements but I put the VO Klunker on my 
> wife’s MB-4 and we both love it. Wide enough to wrangle the bike around, 
> nice comfortable sweep, room for accessories...
> Highly recommend this bar. 
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2021, at 08:03, Mark Roland  wrote:
>
> 
> Just an FYI, the VO Klunkers measure 700 from outside end to outside end. 
> Has some flare and return, not sure how much but nothing like a Bosco.
> 
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
>> handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
>> trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
>> Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
>> Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis 
>> feels cramped with swept backs.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Killer build Andrew
>>>
>>> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>>
 Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. 
 The Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top 
 tube 
 (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
 bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
 your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
 reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is 
 designed 
 to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
 stays, for the purpose of comfort. 

 On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald 
 wrote:

> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable 
> and 
> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
> Atlantis- no regrets.
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is 
>> the same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up 
>> some albatross bars to experiment.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 
>>>
>>> Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, 
>>> not to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher 
>>> terrain just to see what happens ;)
>>>
>>> I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
>>> handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down 
>>> more 
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> Jared in Santa Cruz
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 
>>> benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, my first post here!

 I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding 
 many descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I 
 expect?  
 How is the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single 
 track 
 and 50% gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip.  I 
 ride a 
 rigid MTB currently so the lack of front suspension won't be a shock 
 (get 
 it?), but still am looking to smooth out some of the bumps.  How is it 
 to 
 ride with swept back bars on technical single track? 

 Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!

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[RBW] Re: For those who like double top tubes AND mixtes...

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Love the artwork but those racks are distracting 

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:46:05 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Looks a lot like an old tradesman's work bicycle, more commonly seen with 
> the small front wheel (and level racks--something seems amiss there.) Some 
> would have had advertising signage attached to those tubes. I'm guessing 
> that's a good fifty pounds of bicycle right there. Not including the extra 
> top tube.
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:22:45 AM UTC-5 LeRoy wrote:
>
>> I was in a lighting store last weekend looking for the perfect pair of 
>> sconce lights. I came out with the lights and a new piece of wall art. For 
>> whatever reason(s), I just had to have it. The picture now graces my living 
>> room, above the couch.
>>
>> Is this some sort of ancestral, pre-Rivendellian concept? A precursor to 
>> many current trends? A possible indicator of the next great idea for a 
>> custom? Who knows? All 
>> I can say for sure is that those front and rear racks bother me just a 
>> bit because they depart so far from the dead level look we strive for today.
>>
>> LeRoy [Bob Sharp]
>>
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[RBW] Re: For those who like double top tubes AND mixtes...

[Mark Roland]

Looks a lot like an old tradesman's work bicycle, more commonly seen with 
the small front wheel (and level racks--something seems amiss there.) Some 
would have had advertising signage attached to those tubes. I'm guessing 
that's a good fifty pounds of bicycle right there. Not including the extra 
top tube.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:22:45 AM UTC-5 LeRoy wrote:

> I was in a lighting store last weekend looking for the perfect pair of 
> sconce lights. I came out with the lights and a new piece of wall art. For 
> whatever reason(s), I just had to have it. The picture now graces my living 
> room, above the couch.
>
> Is this some sort of ancestral, pre-Rivendellian concept? A precursor to 
> many current trends? A possible indicator of the next great idea for a 
> custom? Who knows? All 
> I can say for sure is that those front and rear racks bother me just a bit 
> because they depart so far from the dead level look we strive for today.
>
> LeRoy [Bob Sharp]
>

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Re: [RBW] Wool bandanas?

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Curtis! It would be perfect if it wasn't printed with a logo. 

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 6:58:59 PM UTC-5 Curtis wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This one may tick a few of your boxes.  I have no experience with this 
> item.
> https://www.woolsleepingbag.com/product/merino-bandana/
>
> Enjoy,
>
> Curtis
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:29 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Anyone out there know of a maker or vendor of wool bandanas? I'm talking 
>> about 20x20" squares of wool, similar to a standard cotton bandana. 
>>
>> Tom Bihn had something called the Shepherd's Wool Utility Cloth 
>>  
>> which came in some very nice colors and seemed perfect. Apparently more of 
>> these coming in the spring. 
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts

[Brendan Willard in SF]

Looks like it's actually closer to a 54cm by riv's chart.  

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 4:09:33 PM UTC-8 Brendan Willard in SF 
wrote:

> I have a 56cm Saluki that I might part with. Frameset or built.
>
> Brendan in SF
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:18:52 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>> No difference that I can tell!
>>
>> Ryan
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>> behalf of Robert Blunt 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:29 PM
>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts 
>>  
>> I had a 55 or 57 bleriot about ten years ago, and very stupidly sold it. 
>> It was the best bike I have ever owned. Do the couplers affect ride 
>> quality? Just curious. 
>> Best,
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 4:23 PM Ryan Nute  wrote:
>>
>> The Bleriot is mine if anyone's interested.  I go back and forth about 
>> keeping it.  Plus, I just got another Clem (thanks to Matthew's lead!). 
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:35 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>>
>> I tried with the saluki in Smithfield. He/she is also selling a Heron and 
>> seems only interested in selling both bikes for 4,000 dollars or you have 
>> to show up in person with cash in hand. Seller suggested I take a 
>> road trip! Might I suggest the Protovelo Bleriot with S couplers for sale 
>> in Seattle? It has the same dimensions I believe as the Saluki in Smith 
>> field and doesn't seem to require coordinating a space shuttle launch to 
>> buy. I bought the 54 sam for sale yesterday. Good luck. 
>> Best,
>> Robert Blunt
>> Pennington, NJ
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:21 AM Applegate  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Bunchpeople, 
>>
>> I'm here on a mission to help a friend find a 54cm Saluki—her dream bike. 
>> I will state up front that I do recognize:
>>
>>- we're in search of bit of a rare bird
>>- the AHH took over for the Saluki
>>- one Robert Blunt, of Pennington, NJ seems to be in the final stage 
>>of obtaining the only presently known Saluki listing (in the 54 spec, no 
>>less)
>>
>> Nonetheless, I thought this group would be the best hope for tracking 
>> down a solution. In the even that an appropriately sized Homer could take 
>> its place, what do we think would be the likelihood of and the process for 
>> acquiring Saluki decals and headbadge?
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>> Alex Applegate
>> Berkeley, CA
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[RBW] Re: Fender for Gus Boots Willsen

[Weston Hein]

Thanks for the info- I never knew those existed. The lack of wider rim 
brake rims is really what kept me from jumping on a Gus/Susie. But these 
look like a good option, nice work finding them!

So many great little details on this build!
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:20:40 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 4:53:07 PM UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:
>
>>
>> What rims are you running on the Susie? 
>>
>
> Weston,  good question.
>
> I used Nimbus Dominator II rims.  They're unicycle rims.  On paper they 
> sound heavy at 900g but, in hand, they feel remarkably light for something 
> so stout.  42mm wide, eyeletted,  beefy thick brake track but not the 
> machined version.  I decided to try Tubolito tubes which are really light 
> and thus offset any extra rim weight anyway.  In theory, you're not 
> supposed to use these tubes on rim-brake wheels because they could melt 
> during something like a prolonged brake-riding descent.  I was willing to 
> take a chance because I can't see myself using the bike in such a manner, 
> regularly if ever, and because I figured the larger tire volume and 
> aluminum rim mass would dissipate heat better than a typical too-narrow 
> rim.  And becasue I clearly don't like to do things the way they're meant 
> to be done.  I haven't put them to the test yet, but will open it up and 
> see if the tube is sticking to the rim after some riding next summer.  In 
> the meantime, I'll say that they are holding air way better than any 
> light-weight butyl tube or, especially, tubless setup ever has for me.
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks Will B and Will D. I have an older pair of the Lake winter shoes
(even older than the MXZ303, from looking at the pictures), and they're
quite warm I usually have to wear them only a few times each winter, but
when I need them, I'm glad I have them. I had a pair of later Lake winter
road boots, but didn't like those as much and sold them when I switched to
SPDs on my road bikes.

I know that the neoprene covers are an essential part of the protection
system, but I really would prefer a boot without them, with room for 2
pairs of wool socks, including an outer, heavier pair, and thickish uppers
and a sole with some tread. But then, I rarely have to ride in slush or
rain or sleet.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:50 PM Will Boericke  wrote:

> They are an older model of Shimano shoes.  The current version has some
> name like MW7.  Lightly insulated, gore-tex, with a neoprene collar.   The
> collar is the thing that's dying first - rest of the shoe is still going
> strong.  I wear them every day for my commute (October - April) + cold
> weather mtb and road duty in the shoulder season.  They are probably 1/2
> size larger than my Sidis: extra room for socks and happy warm feet.  The
> only downside (which I think is corrected in the newer model) is that the
> sole is just plastic.  I have done several headers in them, one notably in
> my backyard on ice under snow.  Luckily I was wearing my helmet.  Wish I
> had footage.
>
> When I replace them, I might spring for Lake's winter shoes.  I think they
> are the ne plus ultra of winter shoes.
>
> Will, keeping feet dry and riding in all temps.
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021, 12:42 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated winter
>> bike shoes?
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore, still hoping for some rideable snow this season, in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:39 AM Will Boericke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dedicated winter bike shoes have been the best money I've spent,
>>> bike-wise.  Gore-tex and 1/2 size bigger.  Did 2 hours on the mtb in 12
>>> degrees yesterday, no problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:08:14 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 A not-quite-on-topic, and in any case no longer attainable factor in
 cold weather warmth is youth. Back when I was in my 20s, youthful hot
 blood, to use another weird Victorian concept, kept me warm in cold
 weather. During my 5 years in La Ville de Kebek, I did my 4 miles of
 running outside in temps as low as -17*F (the high on the coldest day I
 ran; I went X-country skiiing at 20 below or lower), and my kit was
 poor-grad-student cheap: regular running shoes over thick wool socks from
 some sort of Eastern Canadian chain store, thin, cotton Kmart sweat pants,
 and cotton T shirt under cheap ditto cotton sweatshirt under high quality
 but very old anorak with peeling water barrier, plus acrylic scarf and
 *toque,* and cheap fleece-lined leather work gloves. I only ever felt
 cold on that -17* high day; on most days, I'd peel off scarf and open
 anorak zipper halfway through my 4 miles, running, not jogging.
 Interesting, I always felt more energetic on very cold days; I guess the
 body expends little energy in heat dissipation when it's well below
 freezing (temps when snow feels like dense styrofoam). My puny youthful
 moustache would be entirely encased in a chrysalis of ice (this was late
 '70s and early '80s).


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Re: [RBW] For those who like double top tubes AND mixtes...

[Ray Evans]

What a find! You just watch...someone is gonna get one of these made now
and we will all debate the best color to use.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:22 PM LeRoy  wrote:

> I was in a lighting store last weekend looking for the perfect pair of
> sconce lights. I came out with the lights and a new piece of wall art. For
> whatever reason(s), I just had to have it. The picture now graces my living
> room, above the couch.
>
> Is this some sort of ancestral, pre-Rivendellian concept? A precursor to
> many current trends? A possible indicator of the next great idea for a
> custom? Who knows? All
> I can say for sure is that those front and rear racks bother me just a bit
> because they depart so far from the dead level look we strive for today.
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts

[Brendan Willard in SF]

I have a 56cm Saluki that I might part with. Frameset or built.

Brendan in SF

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:18:52 PM UTC-8 rcn...@hotmail.com wrote:

> No difference that I can tell!
>
> Ryan
>
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> behalf of Robert Blunt 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2021 2:29 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] WTB: Saluki, 54cm or thereabouts 
>  
> I had a 55 or 57 bleriot about ten years ago, and very stupidly sold it. 
> It was the best bike I have ever owned. Do the couplers affect ride 
> quality? Just curious. 
> Best,
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 4:23 PM Ryan Nute  wrote:
>
> The Bleriot is mine if anyone's interested.  I go back and forth about 
> keeping it.  Plus, I just got another Clem (thanks to Matthew's lead!). 
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 4:23:35 AM UTC-8 Robert Blunt wrote:
>
> I tried with the saluki in Smithfield. He/she is also selling a Heron and 
> seems only interested in selling both bikes for 4,000 dollars or you have 
> to show up in person with cash in hand. Seller suggested I take a 
> road trip! Might I suggest the Protovelo Bleriot with S couplers for sale 
> in Seattle? It has the same dimensions I believe as the Saluki in Smith 
> field and doesn't seem to require coordinating a space shuttle launch to 
> buy. I bought the 54 sam for sale yesterday. Good luck. 
> Best,
> Robert Blunt
> Pennington, NJ
>
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 12:21 AM Applegate  wrote:
>
> Hello Bunchpeople, 
>
> I'm here on a mission to help a friend find a 54cm Saluki—her dream bike. 
> I will state up front that I do recognize:
>
>- we're in search of bit of a rare bird
>- the AHH took over for the Saluki
>- one Robert Blunt, of Pennington, NJ seems to be in the final stage 
>of obtaining the only presently known Saluki listing (in the 54 spec, no 
>less)
>
> Nonetheless, I thought this group would be the best hope for tracking down 
> a solution. In the even that an appropriately sized Homer could take its 
> place, what do we think would be the likelihood of and the process for 
> acquiring Saluki decals and headbadge?
>
> Thank you in advance!
> Alex Applegate
> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] Wool bandanas?

[Curtis McKenzie]

Hi,

This one may tick a few of your boxes.  I have no experience with this item.
https://www.woolsleepingbag.com/product/merino-bandana/

Enjoy,

Curtis

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:29 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Anyone out there know of a maker or vendor of wool bandanas? I'm talking
> about 20x20" squares of wool, similar to a standard cotton bandana.
>
> Tom Bihn had something called the Shepherd's Wool Utility Cloth
> 
> which came in some very nice colors and seemed perfect. Apparently more of
> these coming in the spring.
>
> Thanks for the help
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Mark Roland]

I guess I am either blessed or cursed with less sensitivity in these 
matters.  I tend to ride the same roads and trails 80 percent (or more) of 
the time, and over the years I've ridden them with lots of different bikes 
with lots of different geometries and setups.  I'm not sure exactly  what 
handling characteristic is under discussion, but on my normal single track 
trails, I don't notice a lack of bite from the front tire of the Susie. The 
Klunker bar does not overly entice one into aggressive riding, but I'll 
dive into a dirt turn at speed now and then, no problem. When going up a 
challenging hill, yup, the bike will wander a bit. In my experience, 
whatever the bike, unless you are practically hammering out of the saddle, 
you are going to experience some of that at 3-4mph on a sick dirt and rock 
grade.

The Susie per se is not designed to make you walk. If I were going to be 
going out into  the landscape aggressively, I could easily choose bars that 
would get me level with the saddle on my Large. If I wanted more 
aggression, I could put them on my Medium Clem L. I'm not sure it is 
terribly helpful to compare the Hillibike geometries to current offerings 
from the big boys.They share much more of a bloodline with my 1984 Trek 
830, able to traverse hill and dale, rock and road, with equal aplomb, but 
with the ability to also get more comfortable via high head tube and longer 
chainstays and small refinements in the geometry. And bigger wheels.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:35:50 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:28:41 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote wrote:
>
>> I haven't ridden a Gus or Suzie, but I have had a similar experience on 
>> more conventional MTBs. If I set the bars up high and back for ultimate 
>> comfort, there's not enough weight on the front tire to "bite" into the 
>> terrain, and handling suffers, IMO. If you're just tootling along, the sit 
>> up and beg position is fine, but if you're interested in riding technical 
>> trails or in an aggressive manner, you need a more aggressive position. 
>> Given Grant's philosophy that riders should get off and walk more, I think 
>> that is reflected in the Gus/Suzie design.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> ^^ Right!  However, on a normal mountain bike that's set up this way, you 
> end up doing wheelies while climbing, because the rear wheel is tucked 
> under your butt.   On Grant's long-chainstay bikes, you still have a chance 
> of riding it out.   
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[RBW] FS: Handlebars, cockpits, stems, tires, etc.

[Andrew Turner]

Time to purge! 
Here's  the photo album of all 
the stuff listed below. Prices include shipping CONUS

   1. *Salsa Cowbell handlebars 42cm: *Ridden once, just didn't like the 
   shape but I know a lot of people do! $40 
   
   2. *Rivendell cockpit: *Set includes Nitto Noodle handlebars (44cm), 
   Nitto tallux stem (26.0, 90mm), and vintage Shimano 105 brake levers still 
   in great shape. $95
   
   3. *Rene Herse Naches Pass Extralight tires: *These have a grand total 
   of 5 miles on them. I'm switching to Rat Trap Pass tires since I've got the 
   clearance to do so. $100
   
   4. *Jack Brown 33.333 Tires Green Label: *These probably have around 
   250-300 miles, but all the tread is still there so plenty of life left. No 
   flats or damage, just a little dirty. $70
   
   5. *Nitto Bosco CROMO 52CM X 25.4 (B353 CRMO): *Great shape, they've got 
   some gooey stuff left on the ends but otherwise have seen very very little 
   use. $50
   
   6. *New Cinelli CMX Unicanitor saddle: *I accidentally ordered 
   two...Cool saddle, surprisingly comfortable and it's all plastic so perfect 
   for a commuter. $30 
   
   7. *Nitto HiRiser, Threadless stem, 25.4 (CR61) 85mm: *I took a torch to 
   it to give it a pretty neat bluing look. Lot's of subtle hues in there but 
   mostly a gunmetal grey. $60


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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Sweater (M), SaddleSack (Lg), Trunk Sack and Tube Bar Bag

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Smythe Bar Tube bag is sold pending delivery/handoff in the East Bay on 
Thursday afternoon.

David
On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 12:29:26 AM UTC-8 Hetchins52 wrote:

> For Sale/or WTT for/toward one, or a pair, of Rene Herse Switchback Hill 
> 650x48 tires, regular or EL; Or, a nice 26.8 seat post.
>
> Rivendellish things for sale:
>
> *> The Rivendell Wool Sweater*, size Medium
>
> I’ve tried it on, but not worn it — It is too long, I’d need a small. I 
> got it from a list member in LA who decided it wouldn’t get much use there.
>
> From Grant’s Blahg #25 Aug 2 2019 about the sheep and wool:
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/aug?_pos=1&_sid=2e8c94d2b&_ss=r
>
> *Long-sleeved, crew neck, VERTICAL RIBS, olive-ish from afar. Clingy, 
> because of the VERTICAL RIBS. It will hug you, for better or worse, but the 
> VERTICAL RIBS are slimming! Longish body and sleeves. Super tidy, 
> non-slouchy looking.*
>
> *“ … a special, lighter weight knit they don't ordinarily do”*
>
> This size sold out by October 2020.
>
> It’s very nice but just doesn’t fit me.
>
> Listed for $130. *$90 net to me*
>
> > *Large Rivendell Saddlesack* in Olive green — Some links:
>
> Sackville SaddleSack Large - Tan 
> 
>
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20150214102338/http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bassl.htm
>
> Approximately 17.25" wide, 8.5" tall and 13" deep. Two zippered side 
> pockets and two zippered forward-facing pockets. 
>
> Includes removable, matching Kangaroo Pocket. (~10.75”w x 7” tall)
>
> From one of the old catalog web pages:
>
> *Capacity:*
>
> * Not bulged (imagine): 1700 cubic inches, or 27.8 liters (the British 
> way)*
>
> * Bulged but not ridiculous: 1984 cubic inches, or 32.5 liters*
>
> * The pocket adds about 50 cubic inches, or .82 liters*
>
> Very good to excellent condition. Some minor stains on left at top, slot 
> for tombstone was obviously used and some minor scuffs on the bottom
>
> $238 original retail. *$170 net to me*
>
> *> Rivendell “Nigel Smythe” rear TrunkSack* — Big Loafer
>
> In beautiful condition. Tan with brown leather trim and fitments. 
>
> Bought this used but then got one of the newer olive ones to match my 
> other bags.
>
> Details from one of the old catalog web pages:
>
> *Cubic inches: 396/ Liters: 6.5*
>
> *31.5cm/ 12.25" long*
>
> *15cm/ 6" wide*
>
> *16cm/ 6.25" tall*
>
> *$90 net to me*
>
> *> Rivendell “Nigel Smythe” round, “tube” handlebar bag* in olive green.
>
> Perfect except for one mark on one of the two strap patches where it was 
> attached to a handlebar when I brought it home from Walnut Creek. 
> Otherwise, unused.
>
> Dim: 12” wide x ~5.5” diameter
>
> Full length double zipper. Two brass loops to anchor to drop handlebars. 
>
> You can run shock cord (not included) from brass loops to the hoods on 
> drop bars to stabilize the bag.
>
> *$50 net to me*
>
> Photos of these things at: 
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0XGI9HKKGT5sc5
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Lipsky
>
> Berkeley, CA
>
> 510-451-2737 <(510)%20451-2737> (cell & txt)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[iamkeith]

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 12:28:41 PM UTC-7 Christopher Cote wrote:

> I haven't ridden a Gus or Suzie, but I have had a similar experience on 
> more conventional MTBs. If I set the bars up high and back for ultimate 
> comfort, there's not enough weight on the front tire to "bite" into the 
> terrain, and handling suffers, IMO. If you're just tootling along, the sit 
> up and beg position is fine, but if you're interested in riding technical 
> trails or in an aggressive manner, you need a more aggressive position. 
> Given Grant's philosophy that riders should get off and walk more, I think 
> that is reflected in the Gus/Suzie design.
>
> Chris
>

^^ Right!  However, on a normal mountain bike that's set up this way, you 
end up doing wheelies while climbing, because the rear wheel is tucked 
under your butt.   On Grant's long-chainstay bikes, you still have a chance 
of riding it out.   

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[RBW] Wool bandanas?

[Eric Marth]

Anyone out there know of a maker or vendor of wool bandanas? I'm talking 
about 20x20" squares of wool, similar to a standard cotton bandana. 

Tom Bihn had something called the Shepherd's Wool Utility Cloth 
 which 
came in some very nice colors and seemed perfect. Apparently more of these 
coming in the spring. 

Thanks for the help

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Christopher Cote]

I haven't ridden a Gus or Suzie, but I have had a similar experience on 
more conventional MTBs. If I set the bars up high and back for ultimate 
comfort, there's not enough weight on the front tire to "bite" into the 
terrain, and handling suffers, IMO. If you're just tootling along, the sit 
up and beg position is fine, but if you're interested in riding technical 
trails or in an aggressive manner, you need a more aggressive position. 
Given Grant's philosophy that riders should get off and walk more, I think 
that is reflected in the Gus/Suzie design.

Chris


On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 2:03:37 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> "Twitchy" often means different things (I'm guilty of using it to describe 
> multiple things myself) but, if Andrew means what I think he menas, then 
> "yes," I am experiencing it too.  Namely, I have to make constant small 
> steering corrections - especially at slow speed.   This isn't a flaw in the 
> bike though.  It just means I don't have the fit dialed-in yet.  I had to 
> solve this on my Clem, that my Susie replaced, and it took a half dozen 
> stem/bar combos to do so.  And maybe some saddle adjustment too.
>
> In a nutshell, I think the problem exists because there's not enough 
> weight on the bars to stabilize the steering - which is why I want to lower 
> them and push them away from me.   Part of the beauty of the long 
> chainstays though - if I understand it correctly - is that you don't need 
> NEARLY as much weight on the bars as you would with a traditional bike to 
> get that ballance correct. Which is why you CAN get away with a more 
> upright seating position.   
>
> However there's also the fact that the seat tube is WAY more slack than 
> current mountain bike vogue too.   This means that you can (and do) support 
> your upper body weight without relying on your hands and arms to do it, 
> even if your upper body is leaned forward.   So you don't really NEED as 
> upright of a position as you would on another bike, to get the weight off 
> of your hands.   
>
> So - between both things - I think it's just easy to get too much weight 
> off of the handlebars, which leads to "twitchy."   Nothing that can't be 
> solved with some experimentation and trial and error.   (My 2 cents, for 
> what it's worth.)
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> re: Andrew's comment that the steering is "light to the point of being 
>> twitchy"
>>
>> I'm curious if others have that experience.  I ride hands free all the 
>> time (again, XL frame + 10cm DirtDrop + choco bars) and find the bike to be 
>> supremely stable and not at all twitchy.  Basically, my question is, is 
>> twitchiness inherent in frame design, or is it affected by the build?
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Just an FYI, the VO Klunkers measure 700 from outside end to outside 
>>> end. Has some flare and return, not sure how much but nothing like a Bosco.
>>> [image: IMG_20201023_080135686(1).jpg][image: 
>>> IMG_20201023_080153725(2).jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>>
 Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of 
 the handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. 
 I'm 
 trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
 Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
 Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my 
 Atlantis 
 feels cramped with swept backs.

 On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Killer build Andrew
>
> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>
> Jared
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. 
>> The Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top 
>> tube 
>> (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
>> bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to 
>> spread 
>> your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order 
>> to 
>> reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is 
>> designed 
>> to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
>> stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
>>> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
>>> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable 
>>> and 
>>> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 

Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[iamkeith]

"Twitchy" often means different things (I'm guilty of using it to describe 
multiple things myself) but, if Andrew means what I think he menas, then 
"yes," I am experiencing it too.  Namely, I have to make constant small 
steering corrections - especially at slow speed.   This isn't a flaw in the 
bike though.  It just means I don't have the fit dialed-in yet.  I had to 
solve this on my Clem, that my Susie replaced, and it took a half dozen 
stem/bar combos to do so.  And maybe some saddle adjustment too.

In a nutshell, I think the problem exists because there's not enough weight 
on the bars to stabilize the steering - which is why I want to lower them 
and push them away from me.   Part of the beauty of the long chainstays 
though - if I understand it correctly - is that you don't need NEARLY as 
much weight on the bars as you would with a traditional bike to get that 
ballance correct. Which is why you CAN get away with a more upright seating 
position.   

However there's also the fact that the seat tube is WAY more slack than 
current mountain bike vogue too.   This means that you can (and do) support 
your upper body weight without relying on your hands and arms to do it, 
even if your upper body is leaned forward.   So you don't really NEED as 
upright of a position as you would on another bike, to get the weight off 
of your hands.   

So - between both things - I think it's just easy to get too much weight 
off of the handlebars, which leads to "twitchy."   Nothing that can't be 
solved with some experimentation and trial and error.   (My 2 cents, for 
what it's worth.)

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:07:50 AM UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> re: Andrew's comment that the steering is "light to the point of being 
> twitchy"
>
> I'm curious if others have that experience.  I ride hands free all the 
> time (again, XL frame + 10cm DirtDrop + choco bars) and find the bike to be 
> supremely stable and not at all twitchy.  Basically, my question is, is 
> twitchiness inherent in frame design, or is it affected by the build?
>
> paul
> takoma park, md.
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Just an FYI, the VO Klunkers measure 700 from outside end to outside end. 
>> Has some flare and return, not sure how much but nothing like a Bosco.
>> [image: IMG_20201023_080135686(1).jpg][image: 
>> IMG_20201023_080153725(2).jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>>
>>> Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
>>> handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
>>> trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
>>> Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
>>> Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis 
>>> feels cramped with swept backs.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Killer build Andrew

 We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any

 Jared

 On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:

> Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. 
> The Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top 
> tube 
> (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
> bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to 
> spread 
> your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
> reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is 
> designed 
> to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
> stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald 
> wrote:
>
>> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
>> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
>> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable 
>> and 
>> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
>> Atlantis- no regrets.
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is 
>>> the same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up 
>>> some albatross bars to experiment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 

 Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, 
 not to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher 
 terrain just to see what happens ;)

 I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the 

[RBW] All-Road Revolution book illustrator Miyoshi???

[greenteadrinkers]

Anyone know if the illustrator named "Miyoshi" has a online portfolio?

Thanks!
Scott

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Paul Richardson]

re: Andrew's comment that the steering is "light to the point of being 
twitchy"

I'm curious if others have that experience.  I ride hands free all the time 
(again, XL frame + 10cm DirtDrop + choco bars) and find the bike to be 
supremely stable and not at all twitchy.  Basically, my question is, is 
twitchiness inherent in frame design, or is it affected by the build?

paul
takoma park, md.
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 11:03:38 AM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Just an FYI, the VO Klunkers measure 700 from outside end to outside end. 
> Has some flare and return, not sure how much but nothing like a Bosco.
> [image: IMG_20201023_080135686(1).jpg][image: 
> IMG_20201023_080153725(2).jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>
>> Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
>> handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
>> trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
>> Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
>> Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis 
>> feels cramped with swept backs.
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Killer build Andrew
>>>
>>> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>>>
>>> Jared
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>>>
 Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. 
 The Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top 
 tube 
 (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
 bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
 your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
 reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is 
 designed 
 to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
 stays, for the purpose of comfort. 

 On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald 
 wrote:

> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable 
> and 
> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
> Atlantis- no regrets.
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is 
>> the same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up 
>> some albatross bars to experiment.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>
>>> Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 
>>>
>>> Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, 
>>> not to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher 
>>> terrain just to see what happens ;)
>>>
>>> I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
>>> handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down 
>>> more 
>>> miles.
>>>
>>> Jared in Santa Cruz
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 
>>> benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hi all, my first post here!

 I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding 
 many descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I 
 expect?  
 How is the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single 
 track 
 and 50% gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip.  I 
 ride a 
 rigid MTB currently so the lack of front suspension won't be a shock 
 (get 
 it?), but still am looking to smooth out some of the bumps.  How is it 
 to 
 ride with swept back bars on technical single track? 

 Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!

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Re: [RBW] Brand New 1" Tange Threaded Headset

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It’s yours! You can PayPal me at campyonly...@me.com 


Be sure to include a shipping address.

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> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:44 AM, David Hays <23writ...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ll take it Eric if available.
> David Hays 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 12:39 PM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Came with a bike as a spare part. Never used, still in the original 
>> wrapping. Made by Tange. Perfect complement to any Riv-ish bike with a 
>> standard quill stem.
>> 
>> $25 shipped in the CONUS.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Brand New 1" Tange Threaded Headset

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I’ll take it Eric if available.
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> Came with a bike as a spare part. Never used, still in the original wrapping. 
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> stem.
> 
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[RBW] FS: Brand New 1" Tange Threaded Headset

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Came with a bike as a spare part. Never used, still in the original wrapping. 
Made by Tange. Perfect complement to any Riv-ish bike with a standard quill 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Matthew Williams]

I'm glad to hear you're doing well and on the mend, and I'm wishing you a 
complete and speedy recovery. 




On Feb 2, 2021, at 8:52 AM, Litho  wrote:

> Thanks, everyone.  I ended up reaching out to a well established  local shop 
> I used before I started doing my own wrenching.  They were happy to take my 
> bike.  They said that they have done post-crash inspections for insurance 
> previously and know the drill.  They are also Riv-knowledgeable / friendly.  
> :)  Surgery this afternoon, rehab starting tomorrow, riding my bike somewhere 
> still in the future.  
> 
> Joe: I ride portions of the trail many times a week, for fun and as part of 
> my commute.  I've never had any problems other than too many users.  This 
> group of kids will not be out harassing / assaulting anyone any time soon.  
> NPD are on it!  I'll keep an eye out for a fellow Appaloosa-rider when I'm 
> back in the saddle.   
> 
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 7:30:40 AM UTC-8 jgs...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oh wow, I ride my Appaloosa on that trail at least 3 times a week. I’ve had a 
> few close calls with kids and distracted people, but never anything aggro 
> like that. Sorry to hear! If you need to ride an Appaloosa for a while, 
> you’re welcome to take mine for a spin. I’ve got a couple other bikes I’m 
> neglecting these days.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:29:46 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
> I'm glad you came out more or less OK. It sucks that you need surgery to 
> repair your body, and I hope that the injury is at least on a less important 
> finger on your non-dominant hand.
> 
> As for the bike, I'll just ask for a new bike if yours was in good shape 
> before the crash. The frame is probably OK, structurally, but new paint is 
> expensive. Also, I would change anything that appears damaged or affected by 
> the crash. Yes, even the rotated brake lever, and especially the handlebar 
> and maybe even stem. You can't be sure that a whack large enough to rotate a 
> brake lever and stem wouldn't cause invisible damage that may come back to 
> haunt you later. If the stem was tightened quite a bit, I'll even inspect the 
> fork, especially the steerer for any damage. Those rascals (or their parents) 
> basically owe you a bike in the exact same state as before the incident, 
> without any hidden damage, scratches, chips or dent.
> 
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:50:20 PM UTC-8 Litho wrote:
> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
> 
> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have surgery 
> this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my knuckle.
> 
> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front and 
> rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is slightly 
> bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous scratches, chips, 
> and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see any visible cracks 
> or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on the bars but doesn't 
> seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 degrees in the initial 
> impact but don't have any visible damage.  
> 
> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just be 
> cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just end up 
> with some glorious beausage and a good story.
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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Build

[Jason Fuller]

Those stems look pretty neat (especially in Ti!) but are definitely 
massively tall.  I have a 90mm Cigne that I'm only keeping in case I build 
a VO Neutrino in the future, because it has a pretty low stack height. That 
build is spectacular.  It would look super nice with a Simworks cromo stem 
also!  

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Pancake]

Size 52 according to another post by Brian. If it was a 45 I’d buy it for 
my partner today!


On Tuesday, 2 February 2021 at 05:58:26 UTC-8 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) 
wrote:

> Frame size?
>
> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, 
>> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and enjoyed 
>> it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as follows"
>>
>> generator hub and light
>>
>> better Shimano pedals
>>
>> better seat  Brooks B67S
>>
>> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>>
>> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>>
>> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>>
>> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>>
>> Brian Oldham
>> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>>
>> San Carlos, Ca. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Litho]

Thanks, everyone.  I ended up reaching out to a well established  local 
shop I used before I started doing my own wrenching.  They were happy to 
take my bike.  They said that they have done post-crash inspections for 
insurance previously and know the drill.  They are also Riv-knowledgeable / 
friendly.  :)  Surgery this afternoon, rehab starting tomorrow, riding my 
bike somewhere still in the future.  

Joe: I ride portions of the trail many times a week, for fun and as part of 
my commute.  I've never had any problems other than too many users.  This 
group of kids will not be out harassing / assaulting anyone any time soon. 
 NPD are on it!  I'll keep an eye out for a fellow Appaloosa-rider when I'm 
back in the saddle.   

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 7:30:40 AM UTC-8 jgs...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oh wow, I ride my Appaloosa on that trail at least 3 times a week. I’ve 
> had a few close calls with kids and distracted people, but never anything 
> aggro like that. Sorry to hear! If you need to ride an Appaloosa for a 
> while, you’re welcome to take mine for a spin. I’ve got a couple other 
> bikes I’m neglecting these days.
>
> Joe
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:29:46 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> I'm glad you came out more or less OK. It sucks that you need surgery to 
>> repair your body, and I hope that the injury is at least on a less 
>> important finger on your non-dominant hand.
>>
>> As for the bike, I'll just ask for a new bike if yours was in good shape 
>> before the crash. The frame is probably OK, structurally, but new paint is 
>> expensive. Also, I would change anything that appears damaged or affected 
>> by the crash. Yes, even the rotated brake lever, and especially the 
>> handlebar and maybe even stem. You can't be sure that a whack large enough 
>> to rotate a brake lever and stem wouldn't cause invisible damage that may 
>> come back to haunt you later. If the stem was tightened quite a bit, I'll 
>> even inspect the fork, especially the steerer for any damage. Those rascals 
>> (or their parents) basically owe you a bike in the exact same state as 
>> before the incident, without any hidden damage, scratches, chips or dent.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:50:20 PM UTC-8 Litho wrote:
>>
>>> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
>>>
>>> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
>>> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
>>> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
>>> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
>>> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
>>> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have 
>>> surgery this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my 
>>> knuckle. 
>>>
>>> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front 
>>> and rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is 
>>> slightly bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous 
>>> scratches, chips, and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see 
>>> any visible cracks or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on 
>>> the bars but doesn't seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 
>>> degrees in the initial impact but don't have any visible damage.  
>>>
>>> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just 
>>> be cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just 
>>> end up with some glorious beausage and a good story.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] On the subject of VO Bars

[luckyturnip]

Not that you asked for more endorsements but I put the VO Klunker on my wife’s 
MB-4 and we both love it. Wide enough to wrangle the bike around, nice 
comfortable sweep, room for accessories...
Highly recommend this bar. 


> On Feb 2, 2021, at 08:03, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Just an FYI, the VO Klunkers measure 700 from outside end to outside end. Has 
> some flare and return, not sure how much but nothing like a Bosco.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 9:37:42 AM UTC-5 Tim Baldwin wrote:
>> Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
>> handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
>> trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
>> Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or Billie. 
>> The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis feels 
>> cramped with swept backs.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Killer build Andrew
>>> 
>>> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>>> 
>>> Jared
>>> 
 On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
 Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. The 
 Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top tube 
 (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
 bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
 your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
 reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is 
 designed to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over 
 the rear stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
 
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has higher 
> bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider tires, 
> and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable and 
> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
> Atlantis- no regrets.
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>> How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is the 
>> same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up some 
>> albatross bars to experiment.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>> Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 
>>> 
>>> Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, not 
>>> to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher 
>>> terrain just to see what happens ;)
>>> 
>>> I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
>>> handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down 
>>> more miles.
>>> 
>>> Jared in Santa Cruz
>>> 
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 
> benjami...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all, my first post here!
> 
> I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding many 
> descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I expect?  
> How is the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single 
> track and 50% gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip. 
>  I ride a rigid MTB currently so the lack of front suspension won't 
> be a shock (get it?), but still am looking to smooth out some of the 
> bumps.  How is it to ride with swept back bars on technical single 
> track? 
> 
> Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!
 
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[RBW] Clem Smith H 59cm

[hm_w...@hotmail.com]

Like new, color "grilver". Features Nitto Losco vars and Nitto tallux stem, 
microshift shifters, Deore v brakes, two wheel sets (original stock wheels 
Alex DM24 to Deore hubs with the original 9 speed cassette AND Velocity 
Dyads to Shimano Deore hubs hand built by Rivendell wheel builder), silver 
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[RBW] Re: Crash Inspection Advice

[Joe Shoemaker Music]

Oh wow, I ride my Appaloosa on that trail at least 3 times a week. I’ve had 
a few close calls with kids and distracted people, but never anything aggro 
like that. Sorry to hear! If you need to ride an Appaloosa for a while, 
you’re welcome to take mine for a spin. I’ve got a couple other bikes I’m 
neglecting these days.

Joe

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:29:46 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> I'm glad you came out more or less OK. It sucks that you need surgery to 
> repair your body, and I hope that the injury is at least on a less 
> important finger on your non-dominant hand.
>
> As for the bike, I'll just ask for a new bike if yours was in good shape 
> before the crash. The frame is probably OK, structurally, but new paint is 
> expensive. Also, I would change anything that appears damaged or affected 
> by the crash. Yes, even the rotated brake lever, and especially the 
> handlebar and maybe even stem. You can't be sure that a whack large enough 
> to rotate a brake lever and stem wouldn't cause invisible damage that may 
> come back to haunt you later. If the stem was tightened quite a bit, I'll 
> even inspect the fork, especially the steerer for any damage. Those rascals 
> (or their parents) basically owe you a bike in the exact same state as 
> before the incident, without any hidden damage, scratches, chips or dent.
>
> On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 9:50:20 PM UTC-8 Litho wrote:
>
>> **Cross-posted from FB Riv Page**
>>
>> Hello All. Looking for a little expertise / advice on my Riv. I was in a 
>> collision on my Appaloosa last week. A group of kids on bikes deliberately 
>> rammed into me on a multi-use trail here in Napa. My handlebars took the 
>> brunt of the initial impact, but me and the bike went tumbling across the 
>> pavement and into the road that parallels the trail. Unfortunately my hand 
>> was on the brake lever at the time and was crushed in between. I have 
>> surgery this week to repair the fractures and rebuild the joint on my 
>> knuckle. 
>>
>> I'm trying to assess all of the damage for the police report. The front 
>> and rear derailers were bent and scraped, the rear derailer hanger is 
>> slightly bent, but should be easy to straighten. There are numerous 
>> scratches, chips, and a couple of small dents on the frame, but I don't see 
>> any visible cracks or deformations anywhere. The brake lever was rotated on 
>> the bars but doesn't seem to be broken. The stem and bars were knocked 90 
>> degrees in the initial impact but don't have any visible damage.  
>>
>> Anything you would recommend checking or inspecting? The damage may just 
>> be cosmetic, but I don't want to overlook anything. Hopefully, I'll just 
>> end up with some glorious beausage and a good story.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Tim Baldwin]

Yes more pictures please Andrew. I'd especially like another shot of the 
handlebars. Those are exactly what I've been dreaming about lately. I'm 
trying the Persuader bars on my Atlantis. After going that wide, the swept 
Riv bars seem so narrow. I'd love a wide version of the Albatross or 
Billie. The Susie seems like the perfect bike for those bars as my Atlantis 
feels cramped with swept backs.

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:42:30 AM UTC-6 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Killer build Andrew
>
> We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any
>
> Jared
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:
>
>> Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. The 
>> Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top tube 
>> (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
>> bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
>> your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
>> reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is designed 
>> to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
>> stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
>>
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>>
>>> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has 
>>> higher bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider 
>>> tires, and a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable and 
>>> confidence inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an 
>>> Atlantis- no regrets.
>>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
 How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is the 
 same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up some 
 albatross bars to experiment.

 On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:

> Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 
>
> Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, not 
> to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher terrain 
> just to see what happens ;)
>
> I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
> handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down 
> more 
> miles.
>
> Jared in Santa Cruz
>
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 benjami...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all, my first post here!
>>
>> I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding many 
>> descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I expect?  How 
>> is 
>> the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single track and 
>> 50% 
>> gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip.  I ride a rigid 
>> MTB 
>> currently so the lack of front suspension won't be a shock (get it?), 
>> but 
>> still am looking to smooth out some of the bumps.  How is it to ride 
>> with 
>> swept back bars on technical single track? 
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 59 Waterford/Riv Heron Touring, complete bike

[Ray]

No worries, Tom. I was hoping that we'd be close enough to allow a test 
ride. Unfortunately I'm still not confident enough in my size to take a 
gamble but best of luck with the sale! Someone is going to get a great ride.

Ray

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 11:22:31 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> HI, Ray; I should have included my location; I'll edit my post. I'm in 
> Miami in zip code 33155.  As I said, a while back I posted this bike for a 
> slightly higher price and there was no interest in it. Things change!  
> Well, I'll be happy if it goes to an appreciative new owner, and this is 
> the best place to find one.  Tom
>
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 11:36 AM Ray  wrote:
>
>> I have to agree with Chris. I was surprised you weren't asking more for 
>> it. It looks lovely, and I have been considering adding an honest touring 
>> bike to my stable (though I certainly don't need another bike). Do you mind 
>> if I ask where you are located? 
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:12:27 AM UTC-6 Tom Goodmann wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Chris;
>>>
>>> I appreciate you writing--guess I should be asking for more for this 
>>> bike!  I won't refuse a higher offer I've advertised it here before, and 
>>> there was no interest at that time.  I've really enjoyed it, but am trying 
>>> to clear out things in every category in life; I have a Sam (55 with the 
>>> double TT, but I wish it were the next size up that has since been 
>>> offered), a Legolas, and a Curt Goodrich prototype for the Saluki/650b (the 
>>> One Bike to Rule Them All). You're right, the Heron Touring does everything 
>>> well all day long; thanks for sharing that you fit 38s on it--very good to 
>>> know.  Well, if it doesn't sell, I will take it out on the road again, and 
>>> try it with a set of Barlow Pass tires!  Tom
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 10:51 AM Christopher Cote <
>>> christophe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I have that exact same bike, and even though I rarely ride on the road 
 any more, I wouldn't consider selling mine for twice that price! If you're 
 considering a Sam Hillborne, this is 98% a functional replacement for that 
 bike. Mine fits an honest 38mm tire, with the undimpled chainstays being 
 the choke point. A framebuilder or skilled amateur could easily dimple the 
 chainstays, and it would probably clear 40mm tires, maybe even 42mm.

 I also had a 58cm Heron Road that was a wonderful bike. I sold it to 
 finance an Rambouillet, which is also a wonderful bike, but I miss the 
 Heron Road!

 Chris

 On Sunday, January 31, 2021 at 6:28:20 PM UTC-5 Tom Goodmann wrote:

> I’m selling a silver (or pewter) Waterford Precision Cycles-made Heron 
> Touring bike in very good condition, including everything except pedals 
> and 
> saddle.  It offers a stable ride with OS downtube, taking up to a 35mm 
> tire.  I have used the bike as a commuter, and for an MS 150 fundraiser 
> (winning laughter from all the carbon fiber riders), as well as for 
> weekend 
> rides.  I’ve replaced the rear wheel bearing cartridges and 7-speed 
> cassette; the rims are Sun CR18s with 32mm Panaracer Pasela tires; 
> Suntour 
> front derailleur; Sachs Centura rear with Shimano bar-end shifters; 
> Sugino 
> crank (50/38/26); Shimano cantilever brakes with Suntour Cyclone brake 
> levers on Nitto Randonneur bars.  The frame is clean, with no dents or 
> dings; there are some paint touch-ups on rear stays (chain suck) and 
> underside from the previous owner; I rate its appearance at 8.5+.  Please 
> see the photo below; I have others to share on request.  I’ll pack with 
> care, and ship via BikeFlights to save costs for any potential buyer.  
> *$695 
> + shipping & insurance*
>
> There are web pages that give lots of information about this joint 
> project between Rivendell, Waterford, and Ted Durant or, later, Todd 
> Kuzma; 
> happy to share them via a PM.  
>
> I also have a NOS Heron Road frame and fork that I will post for sale; 
> the two would make a nice pair.[image: 
> 4E01C407-99C2-4D62-8C11-37A270D66C75.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith Jr. L for Sale

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Frame size?

On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 1:23:07 AM UTC-5 brianma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all, 
> for I bought a Clem Smith Jr. last September and have ridden and enjoyed 
> it but now it is time to sell.  This bike has been upgraded as follows"
>
> generator hub and light
>
> better Shimano pedals
>
> better seat  Brooks B67S
>
> rivendell handle bar treatment,  shellacked bar tape and cork grips
>
> The bicycle is in very good shape 
>
> I paid $1,600 for a complete bike and the upgrades added to the cost.
>
> Asking price is $1,500 or you have a different offer.
>
> Brian Oldham
> 916-712-1609 <(916)%20712-1609>
>
> San Carlos, Ca. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus Boots Willsen Build

[lconley]

The stem is too tall, and I believe that it is the raw finish - bought it a 
couple of years ago. It turns out that I had the seat adjusted for the bike 
stand clamp and not for me and once the seat was lowered properly, the 
handlebars are way up there - I am changing to a 6 degree 100mm stem - the 
large Gus has a tall headtube and I do not need the tall stem. I was at the 
top of the medium frame range and bottom of the large frame range so I went 
with the large so I could use 700C wheels and have the longer effective top 
tube because of my long torso.
I have several bikes with VO Cigne (LD) stems, basically on every 1-1/8" 
threadless headset bike that I have, except the Hubbuhubbuh, and yes the 
Hubbuhubbuh looks weird with that many spacers. I love the LD stems because 
I usually need the extra height on non-Riv frames and the LD stem is easier 
on my oversized belly when I am standing on the ground, off the seat and 
rubbing up against the stem when I start off. I bought the Crust Ti stem in 
a moment of weakness because it was in stock and I could. It will get 
swapped out for one of my others, probably on my Trek District. I will 
probably eventually put an LD stem on the Hubbuhubbuh, but I really like 
the threadless style Nitto Bullmoose that is on it. Probably end up with 
Jones bars or Nitto Wavies when I do. I am not a fan of bars with mostly 
parallel grip areas - Bosco, Albatross, etc.

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:12:09 PM UTC-5 Ed Fausto wrote:

> Hi Laing,
> That is definitely a very premium build.
> How do you find the Crust Ti LD stem? is this the raw finish?
>
> I am looking for ways to have my handlebar higher than my seat on my 51 
> Gus.
> Right now my steering tube is still uncut and using a 70m Nitto UI-21 stem 
> with Nitto Choco norm handlebar.
> The uncut steerer tube with lots of headset spaces does not look nice 
> which is why I am considering a similar stem as an alternative.
>
> Ed Fausto
> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 10:39:05 PM UTC+8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I am still bent forward a little, I may install narrower spacers and cut 
>> down the steering tube a little more (already cut about 3" off). I am not 
>> comfortable too upright - been riding drops for over 50 years. I have a 
>> long torso and short legs so I am still leaning over with bars considerably 
>> above the saddle - I like a long effective top tube. My Riv Custom is 
>> something like 54.5 ST, 63 TT with a 6 degree TT. Note that the majority of 
>> the grips are forward of the headtube. I am not comfortable on Boscos and 
>> Albatrosses.
>> I already had many of the parts except for the rims, spokes and tires 
>> from an abandoned Crust ScapeGoat fatbike build from a few years ago. The 
>> rear hub came from a set of Peter White wheels that were on my original 
>> Blue headtube Sam from 8 years ago.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 9:10:25 AM UTC-5 Jesse Stoddard wrote:
>>
>>> Man that is a seriously premium build. Regarding fit, are you pretty 
>>> upright on this? 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 8:14:02 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 Here is my Gus Boots Willsen build. Only have a few details left (water 
 bottles cages, bar tape on, remove the brake cable hanger - installed to 
 preserve space in case I want cantilevers), final trim of cable housing 
 and 
 soldering cable ends
 Frame - Large Gus Boots Willsen with IRD roller bearing headset
 Wheels - built by me - 700C
   Front - 40 spoke, bolt-on Phil Wood Hub, Velocity Cliffhanger rim - 
 black with machined sidewalls, Sapim double butted spokes - 4-cross
   Rear - 48 spoke, bolt-on Phil Wood Touring Hub - 9 speed, Velocity 
 Cliffhanger rim - black with machined sidewalls, Sapim double butted 
 spokes 
 - 4-cross
 Tires - Surly Extra-Terrestrial 29x2.5
 Drivetrain - 1x11
   Crank - White Industries M30 crank and bottom bracket, 32 tooth 
 chainring
   Cassette - 11 speed Shimano XT 12-46 (12 tooth first position cog 
 substituted for 11)
   Chain - Wipperman Connex 11 speed
   Rear Derailleur - SRAM GX 11 speed with SRAM trigger shifter
 Pedals - Speedplay Drillium
 Brakes - Shimano Deore V-brake
 Brake Levers - Shimano DXR MX70
 Brake Cables - Jaguar ultra-slick with Jaguar housings
 Seat post - Nitto S-83, 26.8
 Saddle - NOS Brooks B-68
 Stem - Crust Ti LD
 Handlebars - Jones Ti 660
 Grips - Jones
 Pump - Zefal HPX-3
 Kickstand - Pletscher
 Weight as pictured - 35.0 lbs

 [image: IMG_0013 (2).JPG]

 [image: IMG_0010 (2).JPG]

 Laing
 Delray Beach FL

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Widest tire fit on Homer Hilsen?

[scott minor]

My size 67 AHH fits Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass tires (700 x 44) just fine. 
 I did notice that after many miles the rear tire grew a little in size due 
to slightly higher PSI and greater load than the front, and became a 
tighter fit between the chain stays, so at that point I swapped the front 
and rear tires with each other and all good clearance-wise until they are 
worn out completely.   Currently running Hurricane Ridge 700 x 42 knobbies 
and really loving them.  The size and fit of 700 x 42 knobbies on the AHH 
really feels dialed in.  
On Tuesday, February 2, 2021 at 3:27:13 AM UTC+2 Ben Miller wrote:

> I had an early Waterford AHH size 65. It maxed out at 38x700c tyres. In 
> fact, I ended up parting ways with it because of that. I did really try to 
> get Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads to fit, but it wasn't even close. I think I 
> would have kept to if could have. 
>
> The problem was the seats stays weren't dimpled. So it might have just 
> been that particular frame, though I don't really know. I did inquire with 
> a frame builder about dimpling them, but was told it was too close to the 
> bridge that it would probably ruin the frames structural integrity. 
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 3:43:19 PM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I used to have a Waterford Homer.  Not sure of the year.   I ran 45c WTB 
>> Riddlers and 43c Bruce Gordon Rock n Roads.   Both sets: front and rear.   
>> Not sure you could fender those tires though.   Soma Cazadero in 42s are 
>> nice as well.   These tires all lean towards gravel/ dirt oriented.-Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Paul Richardson  wrote:
>>
>> I successfully ran 43mm GravelKing SK+, but only very briefly.  
>> Personally I like the bike best with 38mm Rene Herse or good ol' 33mm Jack 
>> Browns.  Mine's a 2011 Waterford.
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 5:02:58 PM UTC-5 Sean Cleary wrote:
>>
>>> Hey gang, what 700C tires above 40mm have you had success with on 
>>> previous generation (2013) A. Homer Hilsen? Confusing what exactly fits per 
>>> Rivbike. Have really enjoyed GravelKing Slick Plus 35mm on smooth gravel 
>>> and pavement but that's the max width in that non-knobby tread pattern. 
>>> Want to "*go to 11*"; thinking 42-45mm. Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] The joy of winter riding, and how do you keep your toes warm?

[ascpgh]

That's very similar to (and OTC) of the effect the rheumatologist mentioned 
to me. Will have to try. Seems very similar to some embrocades commonly 
used by racers facing less than optimal weather conditions.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 5:06:05 PM UTC-5 Robert Hakim wrote:

> An interesting tidbit that I just learned about today from a telemark 
> skiing forum:
>
> Capsaicin cream on your feet under socks. Theoretically the capsaicin will 
> help dilate blood vessels, increasing blood flow and warming those toes. 
> Maybe a bit of a 'warming' effect from the effects of the peppers 
> themselves too? 
>
> I haven't tried it yet, but I do love spicy things... 
>
> -Robert
>
> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 4:00:30 PM UTC-5 wboe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Will deR,
>>
>> Can you tell me about the fit of the Lakes?  I like to get a little big 
>> for a winter shoe, but not sure how their fit compares to normal bike 
>> shoes.  My Shimanos are 44, Sidis are 43.  I'm generally a solid 9 1/2, 
>> with average width feet.  Thanks!
>>
>> Other Will, near Boston
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM William deRosset  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >Will: Can you describe, or give make and model, of your dedicated 
>>> winter bike shoes?
>>>
>>> Dear Patrick,
>>>
>>> Not directed to me, and I have an answer:
>>>
>>> Assuming you use SPD pedals, I recommend Lake MXZ304s. Not inexpensive.
>>>
>>> I actually own the now-discontinued MXZ303, which differs very slightly 
>>> from the 304: they relocated the ratcheting dial closure to make it less 
>>> likely to be bumped a couple of years ago.  When new, they were overkill at 
>>> peri-freezing temperatures. Now, with time (I got them sometime around 
>>> 2012), heavy seasonal use, and my own advancing age/worsening Reynauds, I 
>>> use them starting around 40degF and will eventually get chilly feet below 
>>> about 12degF when otherwise properly outfitted. I use chemical warmers for 
>>> rides at or below about 10degF as a result. I wear a 46 wide and find 
>>> plenty of room for my (low-volume but pretty wide) forefoot and a pair of 
>>> thick ragg wool socks. 
>>>
>>>  Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Will
>>> William M. deRosset
>>> Fort Collins, CO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Frame schedule 2021

[Hugh Smitham]

Thanks Brother! Have since picked up a lightly used 2018 Atlantis.

Hugh

On Thursday, January 28, 2021 at 7:41:39 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:

> Hugh - i don’t onow how reliable it is, but will had a pic in one of the 
> updates last year w the frame schedule.
>
> Sky in new west
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Susie owners out there?

[Jared Wilson]

Killer build Andrew

We'd love to see some updated pictures if you've got any

Jared

On Monday, February 1, 2021 at 10:21:39 PM UTC-8 Andrew Stevens wrote:

> Sam, the MBs were 90s mtbs, more similar to an Atlantis than a Susie. The 
> Susie has a much more upright position, and a radically longer top tube 
> (70cm on the XL, with a 59cm seat tube.) The design of early mountain 
> bikes, and most race designed bikes regardless of generation, is to spread 
> your center of gravity more evenly between the hbars and seat in order to 
> reduce drag. None of these principles apply to the Susie, which is designed 
> to have most of the weight on the saddle, further back and over the rear 
> stays, for the purpose of comfort. 
>
> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 4:19:10 PM UTC-6 Clark Fitzgerald wrote:
>
>> Sam- The Susie is completely different from a stock MB2. Susie has higher 
>> bars for a more upright position centered over your feet, wider tires, and 
>> a longer wheelbase. I found the Susie much more comfortable and confidence 
>> inspiring on rough terrain. I sold my 1992 MB2 and bought an Atlantis- no 
>> regrets.
>> On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 7:16:36 AM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:
>>
>>> How does the susie compare to an mb2 I have an mb1 and assume it is the 
>>> same geometry. Had to use a short stem for drips and just picked up some 
>>> albatross bars to experiment.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:24 PM Jared Wilson  wrote:
>>>
 Got mine set up a couple weeks back with Tumbleweed Persuader bars. 

 Bike is looonnnggg, but still feels nimble enough on single track, not 
 to mention smooth! I find she likes to self steer towards rougher terrain 
 just to see what happens ;)

 I came from a Bridgestone MB2 and I'm very happy with how the Susie 
 handles in comparison, I'm left wanting nothing more than to put down more 
 miles.

 Jared in Santa Cruz

 On Tuesday, January 26, 2021 at 10:55:10 AM UTC-8 benjami...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi all, my first post here!
>
> I am close to pulling the trigger on a Susie, but am not finding many 
> descriptions of how it rides, handles, etc.  What should I expect?  How 
> is 
> the acceleration?  I am looking for something for 50% single track and 
> 50% 
> gravel roads, and an occasional short bikepacking trip.  I ride a rigid 
> MTB 
> currently so the lack of front suspension won't be a shock (get it?), but 
> still am looking to smooth out some of the bumps.  How is it to ride with 
> swept back bars on technical single track? 
>
> Thanks a lot for the thoughts!!
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